Sorry to tell you but most all the Internet filtering companies have banned this place.
But the NICE isn't.
Just so you know most that use a Library or a Government computer are not able to go here.
Websense? That crap happens all the time, with little warrant. Soshi's comic had it happen, so did John Dvorak (Editor for PC Magazine).
Just takes a simple call or e-mail to the people to get you removed, but it does say a lot about net neutrality.
If I understand this correctly, couldn't they use proxies or an http tunnel prog or something to slip through the cracks? If anyone needs to get through i'm sure there are lots of people here other than me capable of handing out solutions.
Except that all the proxy sites get blocked by WebSense anyway.
So then the only alternative is http tunnel, and I've gotten that to work in some pretty extreme situations...
Proxies work, I did that when I worked at an elementary school.
HOWEVER... Getting caught at a library or government job with a proxy is bad news for your job situation.
Just have the sites you want to visit taken off their restricted list.
$45 a year. Not too bad, since it always works. I believe you need to be able to install, though, assuming you're using a network.
Interesting. I didn't realize this had become a chatroom. ;)
As far as I know, libraries, while obilgated to protect children, are also obligated to provide unrestricted access to adults by the . My day job is at a library, and I've had no problem with Clockwork Mansion's URL. (ICVD, the sister site... that would be a different story.)
Since this isn't a porn site, or a site promoting illegal gambling, your library should be able to enable this URL (and shouldn't have any grounds for refusing your request.), as censorship and restricting access is against the ALA code of ethics.
quick solution: web proxies with base64 encoding = safe surf disabled.
www.hidemyass.com is a good example
This may be a site specific thing. I work at a govt. instillation and because of such there are certain things they monitor and keep an eye on. We've had Yahoo banned because of too much spyware. Just an example and they have a reason pop up every time a page is blocked.
At the current time this site is blocked from where I work with the reason being "Games" Of course they don't want you playing games on company time. Reasonable. My guess is that the (meta?)tags in the site somewhere have games in it. (Not sure, didn't actually check this out myself)
Site specific would explain why you may be able to view it at some libraries and not at others. Depends on what their administrators have blocked and allowed.
Quote from: BillBuckner on July 16, 2006, 11:15:06 PM
Except that all the proxy sites get blocked by WebSense anyway.
Odd. I've worked for the State of AK, and used there comps many times. I've only seen a few proxy sites blocked. Usually not too difficult to find one that is allowed.
Unlike most schools, our network admin isn't a complete idiot. He's probaly blocked the proxies himself. However, some of the library staff, who can control the block list as well, are idiots. They added google image search to the blocked list after someone printed out Bad Pictures. So, everyone used google.ca.
I don't think anyone cares if the NICE is on a blocked list or not, btw. We aren't on the NICE anymore, nor are we going to be.
Er, you have it the wrong way around. you should be worried about how this site is blocked, and thus a number of people aren't going to have an easy time getting in often.
We have R rated sections of the forum. I can't honestly say you should be able to veiw this at work or at school.
Quote from: Wildy on July 17, 2006, 01:52:19 AM
This may be a site specific thing. I work at a govt. instillation and because of such there are certain things they monitor and keep an eye on. We've had Yahoo banned because of too much spyware. Just an example and they have a reason pop up every time a page is blocked.
At the current time this site is blocked from where I work with the reason being "Games" Of course they don't want you playing games on company time. Reasonable. My guess is that the (meta?)tags in the site somewhere have games in it. (Not sure, didn't actually check this out myself)
Site specific would explain why you may be able to view it at some libraries and not at others. Depends on what their administrators have blocked and allowed.
Most web proxies can do the following (rotate13, base64, and meta-strip do it for my school's system)
Include Form: Includes a mini URL-form on every HTML page
Remove Scripts: Remove client-side scripting (i.e. Javascript)
Accept Cookies: Accept HTTP cookies
Show Images: Show images
Show Referer: Show referring website in HTTP headers
Rotate13: Use rotate13 encoding on the URL*
Base64: Use base64 encoding on the URL*
Strip Meta: Strip meta HTML tagsStrip Title: Strip Website title
Session Cookies: Store cookies for this session only
*Encodes the URL to disable address searches (Ie www.GAMES.com can be banned because of the word "games" but base64 and rotate13 encode)
Off topic! :yeahthat
.... I'm clueless.. But I'm sure if I tried to do some sort of Hack at work to view things that are blocked I would get the SMACKDOWN from the 24 hour monitoring they do of the network.. And lose my job.. And such and such and such..
Agreed with Darkmoon though. It -shouldn't- be viewed at some places. That is why content is blocked.
darn...this means no sneaking on during School with the Laptops :mowsad
Only if your school has it blocked.
As was mentioned, being on a blocked list is no big surprise for me. ICVD has been on it for a long time now. I actually contemplated asking one of the companies "why" once, but then I realized that I would end up getting this laundry list of complaints back... and yeah... not worth the effort.
:zombiekun2
As I said before, it's nothing personal. They do it was a broad-sweeping search, and your name can easily be taken off their list with an e-mail. Hell, websense even blocked Penny Arcade for a bit (which they probably should have) but then had the thing removed at Tycho's request.
Yeah, I know. And I think Damamris has requested that it be removed.
I just can't in all honest debate it being on the list.
It's probably blocked at my school. We have Websense for our blocking program, and it's pretty damn strict. DeviantArt was blocked for a really long time, because of "adult content" and being a "chat room", despite the fact that I go to an art school, and half the kids have accounts on DA that they use as digital portfolios.
:meh
hmm... I thought another banned chatroom was the subject of this thread... meow...
I thought you guys opened your digital doors to any that wanted to participate? xD
I e-mailed Websense earlier today, and this is what they sent back:
Greetings. Thank you for your inquiry. Your site is correctly
categorized under Games. If your company chooses to restrict access to
the Games category, then that is the reason it is blocked, not
necessarily because it contains objectionable content.
Thank you,
The Websense Web Team
I have e-mailed them back asking why we are catagorized under games, when 90% of our activity is in discussion.
Please note that I have reclassified the "Game" forum as "Entertainment." Rather than for posts about entertianment, it is for posts that are strictly entertaining, and serve no actual discussion purpose.
How lame! When I worked at the school district, we could just call them up and have them add or detract from the list as we pleased... :U
Quote from: Darkmoon on July 17, 2006, 02:04:14 PM
Only if your school has it blocked.
Aye, it probably will be..
DARNED FILTERS!!
A bunch of people each year lose internet for bypassing filters at school. Almost as much lose it for net sending. (I got caught, but since I know the admin, I got off free)
Quote from: BillBuckner on July 17, 2006, 08:59:58 PM
Almost as much lose it for net sending. (I got caught, but since I know the admin, I got off free)
Heh, same thing happened to me.
... it still kinda bugs me the title says "chatroom". I find it very hard to think of this as a chatroom...
Which is good, because it's not.
:mwaha
Yay, changed and moved! :mowhappy
Okay, they're not going to reclassify us. They have us in Games for ever and ever amen, and given the description:
Games
Sites that provide information about or promote electronic games, video games, computer games, role-playing games, or online games. Includes sweepstakes and giveaways.
Meh, we kinda fit it pretty well, especially with the blown out forums.
Now, the good news is we're not down for objectionable content. So, we're not marked as a site. The only way that we'll get blocked is if your network admin has "games" blocked, and then you should be able to get them to add the URL to the allowed list. (unless you're at work, in which case I wouldn't try.) ;)
*whistles innocently and fiddles with the firewall*
What? What? *looks innocent*
*Is posting from work.* :D
But anyway, it's a good thing the forum's content is not considered objectionable.
Yes, that is helpful.
*scratches at the computer screen* I want.. The forum.. =( Slow days are even slower without it.
I can't really complain about the admins just doing their job though. Figures the one category that sticks, "Games", is the one they have it blocked as at work. *snickers* Though I probably shouln't be on there at work anyhow. xD
If you go seduce the network admin, you might be able to get him to allow our specific URL. (For use on lunchbreaks only, of course) ;)
... or get FKK to seduce, as appropriate... *grin*
Considering Wildy's appearance and charisma (both quite helpful), a pair of cute puppy eyes might do the trick.
Quote from: Gabi on July 20, 2006, 10:31:18 AM
Considering Wildy's appearance and charisma (both quite helpful), a pair of cute puppy eyes might do the trick.
Not with government employees it doesn't.
Surprisingly, this URL is not filtered by either the USMC or USN networks. There are some connection issues, I tend to receive 'page cannot be displayed' errors that are easily solved with refreshes. I'd like to check our proxies, but I'm not on the engineering side... just lowly enterprise admin.
I'd like to know which domain Wildy's site uses...
I could tell you, that neither Icvd nor CMF are blocked at my school or at my work. HAHAHA!
*is currently posting this from a very strict private college (I'm at a camp)*
Well... I'm not having any issues (other than bein' forced to use Internet Explorer).
Took me long enough to get back to this thread. See! See what not having this at work does! I don't lurk as often anymore!!! =(
OK, enough of that. Yeah. I've met and talked to the network admins. (Not about this) But she actually likes me etc. We get along. But as we just had network security training last week. They advise us not to surf the net at all. She says it it was up to her we'd have only access to the intranet (Or whatever it is called) and not the internet.
I don't think I'm going to be able to sweet talk them. =D Issok.
How mean :E I know someone who has that restriction. I would hate to work in a place like that.
Quote from: Wildy on July 27, 2006, 05:16:59 PM
They advise us not to surf the net at all. She says it it was up to her we'd have only access to the intranet (Or whatever it is called) and not the internet.
That, plus your "government installation" bit somehow make me imagine you working in some kind of nuclear weapons depot in a very remote part of the desert. ("Ms. San, please, PLEASE stay away from the big, red button. Yes, I know it's shiny, but still.") :P
And given how much malware and stuff is around on the net (Didn't I hear of an ad on MySpace distributing junk like that recently? I've been massively out of the loop these days, so don't quote me on it...) and how productivity-killing some sites can be, that's technically a good decision, even though you not often being able to watch us discuss everything from quantum physics and astronomy to 3am drink experiments does of course suck D:
Heh, they don't want them surfing the net because they probably use Internet Explorer and government workers have a tendancy of downloading every goddamn toolbar known to man and "somehow" saying yes to all other forms of malware installation.
Okay, so maybe that's just teachers.
Actually, saying that ...
Using Fx with NoScript (an extension) installed or K-Meleon (which has NoScript built in), would it actually be possible for anything to get into those browsers? I'd imagine that they'd both be forts of security. I've never heard anything ever actually getting past that. NoScript's protection systems are absurd though, which is why I love it.
I think the only reason people should eve really worry is if they're running Internet Explorer with a very happy and ready-to-whore ActiveX sitting in the background.
---- Edit
Dammit! You beat me to it Netami because I was sitting around and replying to IMs instead of typing up my reply. *Cough.* Though once again, we think alike.
Quote from: Rowne on July 27, 2006, 06:18:51 PM
Using Fx with NoScript (an extension) installed or K-Meleon (which has NoScript built in), would it actually be possible for anything to get into those browsers? I'd imagine that they'd both be forts of security. I've never heard anything ever actually getting past that. NoScript's protection systems are absurd though, which is why I love it.
The obvious problem would be to prove that nothing can get past it. Like, ever. And even then you'd most likely have to prove that to some dude with an expensive suit and little computer knowledge. You know, the kind who for example heard from his cousin's friend that Open Source software is more vulnerable to attacks because all the bad people can look at the sourcecode. ;)
Most managers will prefer to shut stuff like that down before risking potential damage from an unpredicted attack. The monetary wins (of allowing full net acces) for the company are minimal (unless you actually remember to weigh in the effects of the potential morale boost - but even then it will not be THAT much I think) while the potential worst-case loss is extreme (like those cases where sensitive customer data had been "stolen"[1]). So most companies will simply avoid or at least minimize the risk.
[1] - Data itself can't really be stolen unless the thief somehow manages to destroy all backups beyond the chance of recovery. The word "stolen" refers (in this case) to stuff like installing a trojan to grab a copy of the files or something like that.
If there's one thing I'll hate Microsoft forever for, it's that they take advantage of the stupidity that runs rampant in the collective mind of normality and they use it to spread FUD. It's a good point, Sid but only because people are ill-informed misanthropes. Oh the World we live in. ;p
Actually, short of some kind of weird buffer overflow bug, I'm not sure how anything could get past K-Meleon though. NoScript basically turns off everything by default other than HTML rendering, which is nice. Then one picks the sites one wishes to allow certain more dangerous aspects of web browsing to be enabled for. In a company environment, one could simply setup NoScript to not allow such entries but as you've said, that wouldn't fly with a suit-encrusted fellow who's had his fill of FUD.
Yes... government employees... many of them do like their internet access.
Them: "My computer is so slow... fix it."
Me: "My... 86 running processes and only 36 of them are system related and approved apps. Not a problem." *re-images*
Getting the time to build the images, and the corporate backing to make sure every machine is identical, has -such- an impact on workflow.
... particularly when you -can- do things like that. :-)
Quote from: Netami on July 27, 2006, 06:12:35 PM
Heh, they don't want them surfing the net because they probably use Internet Explorer and government workers have a tendancy of downloading every goddamn toolbar known to man and "somehow" saying yes to all other forms of malware installation.
Okay, so maybe that's just teachers.
`nuff said. (http://redwing.hutman.net/%7Emreed/warriorshtm/typhoidmary.htm)
Quote from: Sid on July 27, 2006, 06:08:55 PM
"Ms. San, please, PLEASE stay away from the big, red button. Yes, I know it's shiny, but still." :P
Heee... All I can do is grin at this.. >=3
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And given how much malware and stuff is around on the net (Didn't I hear of an ad on MySpace distributing junk like that recently, and how productivity-killing some sites can be, that's technically a good decision, even though you not often being able to watch us discuss everything from quantum physics and astronomy to 3am drink experiments does of course suck D:
The fact that there is so much spyware/adware/viruses out there is the reason. The fact that the mass majority of the workers here don't know squat about computers dosn't help. It isn't so much that some dope keeps dling IE toolbars but that when popups come up they don't know how to get rid of them and click on them along with other things and get themselves in trouble. DLing images out of e-mails. Etc. I've had to help a couple people who are utterly lost when the layout changes a bit after an update. And just how to foreward a message. Most of these guys are getting ready to retire and never touched a computer before and only do it here because they are REQUIRED to have a login, even if they don't want it.
Hell before I had my first web security training thinger when I first started, I didn't know that on a windows computer you right click on the toolbar at the bottom to close a popup and not the x because that can just open up another window in some cases. (They had a case of that which REALLY freaked out the worker who after not being able to close the windows panicked and yanked the power.) I think it was to a gay smut site. Which, don't get me wrong, I'm not into gay smut. Etc. Don't think there's anything wrong with people being gay and such. But when you work in an area where the people are the old fashioned types who arn't as accepting and if they saw that on your screen you'd never hear the end of it. Yeah, I'd have been worried too.
<.< >.>
They're watching me <.< >.<
There is no greater joy in life than coming into a second grade teacher's classroom and talking to her about gay porn pop ups on her computer.
"I could see a naked man!"