Wow man thats rough...
They hated P Ducky's old mn so much the formed aliances ith his children...
the first thing that jumped into my head was "wooo!! PLOT!" and then ground gears into a more serious nature.
That's pretty nasty "here's his child, (who knows nothing of what's going on) to do with whatever you see fit."
Now *that's* revenge. I'm kind of surprised they didn't just kill the kids outright. Kind of like the Familicide spell used here, I suppose: http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0639.html (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0639.html)
But then we wouldn't have Pyroduck, and that would be sad.
Also, shiny new character profiles! Finally, Fa'Lina's cast page can be mentioned without fear of bannage!
Also, dull wings, black clothing and drapery... emo Fa'Lina?
Randomly Shadowed Cubi:Here is your order of one baby Dragon Fa'Lina
Fa'Lina:SQUEEEE! He's so Cute. I'm gonna keep him and raise him!
RSC:WTF?!?!
Edit:Just noticed how Fa'Lina looks. And while that wouldn't have been her reaction then... knowing how she is now, that is how she would possibly normally react.
Sooooooo, He was a 'gift' to Fa'lina? So, apparently, instead of her finding him, someone GAVE him to her. He must of been the lucky one out of all his brothers and sisters, huh?
Quote from: Techcubi on December 26, 2009, 12:03:11 AM
Sooooooo, He was a 'gift' to Fa'lina? So, apparently, instead of her finding him, someone GAVE him to her. He must of been the lucky one out of all his brothers and sisters, huh?
Now that you mention it, more than likely. And any that are alive but through less than pleasant circumstances, if they ever find out about him, I would be worried
Hey, how does one link strips on the Wiku wiki?
Edit: Eh, nvm. Someone can just fix the link that I managed to screw up on Pyroduck's page.
Quote from: Psaakyrn on December 25, 2009, 11:59:47 PM
Also, dull wings, black clothing and drapery... emo Fa'Lina?
Probably. Her entire clan *did* get wiped out recently.
Hey Fa'lina and Pyro have the same color eyes. Fancy that.
Edit: Wait, does Mab know Pyro is a dragon? Can demi god like creatures interfere in the future sight seeing of other demi god like creatures? Can pyro be an unforeseen force that can save the 2 that would die from their demise? Will cheese ever be made into a drinkable form that can be sold to the masses? So many questions, so little an attention span. Wait, what am I doing here when i could be mining Kernite in Amarr space!? Gotta fly! *insert zoom noise here*
On a sidenote on Ambers commentary that goes with todays comic, Even the bigwigs in comic production do it. I mean, just look at Spiderman and his surroundings, I think everyone, and I mean EVERYONE, including his aunt may and his wife, has at some point been either a superhero, or a supervillain (or both), with a tragic/unusual background (or both).
Cheer up girl, it happens to even the best when running long stories.
But it's also part of what makes the story universe to interesting in the long run. :)
Talk about a perfect revenge. Fi'Lana raises a dragon as her son, the child of the dragon who wiped out her clan in essence added an unexpected member to the Fi'Lana clan... who happens to be a dragon.
Imagine changing those diapers and baby's first fire breathing.
Quote from: Madmann135 on December 26, 2009, 01:54:07 AM
...the child of the dragon who wiped out her clan in essence...
...Did I miss something, or are you just speculating? :confused
Unless I'm off, all we know is that Pyroduck's father did -something- to hurt Fa'Lina, but we don't know exactly what it was yet...
Jyrras's parents aren't pyscho? :erk
Well, I guess his sisters take care of that....
I am glad to know some of Pyroduck's backstory--although I wonder what else we might find out....
Elegant Fa'Lina appears elegant. And much different without her normal blaring pink.
Groundless Speculation: If we are to draw more conclusions from Fa'Lina's current look than she liked slate-colored drapes and darker clothing at one point, her current image is, perhaps, Pyroduck's doing. I shall go ahead and hazard without any possible backing that her outfit here reflects her state of mind after losing her entire clan. Pyroduck, a child given to her that she could not have herself, might have brought her out of the funk she appears here be in.
Quote from: Arcblade on December 26, 2009, 12:30:56 AM
Quote from: Psaakyrn on December 25, 2009, 11:59:47 PM
Also, dull wings, black clothing and drapery... emo Fa'Lina?
Probably. Her entire clan *did* get wiped out recently.
Yeah, definitely going to go with the "in mourning" theory, along with the "Pyroduck's dad is the jerk who trashed most of her clan" theory.
@Cogidubnus: Considering how she reacted to the thought of grandchildren (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_730.php) via Ducky.... XD I'd say supposing Ducky himself was responsible for getting her cheerful and pink again isn't too bad a guess.
Hmmm. Re-reading the old stuff, I notice that Pyroduck has a pink feather in his braid here (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_235.php). Which could be significant.
Or he could just have a feather fetish.
Quote from: Arcblade on December 25, 2009, 11:49:52 PM
Also, shiny new character profiles! Finally, Fa'Lina's cast page can be mentioned without fear of bannage!
Yay! Fa'Lina's been outed! No more secrets for her!
... err, that sounded better in my head.
Wow.
If I understand correctly, Pyroduck is ancient. As ancient as SAIA. I thought he would be relatively young.
Line of reasoning:
- Fa'Lina's clan was wiped out during the dragon-cubi wars.
- Pyroduck was given "during the dragon-cubi wars".
- After her clan was destroyed, Fa'Lina vanished only to return later to found SAIA.
Speculation:
Fa'Lina vanished to raise Pyroduck in quiet.
Quote from: Dard on December 26, 2009, 04:13:57 AM
Wow.
If I understand correctly, Pyroduck is ancient. As ancient as SAIA. I thought he would be relatively young.
He's less than ten thousand years old, so for a Dragon, he's very, very young >:3
...aaaaargh.
Is P.D's father is still around do you think he will try and reclaim him at some point?
Quote from: Techcubi on December 26, 2009, 12:12:26 AM
Hey, how does one link strips on the Wiku wiki?
Edit: Eh, nvm. Someone can just fix the link that I managed to screw up on Pyroduck's page.
{{strip|<stripnumber>}} - so, in this case, {{strip|1070}}, which Kasarn kindly edited for you. He missed the typo in the clan name, though. Please watch for things like that - names are especially tricky, so we like to pay attention to getting them right...
Quote from: techmaster-glitch on December 26, 2009, 02:12:09 AM
Quote from: Madmann135 on December 26, 2009, 01:54:07 AM
...the child of the dragon who wiped out her clan in essence...
...Did I miss something, or are you just speculating? :confused
Unless I'm off, all we know is that Pyroduck's father did -something- to hurt Fa'Lina, but we don't know exactly what it was yet...
I'm pretty sure we don't know who wiped out Fa'Lina's clan. But I was of the impression that another Cubi clan did it... as per Aniz' too-loose tongue, panicked reaction, and Fa'Lina's ultimatum bit in Abel's Story 15-17.
Quote from: Arcblade on December 26, 2009, 07:49:13 AM
I'm pretty sure we don't know who wiped out Fa'Lina's clan. But I was of the impression that another Cubi clan did it... as per Aniz' too-loose tongue, panicked reaction, and Fa'Lina's ultimatum bit in Abel's Story 15-17.
Difficult to say. I would not be surprised - if it was done by a rival clan - if a Dragon faction had instigated it somehow, or egged the other clan on. However, given the sorry state of Siar clan, I wouldn't be shocked if it turned out that Dragons were directly responsible.
And thus starts Pyroduck's story to Alexi. Hope he gets it all in by the time the salad comes ...
Quote from: Cogidubnus on December 26, 2009, 02:44:45 AM
Elegant Fa'Lina appears elegant. And much different without her normal blaring pink.
Groundless Speculation: If we are to draw more conclusions from Fa'Lina's current look than she liked slate-colored drapes and darker clothing at one point, her current image is, perhaps, Pyroduck's doing. I shall go ahead and hazard without any possible backing that her outfit here reflects her state of mind after losing her entire clan. Pyroduck, a child given to her that she could not have herself, might have brought her out of the funk she appears here be in.
:
Quote from: kaskar on December 26, 2009, 07:54:51 AM
And thus starts Pyroduck's story to Alexi. Hope he gets it all in by the time the salad comes ...
You mean the main cours. heh :giggle
On Fa lina cast page
What? Fa'lina's favorite food is muffin, Is ain't ? We don't know what emotion is her favorite...but She like muffins... :mowcookie PBH
On a first date, Pyro is brave to be coming clean with Alexsi. Let's hope Dan is as understanding as Alexsi.
but Dan has his own worries with the other sex.
PBH
Quote from: Tapewolf on December 26, 2009, 07:53:31 AM
Quote from: Arcblade on December 26, 2009, 07:49:13 AM
I'm pretty sure we don't know who wiped out Fa'Lina's clan. But I was of the impression that another Cubi clan did it... as per Aniz' too-loose tongue, panicked reaction, and Fa'Lina's ultimatum bit in Abel's Story 15-17.
Difficult to say. I would not be surprised - if it was done by a rival clan - if a Dragon faction had instigated it somehow, or egged the other clan on. However, given the sorry state of Siar clan, I wouldn't be shocked if it turned out that Dragons were directly responsible.
The other way around is easily possible, that Sair clan somehow instigated a mega dragon to go trashing Fa'Lina's clan, or sold out her defenses or somesuch.
...I really want to call Pyroduck's dad "Pyrodaddy." (Also, does this mean Fa'Lina named Pyroduck? I've always wondered about that name.) and is it just me or do the bangs on the Evil Mysterious Cubi make it look like she(?) is wall-eyed?
Yay! Finally we find out about P-Ducky's Story! Unless Amber fades to black... urk.. :U
Quote from: Tapewolf on December 26, 2009, 04:53:42 AM
Quote from: Dard on December 26, 2009, 04:13:57 AM
Wow.
If I understand correctly, Pyroduck is ancient. As ancient as SAIA. I thought he would be relatively young.
He's less than ten thousand years old, so for a Dragon, he's very, very young >:3
I have a feeling somebody's robbing the cradle here, I'm just not sure who.
:baby
Quote from: OminousShadow on December 26, 2009, 12:00:04 AM
Edit:Just noticed how Fa'Lina looks. And while that wouldn't have been her reaction then... knowing how she is now, that is how she would possibly normally react.
She looks like she's in mourning... I wonder if she knew one of PD's father's victims...
:twist
Quote from: Psaakyrn on December 25, 2009, 11:59:47 PM
Also, dull wings, black clothing and drapery... emo Fa'Lina?
I was more thinking mourning Fa'lina.
Quote from: Crawlwyvern on December 26, 2009, 11:18:05 AM
Quote from: OminousShadow on December 26, 2009, 12:00:04 AM
Edit:Just noticed how Fa'Lina looks. And while that wouldn't have been her reaction then... knowing how she is now, that is how she would possibly normally react.
She looks like she's in mourning... I wonder if she knew one of PD's father's victims...
Blargh! You beat me to it!
But I was more thinking of mourning her entire clan.
Wow, Fa'Lina looks so...young and vulnerable in the last panel. The lack of "blaring pink" and that she's not wearing lipstick probably helps, but...wow. Wow. Wow. That panel really makes me need to hug Fa'lina (though I think it'd be better not to.)
Also, I'm getting serious Cheshire cat vibes from that Dimanika 'Cubus XD
I'm amazed no one has said this yet..... *cough*
More baby P-Ducky pls. •w•
He's cyute.
Pyroduck calling Fa'lina ...... mom..
Quote from: MT Hazard on December 26, 2009, 07:06:58 AM
Is P.D's father is still around do you think he will try and reclaim him at some point?
Notice Pyro's careful (after one slip) use of the past tense. I think he might be a Norwegian Blue dragon.
Oh wow, am I the only one in this thread who doesn't feel sympathetic for the Dimanika Clan at all? They're practically killing babies.
eeeeeugh *shudder* I love the story-telling, but my squick-button has been pushed.
Okay, back to sleeping like a rock.
Edit: But I love these developments with Pyroduck's backstory, I forgot to mention. And by love, I mean really, really, really love.
Edit 2: You're welcome, Mel. c:
Wow, we've made it to page two of the discussion without anyone pointing out that it is a baby on a plate. I know the general opinion of the forum is that cubi are perfect but is no one else is appalled by this? Even if it's symbolic the symbolism is incredibly mentally sick.
Edit: Thanks Keaton, for proving that not every forumite is cubi-blind.
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on December 26, 2009, 08:18:15 PM
Oh wow, am I the only one in this thread who doesn't feel sympathetic for the Dimanika Clan at all? They're practically killing babies.
eeeeeugh *shudder* I love the story-telling, but my squick-button has been pushed.
Okay, back to sleeping like a rock.
The problem is that it's not just cubi, the dragons also does it (http://missmab.com/Comics/Ab_056.php) too (the whole genocide aspect).
Quote from: Psaakyrn on December 26, 2009, 08:28:33 PM
The problem is that it's not just cubi, the dragons also does it (http://missmab.com/Comics/Ab_056.php) too (the whole genocide aspect).
I don't see how this makes anything better. It explains why the clan did it, but it doesn't make the fact they were sending (Dragon) babies to their deaths acceptable.
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on December 26, 2009, 08:42:28 PM
Quote from: Psaakyrn on December 26, 2009, 08:28:33 PM
The problem is that it's not just cubi, the dragons also does it (http://missmab.com/Comics/Ab_056.php) too (the whole genocide aspect).
I don't see how this makes anything better. It explains why the clan did it, but it doesn't make the fact they were sending (Dragon) babies to their deaths acceptable.
Well, what better way to make a father suffer, than to allow his enemies to do whatever they please with the father's kids?
Quote from: Techcubi on December 26, 2009, 08:51:08 PM
Well, what better way to make a father suffer, than to allow his enemies to do whatever they please with the father's kids?
That makes me feel worse, actually. D: AAAAAAAH.
I'm gonna have nightmares tonight. :< GOOD NIGHT FORUM *sleeping sound!*
Quote from: Mel Dragonkitty on December 26, 2009, 08:23:51 PM
Wow, we've made it to page two of the discussion without anyone pointing out that it is a baby on a plate. I know the general opinion of the forum is that cubi are perfect but is no one else is appalled by this? Even if it's symbolic the symbolism is incredibly mentally sick.
Edit: Thanks Keaton, for proving that not every forumite is cubi-blind.
I suspect, Mel, that the intent of the message isn't really that they wanted Fa'Lina to eat the baby, but rather that they were delivering the dragon's child on a literal silver platter. As well, at least in -this- case, I don't think it's so much that people think Cubi are perfect, so much that they think that Cubi in general are simply made up of individuals, just like dragons are - and that while there are good ones and bad ones, and there are even ones that kidnap children - and there are ones like Fa'Lina, who seems like a fairly selfless person from what we've been able to observe. Indeed, she raised the baby as her own son.
While they are offering the baby on a utensil generally reserved for food, I don't think they were expressly expecting her to actually eat the baby, and I don't think that was the message that was intended to be conveyed, either. "On a silver platter" is a well-known metaphor for delivering something entirely at the leisure and wish of another person. This would match the stated intent of the baby-stealing Cubi, that of stealing the dragon's children and delivering them to those whom he'd wronged, much more than then them being a baby take-out place, I think.
Fact: Amber mad this storyline up just to spite babies (and the people who love them).
It's true I swear!
But at least Pyroduck makes an especially cute dinner/present! >:3
The message was still that the baby is a consumable product, even if a cubi of her level doesn't actually chew up and digest it. I'm sure their intention was that she "consume" it in the cubi manner.
And my point was that there is such forum blindness to cubi evil that the discussion was "OMG! Falina forgot her lipstick!" instead of "OMG! They are killing infants!"
Quote from: Mel Dragonkitty on December 26, 2009, 09:19:44 PM
And my point was that there is such forum blindness to cubi evil that the discussion was "OMG! Falina forgot her lipstick!" instead of "OMG! They are killing infants!"
Welcome to the Internet! I'd say be careful around the deep end, but we had that filled in last month. The shallow end is just as good though...
But seriously, maybe no one wanted to focus on the horrible thought of babies being slaughtered/eaten/soul-sucked? (All of which would lead to the same conclusion now that I think of it.)
Or maybe some of us just plain don't like babies! :U
Sorry, I can't find myself to get into the horror of an innocent babe on a silver platter when I can't un-see this face...
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k295/lucheek/Woahface.png)
Quote from: Mel Dragonkitty on December 26, 2009, 09:19:44 PM
The message was still that the baby is a consumable product, even if a cubi of her level doesn't actually chew up and digest it. I'm sure their intention was that she "consume" it in the cubi manner.
And my point was that there is such forum blindness to cubi evil that the discussion was "OMG! Falina forgot her lipstick!" instead of "OMG! They are killing infants!"
I agree. I'm sure the intent of their gift was that, if she wished, she could kill the baby. This is, without question, a terrible thing.
However, we knew the end of this story, already. Fa'Lina takes the child and raises it as her own - a happy ending. And, seeing characters that we know, and have a connection to, we tend to focus on them. This is human nature.
Now, it may be true that we haven't really paid very much attention to the fact that there were -other- siblings, and that what these Cubi are doing is despicable - but, then again, I can easily see why. These unknown children of an unknown evil dragon are entirely abstract, and difficult to form an attachment to. I don't approve of what this clan has done, just as I don't approve of what the dragon did in the first place. While nothing can justify what the Cubi did, I suspect that the dragon himself (or herself) also did unjustifiable things. They don't cancel out, but then, and I do not mean to sound callous, it still makes it harder to get worked up over. This isn't right, but this tends to be human nature as well.
I hardly think that the people here are so pro-cubi that they approve of stealing and eating babies. That's absurd - no one approves of such things. That they took more notice of those people and those characters which they know, and which are featured in this comic, isn't surprising to me. Silence on the issue of the other siblings doesn't imply approval of what happens to them. They made not have made an issue of saying it, but then, it's something that goes without saying. I seldom have to express my feelings that rape is bad, because that generally goes without saying in today's society. Baby-eating and stealing would be thesame
This doesn't mean that it is necessary that "rape is bad" or suchlike to go without saying, or that it shouldn't be expressed - If I am offensive I apologize. I merely wish to express the opinion that, unless otherwise stated, you can expect your average citizen to agree that rape is, indeed, bad.
I will admit that this forum does like it's Cubi, but that's who the comic features. It's not entirely surprising, given the fact that we know more about Cubi than about any of the other races, except perhaps beings. :B
First off, Fa'lina can definitely pull black off. She can probably make any color look good.
I do not approve of baby eating/soul-stealing either, but as Cogidubnus said, it's hard to get worked up over abstract background babies. I, like Cogidubnus, believe that the general concept was presenting the infants on a literal silver platter, not as a way of convincing their recipients to perform unspeakable deeds on the infants.
Heck, how do we know that the recipients of Pyroduck's other siblings did not also raise them, and turn them into assassins to murder their own mother/father as an act of vengence? Now that would be pretty sweet. 8)
I certainly do not approve of what the Dimanika (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1070.php) or the Que'tnar (http://missmab.com/Comics/Ab_007.php) clans are doing, but at least Pyroduck ended up okay in the end, and that's what truly matters.
Quote from: ChaosMageX on December 26, 2009, 10:53:46 PM
First off, Fa'lina can definitely pull black off. She can probably make any color look good.
Orange. The thought of it makes my eyes hurt
Quote from: Lego3400 on December 26, 2009, 11:05:30 PM
Quote from: ChaosMageX on December 26, 2009, 10:53:46 PM
First off, Fa'lina can definitely pull black off. She can probably make any color look good.
Orange. The thought of it makes my eyes hurt
Hmmm, orange, pink, and white...for some strange reason that has me thinking of a parfait of some sort.
In other words, Fa'lina could probably pull orange off, but she'd look like a giant walking parfait in the process.
Quote from: Jasonrevall on December 26, 2009, 12:37:59 AM
Hey Fa'lina and Pyro have the same color eyes. Fancy that.
Edit: Wait, does Mab know Pyro is a dragon? Can demi god like creatures interfere in the future sight seeing of other demi god like creatures? Can pyro be an unforeseen force that can save the 2 that would die from their demise? Will cheese ever be made into a drinkable form that can be sold to the masses? So many questions, so little an attention span. Wait, what am I doing here when i could be mining Kernite in Amarr space!? Gotta fly! *insert zoom noise here*
You would be better off mining Scordite with today's trit and pyer prices especially considering its availability.
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Interesting that the next comic makes it pretty clear P-Duckys father was involved (he "took" the entire clan). Not sure exactly how he was involved though.
Also, I have the feeling that Amber intended for shadow cubi to have a bit of a Cheshire look. It is a pretty somber and morbid tale being told(genocide and infanticide), without a little something in there it would be a near total downer of a comic. Still, excellent story telling and drama fuel.
Also, I am surprised that some are so up in arms about an infant on a platter. Many modern countries do little better in the name of convenience.
Quote from: Mel Dragonkitty on December 26, 2009, 09:19:44 PM
And my point was that there is such forum blindness to cubi evil that the discussion was "OMG! Falina forgot her lipstick!" instead of "OMG! They are killing infants!"
But the cubi being evil is nothing new, we have been told that several (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_576.php) times (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_658.php) already (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_661.php). I was half expecting a choice of wines or "would you want fries with that?".
Fa'Lina without lipstick, now, that
is a shock.
Quote from: Mel Dragonkitty on December 26, 2009, 09:19:44 PM
The message was still that the baby is a consumable product, even if a cubi of her level doesn't actually chew up and digest it. I'm sure their intention was that she "consume" it in the cubi manner.
Given the following strip that would appear not to be the case. Though we still have no clear idea what their precise motives for doing this were.
As for "the cubi manner", that is not specific to 'cubi by a long shot. It would not surprise me in the least if that was what happened to Fa'Lina's own children.
QuoteAnd my point was that there is such forum blindness to cubi evil that the discussion was "OMG! Falina forgot her lipstick!" instead of "OMG! They are killing infants!"
Or it was simply too horrible to want to dwell upon. As Cog said, it is pretty clear that both sides did unspeakable things to each other during the war. I'm not sure it needs amplifying.
Yup. That's per-robably the most fundamentally skin-crawlingly creepy 'cubi I've seen in the whole comic.
Fortunately, that's what we have Fa'Lina for. I may not like her, but aesthetically, I like everything in that last panel. Are those pupils?
...to say nothing of the Dragon-'Cubi wars and its ties to Pyroduck's past. Yes-sir-ree, I like where this is going.
Quote from: ChaosMageX on December 26, 2009, 10:53:46 PM
Heck, how do we know that the recipients of Pyroduck's other siblings did not also raise them, and turn them into assassins to murder their own mother/father as an act of vengence? Now that would be pretty sweet. 8)
That was sort of the backstory for Savvack in the second Star Trek movie. She is a Romulan raised by Vulcans, she was kidnapped as an infant by enemies of her Romulan parents, who then left her where she would be found by Vulcans. Apparently this is a particularly elegant form of revenge among Romulans, to make sure your child is raised among your enemies, forever estranged from you.
Quote from: inuhanyo on December 27, 2009, 11:31:58 PM
Quote from: ChaosMageX on December 26, 2009, 10:53:46 PM
Heck, how do we know that the recipients of Pyroduck's other siblings did not also raise them, and turn them into assassins to murder their own mother/father as an act of vengence? Now that would be pretty sweet. 8)
That was sort of the backstory for Savvack in the second Star Trek movie. She is a Romulan raised by Vulcans, she was kidnapped as an infant by enemies of her Romulan parents, who then left her where she would be found by Vulcans. Apparently this is a particularly elegant form of revenge among Romulans, to make sure your child is raised among your enemies, forever estranged from you.
Not intending to off-topic too much, but I have to know--WHY was she called "Mister" in Star Trek II and no one (including those who watched it) even bats an eyelid?
Quote from: Baal Hadad on December 28, 2009, 02:21:47 AM
Not intending to off-topic too much, but I have to know--WHY was she called "Mister" in Star Trek II and no one (including those who watched it) even bats an eyelid?
Ensign, yes? Anyone in the navy or airforce or army would recognise the "everyone gets called mister when being addressed by superiors" syndrome. It's a way of not having to pay attention to the little details like rank, and/or used as a club to bring attention to the fact that the person so addressed needs correction. Generally speaking. In Sci-Fi circles, it's used as a generic honorific for both male and female persons. It saves the time of having to think which gender you're referring to, and avoids the whole Miss/Mrs/Ms/Mz/etc debacle. In times of action, this can be useful...
This is how I've understood it to be used, anyway. I could well be wrong, since I don't recall the movie in question just now...
There is something about this whole "Ew, they're killing babies" thing that doesn't quite make sense. And that is whether the said children are babies at all (as opposed to adults or young adults).
Pyroduck was clearly an infant, but given that Hizell or whoever PD's father was is presumably millions of years old like most other Dragons, the idea of him having so many babies all at once during the relatively brief period of the war is a little bizarre. Not impossible, of course.
That said, it is far easier to subdue an immature dragon than a full adult, but Pyroduck was presumably in the care of someone pretty powerful and they managed to abduct him.
Now, one possibility is that PD's dad isn't a dragon at all, and that his mother was the dragon. As mentioned by someone else he may possibly be 'cubi. (And no, Aniz wouldn't fit since he was born after the war ended, or during its final stages).
Quote from: Tapewolf on December 28, 2009, 05:31:09 AM
There is something about this whole "Ew, they're killing babies" thing that doesn't quite make sense. And that is whether the said children are babies at all (as opposed to adults or young adults).
Pyroduck was clearly an infant, but given that Hizell or whoever PD's father was is presumably millions of years old like most other Dragons, the idea of him having so many babies all at once during the relatively brief period of the war is a little bizarre. Not impossible, of course.
Hmm... it would have taken a good dragon hunter to subdue the older victims... I wonder if a lot of dragon slayers of the time are 'cubi disguised as adventurers...
*Charline returns from giving Charles his Christmas slaying...er... 'sleighing'... yeah.. :shifty * Eee-hee-hee! Presenting him on a dinner platter! That's so delightfully wicked! It's just like something I'd do!
Except I'd have eaten him. Babies are nice and tender. :veryevil
Quote from: Tapewolf on December 28, 2009, 05:31:09 AM
There is something about this whole "Ew, they're killing babies" thing that doesn't quite make sense. And that is whether the said children are babies at all (as opposed to adults or young adults).
Maybe dragons have many babies at once ?
Like a cat or a dog .. y'know ... bundles of cuteness all over the place. :)
Quote from: Anker Steadfast on December 28, 2009, 03:23:16 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on December 28, 2009, 05:31:09 AM
There is something about this whole "Ew, they're killing babies" thing that doesn't quite make sense. And that is whether the said children are babies at all (as opposed to adults or young adults).
Maybe dragons have many babies at once ?
Like a cat or a dog .. y'know ... bundles of cuteness all over the place. :)
I would presume that Dragons would lay eggs. Though the fact that they can take a mammalian humanoid form rather then a a reptilian one complicates things....
Hmm, probably right, though birds can have many eggs at the same time too.
And not just birds, frogs for example can have a LOT at the same time!!
Quote from: Lego3400 on December 28, 2009, 04:02:15 PM
I would presume that Dragons would lay eggs. Though the fact that they can take a mammalian humanoid form rather then a a reptilian one complicates things....
Also that they are cross-fertile with 'Cubi, Beings etc.
Quote from: Tapewolf on December 28, 2009, 04:15:21 PM
Quote from: Lego3400 on December 28, 2009, 04:02:15 PM
I would presume that Dragons would lay eggs. Though the fact that they can take a mammalian humanoid form rather then a a reptilian one complicates things....
Also that they are cross-fertile with 'Cubi, Beings etc.
... Fa'Lina + Dragon = Scary ? 'A' :eek :disbelief
Some mammals can harve large litters, and frequently.
Mice, for instance.
Sea turtles, for another instance.
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Quote from: Baal Hadad on December 28, 2009, 02:21:47 AM
Not intending to off-topic too much, but I have to know--WHY was she called "Mister" in Star Trek II and no one (including those who watched it) even bats an eyelid?
Ensign, yes? Anyone in the navy or airforce or army would recognise the "everyone gets called mister when being addressed by superiors" syndrome. It's a way of not having to pay attention to the little details like rank, and/or used as a club to bring attention to the fact that the person so addressed needs correction. Generally speaking. In Sci-Fi circles, it's used as a generic honorific for both male and female persons. It saves the time of having to think which gender you're referring to, and avoids the whole Miss/Mrs/Ms/Mz/etc debacle. In times of action, this can be useful...
This is how I've understood it to be used, anyway. I could well be wrong, since I don't recall the movie in question just now...
Plus, in Sci-fi there may be characters with other genders than the usual ones...
Quote from: LionHeart on December 29, 2009, 01:18:44 AM
Plus, in Sci-fi there may be characters with other genders than the usual ones...
In one case in particular, both. Genders, that is. As I recall it, the person in question had a crush on his/her commanding officer, and tended to appear to be whichever happened to cause more confusion (when he/she was of a mind to do so, that is)...