Uh, yeah... take advice from a warp aci. :mowtongue
Fi's innocence is a source of much amusement. "'Crap, crap, crap, crap' ... and then he said that like a dozen more times." Any guesses on what Abel has to get? Enchanted barrier ingredients, perhaps? Or some books?
I think "something to make you big as well" is "an amazon", yes?
...in the spirit of dragging everything into the gutter once more, that is...
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on May 24, 2009, 02:51:04 AM
I think "something to make you big as well" is "an amazon", yes?
...in the spirit of dragging everything into the gutter once more, that is...
:U Awwww, you beat me.
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on May 24, 2009, 02:51:04 AM
I think "something to make you big as well" is "an amazon", yes?
...in the spirit of dragging everything into the gutter once more, that is...
It's easy to drag some into the gutter... especially when their mind is already there.
For the last three days I have been imagining Matilda as an amazon...
Taking advice from a Warp-Aci can be a double edged sword.
One side Warp-Aci are carefree and generally have the mentality of children. So teaching them is a good option, unless you get a mentally unstable one, Fi is more of a carefree and excitable type not really dangerous... unless your a hot-pocket.
The second edge is a byproduct of the first edge... they have the mentality of children. Would you take advice from a child?
I'm starting to think that Fi just got a charge from Dan's magical leveling up and the buildup was released as Fi 'growing up...' That or Fi was the victim of a cubi/Warp-Aci joke.
FiZilla
Quote from: insidexml on May 24, 2009, 02:55:22 AM
:U Awwww, you beat me.
And I'm on vacation. How's about that, then? ;-]
Quote from: Jairus on May 24, 2009, 02:48:36 AM
Any guesses on what Abel has to get? Enchanted barrier ingredients, perhaps? Or some books?
Books might be a little problematic, considering he's banned from the SAIA library (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_579.php). Then again, that can't be the only source of books (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_654.php) in Furrae.
He could be running to Fa'Lina for advice, but without specifying that. Growing warp aci can't be a common occurrence, otherwise it wouldn't have freaked him out like that. Either that, or he has an idea what did it and it scares him.
Just another example of the usefulness of warp-aci. They work like perfect message recorders.
Quote from: AmigaDragon on May 24, 2009, 03:15:45 AM
Quote from: Jairus on May 24, 2009, 02:48:36 AM
Any guesses on what Abel has to get? Enchanted barrier ingredients, perhaps? Or some books?
Books might be a little problematic, considering he's banned from the SAIA library (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_579.php). Then again, that can't be the only source of books (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_654.php) in Furrae.
He could be running to Fa'Lina for advice, but without specifying that. Growing warp aci can't be a common occurrence, otherwise it wouldn't have freaked him out like that. Either that, or he has an idea what did it and it scares him.
I just hope we find out what Abel fears in this case. I can't stop thinking about what it might be. It's definitely not Fa'lina because he would nead Fi to get to SAIA.
Quote from: Madmann135 on May 24, 2009, 03:03:43 AM
I'm starting to think that Fi just got a charge from Dan's magical leveling up and the buildup was released as Fi 'growing up...' That or Fi was the victim of a cubi/Warp-Aci joke.
FiZilla
Perhaps Fi's size change is caused by something else than Cyra, because I don't think Abel would panic because of Tri-wing making a dream visite.
Does Fi have an off button?
Where would such a button be located?
Quote from: insidexml on May 24, 2009, 04:19:45 AM
Where would such a button be located?
Dragging the conversation back into the gutter, the only other innocent entity I know of with an off button is Chi of Chobits, and that off button? well...
I wonder if Cyra visiting Dan and Fi growing big (I reserve judgement on if he grew up :p ) might have some link.
Quote from: Garsemor on May 24, 2009, 03:18:39 AM
I just hope we find out what Abel fears in this case. I can't stop thinking about what it might be. It's definitely not Fa'lina because he would nead Fi to get to SAIA.
Warp-aci seem to be mostly considered fashion accessories. It is possible to teleport without them, though it is possible that Abel chose not to for some obscure reason. It seems to me to be far too useful a thing to skip in favour of grass-growing, though.
Whatever it is, it looks like Abel has some idea of what it is and it isn't necessarily good.
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 24, 2009, 05:56:19 AM
Quote from: Garsemor on May 24, 2009, 03:18:39 AM
I just hope we find out what Abel fears in this case. I can't stop thinking about what it might be. It's definitely not Fa'lina because he would nead Fi to get to SAIA.
Warp-aci seem to be mostly considered fashion accessories. It is possible to teleport without them, though it is possible that Abel chose not to for some obscure reason. It seems to me to be far too useful a thing to skip in favour of grass-growing, though.
Whatever it is, it looks like Abel has some idea of what it is and it isn't necessarily good.
given Abel's age, and his time at Saia, it's entirely plausible that he has seen or heard of it before.
Either way, i'm guessing that Warp-Aci aren't the only things that could get him to SAIA, he could Seek out and ask Mab, for example. Or there are other alternatives.
Quote from: Turnsky on May 24, 2009, 06:18:59 AM
Either way, i'm guessing that Warp-Aci aren't the only things that could get him to SAIA, he could Seek out and ask Mab, for example. Or there are other alternatives.
I forgot to mention that we've seen Aniz do this. No warp-aci for him.
Perhaps he went to go get Fi a patch :3
My guess for off button would be clan mark.
Perhaps something that would cut Fi off from outside detection/energies like that sword (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_605.php), might undo/slow growth
Quote from: Deebs' giraffe on May 24, 2009, 06:30:02 AM
Perhaps something that would cut Fi off from outside detection/energies like that sword (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_605.php), might undo/slow growth
You've just hit on an interesting idea though you may not have realised it.
See this strip: http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_422.php
...it looks like Cyra has somehow protected her children from detection, which is probably a good idea if all or most Dragons want them all dead. Abel's degree of panic might imply that this event has left Dan vulnerable somehow.
Oh hey, now I imagine Shadow of the Danlossus.
Colossus Dan, rampaging through the world~
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 24, 2009, 06:44:07 AM
You've just hit on an interesting idea though you may not have realised it.
See this strip: http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_422.php
...it looks like Cyra has somehow protected her children from detection, which is probably a good idea if all or most Dragons want them all dead. Abel's degree of panic might imply that this event has left Dan vulnerable somehow.
Hmmm...but I doubt it would be from Cyra's end (why would she put her own clan in danger?), so would it be Fi's association to the clan, perhaps combithed with the souped up energy? A Cyra beacon if you wil?
Quote from: Deebs' giraffe on May 24, 2009, 07:06:16 AM
Hmmm...but I doubt it would be from Cyra's end (why would she put her own clan in danger?), so would it be Fi's association to the clan, perhaps combithed with the souped up energy? A Cyra beacon if you wil?
That kind of thing, yes. AFAIK the only other time we've seen Abel go quite this ballistic was when he ran into Pyroduck. Either that or Fi has simply become too powerful for Dan or himself to control, which itself could be quite nasty. After all, the spell holding Fi together was cast by Fa'Lina for her own personal use, so Fi might be considerably more powerful than a regular student's aci.
I think that the idea that the problem is that Dan has become detectable because of Fi's powerup is a good one.
Abel only complains about the timing. Apparently such events happen (although Fi strangely doesn't seem to know about them) and are not alarming. It's just that the timing was wrong. The timing was probably wrong because they are away from SAIA, the safe haven. The question would remain why Fi couldn't just carry him there...
I doubt that Cyra was in any way involved in that. It was probably more Abel's speech than anything else that prompted the growth.
Even if Fi would more powerful than Dan this isn't Pokemon. You don't need to be strong to make them obey you. The demonology says that the warp-aci are loyal to whomever they serve, and I don't think that Dan would have problems whit him if he would go out of hand. After all Fi is chide minded and he doesn't even know the full extent of his power, not to long ago he discovered that he can adjust his gravity so anything new will either happen in about 1000 more comics, or they would have to be brought to his attention for him to even realize.
Why do I get the feeling he's getting Aaryanna, Fa'lina, or Dan's mom?
I'm a bit silly in the ideas department. :mowcookie
I also officially love Fi. <3
Quote from: Garsemor on May 24, 2009, 09:04:59 AM
Even if Fi would more powerful than Dan this isn't Pokemon. You don't need to be strong to make them obey you. The demonology says that the warp-aci are loyal to whomever they serve, and I don't think that Dan would have problems whit him if he would go out of hand.
It also says "Most summoners are bright enough to know not to summon something with enough power to cause them trouble... most..." And therein lies the rub. Dan adopted Fi, he didn't summon it - Fa'Lina did, and something that she can chastise if it gets out of hand might not be something that Abel and Dan can even contain.
Another arguement for "Fi being more detectable" is that Abel didn't get Fi to get the stuff instead, which would presumably be quicker.
Quote from: Toast on May 24, 2009, 09:17:43 AM
Why do I get the feeling he's getting Aaryanna, Fa'lina, or Dan's mom?
I'm a bit silly in the ideas department. :mowcookie
I also officially love Fi. <3
I myself wouldn't be surprised if this were the case........ It's just one of those standard reactions to something like this happening.
"oh no, something I don't know how to deal with has happened! what should I do? I know, find someone who does know what to do!"....... Sorta normal...... then again, it's Amber in control of the comic, so who knows what might happen! :P
Quote from: Madmann135 on May 24, 2009, 03:03:43 AM
Would you take advice from a child?
(http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t90/Kazzellin/eviloverlordtips12.jpg)
Sorry, had to be said. ;)
(Not sure who made the poster originally; I got it from a DnD discussion web site. It's been one of the pictures I use in my screen saver for a few years now. :sweatdrop )
That being said, Fi is very amusing in the second panel with his arms all flailing about. Whee~!
Now the question is what did Abel go get, and where did he go to get said items? Hmmm. . .
Edit: Sorry, Toast, but I don't think Abel would have gone to get Aaryanna. They don't exactly get along... >:3
Ok, after a random memory that flew thought my head, I can safely say that Abel is not going to get someone from SAIA or from anywhere too distant, because according to page 673 (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_673.php) he can not teleport as is pointed out in the 3th panel where he says "You have a warp-aci to teleport you". If he knew how to teleport he would have instead of doing this http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_670.php. So it I think he is really going to get a object and not a person since he is the only one who knows anything about warp-aci and cubi who can be contacted.
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 24, 2009, 06:44:07 AM
You've just hit on an interesting idea though you may not have realised it.
See this strip: http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_422.php (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_422.php)
:ot
When I look at somebody's posted links, I often go back and forth in the strip to see what came before and after. If you remember, I previously stated that non-canon information from Amber may become significant if it is reinforced in canon. The relationship between Lorenda and Dan in the Janus Bond segment (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_446.php) is definitely non-canon. Lorenda's method of saving Dan from Dark Pegasus/Uncle Aliph (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_984.php) appears to be definitely canon. :kittydevious Of course, running this up the flagpole may induce some people to take aim with a cannon.
Edit:
It is also possible that the spells protecting SAIA also make it easier for cubi to teleport in and out.
Just so something that I say is on topic.
Just another :ot
I just know randomly came to me that except for DP (and Abel if we count the surprise bat attack) everything else that beat up Dan was female just look at this list of times Dan got beaten up:
Aliyka: http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_904.php
Fa'lina: http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_493.php and http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_588.php
Wildy: http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_582.php
DP's henchmen 1 and 2: http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_879.php
DP's henchmen 3 and 4: http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_892.php
(sort of) Aaryanna: http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_292.php
(was mentioned but never shown) Regina: http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_973.php 2nd panel, not sure if I can count the tray attack.
(High probability) Alexis: can't remember if any.
I'm not sure if I missed any.
Quote from: Garsemor on May 24, 2009, 01:59:38 PM
Just another :ot
I just know randomly came to me that except for DP (and Abel if we count the surprise bat attack) everything else that beat up Dan was female just look at this list of times Dan got beaten up:
(snip)
(High probability) Alexis: can't remember if any.
(snip)
http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_674.php
With regards,
Ted
Abel went to dump Dan's existing wardrobe and replace it with a bunch of shoulder-covering shirts :)
Although Dan does seem to be beaten up by women a lot, it doesn't mean they're the only people to beat him senseless............ after all, he was an adventurer, it's more than likely there were several Males who beat him senseless when he first started out other then DP
Quote from: Aganerral on May 24, 2009, 03:00:25 PM
Abel went to dump Dan's existing wardrobe and replace it with a bunch of shoulder-covering shirts :)
And just in case, new shoulder-covering dresses. :P
Quote from: Buhamet on May 24, 2009, 03:02:16 PM
Although Dan does seem to be beaten up by women a lot, it doesn't mean they're the only people to beat him senseless............ after all, he was an adventurer, it's more than likely there were several Males who beat him senseless when he first started out other then DP
I always thought it was because he tends to give the "I won't go easy on you just because you're female!" speech instead of actually beating them up.
Or it might just be the sheer amount of violent women he surrounds himself with. All his guy-friends seem pretty harmless compared to Alexsi/Wildy/Lorenda/Aliyka and the rest.
Quote from: Indy on May 24, 2009, 06:06:29 PM
Quote from: Buhamet on May 24, 2009, 03:02:16 PM
Although Dan does seem to be beaten up by women a lot, it doesn't mean they're the only people to beat him senseless............ after all, he was an adventurer, it's more than likely there were several Males who beat him senseless when he first started out other then DP
I always thought it was because he tends to give the "I won't go easy on you just because you're female!" speech instead of actually beating them up.
Or it might just be the sheer amount of violent women he surrounds himself with. All his guy-friends seem pretty harmless compared to Alexsi/Wildy/Lorenda/Aliyka and the rest.
Though it's probable that's cause only strong/violent women can put up with his antics anyhow.
Quote from: Garsemor on May 24, 2009, 01:59:38 PM
Just another :ot
I just know randomly came to me that except for DP (and Abel if we count the surprise bat attack) everything else that beat up Dan was female just look at this list of times Dan got beaten up:
...
DP's henchmen 1 and 2: http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_879.php
DP's henchmen 3 and 4: http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_892.php
...
I'm not sure if I missed any.
Are you claiming that Graz (DP's henchmen 3 and 4) (http://dmfa.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_Cameo_Appearances#Arc_24:_The_Return_of_Dark_Pegasus.3F) is a girl. The character doesn't look girlish.
*greases palms, and then violently yanks thread in a different direction*
Let's assume for the moment that Fi's reaction is an accurate rendition of what Abel actually said. (Chancy, I realize. Fi is still less than reliable) Something startled Abel something fierce, and we see in comic number 992 that while Abel is angry at Fi, he doesn't seem to be in a hurry to go anywhere. Indeed, if he's serious about Dan's safety, he'd probably want to stay at Lost Lake Inn and provide protection.
But along in comic # 993, he somehow turns Fi into a giant and that seems to scare him. Note the tail in between his legs, and his Amberized obscenity. I'm pretty sure this is the first time we've seen Abel use an expletive in the entire run, although I'm not up to running through Abel's entire speech history at the moment.
So I want to ask, what is such a big deal with enlarging Fi that would frighten Abel so? I've got the glimmerings of a theory, but it's barely developed at this point. It's along the lines that since Warp Aci reflect their clan (I mean, look at the huge cyra symbol on Fi) it would stand to some reason that only the clan leader, or perhaps clan members can affect them in the sense of providing permanant alterations. Fi still has that Cyra symbol though, so perhaps Abel just (unwittingly) signed up for a clan that's potential dragon bait.
Quote from: Corgatha Taldorthar on May 27, 2009, 06:38:06 PM
*greases palms, and then violently yanks thread in a different direction*
Let's assume for the moment that Fi's reaction is an accurate rendition of what Abel actually said. (Chancy, I realize. Fi is still less than reliable) Something startled Abel something fierce...
...it would stand to some reason that only the clan leader, or perhaps clan members can affect them in the sense of providing permanant alterations. Fi still has that Cyra symbol though, so perhaps Abel just (unwittingly) signed up for a clan that's potential dragon bait.
I'm sure it would take something vastly more involved than interacting with another clan's warp aci to join that clan. What scared Abel is something to do with Fi's growth, whether he knows the cause or not. Either way he knows it's something significant, and beyond his ability to handle alone.
Quote from: AmigaDragon on May 27, 2009, 10:18:27 PM
Quote from: Corgatha Taldorthar on May 27, 2009, 06:38:06 PM
*greases palms, and then violently yanks thread in a different direction*
Let's assume for the moment that Fi's reaction is an accurate rendition of what Abel actually said. (Chancy, I realize. Fi is still less than reliable) Something startled Abel something fierce...
...it would stand to some reason that only the clan leader, or perhaps clan members can affect them in the sense of providing permanent alterations. Fi still has that Cyra symbol though, so perhaps Abel just (unwittingly) signed up for a clan that's potential dragon bait.
I'm sure it would take something vastly more involved than interacting with another clan's warp aci to join that clan. What scared Abel is something to do with Fi's growth, whether he knows the cause or not. Either way he knows it's something significant, and beyond his ability to handle alone.
You're probably right. What I was trying to say (and probably doing badly) was that Abel seems to be pretty dedicated to Dan's safety. If Fi's growth is something that threatens Dan, he'd probably
A. Not allow Fi to go into Dan's room (although it might not be Fi directly that's the danger, rather something that Fi's growth will attract)
B. Go for help. The thing is, surely he has enough magic to send a message to Fa'Lina (or whomever) without having to go personally. I mean, he seems to have a significant amount of magic.
What I'm putting forward isn't that whatever happened to Fi makes things dangerous to Dan, but that whatever happened to Fi made things dangerous to Abel. Granted, that doesn't jibe well with the line that "Don't let Dan leave the inn until I get back", but on the other hand, unless there's something special about Lost Lake Inn that we peons don't know about, it's hard to see how Dan is any safer at Lost Lake than anywhere else. Indeed, there are probably people who know that he lives there, and if they wish to do him harm, that would be the first place to look.
Quote from: Corgatha Taldorthar on May 28, 2009, 11:32:54 AM
B. Go for help. The thing is, surely he has enough magic to send a message to Fa'Lina (or whomever) without having to go personally. I mean, he seems to have a significant amount of magic.
Difficult to say. When he learned about Pyroduck, Abel went straight to Fi and asked/ordered it to tell Fa'Lina.
Why would he do that if he didn't need to use Fi? 'Course, Fi turning up at all was unplanned, so there are valid arguments on both sides.
Quote from: Corgatha Taldorthar on May 28, 2009, 11:32:54 AM
Quote from: AmigaDragon on May 27, 2009, 10:18:27 PM
Quote from: Corgatha Taldorthar on May 27, 2009, 06:38:06 PM
*greases palms, and then violently yanks thread in a different direction*
Let's assume for the moment that Fi's reaction is an accurate rendition of what Abel actually said. (Chancy, I realize. Fi is still less than reliable) Something startled Abel something fierce...
...it would stand to some reason that only the clan leader, or perhaps clan members can affect them in the sense of providing permanent alterations. Fi still has that Cyra symbol though, so perhaps Abel just (unwittingly) signed up for a clan that's potential dragon bait.
I'm sure it would take something vastly more involved than interacting with another clan's warp aci to join that clan. What scared Abel is something to do with Fi's growth, whether he knows the cause or not. Either way he knows it's something significant, and beyond his ability to handle alone.
You're probably right. What I was trying to say (and probably doing badly) was that Abel seems to be pretty dedicated to Dan's safety. If Fi's growth is something that threatens Dan, he'd probably
A. Not allow Fi to go into Dan's room (although it might not be Fi directly that's the danger, rather something that Fi's growth will attract)
B. Go for help. The thing is, surely he has enough magic to send a message to Fa'Lina (or whomever) without having to go personally. I mean, he seems to have a significant amount of magic.
What I'm putting forward isn't that whatever happened to Fi makes things dangerous to Dan, but that whatever happened to Fi made things dangerous to Abel. Granted, that doesn't jibe well with the line that "Don't let Dan leave the inn until I get back", but on the other hand, unless there's something special about Lost Lake Inn that we peons don't know about, it's hard to see how Dan is any safer at Lost Lake than anywhere else. Indeed, there are probably people who know that he lives there, and if they wish to do him harm, that would be the first place to look.
I have to agree whit the fact that Abel didn't somehow join Cyra clan by mistake. 1) it hasn't been said anywhere that cubi can change they're clan let alon whit out they're direct approval. 2) It would most likely need the clan leader's or at least a high ranking official's approval + a small but powerful enough ritual to break the ties between they're former clans blood link and install in them the new clan's blood link. (For those who don't know what a blood link is. It's the link that taps in to the persons natural magical in games this is something identical to what you gain your MP back when you rest. But blood links are not only connected to this one person but to the whole family's blood line, in this case the clan.)
I yelled at the neighbors dog.
It did something it wasn't supposed to do and drank Drain-ol.
I looked a little scared cuz something happened I didn't expect.
Quote from: Garsemor on May 28, 2009, 12:01:16 PM
I have to agree whit the fact that Abel didn't somehow join Cyra clan by mistake. 1) it hasn't been said anywhere that cubi can change they're clan let alon whit out they're direct approval. 2) It would most likely need the clan leader's or at least a high ranking official's approval + a small but powerful enough ritual to break the ties between they're former clans blood link and install in them the new clan's blood link. (For those who don't know what a blood link is. It's the link that taps in to the persons natural magical in games this is something identical to what you gain your MP back when you rest. But blood links are not only connected to this one person but to the whole family's blood line, in this case the clan.)
There is an "Adoption Ritual" that can induct a Cubi in a different clan, almost always into a stronger one (what would be the point of joining a weaker clan) Ref Amber 2005 (http://nice.llearch.net/dmfa_forum1863.htm#ref4) H/t Tapewolf
"Clans can be switched over through a particular marriage process or being adopted, but the ties behind it to the individual being adopted are often weaker. However any children born under that clan title would get full benefit. Meaning if Cubi A who is from a weak clan marries Cubi B who is from a L'Enfant clan. Cubi A gets more power though not as much as if they were a natural. However children from Cubi A and B will be passed onto full benefits. "
But accidentally, nah.