Ooh... oh dear. Does this mean that Aliph is back? Or... what? Great, another quasi cliffhanger.
This might be a good reason for Dan to not kill Regina yet.
And thus things get more complected. =3 This should be interesting.
I think Dan just bamfed through the wall via Warp Aci. Aleph and Rigina both in BIG trouble now :mwaha
Oh great, now an even better cliff-hanger for Amber to change the scene with. So... Is Aliph back again? We'll know later.
I looks like DP is back. I wonder how he is going to react to Angry Dan.
holly spit two updates?
I think Regina futzing about in there may have taken care of cremating DP all by herself. :mowhappy It would seem that certain powerful magic items could use a bit of idiot proofing like Jyrras' lab. Dan kinda gets a bit of shock treatment too -- or would that be shockwave treatment.
Resurrecting Aliph is a pretty savvy and situationally-aware way to even the odds. Point to Regina.
I'm beginning to think this whole chapter could almost serve as a mini-comic all on its own--there is just SO MUCH GOING ON here that it's mind-boggling.... :erk
I'm trying to think of any place where I've seen a similar level of complexity, and I'm stumped. Even Chapter 18, which is so far still longer, didn't seem to have quite THAT much going on in it....
Alternatively, Regina accidentally started/finished the ritual, wound up fueling the resurrection, and got her soul eaten by Aliph. Dark Pegasus' big entrance may start with her lifeless husk being tossed out the door.
What would DP be like powered by the shredded remains of Regina's soul.
Quote from: !KCA on March 09, 2009, 01:46:16 AM
Alternatively, Regina accidentally started/finished the ritual, wound up fueling the resurrection, and got her soul eaten by Aliph. Dark Pegasus' big entrance may start with her lifeless husk being tossed out the door.
What would DP be like powered by the shredded remains of Regina's soul.
"Oh, my,
gawd! I chipped a claw! And this robe is like,
sooo tacky! It totally clashes with my hair! And red is o-u-t
OUT this season! Uh, and I've got split ends! But now I can, like, rampage and stuff! Yay!"
oooh...what if it's possession. Dark Pegasus awakens to find he IS Regina. then both of Dan's enemies will/can be smited in one toasty package. this is of course assuming Merl or Abel taught Dan fire magic or simmilar.
Quote from: MaskedRetriever on March 09, 2009, 12:30:17 AM
I think Dan just bamfed through the wall via Warp Aci. Aleph and Rigina both in BIG trouble now :mwaha
No, no, very much not the case. That blur going past Kria is Dan. Pretty sure he was launched. Also, the door is open a crack now.
I'm just wondering, based on the overall charred appearance of the doomy door in the last panel, if Dan, in a literal sense here, exploded? Quite the way to off a character, but then I'm doubtful that Cubi come with an impotent rage self destruct function, as that seems stupid. Anyway, the less ridiculous thought is that I wonder if he extruded his way through the door somehow. (Is Extrude the right word?) Or is it as a friend is suggesting, that he was blown back by the magical door frame? Blah, just felt like saying something, since I so rarely do.
Quote from: Jer-oh-me on March 09, 2009, 02:53:23 AM
I'm just wondering, based on the overall charred appearance of the doomy door in the last panel, if Dan, in a literal sense here, exploded? Quite the way to off a character, but then I'm doubtful that Cubi come with an impotent rage self destruct function, as that seems stupid. Anyway, the less ridiculous thought is that I wonder if he extruded his way through the door somehow. (Is Extrude the right word?) Or is it as a friend is suggesting, that he was blown back by the magical door frame? Blah, just felt like saying something, since I so rarely do.
No, Dan's fine. Amber is NOT going to kill off one of the two title characters at this point in the storyline, especially in such a way. It's probably more like that scene in Jurassic Park where Tim gets blown off the electric fence when the power is restored, like a security device for a panic room or something like that. Or someone (Aliph?) used magic to blow the doors open and clear the way for their triumphant entry. Which is a little more likely here.
Yep Dan was blown backward at quite some force in panel 3 he may be out of it for a bit. what exactly when on behind the door is a mystery but I believe Regina found a weapon judging by the kk before the BOOM in the bottom of panel 2
Quote from: LoneHowler on March 09, 2009, 03:50:02 AM
Yep Dan was blown backward at quite some force in panel 3 he may be out of it for a bit. what exactly when on behind the door is a mystery but I believe Regina found a weapon judging by the kk before the BOOM in the bottom of panel 2
No... not a weapon. :D Kira mentioning 'so much for getting paid', don't forget Dan was going to pay her for not resurrecting Aliph. Well, I suppose he COULD be considered a weapon of sorts. ;3
If it is Aliph, I can totally see Regina hiding behind him. Or peeking around the edge of the door as a "yeah! go get him! kick his butt!" wimpy supporter role. :u
I had originally assumed it was some kind of security device on the door. Now I'm not so sure.
I bet Dan wishes he had his robe again.
Something I don't see anyone commenting on is that Devin and Fi are unlikely to take a massive explosion to be the dryer. Time to get Abel, I think...
EDIT:
I wonder if 'Cubi have a reflex to cushion a fall etc with their tentacles?
Quote from: GabrielsThoughts on March 09, 2009, 12:33:32 AM
holly spit two updates?
Two days - one yesterday, one today.
So, it is sort of a safe room, after all. I was speculating that it was a strong room or some such thing.
And I thought that things were going to quiet down now. Hah!
With luck, Friday we get too see what Regina hath wrought. Yeah, final faceoff between Incubus Dan and Dark Pegasus does seem likely. It would be interesting to see Aliph's reaction to discovering that Daniel Ti'Fiona is an Incubus.
Quote from: inuhanyo on March 09, 2009, 07:44:55 AM
It would be interesting to see Aliph's reaction to discovering that Daniel Ti'Fiona is an Incubus.
I still say he's had pretty good grounds to suspect it.
Ouch... It seemed like the ritual Kria was going to do was a pretty dark secret. It would be odd if Regina knew it. Heh. "Resist all outer assaults" huh. Never mind that it looks like Dan managed to crack it open.. :mowninja
Quote from: Arcblade on March 09, 2009, 08:21:52 AM
Ouch... It seemed like the ritual Kria was going to do was a pretty dark secret. It would be odd if Regina knew it. Heh. "Resist all outer assaults" huh. Never mind that it looks like Dan managed to crack it open.. :mowninja
Either that or someone opened it from the inside and that's why Dan went flying backwards.
Judge by Kria's comment, i'd say DP is back... well, that and the murderous intent smoke is awesome... :3
Quote from: Basilisk2150 on March 09, 2009, 08:40:16 AM
Judge by Kria's comment, i'd say DP is back... well, that and the murderous intent smoke is awesome... :3
Initially I'd assumed she meant Dan wouldn't look quite so pretty with a lump on the back of his head and a cut lip, but yeah, DP's return seems the better bet, all things considered.
I am going to try to put things into perspective. Dan faced Aliph AKA Dark Pegasus numerous times in the past. We know that DP was defeated/slain by Dan 3 times while Dan was not an incubus and each time Aliph lost a bit of himself and some of his power.
Now Dan has some incubus training, he knows the basics of controlling and understanding his power he is a greater threat than he was before. Mad thinks the battle between Dan and Aliph is mostly one sided now.
I am going by the theory that Regina decided to resurrect Dark Pegasus herself in an attempt to double team Dan with Aliph. In a way that's a bad move as Dan might learn something dangerous (by instinct no less) or he might get a serous power boost as the pain that's going around will fuel his power.
Things have gotten interesting.
Kira was probably fixated on the idea of getting a more "flexible and enjoyable" form of payment from Dan on delaying the resurrection.
changing the subject again....what if Dan is possessed by DP/Aliph? and the crew has band together to stop him.
My bet is Regina managed to finish the Resurrection ritual and DP is back, then he blasted the door from the inside as soon as he heard who was on the other side... Regina and DP tag battle Dan who just happen to not have his awesome robe of magic protection... In the end either Lorenda or Kria or both stop the battle and everybody talk it over some Devin's sandwishes and DP and Regina end up being support characters in the comic, pretty much like Kria is at the moment.
Quote from: Madmann135 on March 09, 2009, 10:03:11 AM
I am going by the theory that Regina decided to resurrect Dark Pegasus herself in an attempt to double team Dan with Aliph.
If this is the case, perhaps she didn't do it right and got some undesired result. Maybe DP comes back
undead, becoming something he hates.
Quote from: AmigaDragon on March 09, 2009, 01:03:54 PM
If this is the case, perhaps she didn't do it right and got some undesired result. Maybe DP comes back undead, becoming something he hates.
That would be pretty sweet, actually. Poetic justice and all.
See, and my take on it was the magically reinforced door declining Dan entry, forcibly, and Kria expecting that Dan will decline to accept her offer on grounds of being, well, either unconscious or dead...
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on March 09, 2009, 01:23:01 PM
See, and my take on it was the magically reinforced door declining Dan entry, forcibly, and Kria expecting that Dan will decline to accept her offer on grounds of being, well, either unconscious or dead...
Ah, but it's om'inous black smoke comin' from that door. Bad sign it is, om'inous black smoke.
Yanno, one thing I've liked about this mini-series? Dan finally, for the first time in a VERY long time, gets a chance to show off the fact that he *is* a Bad Ass (tm). Come on, this is a guy who went hunting demons and stuff, killed DP three times, and in general was so Bad Ass (tm) that he actually retired from the career as an Adventurer, which doesn't happen very often (while profitable, being an Adventurer offers extremely poor retirement/medical packages).
So yea, we get to see what happens when you DO push Dan to that limit. The OMFG-meter pegs.
So we, possibly, have DP reborn (again), still weaker than previous incarnations, and still likely woozy/weak from the resurrection. I'm thinking that DP is likely not going to be living very long this time around...
Quote from: Prroul on March 09, 2009, 02:48:34 PM
Yanno, one thing I've liked about this mini-series? Dan finally, for the first time in a VERY long time, gets a chance to show off the fact that he *is* a Bad Ass (tm).
Agreed. He's been pushed around, mocked and generally abused a lot lately, and it's good to see him actually staying on top, more-or-less.
QuoteSo we, possibly, have DP reborn (again), still weaker than previous incarnations, and still likely woozy/weak from the resurrection. I'm thinking that DP is likely not going to be living very long this time around...
Dan himself is liable to be woozy/weak from being smashed by that spell. However, there is an interesting point which just occurred to me...
DP probably thinks Dan is dead.
If we look back at strip 157 we see, essentially, mutual assured destruction. In other words, they exchanged lethal blows. DP would probably not have been immediately killed, but is liable to have died about the same time as Dan did. Unless being dead gives him the ability to perceive the mortal realm, he probably died thinking that he'd taken Dan with him. If he really has returned, this could be a big day of surprises for him.
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 09, 2009, 03:00:50 PM
Dan himself is liable to be woozy/weak from being smashed by that spell. However, there is an interesting point which just occurred to me... DP probably thinks Dan is dead.
If we look back at strip 157 we see, essentially, mutual assured destruction. In other words, they exchanged lethal blows. DP would probably not have been immediately killed, but is liable to have died about the same time as Dan did. Unless being dead gives him the ability to perceive the mortal realm, he probably died thinking that he'd taken Dan with him. If he really has returned, this could be a big day of surprises for him.
Oooh... *giggles* This could be
fun...
(did not notice the ominous black smoke until now)
Whoa.
So, based on DP knowing who Destania was in this strip, (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_388.php) and knowing she had a kid, and Dan in his cubi form with his clan-identifying draconic wing-heads out... and the fact that no-one is quite sure what exactly DP is going to BE when he comes out of that door at last...
We're in for a treat.
Take as long as you need to, Amber. Anticipation is half the fun. :D
Friday, the epic scene change after abel's story
Quote from: Black_angel on March 09, 2009, 05:05:20 PM
So, based on DP knowing who Destania was in this strip, (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_388.php) and knowing she had a kid, and Dan in his cubi form with his clan-identifying draconic wing-heads out... and the fact that no-one is quite sure what exactly DP is going to BE when he comes out of that door at last...
Point of order. The wing heads merely identify him as "of a powerful clan with the clan head still alive" - not as Cyra, specifically. And since he hasn't used magic much, his Clan Mark (apparently to arrive on his shoulder or something, if I remember correctly) isn't there to identify him.
Which means that Dead Pegasus is gonna have to identify Dan as Dee's son through other means. If he can - it's by no means clear just how much of what
we know is "common knowledge", and how much is just that we're watching Dan. For that matter, it's not obvious how much of what we
don't know that is common knowledge, either. We'll just have to wait and see.
And yes, Antici...pation is half the fun. ;-]
Edit:
Oh. "... hasn't used magic much... yet" ;-]
All I can say is
FU
SION
HA!
This is a great cliffhanger and I think the next few comic are going to be eventful for Dan .
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on March 09, 2009, 06:34:43 PM
Quote from: Black_angel on March 09, 2009, 05:05:20 PM
So, based on DP knowing who Destania was in this strip, (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_388.php) and knowing she had a kid, and Dan in his cubi form with his clan-identifying draconic wing-heads out... and the fact that no-one is quite sure what exactly DP is going to BE when he comes out of that door at last...
Point of order. The wing heads merely identify him as "of a powerful clan with the clan head still alive" - not as Cyra, specifically. And since he hasn't used magic much, his Clan Mark (apparently to arrive on his shoulder or something, if I remember correctly) isn't there to identify him.
Which means that Dead Pegasus is gonna have to identify Dan as Dee's son through other means. If he can - it's by no means clear just how much of what we know is "common knowledge", and how much is just that we're watching Dan. For that matter, it's not obvious how much of what we don't know that is common knowledge, either. We'll just have to wait and see.
And yes, Antici...pation is half the fun. ;-]
Edit:
Oh. "... hasn't used magic much... yet" ;-]
As I recall, the shape of the tentacle heads
is distinctive by clan.
Well, Dan's cast page (http://www.missmab.com/Cast/dan.php) says:
Quote
Facts: Dan's new wing tentacles have draconic heads. While unknown to Dan, this is actually a clan trait ...
Implies a degree of distinctiveness. Fa'Lina's wing tentacles have heads too, and they're a different shape.
Anyway, when DP shows up, we may finally learn what the correct interpretation of the second panel in 388 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_388.php) is.
Anyone stopped to think that perhaps Dan just placed a bomb at the door? He did seem to be racing away from it in the second-last panel. Also, there seems to be blast marks on the floor.
Quote from: Orion Asmodeus Dezagrats on March 09, 2009, 09:59:06 PM
Anyone stopped to think that perhaps Dan just placed a bomb at the door? He did seem to be racing away from it in the second-last panel. Also, there seems to be blast marks on the floor.
Where would he get a bomb from? The armory next to the laundry room?
Quote from: inuhanyo on March 09, 2009, 09:12:12 PM
As I recall, the shape of the tentacle heads is distinctive by clan.
Well, Dan's cast page (http://www.missmab.com/Cast/dan.php) says:
Quote
Facts: Dan's new wing tentacles have draconic heads. While unknown to Dan, this is actually a clan trait ...
Implies a degree of distinctiveness. Fa'Lina's wing tentacles have heads too, and they're a different shape.
A degree of distinctiveness, yes. But nothing there says it's unique to his clan - merely that draconic heads are a clan trait for his clan.
Nothing there about it not being a clan trait for any other clans.
I will grant you my previous post kinda missed the "draconic" bit. ;-]
Quote from: Orion Asmodeus Dezagrats on March 09, 2009, 09:59:06 PM
Anyone stopped to think that perhaps Dan just placed a bomb at the door? He did seem to be racing away from it in the second-last panel. Also, there seems to be blast marks on the floor.
ah... where would he have gotten such a device, given that they don't exist outside of Jyrras' fevered imagination? And Jy is smart enough to avoid handing that sort of destructive device to someone who jumps off cliffs, I think...
Quote from: Jairus on March 09, 2009, 10:46:55 PM
Where would he get a bomb from? The armory next to the laundry room?
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on March 09, 2009, 10:56:00 PMWhere would he have gotten such a device, given that they don't exist outside of Jyrras' fevered imagination?
From Amber's NyQuil-influenced brain.
Quote from: ChaoSynergy on March 09, 2009, 07:22:12 PM
All I can say is
FU
SION
HA!
imagines fat Aliph/Regina combo....then sickly combo... darn shame fusion never works right the first few times.
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 09, 2009, 01:04:24 PM
Quote from: AmigaDragon on March 09, 2009, 01:03:54 PM
If this is the case, perhaps she didn't do it right and got some undesired result. Maybe DP comes back undead, becoming something he hates.
That would be pretty sweet, actually. Poetic justice and all.
Oooh. From the Demonology pages: "While unable to reproduce normally, the Undead can gain more members to their race simply by infecting another race via a lethal bite."
...so how long does the turning process take, and what happens if an undead discovers a fresh corpse on the table?
Regina: "he'sgonnabreakdownthedoorhes'sgonnabreakdownthe...ooh. I don't know who you are, but I need reinforcements." *CHOMP*
DP: :zombiekun2
DP: DO NOT WANT! You! You did this!
Regina: *races for the door without thinking, but now can't open it to flee before DP unleashes the firebolt*
Quote from: ishidan on March 10, 2009, 01:06:34 AM
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 09, 2009, 01:04:24 PM
Quote from: AmigaDragon on March 09, 2009, 01:03:54 PM
If this is the case, perhaps she didn't do it right and got some undesired result. Maybe DP comes back undead, becoming something he hates.
That would be pretty sweet, actually. Poetic justice and all.
Oooh. From the Demonology pages: "While unable to reproduce normally, the Undead can gain more members to their race simply by infecting another race via a lethal bite."
...so how long does the turning process take, and what happens if an undead discovers a fresh corpse on the table?
Regina: "he'sgonnabreakdownthedoorhes'sgonnabreakdownthe...ooh. I don't know who you are, but I need reinforcements." *CHOMP*
DP: :zombiekun2
DP: DO NOT WANT! You! You did this!
Regina: *races for the door without thinking, but now can't open it to flee before DP unleashes the firebolt*
Well, first of all, I think the entity in question has to be bitten
before they die in order to become Undead. DP is already dead, so the bite's not going to work. He'd have to be raised as an Undead, like what had to have happened to Devin since the Undead didn't exist at the time. Which could be a botched resurrection ritual.
And second, the only undead in the Soulstealer house is Devin. Regina is a normal demon who has a scarred wing and doesn't regrow it because she thinks it looks cool (http://www.missmab.com/Cast/regina.php).
PS: Welcome to the forums, BTW!
If you really want to push the envelope, MAYBE a bite within a minute or two after death MIGHT have a chance of the freshly dead rising, but that would be a very narrow window of opportunity, not like the full day prior to death. Then again, there's no particular reason they'd be willing to help unless it's apparent tthat it would be in their best interest for continued (now undead) existence.
Quote from: GabrielsThoughts on March 10, 2009, 12:28:41 AM
imagines fat Aliph/Regina combo....then sickly combo... darn shame fusion never works right the first few times.
Oh. I assumed he meant Deuterium-Tritium fusion, and was kind of confused.
Okay...
Some of the subtext that we seemed to have bypassed during our speculation on DP's return (and as what - my vote is as a dark mow), and whether or not Dan caused the explosion that opened the door (I doubt it - looks like he was blown back, not running away, as if he had done the later, he'd have done it before the explosion):
Has anyone else noticed that Lorenda and Kria are casually discussing simply opening the door (which would allow Dan to kill Regina in a particularly nasty and painful manner)? Lorenda makes the suggestion, and Kria's stated reason is that she doesn't because she can't, not because she wouldn't if she could. Neither of them seem to be considering trying to get Dan to cool down just yet, nor do they seem to be overly conserned about whether or not Regina survives his wrath.
Which seems to fall in step with typical creature philosophy: If Regina doesn't survive, she didn't deserve to live...
Something odd just occurred to me. According to Kria, the room that Dan is (was?) in can only be opened from the inside. So why did Regina seem so relieved when she closed the door on him? Maybe she just assumed that any significant barrier between herself and Dan would afford her enough time to make a getaway, but it seems odd that if the chamber is designed to be opened from the inside, Dan can't find his way out.
OTOH, being in a towering rage would probably make Dan more likely to try to smash his way out then finding the knob, or whatever mechanism opens the door. And judging from #978, the room seems to be soundproof, so Kria and Lorenda can't even shout out instructions, assuming whatever that Boom was didn't make the question moot.
Final note. Kria saying "I would if I could but I can't so I shant." had me cracking up. It's such an archiac phrasing, and it flies in the face of how "in touch" Kria always tries to act.
Quote from: Corgatha Taldorthar on March 10, 2009, 11:52:18 AM
Something odd just occurred to me. According to Kria, the room that Dan is (was?) in can only be opened from the inside. So why did Regina seem so relieved when she closed the door on him? Maybe she just assumed that any significant barrier between herself and Dan would afford her enough time to make a getaway, but it seems odd that if the chamber is designed to be opened from the inside, Dan can't find his way out.
OTOH, being in a towering rage would probably make Dan more likely to try to smash his way out then finding the knob, or whatever mechanism opens the door. And judging from #978, the room seems to be soundproof, so Kria and Lorenda can't even shout out instructions, assuming whatever that Boom was didn't make the question moot.
Other way around, Corgi:
Regina's the one locked into the safe/panic room (where Aliph's body is), and Dan's the one locked out. So, however it opens is on the other side of the door, and Regina was relieved because she A) had a barrier between her and Dan and B) was in a room that he couldn't get into.
Quote from: Terrion on March 10, 2009, 08:09:27 AM
Okay...
(snip)
Has anyone else noticed that Lorenda and Kria are casually discussing simply opening the door (which would allow Dan to kill Regina in a particularly nasty and painful manner)? Lorenda makes the suggestion, and Kria's stated reason is that she doesn't because she can't, not because she wouldn't if she could. Neither of them seem to be considering trying to get Dan to cool down just yet, nor do they seem to be overly conserned about whether or not Regina survives his wrath.
(snip)
This is not a casual conversation.
Quote from: LorendaMom! This is serious! We need to help him!
...You are going to go help him right?
Quote from: KriaI want to...(snip)
Lorenda is insisting almost to the point of begging that Kria help Dan.
Which makes it even more weird.
Regina, can you feel the love? :erk
With regards,
Ted
Huh. I was figuring that Dan broke the enchantment on the door by sheer force and the explosion for the unbound enchantment threw him back, but I suppose it's very likely that Aliph has returned and is now thoroughly pissed off. This is...going to be interesting.
So, who do you think we'll scene change to?
Quote from: Jairus on March 10, 2009, 11:59:51 AM
Other way around, Corgi: Regina's the one locked into the safe/panic room (where Aliph's body is), and Dan's the one locked out. So, however it opens is on the other side of the door, and Regina was relieved because she A) had a barrier between her and Dan and B) was in a room that he couldn't get into.
*deepens the palm shaped imprint in his forehead.*
That makes a lot more sense than the way I thought of it. One question though. If there's no invulnerable room in between Kria and Lorenda and Dan, then how come there aren't any sound effects in strip 978? I mean, look at him trying to kick those doors in. He should be making a considerable amount of noise.
Quote from: Arcblade on March 10, 2009, 12:19:28 PM
Huh. I was figuring that Dan broke the enchantment on the door by sheer force and the explosion for the unbound enchantment threw him back, but I suppose it's very likely that Aliph has returned and is now thoroughly pissed off. This is...going to be interesting.
So, who do you think we'll scene change to?
Probably something extremely low-key. We haven't seen Azlan in a while. He could very well be relating another Neni horror story in the next strip. Something about visiting an IHOP and destroying the place or whatnot.
Quote from: Corgatha Taldorthar on March 10, 2009, 12:27:41 PM
Quote from: Jairus on March 10, 2009, 11:59:51 AM
Other way around, Corgi: Regina's the one locked into the safe/panic room (where Aliph's body is), and Dan's the one locked out. So, however it opens is on the other side of the door, and Regina was relieved because she A) had a barrier between her and Dan and B) was in a room that he couldn't get into.
*deepens the palm shaped imprint in his forehead.*
That makes a lot more sense than the way I thought of it. One question though. If there's no invulnerable room in between Kria and Lorenda and Dan, then how come there aren't any sound effects in strip 978? I mean, look at him trying to kick those doors in. He should be making a considerable amount of noise.
I'm think that maybe it's because the background noise would detract from the foreground action. And might make the background events less funny. Also, it could make the comic a lot more cluttered. I'll call it dramatic (or in this case would it be called medium?) license on the part of Amber.
Quote from: Corgatha Taldorthar on March 10, 2009, 12:27:41 PM
Quote from: Arcblade on March 10, 2009, 12:19:28 PM
Huh. I was figuring that Dan broke the enchantment on the door by sheer force and the explosion for the unbound enchantment threw him back, but I suppose it's very likely that Aliph has returned and is now thoroughly pissed off. This is...going to be interesting.
So, who do you think we'll scene change to?
Probably something extremely low-key. We haven't seen Azlan in a while. He could very well be relating another Neni horror story in the next strip. Something about visiting an IHOP and destroying the place or whatnot.
"And that was the last time I took Neni out for waffles."
"I remember that: Belgium almost declared war on Lichtenstein."
I wonder what Wildy's been up to, especially since it's only been a few days since she and Jyrras had their little argument over the Janus Bond book. I could see her trying to seek Jy out to try and discuss it. Or we won't cut away and we'll see Dark Pegasus proudly and majestically stride out from the room in a wreath of dark smoke and then stumble and trip over his own feet and land flat on his face. I can't imagine he'd be very coordinated after being resurrected. Like waking up from a deep sleep or something like that.
On the other hand, Dan's probably been hurled backwards through the room from the force of the explosion. Depending on how hard he impacted with the wall or whatever the nearest object was, he might not be in much better shape than DP. Plus, while she might have displayed some apathy where Regina was concerned, I don't think she'd be all that happy of Dan and DP resuming their duel to the death in her house. She probably can stop the two of them you know.
Quote from: Corgatha Taldorthar on March 10, 2009, 12:35:40 PM
On the other hand, Dan's probably been hurled backwards through the room from the force of the explosion. Depending on how hard he impacted with the wall or whatever the nearest object was, he might not be in much better shape than DP. Plus, while she might have displayed some apathy where Regina was concerned, I don't think she'd be all that happy of Dan and DP resuming their duel to the death in her house. She probably can stop the two of them you know.
"Dark Pegasus, I shall slay you!... just as soon as the room stops spinning."
"Your time is at an end, Ti'Fiona! Oh, hello floor, didn't see you there."
"Now now, boys. We've got tea and sandwiches, and I'm not going to let you scratch up my house any more. Who's hungry? Oh, hi Regina."
"Regina?!?
REGINA?!!?!!"
"Oh, hush Danny-boy." *bops him upside the head and knocks him out*
Yeah, that was stupid. Sorry.
Unfortunately for Dan, this time DP has the advantage of magic... I wonder how this will turn out.
Quote from: FreeFull on March 10, 2009, 02:02:25 PM
Unfortunately for Dan, this time DP has the advantage of magic... I wonder how this will turn out.
DP didn't have magic before? I'm pretty sure we've seen him Zert Hannah.. which I'm pretty sure was magic...
DP had magic, Dan had clothing that protected him from magic.
... maybe DP can fwoosh (http://www.lfgcomic.com/page/205) now?
Quote from: FreeFull on March 10, 2009, 02:11:54 PM
DP had magic, Dan had clothing that protected him from magic.
Ahh... okay, that makes more sense. But, we'll have to see how this goes. It might not turn into a fight. I kinda like the idea of DP becoming a sort of ally of convenience for Dan at some point, a sort of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" circumstance. Though really, I'm patient to see where Amber takes this.
Quote from: Basilisk2150 on March 10, 2009, 02:13:34 PM
... maybe DP can fwoosh (http://www.lfgcomic.com/page/205) now?
So, DP revived as a soul that can possess others and still use his powers, and he's gonna possess Regina and use her body to fight Dan? Two of Dan's most hated enemies in the same target? Bye-bye, Dark P.
Actually, that sounds interesting... a soul that can possess others, but can only use that person's special powers and not their own. I think it's been done, though.
jay... wouldn't that make it Dark Regina... or Regina Pegasus? DR, or RP... which do want now?
Quote from: FreeFull on March 10, 2009, 02:11:54 PM
DP had magic, Dan had clothing that protected him from magic.
Protected, but didn't make him immune to it and any of it's effects on the environment. I'd like to think that DP is smart enough to realize that direct applications of magic didn't work on Dan and so that an indirect approach is more required. While an attempt to blast Dan with magical energy might fail.. a section dropped from the ceiling by magic will still crush Dan.
Quote from: Basilisk2150 on March 10, 2009, 02:18:51 PM
jay... wouldn't that make it Dark Regina... or Regina Pegasus? DR, or RP... which do want now?
Not sure. I'd call the resultant fusion Dark Pegina, because I'm weird that way. Besides, Devin's already taken DR.
Quote from: Mao Laoren on March 10, 2009, 02:21:39 PM
Quote from: FreeFull on March 10, 2009, 02:11:54 PM
DP had magic, Dan had clothing that protected him from magic.
Protected, but didn't make him immune to it and any of it's effects on the environment. I'd like to think that DP is smart enough to realize that direct applications of magic didn't work on Dan and so that an indirect approach is more required. While an attempt to blast Dan with magical energy might fail.. a section dropped from the ceiling by magic will still crush Dan.
Oh, quite. And the advantage of tactics like that is that they'd be even more effective against Dan without his robe. Of course, Dan's probably learned tactics to combat magic and magic users. It makes more sense than him not even bothering to learn about it. Just because he doesn't do magic himself doesn't mean he hasn't studied it or anything like that. Dan's probably got a good working knowledge of it, and how to fight against it.
Quote from: Jairus on March 10, 2009, 02:24:00 PM
Of course, Dan's probably learned tactics to combat magic and magic users. It makes more sense than him not even bothering to learn about it. Just because he doesn't do magic himself doesn't mean he hasn't studied it or anything like that. Dan's probably got a good working knowledge of it, and how to fight against it.
See also strip 490.
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 10, 2009, 02:26:10 PM
Quote from: Jairus on March 10, 2009, 02:24:00 PM
Of course, Dan's probably learned tactics to combat magic and magic users. It makes more sense than him not even bothering to learn about it. Just because he doesn't do magic himself doesn't mean he hasn't studied it or anything like that. Dan's probably got a good working knowledge of it, and how to fight against it.
See also strip 490.
Aha, I had a feeling I wasn't making that up off the cuff. Thanks for finding that, Tape. And smart thinking, Dan. Pity she's a bit out of your regular league of "bad guys." I'm just saying bad guys in the sense of entities he's fought, not that I think Fa'Lina is a bad guy.
Good point Jairus. Which still doest't mean the magic can't help DP. Also, if DP is smart enough to use magic indirectly to attack, why didn't he do so last time? Wouln't Kria stop him from damaging the place?
Also, remember, this is the guy that forgot to take free will away from the undead.
Quote from: FreeFull on March 10, 2009, 02:36:02 PM
Good point Jairus. Which still doest't mean the magic can't help DP. Also, if DP is smart enough to use magic indirectly to attack, why didn't he do so last time? Wouln't Kria stop him from damaging the place?
Also, remember, this is the guy that forgot to take free will away from the undead.
I dunno... I think the implication is that it was an accident on Aliph's part (http://www.missmab.com/Demo/undead.php)...
QuoteThe Undead race is the most well-known case of species creation when a powerful Demon decided to use a spell to cause the very dead of the planet to rise and form into an unstoppable army. However he made a major oversight in that while the dead did rise up, they still retained all memories and personalities of their former lives thus many had no real desire to become a grunt in an army against their living friends
It kinda sorta sounds like Aliph wasn't expecting them to retain their memories. After all, Devin (http://www.missmab.com/Cast/devin.php) didn't retain his memories or free will when Aliph created him, which was most likely a side-effect of him being a prototype for the Race. DP might not have expected that the finished version of the spell/magic ritual/whatever it was would have allowed the Undead to retain their memories or personalities, given that the earlier versions are implied not to have.
I don't know. If DP had or gains the power to posses, or take over another body...wouldn't his most annoying enemies in close proximity be the first one he'd assimilate or take possession of?
Dan being the closest candidate "for most annoying and closest candidate" ... and with regina looking like an undead
Daneliph *SMITES REGINA*.... mmm BBQ jerkey
There's also the possibility that it's an extra spell cast in the door so that no one can go in, even if they manage to get them open, unless they know the counterspell (i.e. people who need to be in there for the resurrection).
However, it doesn't explain how Regina got in - maybe in case they need her to bring something?
In the continuation of the "Fusion" idea, I am picturing this (http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w162/L337_DR460N/megsratcht70.jpg) to happen.....
(Well, I meant for the Regina/DP thoughts....)
... Abel and fi become FABLE? :U
I wonder if Dan's banishing ritual from #164 is going to muck things up any.
Well Regina does live there, she probably new about the room
As DP is Regina's second uncle, she might have been able to pull off the spell to bring him back... And as she does at least Look undead, He might have blasted her, related or not.
Quote from: Shadowcatcher on March 10, 2009, 09:04:26 PM
I wonder if Dan's banishing ritual from #164 is going to muck things up any.
If it does, DP is going to be very irritated. It wasn't much of a banishing ritual...
And he wouldn't be able to get any cookies! >:3
Dan
vs Regina is
personal. Regina made it so.
Dan
vs Dark Pegasus is professional. It's been observed (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DanAndMabsFurryAdventures) that DP, because he knows Dan believes in fighting fair, will honor the "classic ways". I can see them calmly discussing where to hold their next death match, and whether either of them needs a weapon. And then walking to the venue of their duel, and trying their best to kill one another.
It's safe to say that neither of them
likes the other, but they are worthy adversaries. There is a degree of respect there.
Heh, if they get into a discussion of how Dan got to be there, I can see DP saying something like: "If you win this, make sure Biggs doesn't shortchange you. A small reward for stopping me would be an insult."
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 09, 2009, 03:00:50 PM
Quote from: Prroul on March 09, 2009, 02:48:34 PM
Yanno, one thing I've liked about this mini-series? Dan finally, for the first time in a VERY long time, gets a chance to show off the fact that he *is* a Bad Ass (tm).
Agreed. He's been pushed around, mocked and generally abused a lot lately, and it's good to see him actually staying on top, more-or-less.
QuoteSo we, possibly, have DP reborn (again), still weaker than previous incarnations, and still likely woozy/weak from the resurrection. I'm thinking that DP is likely not going to be living very long this time around...
Dan himself is liable to be woozy/weak from being smashed by that spell. However, there is an interesting point which just occurred to me... DP probably thinks Dan is dead.
If we look back at strip 157 we see, essentially, mutual assured destruction. In other words, they exchanged lethal blows. DP would probably not have been immediately killed, but is liable to have died about the same time as Dan did. Unless being dead gives him the ability to perceive the mortal realm, he probably died thinking that he'd taken Dan with him. If he really has returned, this could be a big day of surprises for him.
And Regina hasn't referred to Dan
by name even in her thoughts, so whatever briefing she might give DP, he probably still won't be expecting
Daniel Ti'Fiona on the other side of the door.
Quote from: inuhanyo on March 10, 2009, 11:01:52 PMAnd Regina hasn't referred to Dan by name even in her thoughts, so whatever briefing she might give DP, he probably still won't be expecting Daniel Ti'Fiona on the other side of the door.
DP: You're the adventurer Regina told me about!? Dam' it, of all the adventurers there's in this world it had to be the one that has slain me 3 times already!
Know what? I'm not so sure Regina could have taken Dan without his 'cubi powers. In #973 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_973.php), Regina starts out basically giving herself a pep talk so she can face someone she merely suspects is an adventurer. The implication, I think, is that she would be hopelessly outmatched in a fight with a typical adventurer. (Yeah, that's probably obvious.)
So, if Regina tries to fight with DP, her contribution to the fight may be limited to getting clobbered and providing a source of pain for Dan. If DP realizes this, he might just kill her. After all, he can bring her back, right? How would Dan react to seeing DP kill Regina? For tactical advantage?
I'd picture it more like this:
Dan: Oh drat, DP, you're back... Uhm, next wednesday fine for you?
DP: Oh, of course, Daniel.
Dan: Good. Now could you step aside so I can kill your cousin?
DP: By all means.
"not now Daniel, i just woke up and i have a headache"
>:3
I've learned, in situations like this one, that we'll never actually guess what's really going to happen. I've tried, oh good lord how I've tried, but proficient storytellers always manage to surprise you without fail. So I'm going to go with the Vegas money on this one and place my chips on "None of the above".
... Incidentally, though, I believe the implication thus far is that DP is still dead (can't pay to stop the ceremony if it's already done), so Reggie has locked herself into a room with a corpse, or a room with a corpse and a whole pile of relatives ready to watch the corpse de-corpse-ify.
8) I thought that Fi was sent by Abel to report back if Dan was doing anything stupid. Wait till Fi finds out that the banging was of Dan's doing, and not the washing machine... (Also, what about Dan getting his power from draining the one who fears. That's what the little wings were for , were they not ? )
I don't think that's the headwings' function, they're more an indicator of 'cubi adulthood.
Quote from: AmigaDragon on March 11, 2009, 11:58:06 AM
I don't think that's the headwings' function, they're more an indicator of 'cubi adulthood.
Yeah, when Fa'Lina and Aniz had their little smackdown, Fa'Lina threatened to remove all four of Aniz' wings. The chestnut about 'Are headwings necessary?' came up again and Amber basically said "No they're not, why does everyone think so?"
I'll find the original post later...
EDIT:
Over a year ago. Doesn't time fly?
http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php/topic,4234.msg179910.html#msg179910
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 11, 2009, 12:01:04 PM
Quote from: AmigaDragon on March 11, 2009, 11:58:06 AM
I don't think that's the headwings' function, they're more an indicator of 'cubi adulthood.
Yeah, when Fa'Lina and Aniz had their little smackdown, Fa'Lina threatened to remove all four of Aniz' wings. The chestnut about 'Are headwings necessary?' came up again and Amber basically said "No they're not, why does everyone think so?"
I'll find the original post later...
I just had a vision of a Cubi's headwings being like old TV antennas, and of them flexing their wings and twitching them in different directions to try and get the best signal for emotional pickup. And because of that, I am
so glad that they're not needed.
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 11, 2009, 12:01:04 PM
Quote from: AmigaDragon on March 11, 2009, 11:58:06 AM
I don't think that's the headwings' function, they're more an indicator of 'cubi adulthood.
Yeah, when Fa'Lina and Aniz had their little smackdown, Fa'Lina threatened to remove all four of Aniz' wings. The chestnut about 'Are headwings necessary?' came up again and Amber basically said "No they're not, why does everyone think so?"
I'll find the original post later...
EDIT:
Over a year ago. Doesn't time fly?
http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php/topic,4234.msg179910.html#msg179910
Actually, other than that one comic waaaaaaaay back, about the guy flying into the plane, it seems like Furries either can't or don't fly. So aside from blood loss and possibly shock, ripping off the larger backwings probably wouldn't cripple or kill a 'Cubi (or Angel or Demon or whatever) either......
Back to this strip... between Kria's closed eyes in panel 3 and "so much for getting paid" in panel 4, I think she didn't notice the blue-feathered projectile shooting past her, and might think he got vaporized in the blast. She doesn't strike me as being the most observant creature at times.
Quote from: Corgatha Taldorthar on March 11, 2009, 12:41:02 PM
Actually, other than that one comic waaaaaaaay back, about the guy flying into the plane, it seems like Furries either can't or don't fly. So aside from blood loss and possibly shock, ripping off the larger backwings probably wouldn't cripple or kill a 'Cubi (or Angel or Demon or whatever) either......
I think the implication from that comic is that that's the reason that Furraeans
don't fly. I mean, I know it's a comedic fantasy webcomic with anthropomorphic animals that can breed across species (Kangaroo/kangaroo rat anyone?), but from a biological and evolution standpoint it doesn't make much sense if they
can't fly, even if it is with a little magical assistance. Kria was certainly about to fly in this comic (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_777.php), so I think the implication is that winged beings and creatures can fly. And I think Gryphon Cs can fly as well.
Quote from: AmigaDragon on March 11, 2009, 12:47:07 PM
Back to this strip... between Kria's closed eyes in panel 3 and "so much for getting paid" in panel 4, I think she didn't notice the blue-feathered projectile shooting past her, and might think he got vaporized in the blast. She doesn't strike me as being the most observant creature at times.
More like Dan was going to pay her for
not resurrecting Dark Pegasus for a month or so so that he could destroy the body, and if DP is back to life then Dan's not gonna pay her.
Quote from: Jairus on March 11, 2009, 12:56:11 PM
Quote from: Corgatha Taldorthar on March 11, 2009, 12:41:02 PM
Actually, other than that one comic waaaaaaaay back, about the guy flying into the plane, it seems like Furries either can't or don't fly. So aside from blood loss and possibly shock, ripping off the larger backwings probably wouldn't cripple or kill a 'Cubi (or Angel or Demon or whatever) either......
I think the implication from that comic is that that's the reason that Furraeans don't fly. I mean, I know it's a comedic fantasy webcomic with anthropomorphic animals that can breed across species (Kangaroo/kangaroo rat anyone?), but from a biological and evolution standpoint it doesn't make much sense if they can't fly, even if it is with a little magical assistance. Kria was certainly about to fly in this comic (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_777.php), so I think the implication is that winged beings and creatures can fly. And I think Gryphon Cs can fly as well.
Not so sure I agree with you, on either count. Kria seems to wear that illusion talisman more to hide her Demonic heritage than anything else. If she's going back home to her manor, she wouldn't need it anymore, so why not take it off? Just because the memes of "travel" and "reveal wings" are juxtaposed doesn't mean she's planning on taking a flight.
And biologically possible? Well, maybe with magical assistance, but if those furries are built anything along the lines of humans, wings and muscles attached to the back simply aren't going to lift up their weight too high. (Yes, yes, I know, Demons tend to be super-strong, possibly angels and 'Cubi share this)
But ultimately, I don't think it matters too much, DMFA doesn't seem to be held to ultra tight continuity anyway, so I expect the ability to fly would be based more on Amber's calculation as to whether it would be funny or useful to drive the plot along.
Quote from: Corgatha Taldorthar on March 11, 2009, 01:33:21 PM
And biologically possible? Well, maybe with magical assistance, but if those furries are built anything along the lines of humans, wings and muscles attached to the back simply aren't going to lift up their weight too high. (Yes, yes, I know, Demons tend to be super-strong, possibly angels and 'Cubi share this)
What bugs me is the lack of tail feathers. Either way, I've been taking the position that they can glide or at least control their falling, but not actually take off - at least, not without magical assistance.
Quote from: Corgatha Taldorthar on March 11, 2009, 01:33:21 PM
Kria seems to wear that illusion talisman more to hide her Demonic heritage than anything else. If she's going back home to her manor, she wouldn't need it anymore, so why not take it off?
It's not mere illusion, it's a creature to being shape change amulet (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_78.php), as evidenced by the jacket (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_777.php).
Quote from: AmigaDragon on March 11, 2009, 02:27:15 PM
It's not mere illusion, it's a creature to being shape change amulet (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_78.php), as evidenced by the jacket (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_777.php).
Also the fact that Hennya grew legs.
Quote from: Corgatha Taldorthar on March 11, 2009, 01:33:21 PM[...]
Not so sure I agree with you, on either count. Kria seems to wear that illusion talisman more to hide her Demonic heritage than anything else. If she's going back home to her manor, she wouldn't need it anymore, so why not take it off? Just because the memes of "travel" and "reveal wings" are juxtaposed doesn't mean she's planning on taking a flight.
And I counter you with #772 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_772.php), where the ability to fly for Kira is implied by thinking her daughter's wings might be able to let her do so.
It proves my point, if anything. There is no way those wings would be able to lift a fully grown demon without some sort of magical boost. Study a bird's physiology some time. Hollow bones, chest muscle density roughly 16 times that of a human being. Simply attaching wings to the back of a human, (or a vaguely humanoid animal thing) should not, by itself, confer the ability to fly.
To lift you up, the wings would have to be huge, and then there would be the problem of providing energy.
I expect, like dragons in several Forgotten Realms books, that Furrae wings use magic to fly. Or, y'know, physics in Furrae don't work like physics here. No one said they had to, y'know.
From the Gryphon B cast page:
Quote
In recent times though there has been a growing resentment among Gryphon B races of the boost in technology (especially planes) and it is rumoured that some groups of Gryphon B types will goad their larger but dumber relatives to deliberately attack planes.
Not definitive, but certainly suggestive.
Back in 357 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_357.php) Dan (age 15) stated he didn't
know how to fly with his wings, which implies that he could learn how to fly.
The Fae can fly, but they're so magical that the fact is useless, they certainly could fly even without their wings.
To a pilot, few things are as terrifying as a flying Gryphon C. Oh my.
Quote from: Arcblade on March 12, 2009, 12:47:28 PM
To a pilot, few things are as terrifying as a flying Gryphon C. Oh my.
And that's why Jyrras invented seed throwing machines. ;)
Dan can fly. Word of god has stated he knows how. He was pretending he didn't know how to mess with Jy. He was in full control and was more or less gliding during that segment. It would not be surprising if his mom taught him how to fly. She has wings of her own after all.
Quote from: Lego3400 on March 12, 2009, 02:36:33 PM
Dan can fly. Word of god has stated he knows how. He was pretending he didn't know how to mess with Jy. He was in full control and was more or less gliding during that segment. It would not be surprising if his mom taught him how to fly. She has wings of her own after all.
If he could fly, I wouldn't call it messing with Jy's head, since Dan doesn't seem like he'd be that to his friends, even a new one. It's more like Dan was trying to give Jy an adrenaline rush from apparent life-threatening danger without Jy being in any real danger whatsoever.
Actually, have we ever once seen a circumstance where Dan would
need to fly? Apart from the trapdoor at the Soulstealer mansion, but he wasn't in there alone long enough for him to need to take off. It's like with Artoo's rocket thrusters in Star Wars that show up in the Prequel but not in the original series: canonically, the rockets broke down and the company that made them went bankrupt so they couldn't be replaced, but at the same time at no point in the original series does Artoo need to use them. There's no point where Artoo gets into a mess that the rockets would be able to solve. Just a thought.
What about when he gets stuck in the swamp on Dagobah? That sounds like a situation where rockets would be handy......
Quote from: Corgatha Taldorthar on March 12, 2009, 02:46:38 PM
What about when he gets stuck in the swamp on Dagobah? That sounds like a situation where rockets would be handy......
... Have you considered what would happen if you fired off rockets while the outlets were choked with organic muck?
Big boom. Big, big boom.