Ouch. So loosing a Clan leader causes mental trauma.
Ooooh boy.
That's gotta hurt.
Wait... Clan switching is possible? Just like that?
Quote from: Lowde on May 29, 2009, 02:17:21 AM
Wait... Clan switching is possible? Just like that?
That is food for thought, though I don't necessarily think it's quite "just like that"...
Quote from: Slacker Spice on May 29, 2009, 02:22:56 AM
Quote from: Lowde on May 29, 2009, 02:17:21 AM
Wait... Clan switching is possible? Just like that?
That is food for thought, though I don't necessarily think it's quite "just like that"...
You would be correct. Unfortunately space constraints made me have to edit out a bit of details. Mainly Sel and her son were already starting the process of converging over due to Sel's marraige to a Seme clan member. (At the time both clans were relatively sizable so it wasn't too terrible a switch off) The event simply made Sel opt to hurry the process along.
The process of converting to a different clan is usually difficult and generally results in a loss of power regardless of whether or not your clan was the stronger of the two or if you are moving over to a stronger clan. Most clan members who are opting to switch over aren't really doing it for personal power gain so much for their children future gain. Though in Sel's case, her timing was really well off since the process starting had masked her and her sons' clan aura from Hizell. And ultimately did make the transition to losing a clan leader much less painful. (having her husbands clan to console and support her also helped)
So if Elin was the other left by the next day, how did he manage to kill himself before Hizell got to him? Or was he also at SAIA?
Quote from: Indy on May 29, 2009, 02:39:41 AM
So if Elin was the other left by the next day, how did he manage to kill himself before Hizell got to him? Or was he also at SAIA?
Well... he has some pills right next to him, so I would guess overdose
Quote from: Lowde on May 29, 2009, 02:40:52 AM
Quote from: Indy on May 29, 2009, 02:39:41 AM
So if Elin was the other left by the next day, how did he manage to kill himself before Hizell got to him? Or was he also at SAIA?
Well... he has some pills right next to him, so I would guess overdose
I mean, how did he manage to survive a full day longer than anyone else? Though I suppose I've answered my own question there... He was probably at SAIA, or he wasn't the other of the last two. Actually... Now that I think about it.... This was 400-800 years in the past, right? Did they even have pills back then in DMFA land???
Oof, it's too late for my brain to do any sort of thinking.
Odds are if he was cowardly enough to choose suicide then he was PROBABLY cowardly enough to not go to the battle in the first place. If he wasn't at SAIA he could have just not been one of the Hizell went after first, then finding out that Hizell was hunting them all down decided to chicken out and off himself.
Quote from: Indy on May 29, 2009, 02:51:39 AM
Quote from: Lowde on May 29, 2009, 02:40:52 AM
Quote from: Indy on May 29, 2009, 02:39:41 AM
So if Elin was the other left by the next day, how did he manage to kill himself before Hizell got to him? Or was he also at SAIA?
Well... he has some pills right next to him, so I would guess overdose
I mean, how did he manage to survive a full day longer than anyone else? Though I suppose I've answered my own question there... He was probably at SAIA, or he wasn't the other of the last two. Actually... Now that I think about it.... This was 400-800 years in the past, right? Did they even have pills back then in DMFA land???
Oof, it's too late for my brain to do any sort of thinking.
That's the things about pills, if they be drugs, medicine, poison or what, they have been around for many centuries.
Wow, suicide and more scenes of Aniz attacking people he supposedly loves. Wonderful. But very interesting information. So... if Aniz has this dragon and his allies gunning for him, did he leave the academy to try and reforge his clan (impossibly insane though it was), or because he snapped at Destania and feared for his life?
Yes, Amber, please make the rest of this week's updates nothing but wacky and humorous misadventures.
IF Aniz is still alive, he may still be too busy dodging dragons (or specifically Hizell).
Quote from: AmigaDragon on May 29, 2009, 03:24:21 AM
IF Aniz is still alive, he may still be too busy dodging dragons (or specifically Hizell).
Which just makes me think that part of the reason he left SAIA is because he was afraid of Destania. Rebuilding your clan is good and nice, but I'm willing to bet that Fa'Lina would have offered him protection. Of course, if his clan's demise sent him off the deep end, then yeah, he might not have been thinking that far ahead.
This casts Abel's potential room-mates in a new light. Perhaps the Seme members had a more altruistic motive than had been presumed.
Did anyone else notice that the archive link says "fifty-five" when it should say "fifty-six"?
Quote from: Netrogo on May 29, 2009, 03:00:29 AM
Odds are if he was cowardly enough to choose suicide then he was PROBABLY cowardly enough to not go to the battle in the first place. If he wasn't at SAIA he could have just not been one of the Hizell went after first, then finding out that Hizell was hunting them all down decided to chicken out and off himself.
There are other possibilities than cowardice.
1. It might be his way of joining the rest of his clan
2. He might have done it to annoy Hizell
3. More horribly, it's possible that Hizell took more from his victims than just their lives. In which case suicide would be a very sensible and understandable alternative.
Now, I would be inclined to think that he wouldn't have been able to kill himself within SAIA, Fa'Lina being all-knowing and all-powerful there, so I guess he was simply overlooked or further down the list.
Either way, I'm curious about the figures. To recap:
"Siar's clan went from over two thousand to four sole survivors. By the next day, only two."
So, Sel and her son actually switched clans. Elin topped himself. Aniz went schiz.
Unless I'm missing something, that would make Aniz the only surviving member of his clan? At least until Abel was born (or any other of his children who both survived and went 'Cubi). No wonder his actions have been a bit bizarre.
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 29, 2009, 04:26:58 AM
Quote from: Netrogo on May 29, 2009, 03:00:29 AM
Odds are if he was cowardly enough to choose suicide then he was PROBABLY cowardly enough to not go to the battle in the first place. If he wasn't at SAIA he could have just not been one of the Hizell went after first, then finding out that Hizell was hunting them all down decided to chicken out and off himself.
There are other possibilities than cowardice.
1. It might be his way of joining the rest of his clan
2. He might have done it to annoy Hizell
3. More horribly, it's possible that Hizell took more from his victims than just their lives. In which case suicide would be a very sensible and understandable alternative.
Now, I would be inclined to think that he wouldn't have been able to kill himself within SAIA, Fa'Lina being all-knowing and all-powerful there, so I guess he was simply overlooked or further down the list.
Either way, I'm curious about the figures. To recap:
"Siar's clan went from over two thousand to four sole survivors. By the next day, only two."
So, Sel and her son actually switched clans. Elin topped himself. Aniz went schiz.
Unless I'm missing something, that would make Aniz the only surviving member of his clan? At least until Abel was born (or any other of his children who both survived and went 'Cubi). No wonder his actions have been a bit bizarre.
yeah I noised this too the numbers don't add up unless Sel's son doesn't count if he's too young to be called cubi. So I'm guessing that there is a missing Cubi somewhere.
Also I think this comic puts a firm nail in the coffin of the theory that Aniz is Dan's father
Quote from: LoneHowler on May 29, 2009, 05:13:55 AM
Also I think this comic puts a firm nail in the coffin of the theory that Aniz is Dan's father
How so?
EDIT: We already knew he was crackers, that he was trying to rebuild his own clan and that he split up with Destania who wanted to kill him. I don't see anything in the strip that utterly precludes them getting back together after he's had 400 years to settle down.
Heck, when you consider that they both have a problem with dragons after that, it even makes some sense if he could stop her from taking him down first.
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 29, 2009, 05:28:19 AM
Quote from: LoneHowler on May 29, 2009, 05:13:55 AM
Also I think this comic puts a firm nail in the coffin of the theory that Aniz is Dan's father
How so?
as far as I can see he won't forgive her for making him stay. She will have issues with ever forgiving him hurting her when she was just saving his life. irreconcilable differences.
Quote from: LoneHowler on May 29, 2009, 05:35:35 AM
as far as I can see he won't forgive her for making him stay. She will have issues with ever forgiving him hurting her when she was just saving his life. irreconcilable differences.
In case you missed my edit, we already knew that. I don't see anything in the strip that utterly precludes them getting back together after he's had 400 years to settle down.
Heck, when you consider that they both have a problem with dragons after that, it even makes some sense if he could stop her from taking him down first.
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 29, 2009, 05:37:00 AM
Quote from: LoneHowler on May 29, 2009, 05:35:35 AM
as far as I can see he won't forgive her for making him stay. She will have issues with ever forgiving him hurting her when she was just saving his life. irreconcilable differences.
In case you missed my edit, we already knew that. I don't see anything in the strip that utterly precludes them getting back together after he's had 400 years to settle down.
Heck, when you consider that they both have a problem with dragons after that, it even makes some sense if he could stop her from taking him down first.
apparently the forums don't give you notice that "edits have been made while you were typing" ^^
four hundred years is also more than enough time to grow apart and become two different people from those two love struck kiddies long ago. Some people don't relate well after a long separation especially if bad blood is what separated them in the first place. I personally don't think that the romance can be revived, dragon vendetta or no.
Quote from: LoneHowler on May 29, 2009, 05:42:58 AM
four hundred years is also more than enough time to grow apart and become two different people from those two love struck kiddies long ago. Some people don't relate well after a long separation especially if bad blood is what separated them in the first place. I personally don't think that the romance can be revived, dragon vendetta or no.
She wasn't exactly a kiddie, but yeah. I guess at the end of the day we'll have to wait and see what happens (or not, if Amber wants to be evil and keep us guessing).
Since the reduction in size of a clan is extremely traumatic and Cyra's clan has also been drastically reduced, that might also explain why Destania is going a little over the top as well.
Ouch. Aniz, blind rage is no excuse to hit al lady >:O
or cut her with your wing-tentacle-knives for that matter.
Oh man, there are no happy endings here.
So... wouldn't that mean the clan went from Four Members to One? If there is another 'cubi that didn't die (along with Aniz) wouldn't that be Five members to Two? Or does Sel's son not count, maybe he's just a baby or something.
Quote from: Lucheek on May 29, 2009, 07:33:49 AM
So... wouldn't that mean the clan went from Four Members to One? If there is another 'cubi that didn't die (along with Aniz) wouldn't that be Five members to Two? Or does Sel's son not count, maybe he's just a baby or something.
It's quite possible that Elin was no.2 but killed himself after the second day.
If Aniz is dead in the current time period, and there wasn't another survivor besides him, that would make Abel not just from a fragmented clan, but the last of his line.
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 29, 2009, 07:52:34 AM
Quote from: Lucheek on May 29, 2009, 07:33:49 AM
So... wouldn't that mean the clan went from Four Members to One? If there is another 'cubi that didn't die (along with Aniz) wouldn't that be Five members to Two? Or does Sel's son not count, maybe he's just a baby or something.
It's quite possible that Elin was no.2 but killed himself after the second day.
If Aniz is dead in the current time period, and there wasn't another survivor besides him, that would make Abel not just from a fragmented clan, but the last of his line.
This also means that Abel has no fealty to what remains (if any) of his clan, let alone any compunction to continue what would be a dying bloodline, my guess is that a Clan isn't just a name, some fancy attributes and a funky marking, my guess the blood ties run far deeper than what any of us could ever fathom.
That also means that when a clan progenitor (in this case, Siar) dies, the impact of which can reverberate far deeper than just mere loss. For a reasonable example, you could say that the clan head is the pillar, and the singer of a glorious song, you feel it at your very core, it sustains you, it lifts you up and guides you. Now take it away..
That is loss, it potentially left a Hole far deeper than what it may appear, particularly with the loss of so much, too.
Assuming Cyra clan had more members at this time, how easy would it be for a dragon to manipulate Aniz, in his current emotional state, into giving vital information on his former lover's clan?
Quote from: Turnsky on May 29, 2009, 09:01:39 AM
This also means that Abel has no fealty to what remains (if any) of his clan, let alone any compunction to continue what would be a dying bloodline, my guess is that a Clan isn't just a name, some fancy attributes and a funky marking, my guess the blood ties run far deeper than what any of us could ever fathom.
Good point. Though on the flipside, it would also make Aniz the clan leader...
(EDIT: Misread 'Abel' as 'Aniz' for some reason there)
QuoteThat also means that when a clan progenitor (in this case, Siar) dies, the impact of which can reverberate far deeper than just mere loss. For a reasonable example, you could say that the clan head is the pillar, and the singer of a glorious song, you feel it at your very core, it sustains you, it lifts you up and guides you. Now take it away..
That is loss, it potentially left a Hole far deeper than what it may appear, particularly with the loss of so much, too.
Well put. Though Siar's clan was by no means the only one to have this happen. If Aary's livejournal is canon in that respect, she lost her leader though IIRC it happened before she was born. Either way, the clan continued.
Quote from: tiggertoo on May 29, 2009, 07:26:53 AM
Oh man, there are no happy endings here.
Well, I'll just bring in a slimy face :P
From my point of view the comic might turn from sad to happy or less sad. Thing's can't get much worse and once Fa'lina ends her history lesson we might actually get to see Abel smile. After some time to collect him self I mean. Sure things can go bade for some time but I see a silver lining to this sad hell-ride story.
Quote from: Amber Williams on May 29, 2009, 02:31:05 AM
You would be correct. Unfortunately space constraints made me have to edit out a bit of details. Mainly Sel and her son were already starting the process of converging over due to Sel's marraige to a Seme clan member. (At the time both clans were relatively sizable so it wasn't too terrible a switch off) The event simply made Sel opt to hurry the process along.
The process of converting to a different clan is usually difficult and generally results in a loss of power regardless of whether or not your clan was the stronger of the two or if you are moving over to a stronger clan. Most clan members who are opting to switch over aren't really doing it for personal power gain so much for their children future gain. Though in Sel's case, her timing was really well off since the process starting had masked her and her sons' clan aura from Hizell. And ultimately did make the transition to losing a clan leader much less painful. (having her husbands clan to console and support her also helped)
Ooh, thanks for the helpful exposition. >:3 Although I do have a question: is the trauma from losing one's clan leader solely due to some kind of magical connection or because of psychological reasons? (By psychological, like Post-traumatic stress disorder from losing a close family member) You said that Sel joining Seme Clan helped her; I'm not sure what this means, entirely.
The art of Destania and Aniz is fantastic.
At the risk of turning this into Amber's Question Time, I am kind of curious as to whether Sel and her son's emotional affinities changed too.
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 29, 2009, 09:18:30 AM
Well put. Though Siar's clan was by no means the only one to have this happen. If Aary's livejournal is canon in that respect, she lost her leader though IIRC it happened before she was born. Either way, the clan continued.
However, even if the clan Continues, it'll be far less than it was, and potentially may never recover. the integrity of the bloodline has been significantly weakened by the Clan leader, i.e the resident Tri-Wing, not being there.
Now, if a clan leader were to die of natural causes (eventually) or at least survive long enough to, may be able to 'name a successor' so to speak.
Perhaps the true value and power of a Clan leader, and by extension, its members.. is measured by the strength of that family.
still not enough to take out a well prepared dragon, but eh.
Quote from: Turnsky on May 29, 2009, 09:47:24 AM
However, even if the clan Continues, it'll be far less than it was, and potentially may never recover. the integrity of the bloodline has been significantly weakened by the Clan leader, i.e the resident Tri-Wing, not being there.
In principle at least, another member of the clan could ascend. It looks to me like it affects the whole clan, not just their immediate descendants.
QuoteNow, if a clan leader were to die of natural causes (eventually) or at least survive long enough to, may be able to 'name a successor' so to speak.
I don't think they actually
do die of natural causes. Amber has said that immortality is one of the benefits of ascending. However, Aary has mentioned that it's possible for them to transfer their power away if they do die so the whole thing is a little murky there.
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 29, 2009, 09:57:16 AM
I don't think they actually do die of natural causes. Amber has said that immortality is one of the benefits of ascending. However, Aary has mentioned that it's possible for them to transfer their power away if they do die so the whole thing is a little murky there.
Murky? yeah, let's just keep other sources out of it for now unless stated otherwise, it tends to confuse things a little.
Haha, so clan transfer is possible. Although Amber's comment earlier probably scuppers my thought about Abel accidentally switching to Cyra, although I still think that's a possibility for the future, albeit an unlikely one.
Odd that pills would be used for a form of suicide for a 'Cubi. I would have thought something more magical was going to be used.
Other than that, little surprised me, although I must say, that shot of Aniz in the last post was brilliantly executed, with the motion lines and just a hint of blur.
QuoteOdd that pills would be used for a form of suicide for a 'Cubi. I would have thought something more magical was going to be used.
Well, I figure that either:
1: The cubi in question was still young, aka, could be killed by typical poisons.
2: Those pills had some 'magic' in them, though I really have to wonder why anyone would have, or even make magical poison pills.
It also makes me wonder what happens to Aniz, after attacking a professor on school grounds, I can see that as the start of a large amount of animosity between him and Fa'Lina. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if he got expelled soon after for doing that, even if he is the last of his clan.
Aary may have said power transfer was possible (i dunno, i've never read the lj) but I bet it takes some serious time and effort, like the switching clans thing. Since Siar died kind of suddenly, it's unlikely she would have had time to do the power transfer necessary to make any of the survivors the leader. I'm thinking since we're not seeing a third set of wings on Aniz (and let's face it, he'd be boastful enough to leave em out), he's just kind of a drone ant without a queen. More individual consciousness than that, of course, but still.
And I doubt the emotional affinity of Sel and her son changed - if a whole clan was defined by a single trait in total, they wouldn't need Inky to do his torture tests to determine it. They'd just check the marking. There's probably a definite tendency within a clan towards a specific emotion, but I doubt minor variations are all that uncommon.
Quote from: celelorien on May 29, 2009, 10:31:55 AM
Aary may have said power transfer was possible (i dunno, i've never read the lj) but I bet it takes some serious time and effort, like the switching clans thing. Since Siar died kind of suddenly, it's unlikely she would have had time to do the power transfer necessary to make any of the survivors the leader.
Yeah - one of the other things in the LJ (sorry, Turnsky) was that since killing Tri-Wings is very, very difficult, their deaths were usually sufficiently messy that such transfers of power were impossible. It's only logical to assume that this was the case with Siar.
QuoteAnd I doubt the emotional affinity of Sel and her son changed - if a whole clan was defined by a single trait in total, they wouldn't need Inky to do his torture tests to determine it. They'd just check the marking.
With Dan, they couldn't because his marking wasn't visible. That may have necessitated a more thorough examination. Also, 'Cubi seem to have secondary affinities, like Dan's justice affinity which is not apparently part of his clan heritage.
Well, Fa'lina would still have known that Dan was Cyra clan, because she knew Destania was his mom. I meant not for Dan though - I was referring to when Abel came in all shell-shocked. If Fa'lina had to ask Ink what his affinity was, even if Ink didn't have to run all his tests, I'm supposing it meant that it isn't just based on clan. And, too, Ink wouldn't need to stick around and have all those fun props ready if he didn't have to doublecheck all the new arrivals.
I suppose with Tri-Wings dying, it's a bit more like a Fae thing - they get sick of hanging around so they give up their power to a suitable successor and allow themselves to die.
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Quote from: Corgatha Taldorthar on May 29, 2009, 10:26:20 AM
Haha, so clan transfer is possible. Although Amber's comment earlier probably scuppers my thought about Abel accidentally switching to Cyra, although I still think that's a possibility for the future, albeit an unlikely one.
Odd that pills would be used for a form of suicide for a 'Cubi. I would have thought something more magical was going to be used.
Other than that, little surprised me, although I must say, that shot of Aniz in the last post was brilliantly executed, with the motion lines and just a hint of blur.
My my, I'm totally suprised that something so mundane as a sword, claws, or a high velocity rock can kill a cubi.
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Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on May 29, 2009, 09:40:11 AM
Ooh, thanks for the helpful exposition. >:3 Although I do have a question: is the trauma from losing one's clan leader solely due to some kind of magical connection or because of psychological reasons? (By psychological, like Post-traumatic stress disorder from losing a close family member) You said that Sel joining Seme Clan helped her; I'm not sure what this means, entirely.
Sometimes the hardest part of any trauma is simply having to deal with it alone. The simple fact that Sel had some support was likely a point in her favour. As for the trauma involved, its complicated and multiple levels since the connection Cubi have to their clan is complicated and multiple levels.
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 29, 2009, 09:43:19 AM
At the risk of turning this into Amber's Question Time, I am kind of curious as to whether Sel and her son's emotional affinities changed too.
Blargh. Hate Amber question time...
But as for the answer, not really. Emotional affinities are usually personal preference to begin with. While there is an overall theme from their clan, it isn't something that gets turned off and on. The individual who changes over to a new clan doesn't really ever get the same kind of connection to the clan leader, so it isn't like they need to switch their affinities over.
As for Sel's son, he was around 1 at the time, so even though he was technically Siar (who was the stronger clan when he was born), when he got older, it would be arranged for his clan marking to manifest as Seme's instead. There just was no place to put "and then 5 years later Sel's son came to an age where he could officially change". So the number flub is simply crappy storytelling on my part. Apologies.
Quote from: Amber Williams on May 29, 2009, 11:21:20 AM
Blargh. Hate Amber question time...
Yeah, sorry about that...
QuoteThere just was no place to put "and then 5 years later Sel's son came to an age where he could officially change".
I get that a lot too :B
Quote from: Amber Williams on May 29, 2009, 11:21:20 AM
Blargh. Hate Amber question time...
But as for the answer, not really. Emotional affinities are usually personal preference to begin with. While there is an overall theme from their clan, it isn't something that gets turned off and on. The individual who changes over to a new clan doesn't really ever get the same kind of connection to the clan leader, so it isn't like they need to switch their affinities over.
As for Sel's son, he was around 1 at the time, so even though he was technically Siar (who was the stronger clan when he was born), when he got older, it would be arranged for his clan marking to manifest as Seme's instead. There just was no place to put "and then 5 years later Sel's son came to an age where he could officially change". So the number flub is simply crappy storytelling on my part. Apologies.
y'know, overall it's fair to think that nothing is ever really set in stone, what you did in the comic was just answer one or two questions that haven't been asked yet. :3
Quote from: !KCA on May 29, 2009, 09:14:57 AM
Assuming Cyra clan had more members at this time, how easy would it be for a dragon to manipulate Aniz, in his current emotional state, into giving vital information on his former lover's clan?
After this last strip, I have a sinking suspicion Aniz will volunteer the information. Destania ultimately stopped Aniz because she loved him and didn't want him to die--and she can be forgiven for not understanding how traumatic the experience would be for Aniz.
But when Destania is introduced in Abel's Story, she tells Abel that Aniz betrayed her and she intends to destroy him fully. Even as violent as panel three in this last strip is, I can't reconcile Destania completely turning on Aniz because he went nuts (leaving him certainly, but not going from lover to full-blown enemy).
What does come to mind is Aniz could enter a fugue state where he believes Destania is directly responsible for the death of his clan. If that's the case, then well ... what better way for him to get revenge on Destania than showing her what it feels like to lose your family?
Another bit of wild conjecture--regarding Fa'Lina's comment in the previous strip--is Hizell may have anticipated all of this and set these events in motion to take down more than one clan. If that's the case, Hizell's still a jerk, but I'll reluctantly concede dragons are fantastic chess players.
Quote from: FSharp on May 29, 2009, 11:48:29 AM
If that's the case, Hizell's still a jerk, but I'll reluctantly concede dragons are fantastic chess players.
Fantastic chess players are usually jerks so your statement is sound regardless.
I'm kind of curious about the motives behind the Hizell vs Siar fight in the first place myself.
Makes me wonder how Destania feels towards Aniz now. The latest comic makes me think that it is perhaps not fondly, but it seems like it would have a great deal to do with why she's treating Abel as she is.
If she does resent him...then I suppose it depends on what Aniz wants for Abel, which is somewhat unclear. If Aniz wants Abel to grow strong, it would make sense for Destania to keep him weak. If Aniz wants him weak and easily manipulated, it would make sense for her to make him stronger. Either way, I would at least suspect that Destania would use Abel as a mechanism to get back at him, which I have a hard time seeing as being any good for Mr. Sunshine-and-Spots.
Concerning all these things about Cubi and their clan, though - if Cubi draw as much strength from their clan as has been seemingly implied, and as we later learn Destania has taught him complete self-reliance, it would seem that Abel would be a very weak Cubi indeed. Of course, I could be misinterpreting what's being said about the clan-relationship, or simplifying something that is more complex than I am aware of.
Quote from: Netrogo on May 29, 2009, 11:53:10 AM
Quote from: FSharp on May 29, 2009, 11:48:29 AM
If that's the case, Hizell's still a jerk, but I'll reluctantly concede dragons are fantastic chess players.
Fantastic chess players are usually jerks so your statement is sound regardless.
I'm kind of curious about the motives behind the Hizell vs Siar fight in the first place myself.
"who farted?" >:3
That said, victory goes to those who plan for all, even failure.
She said it, didn't she? He betrayed her, so she intends to destroy him.
Quote from: Turnsky on May 29, 2009, 12:10:49 PM
That said, victory goes to those who plan for all, even failure.
Oooh oooh, finally an excuse to use this...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v286/Netrogo/JustAsPlanned.jpg)
Quote from: Amber Williams on May 29, 2009, 11:21:20 AM
Sometimes the hardest part of any trauma is simply having to deal with it alone. The simple fact that Sel had some support was likely a point in her favour. As for the trauma involved, its complicated and multiple levels since the connection Cubi have to their clan is complicated and multiple levels.
Understood; thank you for the prompt answer and for the great comic. :)
Back to any discussion relating to Aniz and Destania - I'm wondering if Aniz left SAIA because he is still infuriated at Destania, because he realized he did a
dick move (I mean seriously) and can't face her again, or because he acknowledges his life is in danger due to Destania's lingering resentment. If Fa'Lina was telling the truth about Aniz's unpredictability/borderline insanity, then I see how it came to be that way.
Quote from: celelorien on May 29, 2009, 10:31:55 AM
Aary may have said power transfer was possible (i dunno, i've never read the lj) but I bet it takes some serious time and effort, like the switching clans thing. Since Siar died kind of suddenly, it's unlikely she would have had time to do the power transfer necessary to make any of the survivors the leader. I'm thinking since we're not seeing a third set of wings on Aniz (and let's face it, he'd be boastful enough to leave em out), he's just kind of a drone ant without a queen. More individual consciousness than that, of course, but still
If I remember correctly Hizel the dragon stole Siar's clan affinity at death, had she been preparing to tranfer her power to another clan member which she may have been doing ( failsafe percation ) I wouldn't doubt that the dragon would have intersepted it which may be he case snce he was able to track everyone down
Quote from: LoneHowler on May 29, 2009, 01:58:47 PM
If I remember correctly Hizel the dragon stole Siar's clan affinity at death, had she been preparing to tranfer her power to another clan member which she may have been doing ( failsafe percation ) I wouldn't doubt that the dragon would have intersepted it which may be he case snce he was able to track everyone down
You peeps may want to avoid overspeculating too much on stuff that has simply been mentioned on the forum. Odds are had it been a case of that, I would have...you know...made mention of that in the actual comic for the majority of readers who do not happen to read the forum as well.
Being on the forum, you guys do get some bonus snippets, but all in all I try not to make things so far above removed from the actual comic that you need to read a walkthrough to understand the basic things.
Quote from: Amber Williams on May 29, 2009, 02:06:53 PM
Quote from: LoneHowler on May 29, 2009, 01:58:47 PM
If I remember correctly Hizel the dragon stole Siar's clan affinity at death, had she been preparing to tranfer her power to another clan member which she may have been doing ( failsafe percation ) I wouldn't doubt that the dragon would have intersepted it which may be he case snce he was able to track everyone down
You peeps may want to avoid overspeculating too much on stuff that has simply been mentioned on the forum. Odds are had it been a case of that, I would have...you know...made mention of that in the actual comic for the majority of readers who do not happen to read the forum as well.
Being on the forum, you guys do get some bonus snippets, but all in all I try not to make things so far above removed from the actual comic that you need to read a walkthrough to understand the basic things.
True: you're no Hideo Kojima, after all. ;)
Though I suppose since soul removal/consumption is a spell or technique that almost anyone can learn and not really a natural ability restricted to a handful of people, Hizell
could have consumed Cyra and companies' souls. But would Hizell really gain anything from doing that, or would he just kill them all and skip soul consumption/destruction?
Quote from: Drathorin on May 29, 2009, 10:54:51 AM
Quote from: Corgatha Taldorthar on May 29, 2009, 10:26:20 AM
Haha, so clan transfer is possible. Although Amber's comment earlier probably scuppers my thought about Abel accidentally switching to Cyra, although I still think that's a possibility for the future, albeit an unlikely one.
Odd that pills would be used for a form of suicide for a 'Cubi. I would have thought something more magical was going to be used.
Other than that, little surprised me, although I must say, that shot of Aniz in the last post was brilliantly executed, with the motion lines and just a hint of blur.
My my, I'm totally suprised that something so mundane as a sword, claws, or a high velocity rock can kill a cubi.
I'm not saying that I was surprised that pills
can kill a 'cubi, what I'm surprised at is the method used in committing suicide. Various cultures have their own "preferred" ways of offing themselves when they feel the situation is called for, and I would have thought that a 'Cubi, being something of a highly magicked up creature type, would have had some arcane way of sending themselves off. Something like the way Belsambar does it.
And in other news, Morbidity is up 224% today.
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on May 29, 2009, 12:33:22 PM
Back to any discussion relating to Aniz and Destania -
Speaking of which, has anyone else realised the last few strips put a new spin on the conversation between Fa'lina and Aniz back at the beginning of part 2? I had a feeling at the time that there was a lot not being said, that was still affecting, if not actually directing, the conversation. Aniz hates Destania for what she did to him, yes, and Destania wants to destroy Aniz for betraying her, but does he still love her? Debatable. And if it
is both at once, no wonder Aniz became so unstable.
I think there's just one statement from that scene that we haven't yet had fresh information about. "The wings. The eyes. He looks just like them!" It could still mean almost anything.
Someone mentioned upthread a bit about the size of Cyra's Clan. I don't think we've seen any proof at all that they were decimated in the same way as Siar's Clan. I took Cyra's statement in the main strip to mean "the only remaining members of my comfortably large clan who are directly descended from me". When Fa'lina said (of Siar) "her children were many", I think she's describing a different situation.
And I think we've seen a bit more of where Destania's clan marking isn't. ;)
Quote from: Corgatha Taldorthar on May 29, 2009, 02:30:08 PM
Quote from: Drathorin on May 29, 2009, 10:54:51 AM
Quote from: Corgatha Taldorthar on May 29, 2009, 10:26:20 AM
Haha, so clan transfer is possible. Although Amber's comment earlier probably scuppers my thought about Abel accidentally switching to Cyra, although I still think that's a possibility for the future, albeit an unlikely one.
Odd that pills would be used for a form of suicide for a 'Cubi. I would have thought something more magical was going to be used.
Other than that, little surprised me, although I must say, that shot of Aniz in the last post was brilliantly executed, with the motion lines and just a hint of blur.
My my, I'm totally suprised that something so mundane as a sword, claws, or a high velocity rock can kill a cubi.
I'm not saying that I was surprised that pills can kill a 'cubi, what I'm surprised at is the method used in committing suicide. Various cultures have their own "preferred" ways of offing themselves when they feel the situation is called for, and I would have thought that a 'Cubi, being something of a highly magicked up creature type, would have had some arcane way of sending themselves off. Something like the way Belsambar does it.
And in other news, Morbidity is up 224% today.
:<
I totally didn't say all of that :x
I knew I heard of Seme's Clan before. Members of a clan that were volunteering to room with Abel came from Seme's.
Quote from: Baal Hadad on May 29, 2009, 04:10:24 AM
Did anyone else notice that the archive link says "fifty-five" when it should say "fifty-six"?
Still there, and I haven't seen anyone talking about it in this thread other than myself, so I'll take it as a no.... :(
In the archive for this chapter, the last two links both say "Fifty-five," though the second one says "new."
Quote from: Baal Hadad on May 29, 2009, 04:48:26 PM
Quote from: Baal Hadad on May 29, 2009, 04:10:24 AM
Did anyone else notice that the archive link says "fifty-five" when it should say "fifty-six"?
Still there, and I haven't seen anyone talking about it in this thread other than myself, so I'll take it as a no.... :(
In the archive for this chapter, the last two links both say "Fifty-five," though the second one says "new."
If you look at the title of the latest page (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Ab_057.php), it does say "Page Fifty-Six". Of course, the URL contains the number 57 because of the title/splash page. I believe that the source of this problem could be one of those highly complicated things known as an "oopsie" or typo.
Quote from: Naldru on May 29, 2009, 05:05:50 PM
Quote from: Baal Hadad on May 29, 2009, 04:48:26 PM
Quote from: Baal Hadad on May 29, 2009, 04:10:24 AM
Did anyone else notice that the archive link says "fifty-five" when it should say "fifty-six"?
Still there, and I haven't seen anyone talking about it in this thread other than myself, so I'll take it as a no.... :(
In the archive for this chapter, the last two links both say "Fifty-five," though the second one says "new."
If you look at the title of the latest page (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Ab_057.php), it does say "Page Fifty-Six". Of course, the URL contains the number 57 because of the title/splash page. I believe that the source of this problem could be one of those highly complicated things known as an "oopsie" or typo.
No, it's probably a theory proving that Aniz is dan's father's brother's cousin's former roomate!
Quote from: Naldru on May 29, 2009, 05:05:50 PM
Quote from: Baal Hadad on May 29, 2009, 04:48:26 PM
Quote from: Baal Hadad on May 29, 2009, 04:10:24 AM
Did anyone else notice that the archive link says "fifty-five" when it should say "fifty-six"?
Still there, and I haven't seen anyone talking about it in this thread other than myself, so I'll take it as a no.... :(
In the archive for this chapter, the last two links both say "Fifty-five," though the second one says "new."
If you look at the title of the latest page (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Ab_057.php), it does say "Page Fifty-Six". Of course, the URL contains the number 57 because of the title/splash page. I believe that the source of this problem could be one of those highly complicated things known as an "oopsie" or typo.
That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about this (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Arch_Ab.php) page, at the bottom. I knew about the discrepancy between the numbering system of the actual pages, and I haven't commented because I knew why that was.
Quote from: Baal Hadad on May 29, 2009, 05:16:10 PM
Quote from: Naldru on May 29, 2009, 05:05:50 PM
Quote from: Baal Hadad on May 29, 2009, 04:48:26 PM
Quote from: Baal Hadad on May 29, 2009, 04:10:24 AM
Did anyone else notice that the archive link says "fifty-five" when it should say "fifty-six"?
Still there, and I haven't seen anyone talking about it in this thread other than myself, so I'll take it as a no.... :(
In the archive for this chapter, the last two links both say "Fifty-five," though the second one says "new."
If you look at the title of the latest page (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Ab_057.php), it does say "Page Fifty-Six". Of course, the URL contains the number 57 because of the title/splash page. I believe that the source of this problem could be one of those highly complicated things known as an "oopsie" or typo.
That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about this (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Arch_Ab.php) page, at the bottom. I knew about the discrepancy between the numbering system of the actual pages, and I haven't commented because I knew why that was.
Baal. Next time you think there is a typo in regards to the comic or the linking system
PM IT TO ME. I don't always check the forums, and a single PM to me would have been a lot more effective than de-railing a thread and cluttering posts about a typo which, when resolved, will make all discussion about said typo completely out-dated and irrelevant.
Quote from: Amber Williams on May 29, 2009, 05:33:26 PM
Baal. Next time you think there is a typo in regards to the comic or the linking system PM IT TO ME. I don't always check the forums, and a single PM to me would have been a lot more effective than de-railing a thread and cluttering posts about a typo which, when resolved, will make all discussion about said typo completely out-dated and irrelevant.
*feels like an idiot*
I'm sorry--I forgot about that rule.... :(
Next time I will do that, and this will be the last time I derail this thread....
Quote from: Baal Hadad on May 29, 2009, 05:36:00 PM
Next time I will do that, and this will be the last time I derail this thread....
*starts chucking rocks and coins all over the threads tracks*
Quote from: Netrogo on May 29, 2009, 05:37:13 PM
*starts chucking rocks and coins all over the threads tracks*
So how about that genuinely intriguing and criminally underexposed world history?
Quote from: Caswin on May 29, 2009, 06:27:06 PM
So how about that genuinely intriguing and criminally underexposed world history?
I don't believe in the past, history as a whole is the greatest conspiracy the world has ever known.
*Charles grins evily* Sooooo... there are drugs that can kill a Cubi, eh? >:3
*Charles gives Charline a sundae!* It's nummy!
*Charline hmms and is not sure about this.. as the sundae seems to have all manner of pills and syringes sticking out of it* I dunno... :/
Quote from: Netrogo on May 29, 2009, 12:15:24 PM
Quote from: Turnsky on May 29, 2009, 12:10:49 PM
That said, victory goes to those who plan for all, even failure.
Oooh oooh, finally an excuse to use this...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v286/Netrogo/JustAsPlanned.jpg)
That show is such a mind****. I swear it had to be designed backwards; make the ending, then work your way backwards into the most secretive and roundabout way of reaching said ending. Every supervillian should study Light Yagami.
And now I feel sorry for Destania. I would send her a random hug, except for two things:
a: she'd probably just claw my face off
b: i don't think I can :(
Observation: in the last panel, Aniz is crying as he attacks Destania.
In the first panel we see the completion of the clan change ritual, as Sel's clan mark is changed into a Seme clan mark.
An old medical observation: it's the dose that makes the poison. Many useful drugs are toxic at too high a dose Sleeping pills are a classic suicide's choice because unconsciousness precedes death, with little discomfort.
It's possible to overdose on water and die, but it takes a lot of water.
I love the little details in the Aniz / Dee scene, like him crying. UGH HE LOOKS SO SAD I JUST WANNA HUG HIM. :cry
Quote from: inuhanyo on May 30, 2009, 12:06:16 AM
Observation: in the last panel, Aniz is crying as he attacks Destania.
In the first panel we see the completion of the clan change ritual, as Sel's clan mark is changed into a Seme clan mark.
An old medical observation: it's the dose that makes the poison. Many useful drugs are toxic at too high a dose Sleeping pills are a classic suicide's choice because unconsciousness precedes death, with little discomfort.
It's possible to overdose on water and die, but it takes a lot of water.
Damn, that would be a looooooot of water. I heard somewhere that it had to be like, 3 gallons drunk in the space of one hour? Though I don't know if it would kill you or just make you really really sick.
Quote from: bdplague on May 30, 2009, 01:08:23 AM
Damn, that would be a looooooot of water. I heard somewhere that it had to be like, 3 gallons drunk in the space of one hour? Though I don't know if it would kill you or just make you really really sick.
It's happend with two gallons (http://www.military.com/military-fitness/health/drinking-too-much-water). The key is
how much time the water is consumed over. You have to work at it to kill youself via water intoxication, but it can be done.
8) I might be a bit forgetful, but has Dan's clan markings turned up yet ? All I seem to remember is that he has a W-S brand on him. ( Please correct me if I am wrong ... ) If this is so, could there be a slim possibility that the publican/adventurer that was his father was actually Aniz, without Destina actually detecting it ? ( Or a more terrifying thought, Aniz the father of Alexi ... )
http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1007.php
though IIRC it appeared earlier.
Quote from: kaskar on May 30, 2009, 04:42:10 AM
8) I might be a bit forgetful, but has Dan's clan markings turned up yet ? All I seem to remember is that he has a W-S brand on him. ( Please correct me if I am wrong ... ) If this is so, could there be a slim possibility that the publican/adventurer that was his father was actually Aniz, without Destina actually detecting it ? ( Or a more terrifying thought, Aniz the father of Alexi ... )
Clan mark is now showing. However, it's almost impossible for Aniz to be father of Both children. After all, if it did happen, Alexsi would have been born with wings, and would be a succubus by now.Alexsi is 2 years older than Dan, remember.
Alexi and Dan have different fathers to begin with so Alexi's heritage wouldn't really matter.
Bzzt wrong, they have different mothers. Alexsi had already been born when Edward met Destania, then a short while after that Dan was born.
Quote from: Buhamet on May 30, 2009, 04:54:36 AM
Clan mark is now showing. However, it's almost impossible for Aniz to be father of Both children. After all, if it did happen, Alexsi would have been born with wings, and would be a succubus by now.Alexsi is 2 years older than Dan, remember.
I think you'll find that it's not 100% guaranteed that a Being-Cubi match will result in a 'Cubi, just more likely than not. See Aniz in 12/13:
"I felt it was better to wait
until I knew for sure he was a 'Cubi."
...also the hedging in HG02. Lots of "usually"s and stuff like "if she became a 'Cubi"
Quote from: King Of Hearts on May 30, 2009, 05:05:17 AM
Alexi and Dan have different fathers to begin with so Alexi's heritage wouldn't really matter.
Different mothers, actually.
gah! mind fart, my bad.
So the Abel-Dan sibling scenario would be incompatible with the Dan-Alexi sibling scenario.
I only asked the question, due to how little direct magic each one uses, Aniz plays the part of the adventurer well, that " early adulthood " in cubi is not well defined, and where are Dan's clan markings ... ( or is it only on some home furniture, like the beds. )
Its on his shoulder
Quote from: King Of Hearts on May 30, 2009, 05:43:05 AM
Its on his shoulder
8) Thank you there. It just seems so unobtrusive to be really noticable on Dan. Before, I was just wondering on the basis of a past comment from Abel about ''çlan marks'' ...
Nice avatar, by the way, kaskar.
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on May 30, 2009, 06:21:59 AM
Nice avatar, by the way, kaskar.
8) Only what photobucket can do if it crashes... How do you put the avatar in again easily ?
... same way you put it in the first time. Upload it to a server, then put the URL to it into your profile.
Quote from: kaskar on May 30, 2009, 06:09:08 AM
Quote from: King Of Hearts on May 30, 2009, 05:43:05 AM
Its on his shoulder
8) Thank you there. It just seems so unobtrusive to be really noticable on Dan. Before, I was just wondering on the basis of a past comment from Abel about ''çlan marks'' ...
Dan's clan mark just manifested during his last fight with DP (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_983.php).