But with $142 million for "New Moon" on its opening weekend, I fear we shall suffer the torment of being subjected to the Mary-Sue angst-fest and screaming, swoony fan girls forever.
And the movie was bad. It was just... bad. I can make a movie that bad too! Why won't people give me $142 million? (they can keep the stupid fan girls)
There is no hope... :redrum
To be honest, the only thing I could stand to do without in this series is that horrible HORRIBLE actress they got to play the female lead.
I used to sell the books. I saw the fans. I was forced to see the movie. Yet the only thing I can't stand is that acting.
I have not seen or read anything from this series. But I have to hear about it from rabid fangirls at work (I work at a video game store). And I smile and nod and slowly weep for humanity. This time around, Alondro and I are in total agreement. It makes me sick knowing just how much money this is making off of these people, and I'm not the one profiting from it!!
I did think of one way to profit AND mock it at the same time!
Sell packets of glitter on Ebay as "Instant Twilight Powder! Just one application will turn you into a sparkly vampire in sunlight! Just like Edward!"
>:3
Quote from: Alondro on November 24, 2009, 12:08:26 AM
I did think of one way to profit AND mock it at the same time!
Sell packets of glitter on Ebay as "Instant Twilight Powder! Just one application will turn you into a sparkly vampire in sunlight! Just like Edward!"
>:3
Vampires in general have had a long and sordid path in the popular view, from dracula to nosferatu, to Rice, to WoD, to Whedon, and then finally to these pathetic attempts..
you know werewolves will be next. :<
Guys, one thing you have to realise... There are a ton of badly written books out there yet for some reason this was more successful. It wasn't random chance, there was something about the book and how it was written that appealed to a lot of people. Think about that.
I do. And I weep for huminanity.
Quote from: Sofox on November 24, 2009, 04:56:04 AM
Guys, one thing you have to realise... There are a ton of badly written books out there yet for some reason this was more successful. It wasn't random chance, there was something about the book and how it was written that appealed to a lot of people. Think about that.
it's a glorified fanfic. 'nuff said. >:3
Anti-Twilightism is as boring as Twilight.
Quote from: Sofox on November 24, 2009, 04:56:04 AM
Guys, one thing you have to realise... There are a ton of badly written books out there yet for some reason this was more successful.
Yeah, marketing.
There's much better stuff out there, but it doesn't get marketed, because the marketers can't figure out to what focus groups to peddle the stuff to. Mary Sue/vampire stuff that 8-year old girls like is much easier to market due to its simplistic nature.
</cynical bastard>
I plan on reading the books someday, but I must say New Moon is awesome (watched it last night). Tackle hug for the freakin' win. :januscat
I feel very, very bad for Robert Pattinson. He wants out of the film production for good but can't due to his contract obligations. Considering the fact he thinks the series is rubbish and is constantly being harassed by rabid Twilight fans for one reason or another, he's in a real bad position.
Poor guy. I liked him in Goblet of Fire. :<
Chalk me down as another person who hates the series. As a fun fact, my parents watched the movie because they apparently had nothing better to do, and once it was over I asked my mom if she liked it. She said it was okay, but asked, "What was up with the sparkles?" I couldn't stop laughing.
For once it seems I should count myself lucky for not having a clue about what you all are talking about.
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on November 24, 2009, 09:38:53 AM
I feel very, very bad for Robert Pattinson. He wants out of the film production for good but can't due to his contract obligations. Considering the fact he thinks the series is rubbish and is constantly being harassed by rabid Twilight fans for one reason or another, he's in a real bad position.
I still loved reading that one quote from around the time of the first movie, where his interpretation of Edward is described as a century-old awkward pubescent virgin with issues (roughly paraphrased). The fan harassment on the other hand is just... y'know... creepy. A shame he can't get out of it.
This could actually be a good thing, if harnessed properly. Example. (http://www.xkcd.com/591/) (Somewhat NSFW for language) Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.
Quote from: proeliator bradypodidae on November 24, 2009, 09:50:32 AMFor once it seems I should count myself lucky for not having a clue about what you all are talking about.
I know what they're talking about, but I choose to pretend I don't.
I, too, am happy.
Quote from: Sofox on November 24, 2009, 04:56:04 AM
Guys, one thing you have to realise... There are a ton of badly written books out there yet for some reason this was more successful. It wasn't random chance, there was something about the book and how it was written that appealed to a lot of people. Think about that.
That hardly makes things better. Hell, if anything, it makes it worse...find the right demograph, and no matter how poorly you do, you'll get a movie deal. Do it for the art, and you'll get hosed.
As for Kristen Stewart...well, like Patterison, she really hates the series, and consideirng she's playing a generic Anti-Sue, one can hardly blame her for her acting ability here. Hell, maybe she'e trying to act badly so she can get fired.
Quote from: Kafzeil on November 24, 2009, 03:20:02 PM
As for Kristen Stewart...well, like Patterison, she really hates the series, and consideirng she's playing a generic Anti-Sue, one can hardly blame her for her acting ability here. Hell, maybe she'e trying to act badly so she can get fired.
The guy who plays Edward also hates his character more and more each scene he films.
Stephen was quoted as saying he hated the series and thought it basically crapped on all the vampire history. At least most people who write something about Vampires keep the same general writing. Also they did screw with Werewolves. Just in New Moon the are called "shapeshifters". Just watching commercials for it annoys me. I mean I thought Harry Potter was bad (if not to mention a rip off of a series called Books of Magic). I think most of the cast of that series doesn't even like their character.
Daimien: You could say Harry Potter rips off numerous things, the fact it uses many generic elements isn't even up for debate. More how it comes together.
And I think you guys missed my point, I haven't read Twilight, but I believe there must be something about it that other writers have a hard time replicating. It has frequently happened that something "bad" just has that something about it that appeals to various people. I think it would be more useful to understand what it is then just lambaste the series as a whole.
I'm of mixed minds of this success.
On one hand, I hate Twilight simply from the first movie. That film was awful beyond belief. I would rather watch Dragonball: Evolution again rather than Twilight.
On the other hand, for the actors involved, this is giving them the biggest breaks many of them will ever get in their careers. Acting, as well as any other career in Hollywood, is a cut-throat, dog eat dog business. As much as I want it to fail, for the actors' sake's, I hope it succeeds, for a variety of reasons that I can't get into.
On my third hand at the bottom of my leg, I have to admit I do have a bit of jealousy toward the author. Once upon a time I had started writing a novel that featured tertiary characters with similarities to those of Twilight (before the franchise was even born), and now if I ever got around to finishing the novel, everyone would say that part is a ripoff of Twilight. So I want it to fail.
On the fourth hand at the bottom of my other leg, I want it to succeed because hopefully, it will knock Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen from its perch. I haven't seen Revenge of the Fallen, but I heard it was terrible. I don't know if this movie is more terrible than that one, but in a battle between fantastic creatures and giant robots, my sympathy lies toward the supernatural.
And I'm all out of hands.
If you've ever read the books I mentioned you'll see why I call it a rip off.
It's not other writers having a hard time replicating the writing style. It just seems the writer needs a history lesson in bot vampires and werewolves. It just seems the writer didn't like how people where seeing vampires and werewolves and decided to put them in their own light. Which annoys alot of people. It seems they have turned their backs on what has been written and act like it never happened. I mean making vampires sparkle and vampires out in the daylight? The fact vampires couldn't be out in sun light gave them a romantic quality. What they are calling vampires is a joke. I'm sure Bram Stroker is turning over in his grave with this fanfic turned book turned movie.
Quote from: Destina Faroda on November 24, 2009, 09:24:46 PM
On the fourth hand at the bottom of my other leg, I want it to succeed because hopefully, it will knock Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen from its perch. I haven't seen Revenge of the Fallen, but I heard it was terrible. I don't know if this movie is more terrible than that one, but in a battle between fantastic creatures and giant robots, my sympathy lies toward the supernatural.
Giant robots > the supernatural. Just to be the other side of the proverbial coin. I'd take the RotF actionfest over the drama-romance of Twilight anyday.
Also, Peter Cullen's Optimus Prime Voice.
i have nothing against vampires
i have nothing against romance novels
i have nothing against almost anything related to twilight except...
its the word equivalent of stick figures.
Jack London was an illiterate dock worker who taught himself to read and write by going to a library on his off hours and eventually became the highest paid author in history (until JK Rowling took the title) with books like white fang and call of the wild. i may not really give a rats ass about those books but the point is he was able to write impressively well despite his background and his works lasted decades longer then his own life. i see twilight as being similar to harry potter in that someone decided that instead of writing a book to be a good book or even just to tell a story they write a book to follow a formula for popularity by appealing to the popular trends in the lowest common denominators of frustrated adolescents and angsty teens.
im not bashing the concept of a housewife writing a novel and it getting popular, but i truly believe that only books worth reading should be published, they let too much tripe through as it is. i am not surprised at all it got made into a movie, new moon seems to be revolving entirely on the concept of shirtless teens acting tough and that seems normal in a sickening way
Quote from: Destina Faroda on November 24, 2009, 09:24:46 PM
As much as I want it to fail, for the actors' sake's, I hope it succeeds, for a variety of reasons that I can't get into.
*reads too much into this* YOU MUST BE THE EDWARD GUY!!! OMG I LURV U AND WONT 2 HAV UR CHILDREN!!! *obsessive fanboi/girl/thing stalk-hug-crush attack!* :kruger
I thought the movie was mediocre, and could eventually only enjoy it by reading it as a character study of a teenage girl driven beyond rationality by her hormones. If I ever see it again, I don't care what context it is, in the scene where Bella decides to follow Edward into the forest, I'm going to jump up and shout, "NO! YOU'RE GOING THE WRONG WAY!" (Point to the books: According to a friend of mine who is a fan, they don't have Bella keeping mum about a major lead on the murders taking place in her hometown, then one-upping herself by walking into a forest alone with a vampire.)
I haven't read the books, but I once skimmed a copy in Meijer. It was enough to get a handle on both one of the series' selling points and one of its most disturbing aspects: Bella's "love" for Edward. It's hormonal infatuation taken a notch beyond the norm, described paragraph after paragraph by an author who believes that's how True Love works. And, of course, it will never, ever burn out, just like Bella can never, ever, ever even consider being parted from Edward because she loves him. (Why does she love him? LOVE. THAT'S WHY. DON'T ASK SO MANY QUESTIONS.) This sort of "absolute" is attractive (not to mention being much easier to read as "perfect"), especially to Twilight's target audience. It also has precedent, but:
1. This level of it is rare. Pick up one of the books and find a part where Bella is thinking about how much she LOVES and NEEDS Edward and you'll see what I mean.
2. You've probably seen something like it in the movies, but even a good actor can't convey just what's going on in their head the way elaborate literary description can.
-2.5. Likewise, even a handsome actor can't match the Edward Cullen of readers' imaginations and Meyer's purple praise. HE IS SOOO HOT.
3. When it does show up in romance novels, this tends to lead to sex scenes that (ideally) limit their audience to adults inside of a hundred pages. Twilight is somewhat unique, even commendable for not having its lead couple jump into bed the moment they decide they like each other -- but this also solidifies it as a "young adult" series of books, where all of the above factors are presented to the impressionable teenybopper crowd.
4. Finally, to quote a cousin of mine, "It's a love story, WITH A TWIST!" :eek
That twist, of course, is vampires who sparkle in the sunlight.
So... TRUST YOUR HORMONES AND KICK REASON TO THE CURB! THAT'S THE CULLEN-SWAN WAY!
This comic shows almost exactly what I think of sparkly vampires (http://www.applegeeks.com/comics/viewcomic.php?issue=552)
In fact a few years back I wanted to write a book Vampires and werewolves in an attempt to save them from what popular culture has done to them, to make them monsters to be feared again. Unfortunately Underworld came out shortly after I started and I ended up getting disillusioned with the concept.
The ultimate Twilight video!
The Broodening (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/487878)
So awesome. :3
Quote from: Alondro on November 25, 2009, 10:56:00 PM
The ultimate Twilight video!
The Broodening (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/487878)
So awesome. :3
my brain is hemorrhaging now
oookaay, i'll assess this from my purely cynical point of view, here goes.
"twilight" as a movie series is a bit of Teeny-fluff designed only to cash in on the sadly over-romanticized vampire genre in order to get young adults lusting after some over stylised, paragons of cookie-cutter mary-sue creations, we've all seen it before, we'll see it again after this series has faded into dust.
All they're designed to do is to cater to a need to entertain the masses who don't desire "high literature" and the ability to engage what little thought processes they have left, i generally regard movies like "Twilight" to be just a notch above reality television in terms of the bulk of those who watch it as far as intelligence (or lack therof) is concerned.
Consider this... for all the flak we've given the Star wars prequels and the matrix sequels, how much cash did they rake in at the box office?
yet good movies do tend to fly under the radar from time to time, so while everybody's going "ooh, aaah" at the shiny fluff in their local boxoffice, keep your eyeballs out for -good- flicks, or better yet, find yourselves some good classics.
i'm fairly certain not all of you will agree with my assessment, and it's prolly not a solid argument on my part, but this is how i see this whole "phenomenon", and the trite, mindless crud that it is. From my point of view, all i'm seeing of twilight is that it's a vampire fan-fic that managed to get a following, got published at some point, then that giant boulder rolled on from there, gathering all sorts of dookie along the way.
Why did i compare it to a "fanfic", i hear folks ask? let's look at it this way.. it takes vampire myth, tweaks it so that despite 'aparrent' flaws in character/race, there are none (all the hallmarks of a mary-sue), the basic "romeo and juliet" romance plot of "forbidden love", factions and so forth... and the fact from what i've heard/seen via other folks, trailers and snippets, the emotional stability is face-palmingly tragic.
i could as just as easily compared it to some webcomics i've seen, too.. truth be told it's just all the hallmarks of poor writing. I'm no wonderous writer myself, but i know bad writing when i see it. :U
on another note: i will genuinely feel sorry for those who run roleplays who may get an influx of 'twilight-style' vampires... after the movie "Blade" came about, there was an influx of 'daywalkers' last RP i frequented.. and that was years ago..
Quote from: Alondro on November 25, 2009, 10:56:00 PM
The ultimate Twilight video!
The Broodening (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/487878)
So awesome. :3
ARGHLBHL! Mind ... breaking! Torment .... makes ... speech ... Shatnerian....
Quote from: Vidar on November 27, 2009, 07:48:17 AM
Quote from: Alondro on November 25, 2009, 10:56:00 PM
The ultimate Twilight video!
The Broodening (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/487878)
So awesome. :3
ARGHLBHL! Mind ... breaking! Torment .... makes ... speech ... Shatnerian....
Well, that is the book/movie in a nutshell for ya. Great ain't it? >:3
I saw the new movie.
I actually liked it.
Maybe it was Bella's emotional breakdown, its realistic portrayal, her gradual, genuinely endearing recovery, and the general act of "actually making Bella interesting" (and not just me reading between lines that may not exist) that came with it.
Maybe it was the likable new love interest who actually had a legitimate claim to "desirable boyfriend" and not just a big red "DESTINY" sign above his head with a little "(reason need not apply)" disclaimer underneath.
Maybe it was Alice Cullen. I like her. If I ever, ever read these books, it'll be for the supporting cast. (I also still like Charlie.)
Maybe it was all of these factors, on top of the fact that the whole plot longer rode on a shallow love story and could now move on to bigger and better things.
But I think the real reason might have been Facepunch! . "LET'S DO THIS!"
It has its share of problems. And you might as well know that while the first one ended with a sequel hook, this one leads straight into the next. But the fact remains: I saw New Moon. And I liked it.
Quote from: Caswin on November 27, 2009, 05:56:11 PM
I saw the new movie.
I actually liked it.
Maybe it was Bella's emotional breakdown, its realistic portrayal, her gradual, genuinely endearing recovery, and the general act of "actually making Bella interesting" (and not just me reading between lines that may not exist) that came with it.
Maybe it was the likable new love interest who actually had a legitimate claim to "desirable boyfriend" and not just a big red "DESTINY" sign above his head with a little "(reason need not apply)" disclaimer underneath.
Maybe it was Alice Cullen. I like her. If I ever, ever read these books, it'll be for the supporting cast. (I also still like Charlie.)
Maybe it was all of these factors, on top of the fact that the whole plot longer rode on a shallow love story and could now move on to bigger and better things.
But I think the real reason might have been Facepunch! . "LET'S DO THIS!"
It has its share of problems. And you might as well know that while the first one ended with a sequel hook, this one leads straight into the next. But the fact remains: I saw New Moon. And I liked it.
:eek I fear that you are lost to the darkness forever... :|
i have a desire to wait untill 'breaking dawn' is made into a movie, and i will watch it just to see how hilariously abysmal it is
reading an outline of what that book is about is enough to make me laugh
Quote from: Brunhidden on December 01, 2009, 08:00:40 PM
i have a desire to wait untill 'breaking dawn' is made into a movie, and i will watch it just to see how hilariously abysmal it is
reading an outline of what that book is about is enough to make me laugh
Oh I'm sure that when Breaking Dawn is made it will be top-notch quality. What I'm waiting for is the general public's reaction to the content. If you thought the moral guardians were flipping out about the Harry Potter actor's little nudity side project, just wait till they learn what kind of monster plot development has been in store since the first film.
I have no issue with Twilight. If people are having fun reading/watching it and have found something to enjoy, then power to them.
Yeah, I've been wondering about this too.
I mean, I once wrote an intentionally horrible fanfic and people seemed to enjoy it (although in all fairness, surfing a magically summoned tidal wave on car door from a Ferrari is pretty awesome).
Quote from: Amber Williams on December 03, 2009, 06:42:13 PM
I have no issue with Twilight. If people are having fun reading/watching it and have found something to enjoy, then power to them.
Even though I hate the writing of the series and the culture of sparkly vamps with a burning passion.... :yeahthat
honestly, people of the furry community shouldn't be such harsh judges
Quote from: Darkmoon Firelyte on November 25, 2009, 11:18:49 AM
Quote from: rabid_fox on November 24, 2009, 07:54:51 AM
Anti-Twilightism is as boring as Twilight.
Agreed.
Yeah, I'm going to go with this option too. If people keep agreeing how bad it is, why are we still discussing about it? It's just going to give it more and more attention and more and more people are going to see it.
I haven't seen to movie nor read the book myself. I'm going to wait until some cute girl asks me if I've seen the movie(s) after which I get a good excuse to spend some time with her.
Quote from: Amber Williams on December 03, 2009, 06:42:13 PM
I have no issue with Twilight. If people are having fun reading/watching it and have found something to enjoy, then power to them.
I have no real issue with the Twilight books and movies, per say (aside from the fact that the books read like Ann Rice fan fiction written by a 12 year old girl with no concept of grammer), as I do with the rabid Twilight fans (aka "Twihards") who physicaly attack people who don't like the books or movies (http://io9.com/5204316/twilight-fans-stab-choke-and-beat-haters-into-submission), or try to convince me (and yes, this has happened more then once) that Stephanie Meyer's vampire mythos is the only "right" version, and everything THAT CAME BEFORE IT is completely wrong.
Sigh.
Oh, by the way, Relevant (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1glNuQiE77E).
Quote from: Moonchylde on December 06, 2009, 10:51:08 PMthat Stephanie Meyer's vampire mythos is the only "right" version, and everything THAT CAME BEFORE IT is completely wrong.
There's a "right" version of vampires?
Quote from: Sofox on December 07, 2009, 06:48:07 AM
Quote from: Moonchylde on December 06, 2009, 10:51:08 PMthat Stephanie Meyer's vampire mythos is the only "right" version, and everything THAT CAME BEFORE IT is completely wrong.
There's a "right" version of vampires?
you know, the couple
hundred years of European folklore that gave us the idea of vampires in the first place. this involves no bats however, and cause of vampire death was usually 'drunken mob'
Quote from: Turnsky on November 24, 2009, 03:01:00 AM
Quote from: Alondro on November 24, 2009, 12:08:26 AM
I did think of one way to profit AND mock it at the same time!
Sell packets of glitter on Ebay as "Instant Twilight Powder! Just one application will turn you into a sparkly vampire in sunlight! Just like Edward!"
>:3
Vampires in general have had a long and sordid path in the popular view, from dracula to nosferatu, to Rice, to WoD, to Whedon, and then finally to these pathetic attempts..
you know werewolves will be next. :<
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :redrum
Quote from: Moonchylde on December 06, 2009, 10:51:08 PM
Quote from: Amber Williams on December 03, 2009, 06:42:13 PM
I have no issue with Twilight. If people are having fun reading/watching it and have found something to enjoy, then power to them.
I have no real issue with the Twilight books and movies, per say (aside from the fact that the books read like Ann Rice fan fiction written by a 12 year old girl with no concept of grammer), as I do with the rabid Twilight fans (aka "Twihards") who physicaly attack people who don't like the books or movies (http://io9.com/5204316/twilight-fans-stab-choke-and-beat-haters-into-submission), or try to convince me (and yes, this has happened more then once) that Stephanie Meyer's vampire mythos is the only "right" version, and everything THAT CAME BEFORE IT is completely wrong.
Sigh.
Oh, by the way, Relevant (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1glNuQiE77E).
you have seriously scared me far more than anyone ever hads.... infact as i read the articles off of the anti twilight site it's self the room actually got colder and i started panicing.....seriously.
The "Twihard" article has to be one of the absolute stupidest things I've ever read, not because of the article itself, but because of the information within the article. I mean seriously, you shoot someone with a flare gun, just cause they don't like something you do? I guess this just proves what I've known for a long time, humanity is fucking stupid. (pardon my french.) It also proves my thought of "if you don't care for it, you have no real reason to talk about it." These kind of people are also one of the reasons i don't go out of the house much. But I digress. However, on the similar note of vampires, my brother says that vampires were once simply weakened greatly while out in the sun. *EDIT* Or more specifically, Bram Stoker's vampires. *END EDIT* However, sparkling (or whatever) while out in the sun is just idiotic. Anyway, back on topic, if this crazy shit is happening because of a book, then the sun really does need to set on this series... dumb asses... but I'm done.
Quote from: lucas marcone on December 14, 2009, 04:03:59 AM
you have seriously scared me far more than anyone ever hads.... infact as i read the articles off of the anti twilight site it's self the room actually got colder and i started panicing.....seriously.
Welcome to the dangers of fandom.
Quote from: Dagardo on December 14, 2009, 04:20:31 AM
The "Twihard" article has to be one of the absolute stupidest things I've ever read, not because of the article itself, but because of the information within the article. I mean seriously, you shoot someone with a flare gun, just cause they don't like something you do? I guess this just proves what I've known for a long time, humanity is fucking stupid. (pardon my french.) It also proves my thought of "if you don't care for it, you have no real reason to talk about it." These kind of people are also one of the reasons i don't go out of the house much. But I digress. However, on the similar note of vampires, my brother says that vampires were once simply weakened greatly while out in the sun. *EDIT* Or more specifically, Bram Stoker's vampires. *END EDIT* However, sparkling (or whatever) while out in the sun is just idiotic. Anyway, back on topic, if this crazy shit is happening because of a book, then the sun really does need to set on this series... dumb asses... but I'm done.
The original vampires were indeed only severely weakened by the sunlight (mostly they were reduced to little more than shambling corpses) the reasoning behind this was that well, nobody saw them durring the day therefore they must have a weakness during the sunlight hours. Most vampires, however, were either simply psychotic humans, or simply decaying corpses.
Long story short, vampires were created by Slavic tribesmen to explain the forms of decomposition that occur in a corpse buried in cold wet soil as well as the occasional mysterious death.
Also, in original folklore it was really impossible to "kill" a vampire due to it being dead already, and since the belief of the time was that the earth had to accept the soul (vampires arising because the earth rejected the soul) mostly by staking it to the ground (to prevent attacks on humans in case the next part fails and to sort of ham-fistedly force the soul into the earth. This is also where the "heart" mythos comes form, though originally, it was just through the center mass to ensure the stake held.) and remove the head, which was then stuffed with holy wafers, coated in holy water, and hidden (should the head ever be found the vampire would be resurrected immediately)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvyrG1e3D5I&NR=1
relevant
As far as sparkling in the sun goes (among other things), I would have appreciated it if they at least made a concession to the effect of "'vampire' is what we call ourselves; close enough". Did I mention part of what got me through the first movie was mentally sticking to the moniker of "Cold Ones (http://www.hrwiki.org/wiki/Cold_One)"?
That said, from what I can tell, the "sparkling" bit wasn't just something that she decided ought to be a vampire trait, so much as part of the dream that inspired the whole book to begin with. If I had a dream that inspired me to write a fantasy book and whatever creature it introduced me to sparkled in the sunlight, I know I would keep that in there.
And it just so happens that Twilight's target audience (described earlier) glees over sexy "vampires" who sparkle in the sunlight.
To me Twilight is all a cheap knock off of the Southern Vampire Novels series. I mean this wasn't an original idea not to mention they took the vampiric traits out of vampires. I mean not dying in the sun? What the hell is the point of not being a vampire if that doesn't happen? I read the first book and was flabberghasted at how this was popular. Then I remembered the intelligence of "scene" girls.
I'm a fan of the books, not a hard-core-kill-you-if-you-say-a-single-bad-thing-about-it fan, but still a fan. And I belive they could have got someone better to play Bella. And Edward.
You know what? I would have been neutral towards the books and movies if they didn't call them "vampires", because reading minds, twinkling in the sun, enhanced physical capabilities, and feeding on life force is more like stories of old evil fey. I would have found that much more reasonable, but they called them vampires and there wasn't any problem with being a vampire other than the characters' own stipulations about vampirism. The biggest problem I have is that they don't die in the sunlight! I understand trying to make your works unique but don't just completely take out a part of the mythology to fit your own ends!
Anyone else think we need a romance novel about a young teenage girl falling in love with a Deep One?
Quote from: Kafzeil on December 22, 2009, 09:00:11 PM
Anyone else think we need a romance novel about a young teenage girl falling in love with a Deep One?
That depends, is it a shiny fair version of a Deep One or an actual true to the mythos Deep One? Because the former, no. The latter, yes.
I'd rather it be inbetween. Not shiny or hideous.
Quote from: Rakala on December 22, 2009, 01:33:36 PMThe biggest problem I have is that they don't die in the sunlight! I understand trying to make your works unique but don't just completely take out a part of the mythology to fit your own ends!
I think it's been mentioned in this topic before, but didn't the original mythology of vampires, including Bram Stoker's version, have vampires that were just weakened in the sunlight.
Excuse me for pointing this out, I'm just really trying to wrap my head around people defending the "true" version of something that doesn't exist in the first place.
Really? I had not heard that before. Still weakened in sunlight is at least something, though it makes the sparkly shiny sparkly make more sense (not that I dislike it any less). I will have to reassess the situation. And just to clarify, that wasn't my only problem with the books. I also dislike them for having a bad story, being poorly written, and having unlikable characters.
Let's just agree that this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKdGwfMD8u8) is the best vampire story ever written and leave it at that.
I think the Twilight books need a visit from Marlow from 30 Days of Night. I stand by this mental image 100%...