Dear Lord. Abel face scares me in the last panel.
Make-up is serious business!
Of course, sleeves would be far more efficient, but since Abel is so much older than I we'll go with him for now. But if he does Dan's eyeshadow and mascara and base, Abel's claims to straightness will be severely infringed.
Abel's made claims to straightness?
I say he is Abelsexual. He can be whatever he wants to be.
Quote from: Netrogo on June 13, 2009, 03:12:02 AM
Abel's made claims to straightness?
Good point. Okay, how about "potential claims to Abel's straightness?" Does that work better?
Though, to be fair, I can do eyeshadow and base and blush, but that's because I've acted before.
Quote from: OminousShadow on June 13, 2009, 03:12:55 AM
I say he is Abelsexual. He can be whatever he wants to be.
Abelsexual? I like that. Does this explain why everyone is attracted to him?
EDIT: I'd just like to submit that I find Jy's "deer in headlights" face adorable.
It's a possibilty, Jairus.
Anyway...
Abel is angry. Something's not going right.
Where'd he get the makeup, anyway?
Quote from: insidexml on June 13, 2009, 03:28:15 AM
Where'd he get the makeup, anyway?
"Make-Up 4 U" down at the mall.
I knew it! since the clan mark can't be disguised by majic it must be disguised with mundane means. Or jirus could find a way to hide it with a patch
XD I can see Able taking makeup classes he did afterall take grass growing I'd think makeup would have been a step up from that
Quote from: Jairus on June 13, 2009, 03:13:39 AM
Quote from: Netrogo on June 13, 2009, 03:12:02 AM
Abel's made claims to straightness?
Good point. Okay, how about "potential claims to Abel's straightness?" Does that work better?
Quote from: OminousShadow on June 13, 2009, 03:12:55 AM
I say he is Abelsexual. He can be whatever he wants to be.
Abelsexual? I like that. Does this explain why everyone is attracted to him?
If Abel is gay 400 or so years is more than enough time to figure it out, so he is either strait or bi. I just don't believe the gay thing
Quote from: LoneHowler on June 13, 2009, 03:43:06 AM
I knew it! since the clan mark can't be disguised by majic it must be disguised with mundane means. Or jirus could find a way to hide it with a patch
XD I can see Able taking makeup classes he did afterall take grass growing I'd think makeup would have been a step up from that
The next strip will most likely be something like this snippet from a Japanese live-action show called Kamen Rider Kabuto. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjkcodqPySw) Warning: bleeped out bad word at the end.
Quote from: LoneHowler on June 13, 2009, 03:43:06 AM
I knew it! since the clan mark can't be disguised by majic it must be disguised with mundane means. Or jirus could find a way to hide it with a patch
XD I can see Able taking makeup classes he did afterall take grass growing I'd think makeup would have been a step up from that
Okay, I get it--that's what the makeup is for. I got confused....
But yeah, that's a...*ahem*...hardcore expression on Abel's face there....
Oh and to Ambers pen dilema. I forget the name brand but my favorate inking pens are a drafting set that Staples carries it comes in .1-.7 I think. Damn if I wernt camping and have left the pens at home I'd have a more definate answer
Quote from: LoneHowler on June 13, 2009, 03:52:32 AM
Oh and to Ambers pen dilema. I forget the name brand but my favorate inking pens are a drafting set that Staples carries it comes in .1-.7 I think. Damn if I wernt camping and have left the pens at home I'd have a more definate answer
Are they Staedtler's? I mean, I'm just asking, because the four I have come in the same range. Those are the pens I use, and they seem to work fine enough for me.
Quote from: Jairus on June 13, 2009, 03:45:26 AM
Quote from: LoneHowler on June 13, 2009, 03:43:06 AM
I knew it! since the clan mark can't be disguised by majic it must be disguised with mundane means. Or jirus could find a way to hide it with a patch
XD I can see Able taking makeup classes he did afterall take grass growing I'd think makeup would have been a step up from that
The next strip will most likely be something like this snippet from a Japanese live-action show called Kamen Rider Kabuto. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjkcodqPySw) Warning: bleeped out bad word at the end.
Yeah I see make up style battles between me and Abel would gone like that
Quote from: Jairus on June 13, 2009, 03:54:19 AM
Quote from: LoneHowler on June 13, 2009, 03:52:32 AM
Oh and to Ambers pen dilema. I forget the name brand but my favorate inking pens are a drafting set that Staples carries it comes in .1-.7 I think. Damn if I wernt camping and have left the pens at home I'd have a more definate answer
Are they Staedtler's? I mean, I'm just asking, because the four I have come in the same range. Those are the pens I use, and they seem to work fine enough for me.
Yes! Thankyou those are the ones I was talking about
you guys never considered that Abel could be talking about 'making up for lost time' as he'd been slacking off 'showing Dan the ropes' as of late.
edit: wha?... you mean they're stopping making them zig millenniums?... dang.
Once again Dan gets the chance to be even more feminine. Poor Dan can't get a break from thees jokes, ever since page 83.
:U scary abel is scary
Also on Abel saying Dan tapped into his Clans power reserves. The Mark probably appeared because the trademark emotions of Dans Clan os Pain/Suffering and he was wanting to cause that in large amounts to Regina then DP.
Quote from: OminousShadow on June 13, 2009, 04:29:45 AM
Also on Abel saying Dan tapped into his Clans power reserves. The Mark probably appeared because the trademark emotions of Dans Clan os Pain/Suffering and he was wanting to cause that in large amounts to Regina then DP.
Ya and add in the fact DP and Dan were in alot of pain too during/after the fight
I LOVE LOVE LOVE Jyrus's face in that middle panel! xD Absolutley priceless. <333
I'm curious as to how Abel is able to guess that Dan met Cyra. It looks like he was able to deduce this from Fi's 'power up', which kind of makes sense. But the mark was at least starting to form during the battle, and given how rare Tri-Wings are, I'm wondering how he knows they do that kind of thing. Presumably it was something he picked up in a lecture.
But yeah, he doesn't look pleased. I guess he's about to explain that Cyra is not a particularly healthy clan to be in. In the middle Dan seems to be going "Holy hell... it was real!"
I imagine his next question would be "Can't I just shapeshift it out?"
Quote from: Tapewolf on June 13, 2009, 05:38:04 AM
I imagine his next question would be "Can't I just shapeshift it out?"
No, he is going to ask how does he know that Cyra visited him.
Quote from: Tapewolf on June 13, 2009, 05:38:04 AM
I'm curious as to how Abel is able to guess that Dan met Cyra. It looks like he was able to deduce this from Fi's 'power up', which kind of makes sense. But the mark was at least starting to form during the battle, and given how rare Tri-Wings are, I'm wondering how he knows they do that kind of thing. Presumably it was something he picked up in a lecture.
But yeah, he doesn't look pleased. I guess he's about to explain that Cyra is not a particularly healthy clan to be in. In the middle Dan seems to be going "Holy hell... it was real!"
I imagine his next question would be "Can't I just shapeshift it out?"
There's a third possibility. He sees Dan come in with the clan mark formed, after the battle, and he impersonates Cyra in the dream to be able to push Dan in the direction that he wants him to go. To be fair, such amnipulation might be outside of Abel's ethical map, but if Destania can appear as Devin, I don't see why Abel can't appear as a giant Cyra, especially given that there is no way Dan would know what Cyra looks like.
Quote from: Corgatha Taldorthar on June 13, 2009, 06:55:39 AM
There's a third possibility. He sees Dan come in with the clan mark formed, after the battle, and he impersonates Cyra in the dream to be able to push Dan in the direction that he wants him to go. To be fair, such amnipulation might be outside of Abel's ethical map, but if Destania can appear as Devin, I don't see why Abel can't appear as a giant Cyra, especially given that there is no way Dan would know what Cyra looks like.
Interesting theory. I'm not sure I buy it though. There are two main issues I see:
1. Abel hates 'Cubi who impersonate others. He only turned into Merlitz because the alternative - as he believed it - was to leave Dan with someone who was sent to destroy him. That looks more like a moral hangup or Very Sore Point than something he'd apply selectively like that.
2. Assuming that Abel was happy to impersonate Cyra, telling Dan that there are people who can get him back in touch with her is a very weak point in the plan. Because if it was Abel doing it, it would only be possible when Abel was close enough to Dan for it to work. If he asked Fa'Lina or Mab or someone when Abel wasn't around, the scam would collapse very quickly- not least if they put him in touch with the real one.
Oh, I don't buy it either, not with 100% conviction. I'm more trying to present it as plausible than probable. That being said.......
Dan *is* under fire, and quite possibly will not survive without some sort of help. Abel does not seem to know how he got into the DP household and roughed up. And didn't Cyra seem oddly allowing when Dan wanted to discontinue the conversation? Hardly like a protective clan leader here. Granted, it's hard to determine what Abel's actual motivations are, beyond a desire to protect Dan, but given Dan's reactions in the past, a sudden appearance like this might frighten him away from further contact with his clan "Which would be for his own good" if the whole "Cyra Clan and dragons are at each other's throats" thing is true.
Quote from: Tapewolf on June 13, 2009, 07:06:01 AM
Quote from: Corgatha Taldorthar on June 13, 2009, 06:55:39 AM
There's a third possibility. He sees Dan come in with the clan mark formed, after the battle, and he impersonates Cyra in the dream to be able to push Dan in the direction that he wants him to go. To be fair, such amnipulation might be outside of Abel's ethical map, but if Destania can appear as Devin, I don't see why Abel can't appear as a giant Cyra, especially given that there is no way Dan would know what Cyra looks like.
Interesting theory. I'm not sure I buy it though. There are two main issues I see:
1. Abel hates 'Cubi who impersonate others. He only turned into Merlitz because the alternative - as he believed it - was to leave Dan with someone who was sent to destroy him. That looks more like a moral hangup or Very Sore Point than something he'd apply selectively like that.
2. Assuming that Abel was happy to impersonate Cyra, telling Dan that there are people who can get him back in touch with her is a very weak point in the plan. Because if it was Abel doing it, it would only be possible when Abel was close enough to Dan for it to work. If he asked Fa'Lina or Mab or someone when Abel wasn't around, the scam would collapse very quickly- not least if they put him in touch with the real one.
don't forget the ace in the hole: it seems that Cubi, no matter what form they take, can't hide their clan mark.
I think we're all missing the big question, which would be, where is Dan getting all of his sleeveless turtleneck shirts? :P
Do dreamscape rules apply? Dan's Clan symbol goes missing during the conversation there...........
Also, we never do see "Cyra's" back. Now, we do see the symbol in front, but do we have anything that prove that a 'cubi cannot forge the clan symbol of another clan onto him/herself?
Quote from: Turnsky on June 13, 2009, 07:16:58 AM
don't forget the ace in the hole: it seems that Cubi, no matter what form they take, can't hide their clan mark.
Just a guess, but that probably doesn't apply to their in-dream projections.
EDIT:
It doesn't - Dan's mark is missing in the dream.
Quote from: Corgatha Taldorthar on June 13, 2009, 07:15:53 AM
And didn't Cyra seem oddly allowing when Dan wanted to discontinue the conversation? Hardly like a protective clan leader here.
It may just be that she's waited 7000 years for a grandchild and couldn't restrain herself when she finally had the power to talk to him :P
Quote from: Corgatha Taldorthar on June 13, 2009, 07:18:43 AM
Also, we never do see "Cyra's" back. Now, we do see the symbol in front, but do we have anything that prove that a 'cubi cannot forge the clan symbol of another clan onto him/herself?
I'm sure they could if they wanted to.
Quote from: Corgatha Taldorthar on June 13, 2009, 07:15:53 AM
Dan *is* under fire, and quite possibly will not survive without some sort of help. Abel does not seem to know how he got into the DP household and roughed up. And didn't Cyra seem oddly allowing when Dan wanted to discontinue the conversation? Hardly like a protective clan leader here. Granted, it's hard to determine what Abel's actual motivations are, beyond a desire to protect Dan, but given Dan's reactions in the past, a sudden appearance like this might frighten him away from further contact with his clan "Which would be for his own good" if the whole "Cyra Clan and dragons are at each other's throats" thing is true.
I think what Abel is trying to do is get Dan back into SAIA, so he can get back to his own life and not have to worry so much about protecting Dan. He wasn't too happy to go with him in the first place if I recall, even though he does show genuine concern for Dan's well being. By all accounts, he should be safe in Fa'Lina's domain.
Quote from: Scarydragon on June 13, 2009, 07:17:04 AM
I think we're all missing the big question, which would be, where is Dan getting all of his sleeveless turtleneck shirts? :P
At the mall?
Abel's remark in the second panel,"...who I can only guess you met while dreaming," leads me to believe that clan founders visiting the newest "awakened" members through dream interactions is a common event.
My first though on panel one was 'not very observant is he?' but then I remembered the number of times I've found cuts/scrapes and have no idea how I got them
Quote from: proeliator bradypodidae on June 13, 2009, 07:59:53 AM
Abel's remark in the second panel,"...who I can only guess you met while dreaming," leads me to believe that clan founders visiting the newest "awakened" members through dream interactions is a common event.
Yes, ish. The thing is that there's only about 12 clans who have a Founder in the whole world. That said, it's entirely possible that a Clan's official leader (Founder or no) may be able to do this kind of thing as well to a lesser extent.
Quote from: Tapewolf on June 13, 2009, 08:10:26 AM
Quote from: proeliator bradypodidae on June 13, 2009, 07:59:53 AM
Abel's remark in the second panel,"...who I can only guess you met while dreaming," leads me to believe that clan founders visiting the newest "awakened" members through dream interactions is a common event.
Yes, ish. The thing is that there's only about 12 clans who have a Founder in the whole world. That said, it's entirely possible that a Clan's official leader (Founder or no) may be able to do this kind of thing as well to a lesser extent.
Noted. Perhaps 'common' was a poor choice, however, I would venture to say it is not 'uncommon,' albeit possible rare.
There is a class of males in the U.S. where the application of makeup is in no way tied to the mans masculinity, or lack there of:
http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss294/shewbird/MakeupArtists.jpg
(yes, I'm in the photo)
When in doubt of hiding places, Makeup!
also, by the sounds of what Abel was saying in the second Panel, it's quite possible/likely that this is a common occurance for Cubi both in SAIA and out of SAIA...... people at SAIA could have told him it happened, it could've happened to him, heck, with 375 years under his belt at SAIA, it's more than likely he'd become used to what happens
Well, we're assuming that this talk that Cyra has with Dan is uncommon for Cubi. But I thought most cubi have some sort of link with their founder[EDIT] provided they have one. [EDIT] I'd wager a guess that Dan tapping into his power reserves is what allowed Fi to grow and also cause Cyra to be able to talk to him. I'd also wager a guess that whenever a cubi comes into power and becomes aware of their situation, their clan founder pops in to say hello via that link. Abel was an exception because his clan founder was dead when he came into power. If cubi are fond enough of their clan leader to go to war and get massacred for the sake of their founder, I'm sure there is some sort of reason other than "Well she leads us and if she dies we'll decline in power." Well, maybe not for all of them, but I'd like to think for some of them.
Here Class, because you did nothing for the last 2 months we have a make up test for you.
*blinks the class's reaction*
Goddamnit! No!
Put down the mascara and blush now!
TEST! Not makeup!
Quote from: Dracora on June 13, 2009, 10:53:26 AM
Well, we're assuming that this talk that Cyra has with Dan is uncommon for Cubi. But I thought most cubi have some sort of link with their founder.
Most 'Cubi simply don't have a founder.
EDIT:
Quote from: Dracora on June 13, 2009, 10:53:26 AM
Abel was an exception because his clan founder was dead when he came into power.
That I think is the part you've got backwards - Abel was an exception because his dad was a bastard (or to be more sympathetic, driven insane with grief) but coming in to power after the demise of his clan's founder is pretty normal.
The 'Cubi race is about 100'000 years old, and in that time there have been less than 200 Tri-Winged founders, ever. Of these, about 12 are still around and AFAIK at least one of those has lost their clan (clan founders can't reproduce).
Quote from: Drathorin on June 13, 2009, 10:55:03 AM
Here Class, because you did nothing for the last 2 months we have a make up test for you.
*blinks the class's reaction*
Goddamnit! No!
Put down the mascara and blush now!
TEST! Not makeup!
finally, somebody who THINKS. >:3
look folks, the fact of the matter is, that Abel is holding two large shopping bags.
A) Makup is wasted on fur
B) There's no way in hell that would be cosmetics
C) "Make-up" could
very well mean to make up for lost time, as in all that missed learning Dan had because Abel had been slacking off, events have made him realise his error.
D) a sleeved shirt would be far more practical.
of course expecting logic from you folks is like expecting the boils associated with smallpox to explode with rainbows.
Quote from: Turnsky on June 13, 2009, 11:18:16 AM
look folks, the fact of the matter is, that Abel is holding two large shopping bags.
A) Makup is wasted on fur
B) There's no way in hell that would be cosmetics
Xander begs to differ: http://missmab.com/Comics/Abel_41.php
EDIT:
Actually, you might want to read page 549 as well.
QuoteC) "Make-up" could very well mean to make up for lost time, as in all that missed learning Dan had because Abel had been slacking off, events have made him realise his error.
That's not the way he's phrased it, though.
QuoteD) a sleeved shirt would be far more practical.
That I grant.
magical tatoo shop eh?
I should see about slapping on some mascara on my shoulder and see if tatoos overnight.
If Doom had a face it looked like Abel in the last panel
Quote from: Drathorin on June 13, 2009, 11:40:56 AM
magical tatoo shop eh?
That's what the man said. Now, since tattooing the way we know it obviously won't work when the skin is covered in fur, that's not strictly what his sister did. But the fact remains that they have a way to create coloured marks on fur, and that's one possible approach to the problem Dan faces at the moment.
EDIT:
See also Fa'Lina's comment about Abel in 549.
Quote from: Tapewolf on June 13, 2009, 11:34:25 AM
Quote from: Turnsky on June 13, 2009, 11:18:16 AM
look folks, the fact of the matter is, that Abel is holding two large shopping bags.
A) Makup is wasted on fur
B) There's no way in hell that would be cosmetics
Xander begs to differ: http://missmab.com/Comics/Abel_41.php
Tattoo =! Makeup
Quote
QuoteC) "Make-up" could very well mean to make up for lost time, as in all that missed learning Dan had because Abel had been slacking off, events have made him realise his error.
That's not the way he's phrased it, though.
Yet that's how i understood what it, funny that. Folks automatically assume "oh, DMFA Hilarity, let's assume that Abel's gonna paint Dan's shoulder marking so it blends in." And my mind processed other, logical trains of thought, i've had many a teacher tell me that it was time for a little make-up to students, and often it means that some degree of learning had been missed, and folks had to catch up.
Now, take into consideration that Fa'Lina sent Abel to lost lake
for the purpose of teaching Dan the basics of being an incubus, and truth be told, he has been slacking off for the most part. Then with other recent events, such as Dan's proverbial "Big red bullseye" of a Clan marking appearing, and Fi leveling up, you get one annoyed, and perhaps panicked Abel, whom needs to make-up (there's that word again, gasp!) for lost time.
C'mon Turn.
Let's not be logical here.
Everyone is too anxious to see some sort of inkling that Abel is Gay for Abel.
That and their minds can only process -one- train of thought.
That and so what if these guys have No experience with any of the magical words being spoke like what makeup is.
Because I bet most of the people here haven't touched, or seen it as they still have yet to enter the real world or see a woman with it on.
Edit:
What's in the box? Maybe study supplies like pens, papers, tape, books, reading material, spell lists, components.
No no, scratch that. That'd be practical to teach someone magic.
Quote from: Turnsky on June 13, 2009, 11:46:36 AM
Tattoo =! Makeup
I will say it again for your benefit:
"Since tattooing the way we know it obviously won't work when the skin is covered in fur, that's not strictly what his sister did. But the fact remains that they have a way to create coloured marks on fur."
See also page 549.
QuoteYet that's how i understood what it, funny that. Folks automatically assume "oh, DMFA Hilarity, let's assume that Abel's gonna paint Dan's shoulder marking so it blends in." And my mind processed other, logical trains of thought, i've had many a teacher tell me that it was time for a little make-up to students, and often it means that some degree of learning had been missed, and folks had to catch up.
One of my problems is that for any given phrase I will usually see about three different interpretations and usually pick the wrong one. But that's my problem.
What you have said is indeed a possible interpretation, but to be honest, it fails the simplicity test. Let's assume your interpretation is correct - what special 'Cubi skill is Abel going to teach Dan? It says in the Demonology that a 'Cubi cannot change their own marking magically, so that pretty much leaves mundane means unless I'm missing something big.
QuoteNow, take into consideration that Fa'Lina sent Abel to lost lake for the purpose of teaching Dan the basics of being an incubus, and truth be told, he has been slacking off for the most part. Then with other recent events, such as Dan's proverbial "Big red bullseye" of a Clan marking appearing, and Fi leveling up, you get one annoyed, and perhaps panicked Abel, whom needs to make-up (there's that word again, gasp!) for lost time.
That may be. But part of being an incubus may very well include 'how to cover that bulls-eye that is your clan mark'.
EDIT:
Oh and Drath - meditate on rule 2.
Quote from: Tapewolf
What you have said is indeed a possible interpretation, but to be honest, it fails the simplicity test. Let's assume your interpretation is correct - what special 'Cubi skill is Abel going to teach Dan? It says in the Demonology that a 'Cubi cannot change their own marking magically, so that pretty much leaves mundane means unless I'm missing something big.
Who said -anything- that Abel was going to make Dan's mark -go- away.
That's not what Fa'lina sent him to do.
And if Dan can't
learn anything special from cubi. .
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Quote from: Drathorin on June 13, 2009, 12:02:39 PM
Who said -anything- that Abel was going to make Dan's mark -go- away.
That's not what Fa'lina sent him to do.
Fa'Lina sent him to make sure Dan doesn't get himself killed until such time he is happy to join the academy of his own volition. If Dan runs around in public with that symbol on his arm, he runs the risk of being killed.
Since he doesn't yet seem to be willing to hit the academy, it needs to be hidden, one way or another.
Quote from: Tapewolf on June 13, 2009, 12:06:06 PM
Quote from: Drathorin on June 13, 2009, 12:02:39 PM
Who said -anything- that Abel was going to make Dan's mark -go- away.
That's not what Fa'lina sent him to do.
Fa'Lina sent him to make sure Dan doesn't get himself killed until such time he is happy to join the academy of his own volition. If Dan runs around in public with that symbol on his arm, he runs the risk of being killed.
Since he doesn't yet seem to be willing to hit the academy, it needs to be hidden, one way or another.
Dang, I thought Fa'lina meant it when she wanted Dan to learn how to do his own mind shields and things like that :<
Quote from: Tapewolf on June 13, 2009, 11:57:49 AM
Quote from: Turnsky on June 13, 2009, 11:46:36 AM
Tattoo =! Makeup
I will say it again for your benefit:
"Since tattooing the way we know it obviously won't work when the skin is covered in fur, that's not strictly what his sister did. But the fact remains that they have a way to create coloured marks on fur."
See also page 549.
wow, and i thought the ISS travelled pretty far over heads. Simple fact being that literally, Tattoos ARE NOT Makeup. i could go on about the classical definition of what tattoos are vs makeup, but i'm pretty sure it'll fly over your head also, on the subject of page 549 that you're so willing to cite:
:shapeshifters
all i see is eyeliner, and lipstick... i doubt anybody would dunk themselves in white, speckled makeup.
Quote
What you have said is indeed a possible interpretation, but to be honest, it fails the simplicity test. Let's assume your interpretation is correct - what special 'Cubi skill is Abel going to teach Dan? It says in the Demonology that a 'Cubi cannot change their own marking magically, so that pretty much leaves mundane means unless I'm missing something big.
How's about basic self defense? some magic? how to shapeshift, and a myriad of other fun cubi things?
and it was a fairly simple conclusion for me, Tape.
Quote from: Tapewolf on June 13, 2009, 11:45:39 AM
But the fact remains that they have a way to create coloured marks on fur, and that's one possible approach to the problem Dan faces at the moment.
Hair dye?
Cubi can use shape shifting to change the color of individual strands of hair, but I believe that there was a previous statement that cubi can't use shape shifting to alter the clan mark. (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_690.php)
Edit:
If you google "wakeup with makeup", you will see a number of places that offer what they call cosmetic tattoos.
Shirts.
They are awesome, and since it's on Dan's shoulder he can even wear T-shirts.
The only problem is if he's gonna wander around wearing a wife beater, or no upper clothing at all
Quote from: Turnsky on June 13, 2009, 12:08:32 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on June 13, 2009, 11:57:49 AM
Quote from: Turnsky on June 13, 2009, 11:46:36 AM
Tattoo =! Makeup
I will say it again for your benefit:
"Since tattooing the way we know it obviously won't work when the skin is covered in fur, that's not strictly what his sister did. But the fact remains that they have a way to create coloured marks on fur."
See also page 549.
wow, and i thought the ISS travelled pretty far over heads. Simple fact being that literally, Tattoos ARE NOT Makeup. i could go on about the classical definition of what tattoos are vs makeup, but i'm pretty sure it'll fly over your head also, on the subject of page 549 that you're so willing to cite:
:shapeshifters
all i see is eyeliner, and lipstick... i doubt anybody would dunk themselves in white, speckled makeup.
Quote
What you have said is indeed a possible interpretation, but to be honest, it fails the simplicity test. Let's assume your interpretation is correct - what special 'Cubi skill is Abel going to teach Dan? It says in the Demonology that a 'Cubi cannot change their own marking magically, so that pretty much leaves mundane means unless I'm missing something big.
How's about basic self defense? some magic? how to shapeshift, and a myriad of other fun cubi things?
and it was a fairly simple conclusion for me, Tape.
Turnsky, you may want to watch your tone. You're stepping pretty close to the rule-breaking line, and while I'm not certain if you wanted to come across as that gruff, the way it reads makes you like like a bigger ass*ole than me.
Quote from: Darkmoon Firelyte on June 13, 2009, 12:29:23 PM
Quote from: Turnsky on June 13, 2009, 12:08:32 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on June 13, 2009, 11:57:49 AM
Quote from: Turnsky on June 13, 2009, 11:46:36 AM
Tattoo =! Makeup
I will say it again for your benefit:
"Since tattooing the way we know it obviously won't work when the skin is covered in fur, that's not strictly what his sister did. But the fact remains that they have a way to create coloured marks on fur."
See also page 549.
wow, and i thought the ISS travelled pretty far over heads. Simple fact being that literally, Tattoos ARE NOT Makeup. i could go on about the classical definition of what tattoos are vs makeup, but i'm pretty sure it'll fly over your head also, on the subject of page 549 that you're so willing to cite:
:shapeshifters
all i see is eyeliner, and lipstick... i doubt anybody would dunk themselves in white, speckled makeup.
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What you have said is indeed a possible interpretation, but to be honest, it fails the simplicity test. Let's assume your interpretation is correct - what special 'Cubi skill is Abel going to teach Dan? It says in the Demonology that a 'Cubi cannot change their own marking magically, so that pretty much leaves mundane means unless I'm missing something big.
How's about basic self defense? some magic? how to shapeshift, and a myriad of other fun cubi things?
and it was a fairly simple conclusion for me, Tape.
Turnsky, you may want to watch your tone. You're stepping pretty close to the rule-breaking line, and while I'm not certain if you wanted to come across as that gruff, the way it reads makes you like like a bigger ass*ole than me.
apologies, i didn't mean it to come across as confrontational, more like calm debate, but i digress.
edit: I could palm it off with an excuse that i've had a real taxing week, but everybody has bad weeks, it shouldn't affect my attitude online at all, but this week, apparently, has somehow. To that i'd like to apologise, i'm usually more relaxed online.
Maaaaaaaakeover!~~~~~
Dan's going to be FA-BU-LOUS!
WAAARGH.
When I read the "wakeup with some makeup" I heard it in the deep, booming voice from that "Chop-Suey" song, along with Abel's face...
WAARGH.
(And a question on hiding Clan-Marks, couldn't Dan just shape-shift his entire body blue so the mark would still be there, but "invisibile"?)
Quote from: Lucheek on June 13, 2009, 01:18:30 PM
(And a question on hiding Clan-Marks, couldn't Dan just shape-shift his entire body blue so the mark would still be there, but "invisibile"?)
It's been suggested before, but we're none the wiser as to whether it would fly. If the mark glowed or something it would make that plan impractical, but I seem to recall Amber nixed that idea (that it would glow) so in principle it should work.
Not to mention that we're only working with our spectrum of sight anyway. For all we know, magical sight will instantly detect the cubi marking no matter how much mundane coverup you do. For instance, Matilda can tell that Dan is a cubi without any sort of physical symptoms, presumably by her third eye. (feathered wings are not immediately associated as cubi only after all, and is likely a somewhat common symptom of magically-attuned being adventurers)
Even so, conventional makeup would probably help as a first line of disguise, for conventional beings. I imagine that make-up would only be one of the many measures Abel's going/planning to do, in addition to refashioning his robes yet again, and teaching Dan the in/outs of Cyra (seeing that he probably doesn't even know about Cyra's relationship with dragons), and of clan symbols in general (again, all he knows about clan symbols is only from adventuring..). At least until Jyrras manages to speak out that he can probably make a patch to mostly hide the clan symbol anyway. (Possibly one of the reasons why Mab is so interested in getting Jyrras to speed up his patch development..)
(and as for Abel knowing that Dan came into power... he has read a complete dossier of Dan, which I presume has friendly tidbits of the Cyra clan as well.)
Quote from: Psaakyrn on June 13, 2009, 01:45:06 PM
For all we know, magical sight will instantly detect the cubi marking no matter how much mundane coverup you do. For instance, Matilda can tell that Dan is a cubi without any sort of physical symptoms, presumably by her third eye.
In strip 640, she says "You have a good soul... that is what I noticed first about you when you came in with your friend to my shop". At the risk of taking this too much at face value, it's not impossible that she is literally able to perceive souls. If so, it would certainly explain how she knew what he was at a glance, despite there being few outward signs.
Quote(and as for Abel knowing that Dan came into power... he has read a complete dossier of Dan, which I presume has friendly tidbits of the Cyra clan as well.)
If you mean that he's read that Dan has come into power, no, because that event only happened when he fought DP just now.
If you mean that he's read that Dan is a Cyra Clan incubus, then yes, that would certainly be in the dossier, if only because he knows who Dan's mother is.
I'm going to side with learning for the "body art versus learning" debate on what Abel meant by 'make-up'. Abel's goal was to protect and presumably teach self-defense to Dan until Dan comes to SAIA. Not having done a whole lot of that, and seeing that Dan just came to power and was in a big struggle, it'd be a good time to catch up. Also, Abel has done nothing to hide the Cyra Clan symbols in the inn, and all the factions against Cyra clan seem to already know about Dan to some extent. Hiding it seems pointless by now.
Quote from: Lucheek on June 13, 2009, 01:18:30 PM
(And a question on hiding Clan-Marks, couldn't Dan just shape-shift his entire body blue so the mark would still be there, but "invisibile"?)
Cubi cannot, in any magical way, hide their markings. I assume that doing as you suggested would just make the marking glow, or perhaps they cannot become the color of the marking.
Quote from: Lucheek on June 13, 2009, 01:18:30 PM
When I read the "wakeup with some makeup" I heard it in the deep, booming voice from that "Chop-Suey" song, along with Abel's face...
Serj Tankian.
Quote from: Caph Abash on June 13, 2009, 02:14:00 PM
I'm going to side with learning for the "body art versus learning" debate on what Abel meant by 'make-up'. Abel's goal was to protect and presumably teach self-defense to Dan until Dan comes to SAIA. Not having done a whole lot of that, and seeing that Dan just came to power and was in a big struggle, it'd be a good time to catch up. Also, Abel has done nothing to hide the Cyra Clan symbols in the inn,
This is true, but AFAIK all the Cyra portraits are in private areas of the inn, such as Dan's room, the master bedroom and so forth.
Quoteand all the factions against Cyra clan seem to already know about Dan to some extent.
I'm not sure about that. According to Biggs' intelligence and Fa'Lina's comments shortly after, the Dragons don't know about Dan at all and IMHO this whole exercise is about ensuring that remains the case.
DP is a separate issue, though things would get nasty if he informed the dragons about Dan.
QuoteCubi cannot, in any magical way, hide their markings. I assume that doing as you suggested would just make the marking glow, or perhaps they cannot become the color of the marking.
The interesting thing is that a number of 'Cubi seem to have the marking the same colour as the primaries of theirs wings, or the wing colour itself for demon-type wings.
There are lots of counter-examples (Cyra for example) but Dan, Aniz, Siar and Aary all seem to have this trait. While what you propose is possible, I'd be surprised personally.
Quote from: Tapewolf on June 13, 2009, 02:02:25 PM
Quote from: Psaakyrn on June 13, 2009, 01:45:06 PM
For all we know, magical sight will instantly detect the cubi marking no matter how much mundane coverup you do. For instance, Matilda can tell that Dan is a cubi without any sort of physical symptoms, presumably by her third eye.
In strip 640, she says "You have a good soul... that is what I noticed first about you when you came in with your friend to my shop". At the risk of taking this too much at face value, it's not impossible that she is literally able to perceive souls. If so, it would certainly explain how she knew what he was at a glance, despite there being few outward signs.
Quote(and as for Abel knowing that Dan came into power... he has read a complete dossier of Dan, which I presume has friendly tidbits of the Cyra clan as well.)
If you mean that he's read that Dan has come into power, no, because that event only happened when he fought DP just now.
If you mean that he's read that Dan is a Cyra Clan incubus, then yes, that would certainly be in the dossier, if only because he knows who Dan's mother is.
Well, being able to percieve souls is still an extrasensory capability, which was my point anyway: conventional methods of hiding doesn't prevent detection by extrasensory means.
I meant from Dan's dossier that it would contain info on how to tell if/when Dan comes to power, what symptoms to look out for, what's so special about Cyra (though the part about dragons is likely common knowledge), and etc
Also, technically, dragons (or at least, a lower/younger/intelligence-impaired one) do know about Dan, though probably not the lineage with Cyra. Assuming that Dragons do all hate Cyra, and the dragon isn't acting, of cause.; I wouldn't be suprized if there're factions of dragons, only one of which hates Cyra. (also, not including Pyroduck, which is in all likelyhood a rogue dragon anyway)
Quote from: Psaakyrn on June 13, 2009, 02:38:30 PM
I meant from Dan's dossier that it would contain info on how to tell if/when Dan comes to power, what symptoms to look out for, what's so special about Cyra (though the part about dragons is likely common knowledge), and etc
Ah, yes. That would make a lot of sense.
Mostly, I'm aroused by the prospect of an 80's make-up montage. Especially if Hy
I wonder if Abel knows Dan is Cyra's grandson and not just s Cyra clan incubus. If he doesn't than we have a lot of flashbacking, dialoging, explaining, describing, inberesing (or ocword) moments and finally lots of revealed secrets, waiting fore us.
Quote from: Lucheek on June 13, 2009, 01:18:30 PM
(And a question on hiding Clan-Marks, couldn't Dan just shape-shift his entire body blue so the mark would still be there, but "invisibile"?)
Maybe that's why we haven't seen Destania's marking yet — not because it's on a part of her we've always seen covered by clothes, but because her fur's the same shade of blue. After all, there isn't a lot of contrast between Cyra's fur and marking colours.
(I thought for a moment we had the same situation with Fa'lina, but I'd misremembered the colour of her marking: not white, but light purple. Although if she's in the habit of shapeshifting her clothes, maybe it's always covered with purple "cloth"...)
Dan's life is in danger. Abel is supposed to guard him...
I'd guess Abel would naturally want to get Dan into the safety of Saia as quickly as possible. The obvious answer would be to use Fi to teleport Dan immediately, but maybe there's some problem related to Fi growing larger..? Anyway, what I see in Abel's face is a sort of "Follow me if you want to live!" moment.
We know that Dan is not skilled in altering his appearance, and so Abel will have to help somehow.
Whether or not the bags contain "make-up", maybe Abel knows a way to alter the fur around a clan mark temporarily. The mark can't be hidden, but might be made less recognizable.
Quote from: Attic Rat on June 13, 2009, 03:45:42 PM
Whether or not the bags contain "make-up", maybe Abel knows a way to alter the fur around a clan mark temporarily. The mark can't be hidden, but might be made less recognizable.
He's going to cut one of the bags up and stick the bits to Dan's shoulder The other bag contains sellotape and scissors.
I suppose abel could make t look like a kitty. it would e easy enough to raw eyes and whiskers
Here I am to make a newbish comment!
...
Abel, put your a shirt on!
Does Dan know he's Lorenda's 'boyfriend' yet? After all, both times that statement was made (He[Dan] is my/my daughter's boyfriend) Dan wasn't near enough to hear it. And Aliph never yelled why Dan had reached a new low to Dan, just that he had.
I'm not in any way suggesting Abel will do this or even thought of this.
But hypothetically, if the 'cubi's clan mark is on a limb, and that limb gets severed, is the 'cbui then "incognito" (at least as far as clan markings are concerned.) What if the limb gets regenerated? Can Cubi' use their shapeshifting to regrow lost limbs?
Blah blah blah.
*sticks up an Ignore me, I'm a boring Nerd sign.*
Quote from: Attic Rat on June 13, 2009, 03:45:42 PM
Dan's life is in danger. Abel is supposed to guard him...
I'd guess Abel would naturally want to get Dan into the safety of Saia as quickly as possible. The obvious answer would be to use Fi to teleport Dan immediately, but maybe there's some problem related to Fi growing larger..? Anyway, what I see in Abel's face is a sort of "Follow me if you want to live!" moment.
We know that Dan is not skilled in altering his appearance, and so Abel will have to help somehow.
Whether or not the bags contain "make-up", maybe Abel knows a way to alter the fur around a clan mark temporarily. The mark can't be hidden, but might be made less recognizable.
The main issue with teleporting Dan to SAIA, is that Dan doesn't want to be there.
Quote from: Corgatha Taldorthar on June 13, 2009, 05:45:08 PM
I'm not in any way suggesting Abel will do this or even thought of this.
But hypothetically, if the 'cubi's clan mark is on a limb, and that limb gets severed, is the 'cbui then "incognito" (at least as far as clan markings are concerned.) What if the limb gets regenerated? Can Cubi' use their shapeshifting to regrow lost limbs?
Blah blah blah.
*sticks up an Ignore me, I'm a boring Nerd sign.*
I would guess that the cubi would lose association with his/her/it's clan... and all the benifits associated with it. Though another possibility is that the clan symbol will just reappear in another spot if the cubi tries to use his/her/it's clan's benifits, since the symbol seems linked directly to usage of the clan's power anyway.
Quote from: Corgatha Taldorthar on June 13, 2009, 05:45:08 PM
I'm not in any way suggesting Abel will do this or even thought of this.
But hypothetically, if the 'cubi's clan mark is on a limb, and that limb gets severed, is the 'cbui then "incognito" (at least as far as clan markings are concerned.) What if the limb gets regenerated? Can Cubi' use their shapeshifting to regrow lost limbs?
Blah blah blah.
*sticks up an Ignore me, I'm a boring Nerd sign.*
Amputation does not hide a clan marking. I know this from my learnings.
And by my learnings, I mean
I LEARNED IT FROM READING THE DMFA WIKI ARTICLE WHICH I WROTE. (http://dmfa.wikia.com/wiki/Cubi)
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on June 13, 2009, 07:13:11 PM
And by my learnings, I mean I LEARNED IT FROM READING THE DMFA WIKI ARTICLE WHICH I WROTE. (http://dmfa.wikia.com/wiki/Cubi)
I note that the specifics of this particular detail (footnote 18, for those looking) are from Aaryanna's livejournal, which is, as I recall, not necessarily canon.
Please correct me if I'm wrong there, but I was under the impression Aary-Kitty was someone in cahoots with Amber, without actually _being_ Amber. If that makes sense...
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on June 13, 2009, 09:50:46 PM
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on June 13, 2009, 07:13:11 PM
And by my learnings, I mean I LEARNED IT FROM READING THE DMFA WIKI ARTICLE WHICH I WROTE. (http://dmfa.wikia.com/wiki/Cubi)
I note that the specifics of this particular detail (footnote 18, for those looking) are from Aaryanna's livejournal, which is, as I recall, not necessarily canon.
Please correct me if I'm wrong there, but I was under the impression Aary-Kitty was someone in cahoots with Amber, without actually _being_ Amber. If that makes sense...
Very true, llearch, but considering that said LJ has been cited as gospel in the past by others, it'd be fair to entertain this line of thought, because that's what a discussion forum is all about, discussion of multiple lines of thought. :3
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on June 13, 2009, 07:13:11 PM
Quote from: Corgatha Taldorthar on June 13, 2009, 05:45:08 PM
I'm not in any way suggesting Abel will do this or even thought of this.
But hypothetically, if the 'cubi's clan mark is on a limb, and that limb gets severed, is the 'cbui then "incognito" (at least as far as clan markings are concerned.) What if the limb gets regenerated? Can Cubi' use their shapeshifting to regrow lost limbs?
Blah blah blah.
*sticks up an Ignore me, I'm a boring Nerd sign.*
Amputation does not hide a clan marking. I know this from my learnings.
And by my learnings, I mean I LEARNED IT FROM READING THE DMFA WIKI ARTICLE WHICH I WROTE. (http://dmfa.wikia.com/wiki/Cubi)
Technically I find the thread/portions which describes regeneration... lacking. All it confirms is that it cannot be used as a long term solution, but I sincerely doubt lower-powered cubi can regenerate instantly, proven by that Abel needed to have the rest of his wing found before it can be stiched in. It's more likely Aniz casted a heal spell at that point, which is surprizingly effective. (also note how fast Abel got his wing stiched back in)
Not saying that Cubi can't regenerate fast, but it requires certain levels of power, like being in a clan with a tri-wing, demonstrated by Dan reviving from Wildy beating up Azlan. (though granted the Fae probably increased the pain input or some such)
EDIT: issues posted in the talkpage for that article.
Quote from: proeliator bradypodidae on June 13, 2009, 08:38:19 AM
There is a class of males in the U.S. where the application of makeup is in no way tied to the mans masculinity, or lack there of:
http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss294/shewbird/MakeupArtists.jpg
(yes, I'm in the photo)
Sloppy sloppy. Your ears stick out like jug handles.
Quote from: Turnsky on June 13, 2009, 10:24:23 PM
Very true, llearch, but considering that said LJ has been cited as gospel in the past by others, it'd be fair to entertain this line of thought, because that's what a discussion forum is all about, discussion of multiple lines of thought. :3
Preferably without turning it into a flamewar, I might add...
As for Aary's livejournal, I'm not sure anyone has claimed it's gospel. It's something to take with a pinch of salt, but it
did make a number of predictions which later turned out to be spot-on. YMMV, Past performance is no guarantee of future performance, etc etc.
Quote from: ishidan on June 14, 2009, 02:14:32 AM
Quote from: proeliator bradypodidae on June 13, 2009, 08:38:19 AM
There is a class of males in the U.S. where the application of makeup is in no way tied to the mans masculinity, or lack there of:
http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss294/shewbird/MakeupArtists.jpg
(yes, I'm in the photo)
Sloppy sloppy. Your ears stick out like jug handles.
:ot That isn't the only SNAFU if you really look... it was a Dog & Pony, we were wearing CVC Helmets, and I couldn't understand why a C2 crew were greasing up in the first place (we're inside the vehicles). Gotta look pretty for the VIP photo ops...
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on June 13, 2009, 09:50:46 PM
I note that the specifics of this particular detail (footnote 18, for those looking) are from Aaryanna's livejournal, which is, as I recall, not necessarily canon.
Please correct me if I'm wrong there, but I was under the impression Aary-Kitty was someone in cahoots with Amber, without actually _being_ Amber. If that makes sense...
Aary_Kitty
is Amber.
I think. I think I saw her use the journal to post in Zina's Secret Santa LJ entry.
Actually, another thought: what happens if a cubi uses a patch to morph into something which doesn't have the bodypart in which their clan symbol is on? Granted, the only situation currently available is mow patches on cubi with their clan symbol on their shoulders/chests/back, which technically could be duplicated onto the respective sides of the mow...
(also, in case my previous edits are skipped due to my post being old, I've raised my concerns on the talkpage of the cubi wiki article.)
Quote from: Psaakyrn on June 13, 2009, 06:03:46 PM
The main issue with teleporting Dan to SAIA, is that Dan doesn't want to be there.
Dan doesn't want to go there as a student... He could be persuaded to go there as a warrior.
Edit:
Trim your damn quotes, Attic Rat.
-- llearch n'n'daCorna
Quote from: Attic Rat on June 14, 2009, 06:54:29 PM
Dan doesn't want to go there as a student... He could be persuaded to go there as a warrior.
He also swore pacifism with cubi, so I don't know what you're trying to imply there.
Quote from: Psaakyrn on June 14, 2009, 07:19:45 PM
He also swore pacifism with cubi, so I don't know what you're trying to imply there.
I think he means "to become an incubus adventurer" and use his new skills and powers 'for the good of many' as Ink put it. Not to kick 'cubi ass :P
Quote from: Tapewolf on June 14, 2009, 07:24:23 PM
Quote from: Psaakyrn on June 14, 2009, 07:19:45 PM
He also swore pacifism with cubi, so I don't know what you're trying to imply there.
I think he means "to become an incubus adventurer" and use his new skills and powers 'for the good of many' as Ink put it. Not to kick 'cubi ass :P
That would still imply being a student though, though I may just be misunderstanding here.
Quote from: Psaakyrn on June 14, 2009, 07:49:41 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on June 14, 2009, 07:24:23 PM
Quote from: Psaakyrn on June 14, 2009, 07:19:45 PM
He also swore pacifism with cubi, so I don't know what you're trying to imply there.
I think he means "to become an incubus adventurer" and use his new skills and powers 'for the good of many' as Ink put it. Not to kick 'cubi ass :P
That would still imply being a student though, though I may just be misunderstanding here.
The only other alternative I can think of, is if SAIA needed an Adventurer.
Quote from: inuhanyo on June 14, 2009, 11:05:50 PM
The only other alternative I can think of, is if SAIA needed an Adventurer.
Aunt Fa'lina wants YOU to join the Succubus and Incubus Academy.
Quote from: Turnsky on June 13, 2009, 12:08:32 PM
Tattoos ARE NOT Makeup. i could go on about the classical definition of what tattoos are vs makeup,
Tattoos have been used as permanent makeup, just look at Tammy Faye Baker (IIRC she had some of her makeup permanently applied by tattoo).
Quote from: !KCA on June 14, 2009, 11:13:44 PM
Aunt Fa'lina wants YOU to join the Succubus and Incubus Academy.
*snerk*
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on June 15, 2009, 03:56:39 PM
Quote from: !KCA on June 14, 2009, 11:13:44 PM
Aunt Fa'lina wants YOU to join the Succubus and Incubus Academy.
*snerk*
Someone needs to actually make that poster... :giggle
Quote from: techmaster-glitch on June 15, 2009, 04:08:57 PM
Someone needs to actually make that poster... :giggle
I shall do it!
To the Badmobile! :B
Quote from: Ren Gaulen on June 15, 2009, 04:20:54 PM
Quote from: techmaster-glitch on June 15, 2009, 04:08:57 PM
Someone needs to actually make that poster... :giggle
I shall do it! To the Badmobile! :B
Here it comes...
I want
YOUfor the SAI academy!
(that's just what the actual text should be, I think. And don't forget to color the pic and put it in your art thread! something this awesome should be -completed-!)
Quote from: inuhanyo on June 14, 2009, 11:05:50 PM
Quote from: Psaakyrn on June 14, 2009, 07:49:41 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on June 14, 2009, 07:24:23 PM
Quote from: Psaakyrn on June 14, 2009, 07:19:45 PM
He also swore pacifism with cubi, so I don't know what you're trying to imply there.
I think he means "to become an incubus adventurer" and use his new skills and powers 'for the good of many' as Ink put it. Not to kick 'cubi ass :P
That would still imply being a student though, though I may just be misunderstanding here.
The only other alternative I can think of, is if SAIA needed an Adventurer.
or an adventurer slayer, who better to do the job? (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_528.php)