Me, starting a topic? where is everybody?
Looks like Abels made a friend whether he wants it or not.
Quote from: MT Hazard on June 12, 2009, 05:26:31 AM
Me, starting a topic? where is everybody?
In business meetings about relational database design? :P
QuoteLooks like Abels made a freind wether he wants it or not.
Does that mean Mink is the first to go like Jouster did...?
Is that a "too early in the morning for this" look, or a "do I know you?" look? ;)
Wait a moment... juggling? Things catching fire? The mind boggles. Totally. :erk
"How did you find me?! I locked the doors!"
Quote from: SpottedKitty on June 12, 2009, 07:26:20 AM
Is that a "too early in the morning for this" look, or a "do I know you?" look? ;)
Interesting. We don't know how long Abel has been there, but he probably hasn't got much in the way of a mind-shield yet. Mink (?) should know that he's irritating/startling him...
Quote from: Tapewolf on June 12, 2009, 07:36:09 AM
Interesting. We don't know how long Abel has been there, but he probably hasn't got much in the way of a mind-shield yet. Mink (?) should know that he's irritating/startling him...
Fa'lina could have easily set a mind-shield up for him just as she did for Dan, or Abel himself for Jyras.
To me it just looks like a 'dear lord, when does the talking stop?' expression. :P
I have quite a few friends like that, I can never figure out a way to shut them up that doesn't involve ignoring them or blatantly just yelling at them to can it.
*Charline mrrs* Cubi with big ol tentacles! With suckers too! Fun times for all... ;)
*Alondro wanders in... and back out immediately* It's too strange here! :erk
Hey netrogo:
I'm just like that. Your friends I mean. :P
The look on his face though is just...well...Interesting.
Look, This post would be a lot better if I hadn't just been to a Baroque music concert that absolutly 'wowed' me.
I wonder where Abel got the clothes. Do they offer them free when you join? Dan didn't get any at his short stint at the Academy.
Dan was only there about a day or two.
Abel has been there at least a couple of weeks, by this point.
Why is everyone calling this new person Mink? o.O
Sadly, I am much like that. :)
Also, I think Abel was remembering what he was told and was snapped out of his thoughts by this 'cubi. Either 'Mink' is really friendly or Abel got to know them or is roomies with 'em.
Mood whiplash!
In other words, Mink is adorable. I hope Abel's current run of bad luck doesn't affect the poor boy.
Quote from: Akisohida on June 12, 2009, 10:11:30 AM
Why is everyone calling this new person Mink? o.O
http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php/topic,5630.0.html
Specifically this:
http://www.missmab.com/Bonus/Mink.jpg
...which I only just found myself, truth be told
... Am I the only one who wishes Amber would post the full text of these rants?
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on June 12, 2009, 10:18:44 AM
... Am I the only one who wishes Amber would post the full text of these rants?
No, you're not.
As close as I can make it out, it goes. Words that I think I have but aren't completely certain will be in green. Total speculation will be in red
" My! Tivallar totally tried to juggle and it resulted in several things being on fire but I figure there is always another time. So how are you today? The weather is really nice outside and you should totally and maybe h(something) because its been weeks since has been on (something) which is such a shame! But (Something, possibly several words.) Mister Nalf said to Several words. is due and even though something project done I am something, probably several words report is going to several words, last one ending in H because he always something? Maybe no words to stair? the more and several? subjects But I don't several words? against him
The rest of it is near impossible to make out, except for the phrases of "Went on a" and "Everyone shouted?"
but to be honest, I don't think Amber is trying to emphasize, or even wants us to be that curious about what is being said, rather that just a torrent of verbiage is coming at one of the characters.
Poor Abel got out of the reselling ring and in to the crowd of chartering people. Which is worse?
Quote from: Scarydragon on June 12, 2009, 07:50:59 AM
Quote from: Tapewolf on June 12, 2009, 07:36:09 AM
Interesting. We don't know how long Abel has been there, but he probably hasn't got much in the way of a mind-shield yet. Mink (?) should know that he's irritating/startling him...
Fa'lina could have easily set a mind-shield up for him just as she did for Dan, or Abel himself for Jyras.
To me it just looks like a 'dear lord, when does the talking stop?' expression. :P
Plus, Abel had been taking magic lessons already before going to SAIA, to the degree that his clan mark appeared before the headwings even, so even if he didn't learn a mind shield spell before SAIA, he is versed enough in magic that he could probably pick it up quickly. Mind shields are not just the domain of cubi; Merlitz' former adventuring party had them up when they visited Lost Lake.
Quote from: Aganerral on June 12, 2009, 11:17:37 AM
Plus, Abel had been taking magic lessons already before going to SAIA, to the degree that his clan mark appeared before the headwings even, so even if he didn't learn a mind shield spell before SAIA, he is versed enough in magic that he could probably pick it up quickly. Mind shields are not just the domain of cubi; Merlitz' former adventuring party had them up when they visited Lost Lake.
Very true. Also, Fa'Lina, when talking to Dan, implied on several occasions that it's a relatively simple trick, so he may well have picked it up.
Though assuming that Abel
isn't shielded, it had occurred to me that Mink gets an emotional kick out of blabbing to people like that as part of his(?) affinity :P
( ! )
Mink!
*steals him away before anyone else gets the idea*
Though it's already becoming archaic, my Dad would have said that Mink'd been vaccinated with a phonograph needle. Nothing like the contrast of uberhappy vs emo. :mowhappy
Quote from: tiggertoo on June 12, 2009, 11:57:29 AM
Though it's already becoming archaic, my Dad would have said that Mink'd been vaccinated with a phonograph needle.
I've never heard that one before, but I like it.
Hey! it's the Octocubi! :mowmeep
Quote from: techmaster-glitch on June 12, 2009, 12:41:24 PM
Hey! it's the Octocubi! :mowmeep
I think you mean the Incu-pus
Heh. Incu-Pus is obviously GAY FOR ABEL!
Wait, is the other cubi in the strip Male as well?
for quite a bit, I thought it was female........... gah!
I tend to not worry about genders when I should, and worry about them when I shan't. I never actually took into consideration Abel's gender when I first saw him. I actually thought Fi was a guy until recently.
Back on topic, did anyone notice that Mink[?] said everyone a lot in his rant. How many friends does that guy have!?
Quote from: Buhamet on June 12, 2009, 03:54:46 PM
Wait, is the other cubi in the strip Male as well?
To be honest, Amber hasn't said AFAIK. Most people are going by the shape of his chest I think, since Amber's design tends to stick breasts on females no matter what target species they are.
Quote from: Forycles on June 12, 2009, 03:58:10 PM
I actually thought Fi was a guy until recently.
Amber always refers to Fi as 'it' since warp-aci are genderless. The Radio Project has always voiced Fi as female, but that's not necessarily correct.
Quote from: SpottedKitty on June 12, 2009, 07:26:20 AM
Is that a "too early in the morning for this" look, or a "do I know you?" look? ;)
I've been thinking it was the second, but the first works too. In my case it would probably also be a "Ooookay... I'm going to go somewhere else now... Just slowly back away from the crazy person..."
Maybe she is out to manipulate and use him?
8) Maybe a hamburger in her mouth would shut her up ...
Time to be eating Sushi at lunch >:3
Her is something no one has brought up. Abel has a "BOOK" so I presume that this is still before the great SAIA library prank.
Quote from: Drathorin on June 12, 2009, 09:49:47 PM
Time to be eating Sushi at lunch >:3
I suspect she'd enjoy that...
Quote from: Tapewolf on June 12, 2009, 04:01:51 PM... since Amber's design tends to stick breasts on females no matter what target species they are.
Well, of course. How
else are people going to know that they're female? :P
Quote from: LionHeart on June 13, 2009, 07:37:38 AM
Quote from: Tapewolf on June 12, 2009, 04:01:51 PM... since Amber's design tends to stick breasts on females no matter what target species they are.
Well, of course. How else are people going to know that they're female? :P
Given that people can fail to recognise female of their own species at times I think It's quite justified.
obligatory tv tropes link http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NonMammalMammaries (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NonMammalMammaries)
Quote from: MT Hazard on June 13, 2009, 08:12:08 AM
Given that people can fail to recognise female of their own species at times I think It's quite justified.
That and determining the sex of something like an Osprey often requires a DNA test.
Since some people appear to be confused, let me make this clear - am not criticising Amber's design, I am just saying why it's a fair bet that Mink is a guy.
I do remember Amber pointing out that cubi can also have a third gender that sit some ware between male and female. :)
Quote from: ciesar on June 13, 2009, 11:46:25 AM
I do remember Amber pointing out that cubi can also have a third gender that sit some ware between male and female. :)
Good catch - I'd clean forgotten that.
It's referred to here: http://nice.llearch.net/dmfa_forum2229.htm#ref33
...though my guess is it's a mythos thing rather than a 'Cubi thing
per se. Though even that raises questions which may not make for polite discussion.
Quote from: Tapewolf on June 12, 2009, 04:01:51 PM
Quote from: Forycles on June 12, 2009, 03:58:10 PM
I actually thought Fi was a guy until recently.
Amber always refers to Fi as 'it' since warp-aci are genderless. The Radio Project has always voiced Fi as female, but that's not necessarily correct.
Actually, Amber has on several occasions referred to Fi as "he". I recall asking about that once, however, and she explained it away as generic third person pronoun rather than an indication of gender. Regardless, Fi usually
acts like a boy, so we can still sorta think of it as male despite belonging to a sexless species. :animesweat
Quote from: Tapewolf on June 13, 2009, 01:18:38 PM
...though my guess is it's a mythos thing rather than a 'Cubi thing per se. Though even that raises questions which may not make for polite discussion.
Or perhaps it's just a recognition of the... er...
creativity of the furry fandom? >:]
The make-up is manly a fer die or poder that will hide the clan mark. some acters use something like that to hid tatos when it would be seen by the viewers (have a half sister that dose make-up for tv)
I now understand what Abel has against roommates. How many did he go through again?
Quote from: Michael Chandra on June 14, 2009, 07:53:19 PM
I now understand what Abel has against roommates. How many did he go through again?
He took out at least three (see: http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_425.php).
Random thought: Did Abel learn his hearts (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_509.php) from Mink?
Quote from: Netrogo on June 12, 2009, 08:26:46 AM
I have quite a few friends like that, I can never figure out a way to shut them up that doesn't involve ignoring them or blatantly just yelling at them to can it.
Always remember, it could be worse (http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_2920807.html).
Quote from: 127.0.0.2 on June 17, 2009, 11:56:21 AM
Always remember, it could be worse (http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_2920807.html).
I didn't think that was possible......
after reading the reference from tapewolf about the multi-genders, I think it's fair to say that Mink won't be the only non-default-gender cubi that will appear in the comnic, either Abel's story or the main Comic........... although who it is next is anyone's guess
Quote from: Buhamet on June 18, 2009, 01:41:26 PM
Quote from: 127.0.0.2 on June 17, 2009, 11:56:21 AM
Always remember, it could be worse (http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_2920807.html).
I didn't think that was possible......
after reading the reference from tapewolf about the multi-genders, I think it's fair to say that Mink won't be the only non-default-gender cubi that will appear in the comnic, either Abel's story or the main Comic........... although who it is next is anyone's guess
But what pronoun shall we use? Has Amber provided one, or are we just going to be "he/she/it"?
Stick with 'it'. There are many cultures that find it offensive to differentiate folks by their gender.
"It" is probably more suitable for the situation.............. but this topic does create a whole new world of grammatical problems to be solved. How do you refer to the "it" version of "dude" for example? "Dudit?"
Quote from: Buhamet on June 18, 2009, 02:47:32 PM
"It" is probably more suitable for the situation.............. but this topic does create a whole new world of grammatical problems to be solved. How do you refer to the "it" version of "dude" for example? "Dudit?"
Considering that the initial word is gender biased, you're probably out of luck trying to find a direct conversion. Better off trying to find other words to replace the meaning/intent (I'd go with "peep" myself). But frankly, I don't see any significant grammatical issues.
I always thought 'dude' was a gender neutral term. I've heard lots of people refer to both women and men as 'dude'. I imagine in a world that's full of shape-shifting, zany creatures, and sexually ambiguous characters, 'dude' is a genderless pronoun.
Quote from: Scarydragon on June 19, 2009, 01:13:07 AM
I always thought 'dude' was a gender neutral term. I've heard lots of people refer to both women and men as 'dude'. I imagine in a world that's full of shape-shifting, zany creatures, and sexually ambiguous characters, 'dude' is a genderless pronoun.
Even though I've heard it referring to members of both sexes (and more power to words that apply equally well to anyone, I say), it still makes me think "male."
That even weirded me out when I first read another comic and the main character's friend called her "dude"--I thought he was mistaking her for someone else he knew (who was male)....
<.<
>.>
I've always felt 'dude' was gender neutral, but lately I've encountered some folks who have a stick up their arse on the matter. In every usage I've ever encountered of it, it was genderless but then others have gotten in my face saying they resent being called a male, and that I should respect their interpretation of the word. Course that isn't fair to me because it doesn't respect my interpretation of it, but I digress.
Didn't you know that having a penis turns all of your wordly interpretations a misogynistic attack on females? :P
Alright, can't leave it alone, if someone hates me for it, well then poo. :P
Those who are overly PC are quick to jump on words, and many times others who use said words, that imply a specific gender to a title. "Chairwoman" for example is a made up word, because it suddenly became very unPC to refer to them as the "chairman" even though that would be the correct (historically speaking) gender neutral title to use. I've known of a few women who did know about this and would often correct people say they are the "chairman" and not a "chairwoman". Much to the aggravation to some of the overly PC people in the office. :3
English has historically used the masculine pronouns for gender neutral situations when referring to a subject of unknown gender. "The customer bought his food and left."
As of about the 15th century other pronouns were conceived of that had a less specific gender, such as "them", "they", "their". And very recently there is more substitution of the use of the word "one" to refer to a specific, but unknown, person. "One should write their name on the top of the paper."
As for the use of the word "dude," your right, they really shouldn't get all that upset about it, the word has lost a lot of its gender specific meaning over the years. Just like several other words have, "tailor" vs. "seamstress", "cigar" vs. "cigarettes", for example.
Here's what you can do in such a situation:
- The snarky response would be to use the term "dudette". The snarky response is always my personal favorite. >:]
- Try and switch to using the word "you" if you are interested in being PC as well as more professional sounding over all. :P
More details are on Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender-neutral_pronoun) (of course).
Or I start referring to them as an 'it'. This works too. Fits in with their desire to not be judged/defined by their gender imho.. but that seems to get them just as riled up. It's apparently rude to apply this to another person, something I've never heard nor seen before. At this point I just assume they were born with a stick up their arse and move on. If they get too snippy I just ignore them.
Quote from: GundamDragon on June 13, 2009, 07:52:50 PM
The make-up is manly a fer die or poder that will hide the clan mark. some acters use something like that to hid tatos when it would be seen by the viewers (have a half sister that dose make-up for tv)
wow... just wow...
i think my spellcheck just committed suicide.
My earliest encounter with the word Dude was in "Dude Ranch" where tourists get to pretend they are cowboys. So my interpretation of Dude mean tourist till the definition changed in the late 80's early 90's where it was a mere expression. so it's always been gender neutral for me.
I honestly don't think using "dude" is such a big deal. I've been called that by a friend of mine from New Zealand and another from Scotland; usually it seems it's a gender-neutral thing, though I've grown up myself with it mostly being directed towards guys.
I also use it in my regular tongue anyway, usually as an exclamation if I'm surprised ("Duuude, you're kidding!") like a substitute for "daaang!" more than addressing somebody. At one point my dad wondered aloud if a college graduate should be so informal.
Hell-O? College kid? :3
Quote from: 127.0.0.2 on June 17, 2009, 11:56:21 AM
Quote from: Netrogo on June 12, 2009, 08:26:46 AM
I have quite a few friends like that, I can never figure out a way to shut them up that doesn't involve ignoring them or blatantly just yelling at them to can it.
Always remember, it could be worse (http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_2920807.html).
...Yikes. o.o Reminds me of my step-grandmother, kinda. When we went to visit her and my grandfather during a road trip to Nebraska, the three of us were trying to watch TV in the den. We were right in front of her, faces turned to the TV, yet she was still talking like we were listening, without a pause to catch our attention. Seems she knows us too well, as we actually were trying to listen to her -and- the TV. XD
Very sweet person though, we love her. But I'm glad not to have run into any REALLY determined chatterboxes in my life, being the quiet solitary type. xP
Quote from: Mao Laoren on June 19, 2009, 12:31:54 PMIt's apparently rude to apply this to another person, something I've never heard nor seen before.
Probably because referring to people as "it" rarely comes up. It's hardly unreasonable to take offense, mainly because "it" tends to imply something less than human.
Quote from: Caswin on June 19, 2009, 05:26:45 PM
Quote from: Mao Laoren on June 19, 2009, 12:31:54 PMIt's apparently rude to apply this to another person, something I've never heard nor seen before.
Probably because referring to people as "it" rarely comes up. It's hardly unreasonable to take offense, mainly because "it" tends to imply something less than human.
Of cause, that's because people tend to be human-biased.
Quote from: Kage on June 19, 2009, 12:13:14 PM
Those who are overly PC are quick to jump on words, and many times others who use said words, that imply a specific gender to a title. "Chairwoman" for example is a made up word, because it suddenly became very unPC to refer to them as the "chairman" even though that would be the correct (historically speaking) gender neutral title to use. I've known of a few women who did know about this and would often correct people say they are the "chairman" and not a "chairwoman". Much to the aggravation to some of the overly PC people in the office. :3
Consider the difference between being civil and being Politically Correct.
Political Correctness is mechanism for controlling speech and suppressing dissent. It is tyrannical in nature and intent. It should be resisted at every turn.
Mock it if you can, most users are narcissists and ridicule cuts them to the quick. They're very sensitive to any hint of criticism, even while being very critical of others.
Quote from: inuhanyo on June 20, 2009, 12:26:12 AM
Quote from: Kage on June 19, 2009, 12:13:14 PM
Those who are overly PC are quick to jump on words, and many times others who use said words, that imply a specific gender to a title. "Chairwoman" for example is a made up word, because it suddenly became very unPC to refer to them as the "chairman" even though that would be the correct (historically speaking) gender neutral title to use. I've known of a few women who did know about this and would often correct people say they are the "chairman" and not a "chairwoman". Much to the aggravation to some of the overly PC people in the office. :3
Consider the difference between being civil and being Politically Correct.
Political Correctness is mechanism for controlling speech and suppressing dissent. It is tyrannical in nature and intent. It should be resisted at every turn.
Mock it if you can, most users are narcissists and ridicule cuts them to the quick. They're very sensitive to any hint of criticism, even while being very critical of others.
You are of course talking to someone what wears spikes, chains, and tends to die his hair weird colors when he gets the chance. If for no other reason than to get a rise out of people. :3
Trust me, if I think someone is being obnoxious with it, I'll find every possible way I can to irritate them. :3
In case that we can't decide if we should refer to Fi as he, she or it, I refer to living non-gender based being's in RPG games as to "hsi". I just combine the 3.
... hsit? I think you typoed...
Quote from: Garsemor on June 21, 2009, 12:21:38 PMIn case that we can't decide if we should refer to Fi as he, she or it, I use to refer to living non-gender being's RPG games as to hsi. I just combine the 3.
My personal preference for referring to genderless individuals or individuals of an unknown or non-standard gender is to use Spivak pronouns (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spivak_pronoun), they are fairly well established (at least as well as any of the other English gender free pronouns) and are easy to use.
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on June 21, 2009, 03:45:47 PM
... hsit? I think you typoed...
I didn't do a Typo. I use H(e),S(he),(t)I. It's easy to remember and fun to pronounce.
Quote from: Kage on June 19, 2009, 12:13:14 PM
- The snarky response would be to use the term "dudette". The snarky response is always my personal favorite. >:]
- Try and switch to using the word "you" if you are interested in being PC as well as more professional sounding over all. :P
A couple non-masculine (decades old) options I haven't noticed in this discussion are "babe" or "chick", but then those have their own objections much of the time (not that I ever use them in general conversation).
Quote from: Psaakyrn on June 19, 2009, 10:58:58 PM
Of cause, that's because people tend to be human-biased.
Because people tend to be human-based.
Mink talks like my roommate.... nonstop.... >_<