I must admit, Deebs' expression change from panel 3 to panel 4 is flooring me each time I look at it.
Amber, I can only dream of conveying such emotion in so little. :)
Edit:
Psst. It's #2, not #1...
-- llearch
Quick Amber! You must get to Taco Bell right away!
Or else the grocery store... and get a box of the good stuff.
mmm... Old El Paso crunchy tacos~ *salivates* ^//-//^
Dangit Amber! Now I want tacos :<
More comic-related;
Jyrras, the only father to truly understand his own child?
Only silly roo rats don't believe in Santa.
Noooo! I can't stand Jyrras breaking Deeb's little gummy heart like this! :dface
Damn, Jyrras really DOES have all the answers.
Jyrras, you heartless bastard! Have you no shame?
Ye gods, he's quick. Answered every question before she could even say anything to indicate what she's actually asking. Impressive.
Jyrras is fast with Deebs, he answered her questions before she was halfway through. I want that skill.
I will give bad points to Jyrras on how he crushed Deebs gummy little heart. He could have broken it to her much more gently but at least he answered every question with a complete answer so I give him points for being thorough.
Jyrras gains major fatherly points for breaking it to her with a genuine 'I am sorry' look on his face instead of 'a matter of fact' look.
(I think someone named this thread wrong, it should be #2...)
Oh man, I don't think I'll ever be able to get over the lines in Panel 2...
*gasp* "You're on the naughty list?"
"No, I-"
"I'M ON THE NAUGHTY LIST?" :dface
xD
Jyrras fails Christmas spirit forever. :<
Quote from: GrifterMage on December 05, 2009, 12:26:16 AM
Jyrras, you heartless bastard! Have you no shame?
Shame? Where's he's going he'll have no need for shame.
Why? Because is Santa is real. And Jyrras is indeed now on the naughty list (http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=233).
I'm not even sure all the questions she was trying to ask O.o
Poor Deebs, Jyras destroys all the fun for her.
I suppose Jyrras is like Vizzini--he can't read minds but he can calculate the probability that certain things will be said and answer the questions that are most likely to come up, such that he can APPEAR to read minds....
Well, technically Deebs is more genetically connected to Jyrras than normal daughters (clone-ish?), so perhaps he can predict what she will ask based on his own opinions and the questions he himself asked as a child.
Quote from: Sienna Maiu - M T on December 05, 2009, 03:07:16 AM
Well, technically Deebs is more genetically connected to Jyrras than normal daughters (clone-ish?), so perhaps he can predict what she will ask based on his own opinions and the questions he himself asked as a child.
Maybe.... Although she certainly isn't "Jyrras"--and not just because she's a bunny, and a she....
I'm sure he will be made to believe...soon or later
What did he say about Laplanders?! D:<
Doesn't Jyrras know that a good father daughter relationship is built on deception and lies? Nothing good will come from his truth telling and fact saying.
Quote from: Baal Hadad on December 05, 2009, 03:22:02 AM
Maybe.... Although she certainly isn't "Jyrras"--and not just because she's a bunny, and a she....
Well that's silly. Think about it, Deebs is formed from gum with Jyrras's DNA in it and Mab's magic (yeesh, Mab with the illegitimate children :.). As such it is safe to say the "she" has no real gender or species. She's gum, she can be whatever the heck she wants to be. And count on Mab to have the most random outcomes anyway.
Someone's been through this before.
This comic is so full of d'aw.
wuh? there's...there's no Santa? BWUUHUUHUUHUU....
December = tacos?
The Roorat seems sad ... guess there is a story about his own christmas spirit taking a dent lurking in the back. :<
Quote from: Timothy on December 05, 2009, 09:59:18 AM
The Roorat seems sad ... guess there is a story about his own christmas spirit taking a dent lurking in the back. :<
What immediately springs to mind is that if you have six sisters you're not going to get much spent on you per head in terms of presents...
Hmm... Maybe, but his mom is an attorney, so there is a decent amount of income there to spend. I'm thinking perhaps the "sisters broke his teddybear" story.
Meh, I don't know. We'll just have to find out I guess.
Quote from: Artanis on December 05, 2009, 02:14:44 AM
Because is Santa is real. And Jyrras is indeed now on the naughty list (http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=233).
OH SNAP. Time to try out some farming implements!
....NOOOOO D:
It's not true! That's impossible!
Much as I liked this comic... the first thing that leapt to my mind was something to the effect of, "There's a Tim Allen in Furrae?"
Then I realized this is a non-canon little Christmas, and even if Mab
does show up in a tasteful Santa Claus outfit at the end, it won't have happened. Great artwork in the last panel.
Quote from: Baal Hadad on December 05, 2009, 02:56:05 AM
I suppose Jyrras is like Vizzini--he can't read minds but he can calculate the probability that certain things will be said and answer the questions that are most likely to come up, such that he can APPEAR to read minds....
The moment I started really thinking about this, I got
waaay too deep into thought before remembering, again, that emphasis on humor aside, it's explicitly non-canonical and Jyrras probably can't actually do that on a good day with someone he knows and is comfortable around. Good book, though.
I gotta say, not liking Jyrass right now. I have a friend who pulled something similar on a small scale and ALMOST spoiled Santa for a mutual friends kids. Suffice to say he got barred from said friends house for the month of December and recieved a rough slug in the arm pretty much anytime the rest of us saw him. Followed by a reminder of how stupid his genius ass was.
Intelligent people, a message to you. If someone believes in Santa, regardless of age, let them. It's fun, it's harmless, let them. Yeesh.
Now I'm just hoping something bad happens to Jy in the next few comics, that'll make me feel better :mwaha
Quote from: Jasonrevall on December 05, 2009, 04:21:55 AM
Doesn't Jyrras know that a good father daughter relationship is built on deception and lies? Nothing good will come from his truth telling and fact saying.
My parents felt the opposite, they never let us be disillusioned by letting us believe in Santa or the other stuff like the Easter bunny and the tooth fairy. I think I came out being quite normal, aside from the fact that I tend to be a rather boring person if you ever meet me in RL.
Quote from: Omega on December 05, 2009, 04:09:34 AM
What did he say about Laplanders?! D:<
Don't think I've heard of or seen that movie.
Quote from: Omega on December 05, 2009, 04:09:34 AM
What did he say about Laplanders?! D:<
To use the Jeopardy format
The answer is: Laplanders
Where did the concept of Christmas reindeer come from?
***** *****
Regarding the existence of Santa Claus
(Insert Twilight Zone music here) Tonight we present, as a cautionary tale, a story entitled The Boy Who Laughed at Santa Claus (http://www.westegg.com/nash/santa.html), written by Ogden Nash.
The legalistic approach taken by the judge in A Miracle on 34th Street - It is a crime to deliver mail to anybody except the addressee. Since the mail to Santa Claus is being delivered to somebody, there must be a Santa Claus for it to be delivered to according to the United States Postal Service. If the United States Postal Service recognizes the existence of Santa Claus, the court is hesitant to disagree unless there is strong evidence to the contrary.
The religious agnostic approach - I am unable to determine as a matter of certainty the existence or non-existence of Santa Claus. I see no reason not to act as if there was a Santa Claus if it makes people happy and improves the world.
Quote from: Netrogo on December 05, 2009, 11:36:13 AM
I gotta say, not liking Jyrass right now. I have a friend who pulled something similar on a small scale and ALMOST spoiled Santa for a mutual friends kids.
The differance here is that Deebs is Jyrras's daughter. He gets to decide how best to raise her and jyrras is a scientist, he probabley thinks that it's better that she knows the truth rather then lieing to her even if it's a well meaning lie. It's his dision on how to raise his own daughter. just like it was not your friends place to try the same. tose weren'y his kids it's not his place.
Quote from: kusanagi-sama on December 05, 2009, 12:28:31 PM
Quote from: Jasonrevall on December 05, 2009, 04:21:55 AM
Doesn't Jyrras know that a good father daughter relationship is built on deception and lies? Nothing good will come from his truth telling and fact saying.
My parents felt the opposite, they never let us be disillusioned by letting us believe in Santa or the other stuff like the Easter bunny and the tooth fairy. I think I came out being quite normal, aside from the fact that I tend to be a rather boring person if you ever meet me in RL.
...Urge to refrence Miracle of 34th street risiiiiing
Believe me Amber will have to resort to using deep fried sandwich bread for the taco shells >:3
What? I am sure if they have tacos in Germany, Canada has Taco Bell products in the grocers' shelves....PBH
I feel like such a bad person because of it, but watching Jyrras strike down all of Deebs's questions from off the top of his head amused me to no end. In fact, I laughed like a hyena.
I loved this strip - but only because I'm a Christian and am really fed up with Santa stealing Christmas every year..!!!
:mwaha
It's the Grinch who steals Christmas, not Santa... :P
Tim Allen? Seriously?
Has he now become one of the "ledgends" of christmas?
We've got Santa, the Grinch, Scrooge and the spirits of past, present, future, and now Tim Allen. Maybe a few more, but I don't recall.
Jyrras got the Dreamcrusher Perk in Fallout 3, didn't he? :mwaha
The Auld Grump
<--- satisfied he wasn't the only person who promptly approved of Jy's logical take on the whole thing.
Quote from: Timothy on December 05, 2009, 09:59:18 AM
The Roorat seems sad ... guess there is a story about his own christmas spirit taking a dent lurking in the back. :<
Jimmy Neutron springs to mind.
Jyrras is just saying that because he knows he's on the naughty list for some things he's thought about Dan. And Abel. And Dan AND Abel.
Άγιος Νικόλαος δεν είναι η τουρκική - Άγιος Νικόλαος είναι η ελληνικά.
It's only the modern area where he was from that's in modern turkey; the Turkish kingdoms only started to encroach on Anatolia during the Byzantine period.
While one of my stronger character traits may be "Grammar Nazi", "History Nazi" is right up along there <.<
Quote from: Attic Rat on December 05, 2009, 06:33:54 PM
I loved this strip - but only because I'm a Christian and am really fed up with Santa stealing Christmas every year..!!!
:mwaha
So then I'm assuming you root for Jesus when he and Santa do combat every year?
Quote from: ChaosMageX on December 06, 2009, 11:32:20 AM
Quote from: Attic Rat on December 05, 2009, 06:33:54 PM
I loved this strip - but only because I'm a Christian and am really fed up with Santa stealing Christmas every year..!!!
:mwaha
So then I'm assuming you root for Jesus when he and Santa do combat every year?
Hehe, I would too if that were to actually ever happen.
I dislike this thread, but only because this holiday was designed originally to trample another holiday. I wish folks would stop trying to ruin the Winter Solstice celebrations.
Quote from: Mao Laoren on December 06, 2009, 05:02:22 PM
I dislike this thread, but only because this holiday was designed originally to trample another holiday. I wish folks would stop trying to ruin the Winter Solstice celebrations.
IIRC, the original pagan Winter Solstice celebrations in ancient southern Europe usually involved drunken violent parties that made frat boy parties look like little girl tea parties. That's a whole lot of partying right there. xD
Pfft. Everyone knows that if anything is going to trample another thing, its going to be me trampling everything else. I wish folks would stop trying to ruin the Amber rules everything celebrations. :U
Quote from: ChaosMageX on December 06, 2009, 05:45:00 PM
IIRC, the original pagan Winter Solstice celebrations in ancient southern Europe usually involved drunken violent parties that made frat boy parties look like little girl tea parties. That's a whole lot of partying right there. xD
I'd be interested to know your source for that. Sounds like the propaganda that was used as a tool to try and stamp out the celebration in the first place. It's amazing the steps that were taken, from creating their own holiday next to it to slandering and even outlawing it at one point.
Quote from: Amber Williams on December 06, 2009, 05:46:52 PM
Pfft. Everyone knows that if anything is going to trample another thing, its going to be me trampling everything else. I wish folks would stop trying to ruin the Amber rules everything celebrations. :U
Put them big ol' stampy boots on your scrawny little chicken legs and get to trampling. I could use the laugh. We'll call it Ambmas. It'll consist of a 4day stretch in which we all draw art and wangst in blogs/newsboxes. It'll kinda be like an artists appreciation week or Nanowrimo, just only 4 days long. In the end, everyone will give gift art to one another in an attempt to console the other one's wangst.
I believe that you are referring to Saturnalia when you discuss pagan holidays as predecessors of Christmas. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturnalia)
By the way, this is Amber's world and she can stomp if she wants to.
Quote from: Naldru on December 06, 2009, 06:11:33 PM
I believe that you are referring to Saturnalia when you discuss pagan holidays as predecessors of Christmas. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturnalia)
By the way, this is Amber's world and she can stomp if she wants to.
Ah sweet, they'd set out a couch in front of the temple. I think in some places setting a couch out on the front yard is still a holiday tradition, or at least a red-neck tradition. xD
Also, Amber's talk of stomping things as a holiday tradition makes me think of Robot Chicken's Weasel Stomping Day.
Quote from: Naldru on December 06, 2009, 06:11:33 PM
I believe that you are referring to Saturnalia when you discuss pagan holidays as predecessors of Christmas. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturnalia)
By the way, this is Amber's world and she can stomp if she wants to.
That's one of many. See here. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_Solstice)
Quote from: Mao Laoren on December 06, 2009, 05:02:22 PM
I dislike this thread, but only because this holiday was designed originally to trample another holiday. I wish folks would stop trying to ruin the Winter Solstice celebrations.
Go ahead and celebrate Winter Solstice. It's December 21 this year.
I have only one thing to say to you. Oh no you didn't. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OREPKjI8FNw) Also.. I plan on educating any kid I raise will be instructed in the same manner as Deebs is being. It's better they know the truth, imho.
What is this "truth" of which you speak?
Quote from: Sienna Maiu - M T on December 06, 2009, 10:38:18 PM
What is this "truth" of which you speak?
The fact that Santa doesn't exist, except in his case, he'll also include Jesus in that since I believe he's probably pagan?
Well, it was fun, but I think we've worn out the joke.
The Santa Claus we all know was invented in 1822 in America. That's 187 years ago. Kids like him, he doesn't resemble the original Bishop Nicholas of Myra (then part of Greece, in the year 325, now part of Turkey) in the slightest, and he gives militant Christian-haters something silly to talk about this time of year, so... Merry Christmas to all!
Quote from: kusanagi-sama on December 07, 2009, 09:25:49 PM
Quote from: Sienna Maiu - M T on December 06, 2009, 10:38:18 PM
What is this "truth" of which you speak?
The fact that Santa doesn't exist, except in his case, he'll also include Jesus in that since I believe he's probably pagan?
Incorrect on the saying that I make any assumption about Santa and Jesus. I don't know. I generally don't state as fact things I can't prove. I will tell the child what I know, and encourage it to figure it out for itself, and maybe make new discoveries to further what I know, to improve upon it, as my parents did for me. This will give the child the freedom it needs to grow and think critically. I won't lie to it, nor force my views on it. I will do my best to answer any question it has and to try and make sure it's happy, healthy and safe.
As for me being pagan? In a sense. As you can see, I'm very cautious in what I choose to believe and use as fact in my life. I like to give things careful consideration and am quite happy to call the phrase 'I don't know' a core of my line of thinking. As such, in the case of the mysticism and gods and such that comes attached to most any religion, I state the only truth of the of the matter that I can honestly claim: I don't know. Now that I've cleared the air on that, yes. I do otherwise follow druidism. I have a great respect for a life path that pays attention to the world we live in and strives to live in harmony with it.
I hope that answers your questions and corrects your false assumptions.
I am really offended by the claim that Christmass "trampled" another holiday, when it was actually a preservation of the Pagan tradition adjusted to be compatible with Christianity... The proto-Catholic Church created the Christmas celebration so Christians could join the Winter Solstice celebrations while remaining true to Christ. Once the Church outnumbered the Pagans, it was a way for the non-converts to keep their traditions mostly intact while still following the new faith. Evangelism without compulsion is not wrong. Spanish-style inquisitions on the other hand, are.
*kicks soapbox out from under himself to prevent further ramblings*
@Mao Laoren, yes. It corrents my assumptions and answers my questions. I should learn to hold my tongue sometimes.
Quote from: Attic Rat on December 06, 2009, 08:34:20 PM
Quote from: Mao Laoren on December 06, 2009, 05:02:22 PM
I dislike this thread, but only because this holiday was designed originally to trample another holiday. I wish folks would stop trying to ruin the Winter Solstice celebrations.
Go ahead and celebrate Winter Solstice. It's December 21 this year.
As it has, and will, for
many years. Remaining in sync with the seasons was one of the design criteria of the Gregorian Calendar. The Japanese were sufficiently impressed with it, so that they abandoned the Chinese Lunar Calendar that they had been using (updated whenever they were in contact with China).
Quote from: kusanagi-sama on December 08, 2009, 07:31:25 PM
@Mao Laoren, yes. It corrents my assumptions and answers my questions. I should learn to hold my tongue sometimes.
Nah, don't worry about stuff like that. If you don't speak your mind and honestly voice your thoughts and opinions none of us will grow or learn more about one another.
Quote from: Scow2 on December 08, 2009, 06:58:00 PM
I am really offended by the claim that Christmass "trampled" another holiday, when it was actually a preservation of the Pagan tradition adjusted to be compatible with Christianity... The proto-Catholic Church created the Christmas celebration so Christians could join the Winter Solstice celebrations while remaining true to Christ. Once the Church outnumbered the Pagans, it was a way for the non-converts to keep their traditions mostly intact while still following the new faith. Evangelism without compulsion is not wrong. Spanish-style inquisitions on the other hand, are.
*kicks soapbox out from under himself to prevent further ramblings*
First: Might want to gear down there, as that comment was meant as an attempt to make a point concerning how asinine it was to be offended about Santa stealing the show from Christ. Especially when one considers that, from your own post, Christ stole the show from someone/something else.
Also, your statement is rife with problems:
1- "non-converts to keep their traditions in tact while still following the new faith"?
If I were to read that as it is, it's essentially saying "Alright, you don't want to believe what we say, but you still have to do it our way."
2- "when it was actually a preservation of the Pagan tradition adjusted to be compatible with Christianity..."
Then it's not a preservation at all. If you're adjusting it to be in your view, you're changing it. That's the exact opposite of preserving it.
3- "Evangelism without compulsion is not wrong."
Except, if I'm taking what you're saying as fact (though you've not provided any sources), then there is a compulsion there. "Your holiday is now a christian one too, but since we outnumber you, we're doing it our way and you will too."
4- " Once the Church outnumbered the Pagans, it was a way for the non-converts to keep their traditions mostly intact while still following the new faith."
The holiday *was* trampled by your own words because the pagans were outnumbered.
Edit: Minor grammar, spelling and punctuation fixes.
In a lot of those cultures, if the leader converted then everyone else did too. But the conversions were shallow for generations.
Establishing a Christian holiday to substitute for an existing holiday allowed the converts to keep some of their traditions and ease the switch. Though, arguably, All Saints Day didn't succeed.
Quote from: inuhanyo on December 10, 2009, 12:46:49 AM
(snip) Though, arguably, All Saints Day didn't succeed.
On the other hand, All Hallows' Eve is doing quite well. :)
With regards,
Ted