Well this is interesting. Plus, this might explain most of Aniz's animosity toward Destania, if he indirectly blames her for keeping him from joining his clan god I don't know my head hurts.
Siar looks awesome in that first panel. So does the dragon, even if he only exists as a silhouette.
Also probably explains Dee's crusade against dragons even if the rest of the cubi don't seem to be actively at war with dragons anymore. Aniz undoubtedly resent/hates Dee for keeping him away from that last fight. Dee doesn't seem the type to realize her actions caused that falling out, she probably blames the dragons for the upcoming breakup. And of course Aniz himself as evidenced in her vow to destroy him.
Besides questioning exactly how Siar's dress is being held up, i think she does look quite awesome.
This also explains the animosity that Aniz feels towards Dee, but doesn't quite explain where she goes to hating him.
http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_516.php (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_516.php)
^That one, I think, Bas.
Intriguing. I had heard somewhere that the Dragon Wars ended long before Aniz was born. I guess there were still isolated skirmishes 'Cubi-Dragon skirmishes or something.
Either way, I don't think we quite have the definitive answer as to how the Destania-Aniz relationship broke up.
EDIT:
It most certainly does explain the fragmentation of the clan, though.
And Amber throws another curveball at us. This is getting really interesting now...
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 08, 2009, 02:44:00 PM
Either way, I don't think we quite have the definitive answer as to how the Destania-Aniz relationship broke up.
Agreed. So far it seems we only have a reason for Aniz to feel betrayed by Destania. There must be much more to this that has yet been disclosed. Also, I wonder if Destania's mental attack to stop Aniz from leaving helped create the condition of his on-coming madness mentioned by Fa'Lina. You know, a little too strong and frying some wiring?
Brilliant comic. It helps explain things in the main comic, as well as other backstory areas.
I still don't fully understand Dee's reasoning for wanting to eliminate dragon kind fully, but this does help.
also, Aniz looks sorta like a lost child/troubled child in panel 4
Dizamn you all to Hizell!
Hmm. I'm thinking that that blast to the back of the head may have had some unintended side effects. Possibly it caused Aniz's mind to fracture more than it would have otherwise? I would figure that not being able to even help your clan as it is presumably destroyed would do some nasty stuff to your mind, but add a magical blast to the back of the head...
It is possible that Aniz fled to go fight the dragons even thou Dee -asked- him not to. Dee is just a noter cubi after all, and cubi breakups apparently end up whit broken skulls according to page 545.
I like how Aniz is less muscular in these panels than he is when you first see him. It really highlights how he probably couldn't have done too much against a dragon, but when it comes to bullying people like Abel and Hennaya around, he's more than sufficient.
I've always felt empathy for Aniz. You can read about it in the factpaper.
Am I the only one who thinks 'make' should be 'take' ?
Quote from: MT Hazard on May 08, 2009, 03:31:50 PM
Am I the only one who thinks 'make' should be 'take' ?
I think it is to "make" a sacrifice...
Quote from: rabid_fox on May 08, 2009, 03:28:15 PM
I've always felt empathy for Aniz. You can read about it in the factpaper.
Indeed.
Quote from: MT Hazard on May 08, 2009, 03:31:50 PM
Am I the only one who thinks ....
Yes. Now don't let Amber see it otherwise Bad Things may happen....
Quote from: Garsemor on May 08, 2009, 03:12:17 PM
It is possible that Aniz fled to go fight the dragons even thou Dee -asked- him not to.
I don't think that's the reason. Most likely, the combined shock of:
1. Losing his Founder
2. Losing pretty much the rest of his Clan
3. Having Destania preventing him from "saving his Founder" (yeah, right)
...plus the sudden realisation that it's down to him to continue the Clan (which won't happen if he marries Destania) caused him to flip out a bit and pack her. The fact that she stunned him is probably immaterial by comparison.
...but we won't know for sure yet.
What intrigues me is the idea that Siar apparently managed to broadcast something to her entire clan.
Oh dear. Here comes the downward spiral...
Quote from: proeliator bradypodidae on May 08, 2009, 03:34:24 PM
Quote from: MT Hazard on May 08, 2009, 03:31:50 PM
Am I the only one who thinks 'make' should be 'take' ?
I think it is to "make" a sacrifice...
Original
"..But it was a risk all of them were willing to
make."
and
"It was not a risk Destania was willing to
make"
compare
"..But it was a risk all of them were willing to
take."
and
"It was not a risk Destania was willing to
take"
Sorry to be a pain about it but it, it only a single letter anyway, it just caught me attention.
Quote from: Arcblade on May 08, 2009, 03:40:38 PM
Oh dear. Here comes the downward spiral...
Are you really surprised?
Noted: the more I looked at it the more I'm inclined to agree.
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 08, 2009, 03:38:56 PM
What intrigues me is the idea that Siar apparently managed to broadcast something to her entire clan.
Well, if a Clan leader can send out some sort of empathic signal that allows for the tentalces with head and some sort of general boost to the clan's power, it would imply that there is some sort of connection between the founder and everyone in the clan. That such a connection can be used to send messages isn't much of a stretch.
Also, remember, we are hearing Fa'Lina's after action report. The message might have been something as simple as "HELP!" shouted (or whatever metaphor you like) to the entire clan.
I have to second/third/fourth/whatever the "first panel looks good" crowd.
Quote from: Jairus on May 08, 2009, 02:48:40 PM
And Amber throws another curveball at us. This is getting really interesting now...
I dunno, really. I mean, them losing to a dragon is fairly obvious - dragons and fae seem to be the strongest creatures (especially after a certain fae's comment that this world doesn't really matter, which is why they can be there in the first place), Destania hates dragons (and from what little we know, we knew already that she believed they were wiping the Cubi out...), ect.
Quote from: Titanium Dragon on May 08, 2009, 04:00:43 PM
Quote from: Jairus on May 08, 2009, 02:48:40 PM
And Amber throws another curveball at us. This is getting really interesting now...
I dunno, really. I mean, them losing to a dragon is fairly obvious - dragons and fae seem to be the strongest creatures (especially after a certain fae's comment that this world doesn't really matter, which is why they can be there in the first place), Destania hates dragons (and from what little we know, we knew already that she believed they were wiping the Cubi out...), ect.
No, I meant Destania knocking Aniz out, and a Dragon being involved in the cause of their breakup and/or Aniz's spiral into insanity. I don't recall any of us believing that a Dragon might have been involved in the Aniz's problem, though I may be wrong.
Huh... the clan symbol on Siar's chest isn't there. I wonder if, as a clan leader, she has such powerful magic she can hide it?
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 08, 2009, 03:38:56 PM
Quote from: Garsemor on May 08, 2009, 03:12:17 PM
It is possible that Aniz fled to go fight the dragons even thou Dee -asked- him not to.
I don't think that's the reason. Most likely, the combined shock of:
1. Losing his Founder
2. Losing pretty much the rest of his Clan
3. Having Destania preventing him from "saving his Founder" (yeah, right)
...plus the sudden realisation that it's down to him to continue the Clan (which won't happen if he marries Destania) caused him to flip out a bit and pack her. The fact that she stunned him is probably immaterial by comparison.
...but we won't know for sure yet.
I agree, but I suspect that the lead-up to Destania hitting him with a stunner from behind probably went something like this: Siar sends out the call. Aniz tells Dee that he has to go help; Dee begs him to stay in the Academy, where he'll be safe. Aniz refuses, starts to leave the Academy anyways - and Dee hits him from behind, so he can't leave.
Plus...well, we don't know (yet) if Aniz actually would have made a difference. Realistically, since he had no combat training, either with weapons or spells, it's not likely he would've made a significant difference.
But try telling him that. Not to mention anyone else from his clan who survived what was, no doubt, a massacre. "Where were you?! If we'd had just one more person there, we might have
won! We might have saved Siar!"
The guilt he'd be suffering would be bad enough - but hearing that, from what's left of his family? That may well have been what caused him to crack.
And I just thought of something: we know Aniz wasn't trained in
combat spells. But we don't know for sure that he didn't have any training in the healing arts, either - and that definitely could have made a difference, in how the battle turned. Especially if Siar died because the healers couldn't get to her soon enough...
Quote from: Basilisk2150 on May 08, 2009, 02:38:56 PM
Besides questioning exactly how Siar's dress is being held up, i think she does look quite awesome.
Remember she's a scarily powerful awesome-looking triwing 'Cubi. Even if the dress isn't the product of shapechanging, converting her fur into velcro should be simple and straightforward, and work just as well as static cling. ;)
Quote from: MT Hazard on May 08, 2009, 03:31:50 PM
Am I the only one who thinks 'make' should be 'take' ?
Please note that you aren't criticizing Amber's grammar. You are criticizing Fa'lina's grammar. That can be dangerous.
Quote from: Naldru on May 08, 2009, 07:22:16 PM
Please note that you aren't criticizing Amber's grammar. You are criticizing Fa'lina's grammar. That can be dangerous.
Since my earlier warning seems to have gone unheeded, I'll again point out that Amber doesn't suffer typo-spotting gladly (see Lost Lake section rules).
This... this makes so much sense it hurts. Poor young Aniz. I still can't forgive the somewhat older Aniz what he did to Hennya, but poor poor young kid.
When he regained consciousness and was told (or felt) that Siar and most of the clan was dead, his entire world must have shattered.
He probably did or said something that Destania considered unforgivable. She just saved his life, and then he complains?!?
Is it wrong that I feel more interested in the Last Stand of Siar against Hizell (and Implicit Multiple Stands Prior to This One, to Say Nothing of the Conflict and Circumstances Surrounding It) than the tragedy of Aniz and Destania?
I said that dragons had a part in it. They whipe out most of the clan and Aniz is speared because Destania KOs him lol. Resalting in those who survided of the clan to call him a cowered for not fighting.
Tis one of the reasons Ambers work is so bloody wonderful! :boogie
She really understands just how close love and hate are to each other and how nasty it is when one turns to the other ( or how amazing ).
Quote from: Lucheek on May 08, 2009, 04:40:34 PM
Huh... the clan symbol on Siar's chest isn't there. I wonder if, as a clan leader, she has such powerful magic she can hide it?
It's there now.
Well well, an entire clan of Cubi (minus Aniz, who doesn't really count) vs one dragon, and the cubi clan gets wiped out.
Kinda gives a sense of how powerful the dragon race really is. Except for Pyro, who seems pretty weak in his humanoid form.
Of course, to wrongs don't make a right, so Aniz and Destania are still evil in my book. They chose to give into their hatred and their journey toward the Dark Side is complete! :mwaha
Remember, there are 'Cubi, and then there are 'Cubi. There's a huge gap between someone like Dan, and someone like Destania, and another huge gulf between someone like Destania, and someone like Fa'Lina. It's entirely probable that the same rubrick applies to dragons.
Consider, this strip (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_728.php) Fa'Lina's choice of words seems to indicate that Abel, a fairly young (and presumably relatively weak) Cubi, is quite capable of killing a dragon. However, that doesn't stop the one that SIar was fighting to be some sort of awesomely powerful monstrosity. I mean, if it made a tri-wing call for help............
Quote from: Garsemor on May 09, 2009, 09:19:20 AM
Quote from: Lucheek on May 08, 2009, 04:40:34 PM
Huh... the clan symbol on Siar's chest isn't there. I wonder if, as a clan leader, she has such powerful magic she can hide it?
It's there now.
Oh... guess it was just a late-night mistake. Sorry, Amber.
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 08, 2009, 07:49:09 PM
Quote from: Naldru on May 08, 2009, 07:22:16 PM
Please note that you aren't criticizing Amber's grammar. You are criticizing Fa'lina's grammar. That can be dangerous.
Since my earlier warning seems to have gone unheeded, I'll again point out that Amber doesn't suffer typo-spotting gladly (see Lost Lake section rules).
I did apologise before, as a dyslexic and a regular forum member I should know better. So again, sorry.
Also: I see that I was voted down (-1) for this, which I understand. Still don't understand the -60 I had before though, well such is life.
Er... could someone point me to the section where the rating/karma system is discussed? I managed to get a -1 at some point and I'd like to know what to avoid. :/
Quote from: Arcblade on May 09, 2009, 04:09:34 PM
Er... could someone point me to the section where the rating/karma system is discussed? I managed to get a -1 at some point and I'd like to know what to avoid. :/
It's pretty arbitrary. Basically it's something anyone can do for whatever reason they feel like.
Some boards require a reason to be given for their karma counters, this one doesn't.
At the end of the day it doesn't mean a huge amount anyway.
(Ala Zapp Brannigan)
A thought occurs...maybe the dragon really isn't a dragon? A fae or something else entirely maybe? That might be a good reason why it was too strong for Siar, and why everyone got wiped out so easily....
Or, maybe, just unspoken, there was an ambush planned.....
Just a couple thoughts.
Quote from: Draken on May 09, 2009, 07:24:52 PM
maybe the dragon really isn't a dragon? A fae or something else entirely maybe? That might be a good reason why it was too strong for Siar, and why everyone got wiped out so easily....
Demonology says the Dragons are as powerful as the Fae, possibly more so.
Ah, well, there goes my thought. I'll just do away with it ala Old Yeller...later..
*walks away with idea*
>:3
Quote from: Draken on May 09, 2009, 07:36:38 PM
Ah, well, there goes my thought. I'll just do away with it ala Old Yeller...later..
*walks away with idea*
Well, there's nothing inherently wrong with it, it's just that it adds complexity with no obvious payoff :P
Weeelllll....maybe I'm thinking too much into this but......
Near as I can tell, Fae can live for nearly forever, and that can get any being bored....so why not strike up some trouble, cause some conspiracies, and the such? And what better way to do that than to off nearly a whole clan (or maybe they were hoping to get the whole caboodle, and it just became more interesting)?
Thus, i can see a fae eing the ultimate man/woman behind the man/woman. And I'll be honest, I'm a little biased against the fae...I am not a fan of anyone who manipulates another, especially when lives are on the line, one way or another. (And yes, that means I am NOT a good fan of Mabs...No end justifies the means!!! And this thought goes with all other chars doing the same basic thing :P)
SOoooo....I can see a fae being the "Dragon" in this case.
Quote from: Alondro on May 09, 2009, 10:22:32 AMKinda gives a sense of how powerful the dragon race really is. Except for Pyro, who seems pretty weak in his humanoid form.
Is there really evidence that Pyro is a weak dragon? It's entirely possible to be powerful but
not use your strengths. Sure, they may be weaker in their being (humanoid) forms, and younger dragons wouldn't be as powerful as older ones either.
"Hate! So full of hate!" he screamed, being crushed by the dragon sitting on his ass.
On a side note... The Siar clan seems to employ dragon-head tentacles, shown in this strip, and in strip 51. Which seems to point towards the Edward/Aniz theory..
Quote from: Psaakyrn on May 10, 2009, 09:58:21 AM
On a side note... The Siar clan seems to employ dragon-head tentacles, shown in this strip, and in strip 51. Which seems to point towards the Edward/Aniz theory..
Dan is definitely clan Cyra, so I think that's moot. Especially if Siar doesn't survive the fight with Hizell.
Not to mention that Dragon Head tentacles are a sign of a living clan leader or being very powerful.. so it doesn't really.
Whoa. This is an impressive turn of events.
Quote from: Draken on May 09, 2009, 07:45:29 PMNear as I can tell, Fae can live for nearly forever
According to Amber, any Fae will live until they don't feel like living anymore.
Quote from: Goatmon on May 11, 2009, 12:59:45 AM
Quote from: Draken on May 09, 2009, 07:45:29 PMNear as I can tell, Fae can live for nearly forever
According to Amber, any Fae will live until they don't feel like living anymore.
The way I've put it, is that theoretically they can live forever, but in practice they don't. Which is basically the same thing.
Whatever works for you!
Aniz's marking is missing, by the way.
Hah! More evidence for the Aniz/Edward theory, since it counteracts the claims Edward didn't have the marking! >:3
Quote from: Michael Chandra on May 11, 2009, 11:06:33 AM
Hah! More evidence for the Aniz/Edward theory, since it counteracts the claims Edward didn't have the marking! >:3
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Except he has the marking later, when he reveals himself to Abel.
So it's probably just an error.
I have devoted countless hours studding dragons (yes i have no life) and what i know of grate wryms and ascended dragons the oldest age groups are about the size of aircraft carriers and have the power to level a country or a whole nastions depending on the breed as well. A standered dragon is the size of a 747 and can mach a battle ship for power, so her calling in her clan to be cannon fadder as she targits the dragons vitale points is a good plan even if the loses would be above 95%
Earindil>Ancalagon the black.
And I'm pretty sure Ancalagon tops Hizell. 1, it's Tolkien. 2. Ancalagon could blot out the sun. If an elf can take down a badass dragon, why not a 'Cubi. How tough or weak dragons are totally depends on the setting. Ever read "The Dragonslayer's apprentice"? Dragons aren't very tough at all, not even on the top of the monster food chain (Certain types of giant birds are.)
Siar was quite the idiot getting the whole damn clan wiped out.
Too bad they did stay home and select a new smarter leader of the clan.
Would think she would know to NOT take on a Dragon on even terms or a fair fight.
Quote from: Zorro on May 13, 2009, 01:15:26 AM
Would think she would know to NOT take on a Dragon on even terms or a fair fight.
Well, we don't know that she started it. However, the way she handled the situation once it arose leaves a lot to be desired. That said, hindsight is 20/20.
I'm telling ya'll. Beyond the author, someone incomic wanted that fight to happen, with the result being what it was. I can foresee a huge Man Behind the man, and an even bigger Xanatos roulette.
Quote from: Draken on May 13, 2009, 09:58:55 AM
I'm telling ya'll. Beyond the author, someone incomic wanted that fight to happen, with the result being what it was. I can foresee a huge Man Behind the man, and an even bigger Xanatos roulette.
My money would be on the dragons.
Mine's on the Fae. Mab is siiiiiiinister. Why else would she want people to stick their hands into carnivorous trees?