For some reason, I sense conflict between Fa'Lina and Destania. Oh... I don't think I'd want to be on the receiving end of a Fa'Lina Glower.
You know, I can also sense a potential reason for why Abel doesn't like Destania: because she kept pushing him towards revenge on Aniz when Abel decided to get on with his life at Fa'Lina's urging. Though I'm probably quite wrong, and am willing to see where this goes.
In other news, the mouse lives! Huzzah! Rainbows for everyone!
(http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e143/J-RasZ/Yappities/rainbows.jpg?t=1235629565)
Or muffins.
:doommuffin
My only reaction, based entirely on Destania's dialogue, her expression, and Fa'lina's response?
"Oh, this cannot be good."
Quote from: Jairus on February 26, 2009, 01:20:40 AM
You know, I can also sense a potential reason for why Abel doesn't like Destania: because she kept pushing him towards revenge on Aniz when Abel decided to get on with his life at Fa'Lina's urging. Though I'm probably quite wrong, and am willing to see where this goes.
In other news, the mouse lives! Huzzah! Rainbows for everyone!
(http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e143/J-RasZ/Yappities/rainbows.jpg?t=1235629565)
I couldn't have said it better myself!
Not only a new update, but the update includes DESTANIA! The minute I saw her I burst out laughing! :giggle
"How...uncoincidental of you to be here."
Also, do I smell Mephistopheles here...?
Man, Amber is good at coming up with memorable one-liners. I still use the "I thought my daily dose of uppity paladin was lacking..." line at least once a week while playing WoW.
A: Dan's mom is /hot/
B: ... I really do NOT want to think about what I just said.
Quote from: Saist on February 26, 2009, 01:36:10 AM
A: Dan's mom is /hot/
B: ... I really do NOT want to think about what I just said.
"Sure thing, Oedipus."
Quote from: Baal Hadad on February 26, 2009, 01:37:27 AM
Quote from: Saist on February 26, 2009, 01:36:10 AM
A: Dan's mom is /hot/
B: ... I really do NOT want to think about what I just said.
"Sure thing, Oedipus."
"I thought only hummingbirds could fly that way."
All things considered, Between Aniz' deciding that it worth extending the ban Fa'Lina placed on his plans to enroll more of his offspring in SAIA in order to avoid Destania, and Destania's now clearly stated view that anyone in their right mind who ever met Aniz should feel the desire to torture him and rend his soul to shreds...
This puts a severe cramp in the idea of Aniz being Dan's father.
Or he's pulling a repeat with how he deceived May. And has a serious subconsious deathwish as there's no way Destania wouldn't kill him if that ever came to light...
Now, I could see the Ti'Fiona family being distantly related to the Rewanz family if Cid had any brothers or sisters from whom Edward may be decended from... :3
And yes, Dan's mom is indeed HOT! >:3
And vindictive...
And quite possibly evil...
I'd like to submit that Lorenda (http://www.missmab.com/WRY/Sketches/Weekly_P1.jpg) looks very nice after (presumably) having a dip in Jy's pool, and I absolutely love seeing work-in-progress pictures so thank you very much for this, Amber. And as Janus pointed out to me when I showed it to him, her wings seem a bit larger now. Artistic license or she's growing into them? It's a mystery for the ages.
I hope your mouse sees logic soon and returns to work properly, Amber.
And I also did not think of that, Terrion. Thanks for pointing that out. Heheh. D is indeed coming across as a bit evil here... and elsewhere, of course.
The entire first panel is distracting... I can only see Fa'Lina's breasts. Somehow I am not displeased with this.
Finally a chance to establish the classic (i.e. old) Destania personality. We know about who she was then only by reputation, and BOY did she ever make an impression on Abel and Aaryanna.
... Sorry. I haven't memorized where all the past comics in the Archive are so I can't link to those impression scripts.
Quote from: Terrion on February 26, 2009, 01:49:50 AM
And yes, Dan's mom is indeed HOT! >:3
And vindictive...
And quite possibly evil...
Agreed on all counts. And we finally see the Destania described by Abel (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_811.php). I have to wonder, though, at her first comment, about Fa'lina and revenge. There's some intriguing back-story there, that I hope we get to see eventually: all we have at the moment are hints and guesses.
I guess it's not just me that has noted that Amber seems to have set the sexy levels of her female characters on Max lately. :boogie
Quote from: Kipiru on February 26, 2009, 03:11:36 AM
I guess it's not just me that has noted that Amber seems to have set the sexy levels of her female characters on Max lately. :boogie
It's not just you. Though Dee is hot all by herself.
Somehow when I read this comic and though about when Abel and Dan were at the academy something came to mind. Who knows if Aniz is still alive... somehow I am starting to think that Edward Ti'Fona had done Aniz in going by what was said to Abel (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_527.php).
I mean Edward did marry a succubus and Dee does love him... Aniz hates her so it is not that big of a stretch that Aniz found out about Edward and decided to give her a little pain and suffering... only to be on the receiving end.
Quote from: Kipiru on February 26, 2009, 03:11:36 AM
I guess it's not just me that has noted that Amber seems to have set the sexy levels of her female characters on Max lately. :boogie
I'm sure she has a few more notches she can pull out. ;-] Incubus level hot, remember?
Note that Destiana started and ended her speech to Fa'Lina with "I am talking to you. . . To make him suffer for the suffering he caused you?"
What suffering did Aniz cause to Fa'Lina? A political inconvenience, an embarrassment, a major setback for Jin's Clan, but I think suffering is an exaggeration. Somehow I doubt Aniz had anything to do with the genocide of Fa'Lina's clan. He wouldn't have survived his faux pas if he had: http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Ab_016.php (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Ab_016.php)
Quote from: Terrion on February 26, 2009, 01:49:50 AM
This puts a severe cramp in the idea of Aniz being Dan's father.
Or he's pulling a repeat with how he deceived May. And has a serious subconsious deathwish as there's no way Destania wouldn't kill him if that ever came to light...
You're not wondering
why Dee has it in for him. That could be key. Look at strip 298. Is this not what Dee would do if she came face-to-face with Aniz, having failed to make Abel into some kind of avatar to carry out her will?
Either way,
something happened between the last two panels that stopped her and at that level of wrath, I don't think it makes much difference whether her victim is Aniz or just some random Being. That said, I'm not convinced she'd give such a complex speech to a some random Being she just ran into... IMHO she'd just kill them out of hand like swatting a fly.
Personally, I think that if it
is Aniz, he found some way of defusing the situation. Like I said, we don't know why Dee is that vindictive. Consider the results if she
did finally locate Aniz and then discovered she was after the wrong guy, or that he did whatever upset her under duress.
**EDIT**
Quote from: Madmann135 on February 26, 2009, 03:12:07 AM
I mean Edward did marry a succubus and Dee does love him...
That only came later. When she first saw him, she informed him that she was going to destroy him. See strip 298.
**EDIT EDIT**
Now that's out of the way, I'll just say that Dee's talk of destroying someone's soul - whatever they did - kind of offsets her hotness rather.
Something that occurs to me: Fa'Lina seems not to approve all that much of cubi behaving in, well, the stereotypical cubi ways and wants them to try to learn to be a bit nicer...
But... then why, if she's the one that started the school, rules it, etc, did she explicitly create a position of a pain/terror teacher and hire for it?
Isn't this a bit of a "uh... do you want to discourage or actively encourage that sort of behavior, which is it?" thing?
Quote from: Tapewolf on February 26, 2009, 03:54:56 AM
Now that's out of the way, I'll just say that Dee's talk of destroying someone's soul - whatever they did - kind of offsets her hotness rather.
Well, yes, it does at that...
I suppose she must have mellowed out at some point over the years to some extent or other, even if only just as recently as Dan's birth (the point at which the Phoenix Oracles state that Destania came to an end, meaning her rebirth as Dee).
Able himself said that, while nice cubi do exist, they are in the minority. Most cubi are culturally inclined to be ammoral at the very least, if not outright evil. In other words, a bunch of arrogant jerks. (This is heavily paraphrased in both cases, and not a direct quote)
Quote from: Psy-Kosh on February 26, 2009, 05:32:35 AM
Something that occurs to me: Fa'Lina seems not to approve all that much of cubi behaving in, well, the stereotypical cubi ways and wants them to try to learn to be a bit nicer...
But... then why, if she's the one that started the school, rules it, etc, did she explicitly create a position of a pain/terror teacher and hire for it?
Isn't this a bit of a "uh... do you want to discourage or actively encourage that sort of behavior, which is it?" thing?
I suspect that Fa'Lina desires to limit such behavior as it pertains to other cubi and to otherwise teach discretion when engaging in such behavior against other creatures and beings so as to cut down on the general levels of hostility that lead to her founding SAIA. Even if she's trying to discourge such inclinations altogether, they
were rather heavily ingrained into cubi culture at the time so she may be taking the long view of gradual changes rather than abrupt ones that would meet with greater resistance.
Quote from: Terrion on February 26, 2009, 01:49:50 AM
All things considered, Between Aniz' deciding that it worth extending the ban Fa'Lina placed on his plans to enroll more of his offspring in SAIA in order to avoid Destania, and Destania's now clearly stated view that anyone in their right mind who ever met Aniz should feel the desire to torture him and rend his soul to shreds...
This puts a severe cramp in the idea of Aniz being Dan's father.
Eh, I don't know. The timeline still matches and the two clearly have some kind of interest in each other, since her vested interest was trying to push him into fighting Aniz. She's already started manipulating him in his sleep.
Quote from: Azlan on February 26, 2009, 01:54:06 AM
The entire first panel is distracting... I can only see Fa'Lina's breasts. Somehow I am not displeased with this.
"Sensuous? Shapely? Lush? Buxom? Voluptuous? *Sigh* I swear I don't know why I bother with these girls, it's not like anyone notices them..."
The more I look at this, the less hot Destania seems to me. She can look that way, but the way she is here, she's just frightening.
(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s72/ECTeam/Lol.jpg)
He he, sorry could not resist :P
Quote from: Malakin on February 26, 2009, 06:32:06 AMHe he, sorry could not resist :P
:mwaha You just made me spray my espresso all over my laptop! Damn, I need to quit having my morning jolt at the PC while reading this stuff...scratch that, I need to quit having drinks at the PC....like forever!
Quote from: Malakin on February 26, 2009, 06:32:06 AM
(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s72/ECTeam/Lol.jpg)
He he, sorry could not resist :P
Now that IS proper behaviour for a healthy young incubus! ;)
Nice corset, Dest. Succubus level hot, succubus level evil.
Whee! Lorenda!
Quote from: Azlan on February 26, 2009, 01:54:06 AM
The entire first panel is distracting... I can only see Fa'Lina's breasts. Somehow I am not displeased with this.
Between you and me, I'm categorizing this strip as fan service. :D
Quote from: Azlan on February 26, 2009, 01:54:06 AM
The entire first panel is distracting... I can only see Fa'Lina's breasts. Somehow I am not displeased with this.
Quick, let us ask everyone. "Without looking again at the comic, what is the colour of Destania's eyes?"
... green
(viva piniata style children cheering) :U
so, anyone else left with the feeling that D is putting up a bit of a front? showing off for the new student if you will...
Quote from: Ink on February 26, 2009, 09:24:40 AM
Quote from: Azlan on February 26, 2009, 01:54:06 AM
The entire first panel is distracting... I can only see Fa'Lina's breasts. Somehow I am not displeased with this.
Quick, let us ask everyone. "Without looking again at the comic, what is the colour of Destania's eyes?"
I was so hoping you'd post that.
Quote from: Ink on February 26, 2009, 09:24:40 AM
Quote from: Azlan on February 26, 2009, 01:54:06 AM
The entire first panel is distracting... I can only see Fa'Lina's breasts. Somehow I am not displeased with this.
Quick, let us ask everyone. "Without looking again at the comic, what is the colour of Destania's eyes?"
Green.
For some reason I want to see her on a unicycle.
Quote from: Basilisk2150 on February 26, 2009, 09:29:34 AM
so, anyone else left with the feeling that D is putting up a bit of a front? showing off for the new student if you will...
Depends what you mean. As a sort of advertisement, e.g. "Come with me and I'll teach you how to do all kinds of evil things!", then yes, she might be.
If you meant that she's lying or exaggerating about what she teaches just to freak Abel out, I'd say it was
a definite 'no' (http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php/topic,3297.msg142336.html#msg142336).
i sense a love hate relationship here... Destania must have been part way through her morph in the first pannel, unless it's Fa'lina, It's hard to tell when you cut their heads off like that.
Quote from: GabrielsThoughts on February 26, 2009, 09:55:20 AM
i sense a love hat relationship here
I love hat.
(http://universalarticle.com/blog/wp-content/photos/evil_monito_X_fedora_felt_hat.jpg)
Quote from: Malakin on February 26, 2009, 06:32:06 AM
(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s72/ECTeam/Lol.jpg)
He he, sorry could not resist :P
I'm surprised that he wasn't looking at the twins. I mean they are of an excellent size and form.
Best comic mod in my opinion.
Quote from: Tapewolf on February 26, 2009, 09:41:16 AM
Quote from: Basilisk2150 on February 26, 2009, 09:29:34 AM
so, anyone else left with the feeling that D is putting up a bit of a front? showing off for the new student if you will...
Depends what you mean. As a sort of advertisement, e.g. "Come with me and I'll teach you how to do all kinds of evil things!", then yes, she might be.
If you meant that she's lying or exaggerating about what she teaches just to freak Abel out, I'd say it was a definite 'no' (http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php/topic,3297.msg142336.html#msg142336).
I'm talking the first one... and yes, advertising would have been a far more appropriate wording than putting up a front...
soo, back on topic, is it just me, or does it seem like she's advertising her classes to Abel?
Quote from: Mao Laoren on February 26, 2009, 09:57:21 AM
Quote from: GabrielsThoughts on February 26, 2009, 09:55:20 AM
i sense a love hat relationship here
I love hat.
(http://universalarticle.com/blog/wp-content/photos/evil_monito_X_fedora_felt_hat.jpg)
I'm more of a cap man myself... er... TOPIC!
I expect that we will soon begin seeing a mantage of Abel's early days in SAIA before we get to the next big event in his life (whatever that may be). It's going to be a long while before he can see his mother again, if he ever does manage that feat in her remaining lifetime. At the moment he's somthing of an orphan with a living family: estranged from his madman of a father and effectively cut off from his mother for fear of her life. May will eventually die of old age, if nothing else, long before Abel's tale catches up to the present day of Dan and Mab, so he has a limitted time to try to come to terms with what he wants to do on that front, and then decide how he's going to accomplish it once he has.
And lest we forget, he has recently attended the funeral of one of his childhood friends and had another friend and two acquaintances die before his eyes as well, right before Aniz' big plan began to spontaneously combust into a spectacular family wrecking screw-up. The boy is going to have issues.
Oh. Wait... we already know that from his present day persona, don't we? :P
Quote from: Basilisk2150 on February 26, 2009, 10:50:46 AM
I'm talking the first one... and yes, advertising would have been a far more appropriate wording than putting up a front...
soo, back on topic, is it just me, or does it seem like she's advertising her classes to Abel?
She is definatly doing just that, Abel is the prime candidate for such classes!
Oh, and an interesting thought that is, however, not totaly well thought through... But what ever:
If Destania is the Head of Pain and Terror department, would her department not also teach defences against such things?
If you had two seperate departments doing such a thing then you would have a war on your hands :P
Maybe Destania is the Head of that department because she is totaly neutral towards such things?
Quote from: Malakin on February 26, 2009, 11:05:56 AM
She is definatly doing just that, Able is the prime candidate for such classes!
Because telling someone - a peaceful librarian, no less - who's still coming to terms with what they are, that they're a soul-devouring monster is really going to help them settle in...
QuoteIf Destania is the Head of Pain and Terror department, would her department not also teach defences against such things?
If you had two seperate departments doing such a thing then you would have a war on your hands :P
The inter-departmental war is an interesting idea, and I suspect it's more likely than your latter suggestion.
QuoteMaybe Destania is the Head of that department because she is totaly neutral towards such things?
I think you'll find it's the opposite - pain (at least) is her clan affinity, like Dan's. I'm not so sure about terror.
Quote from: Terrion on February 26, 2009, 10:53:11 AM
And lest we forget, he has recently attended the funeral of one of his childhood friends and had another friend and two acquaintances die before his eyes as well, right before Aniz' big plan began to spontaneously combust into a spectacular family wrecking screw-up. The boy is going to have issues.
That boy needs therapy. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8BWBn26bX0)
*grin*
Ok the whole 'is neutral towards such things' thing might be a bit off :P but i felt like making an excuse for her not to be totaly evil.
Look at Dan, he shares the affinity, however he is never going to be the head of the pain and terror department :P
Just because she has that affinity does not mean she has to be totaly evil. She cant be a goody two shoes though and hold that job, so being neutral to the whole thing is the only other option :F
However she is very interested in Abel, afterall she has been setting up Abel to feel useless in the face of his dangers, Abel likes to think that he could have atleast been some help. So she is now introducing herself to be the answer to his problems.
Yes, but she's wanted to use children and infants in her torture classes. When she was teaching at the Academy, she probably was sadistically causing pain in others, just for the fun of it. Definitely not a good person and most likely evil.
She now wants to end the Dragon race completely, that's genocide. Even if she has mellowed out a bit, genocide is still pretty evil.
But hey, who says you can't like an evil person?
For some reason, I'm instantly
disliking Destania, sex appeal aside. Then again, she's planning a genocide and she's wanted to kill children and infants in her torture class, so of course I hate her. :U
I get the feeling she's manipulating Abel, and Fa'Lina is aware of the fact she confronted him in the middle of the night (hence her apprehension and the comment "How uncoincidental for you to be here", aside from distaste of Destania's philosophy). That could be why Abel views Destania with such disdain, although she has taught him how to survive - which was possibly going to be used against Aniz.
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on February 26, 2009, 11:41:17 AM
That boy needs therapy. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8BWBn26bX0)
*grin*
"You're crazy in the coconut!" ;)
Quote from: Pagan on February 26, 2009, 11:55:30 AM
Yes, but she's wanted to use children and infants in her torture classes. When she was teaching at the Academy, she probably was sadistically causing pain in others, just for the fun of it. Definitely not a good person and most likely evil.
More to the point, Amber said she was liable to eat the souls of the children afterwards (see my 'definite no' link above).
QuoteShe now wants to end the Dragon race completely, that's genocide. Even if she has mellowed out a bit, genocide is still pretty evil.
It's not nice, but I honestly don't think it's in her power to end the dragon race completely. The implication from strip 841 is that like the Fae, they're spread throughout the multiverse. That being the case, the best she can hope for is to kick them all out of Furrae and somehow protect their universe from future intrusion, similar to the gravity tensor shield in James P Hogan's
Giants of Ganymede series. Which isn't the same as genocide.
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on February 26, 2009, 12:03:42 PM
That could be why Abel views Destania with such disdain, although she has taught him how to survive - which was possibly going to be used against Aniz.
I think that's it, personally. She's trying to groom him to carry out some kind of vendetta.
Quote from: Malakin on February 26, 2009, 11:50:50 AM
Ok the whole 'is neutral towards such things' thing might be a bit off :P but i felt like making an excuse for her not to be totaly evil.
(snip)
Perhaps a bit. (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_811.php)
With regards,
Ted
Well, this whole thing has taught me not to make suggestions while procrastinating and putting off work, cause I just say somthing silly and fail to do the backup to stop that from happening :F
Quote from: Ink on February 26, 2009, 09:24:40 AM
Quote from: Azlan on February 26, 2009, 01:54:06 AM
The entire first panel is distracting... I can only see Fa'Lina's breasts. Somehow I am not displeased with this.
Quick, let us ask everyone. "Without looking again at the comic, what is the colour of Destania's eyes?"
Eyes? :.
With regards,
Ted
Quote from: Malakin on February 26, 2009, 12:15:07 PM
Well, this whole thing has taught me not to make suggestions while procrastinating and putting off work
You think I'm not? >:3
Perhaps I'm being obvious, but something is fishy.
It doesn't seem to fit that Dee can be as mustache-twirlingly evil as Fi makes her out to be, and as she appears here, and then be the nice being-loving momma that Dan grew up with (at least, it seems like she's nice - I seem to recall a flashback scene in which she's comforting a much smaller Dan who misses his father, in a way that seems to indicate genuine care). It's very hard to be both sincerely loving and sincerely evil. One or the other must be an act.
Quote from: Cogidubnus on February 26, 2009, 12:29:54 PM
It doesn't seem to fit that Dee can be as mustache-twirlingly evil as Fi makes her out to be, and as she appears here, and then be the nice being-loving momma that Dan grew up with (at least, it seems like she's nice - I seem to recall a flashback scene in which she's comforting a much smaller Dan who misses his father, in a way that seems to indicate genuine care). It's very hard to be both sincerely loving and sincerely evil. One or the other must be an act.
I'd like to think that when she had a child of her own it gave her a new perspective on what life was all about, that it was something to be treasured and not eaten.
I certainly hope that the motherhood thing isn't an act - otherwise Dan will be practically suicidal.
Quote from: Tapewolf on February 26, 2009, 12:32:10 PM
I'd like to think that when she had a child of her own it gave her a new perspective on what life was all about, that it was something to be treasured and not eaten.
I certainly hope that the motherhood thing isn't an act - otherwise Dan will be practically suicidal.
That is one way to look at it, yeah - but then, I think about Dee's behavior with Biggs, which isn't too entirely far removed from the way she's acting now. I suppose it's hard to draw any conclusions without knowing her motivations a bit better, though.
Why can't she be both sincerely evil and sincerely loving? She loves her son, her husband, and her daughter. She has also demonstrated and been described as evil on numerous occasions. Yes, having a son might have mellowed her somewhat (she and Alexsi - her stepdaughter - certainly got along in defiance of narrative causality), but take her away from her family (or take her family away from her) and she reverts to her old ways. Or she just put them aside while she was a mom. Who knows (aside from Amber)? Yeah, maybe we should try and learn a little more about psycho evil mom Destania.
Of course, it could just be that even Destania won't torture her own child. I mean, even evil has standards.
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on February 26, 2009, 12:03:42 PM
I get the feeling she's manipulating Abel, and Fa'Lina is aware of the fact she confronted him in the middle of the night (hence her apprehension and the comment "How uncoincidental for you to be here", aside from distaste of Destania's philosophy). That could be why Abel views Destania with such disdain, although she has taught him how to survive - which was possibly going to be used against Aniz.
Or the fact that she feeds on Pain. A feeling that Abel is full of right now.. making him a great big buffet for Dee.
Quote from: Jairus on February 26, 2009, 12:38:52 PM
Why can't she be both sincerely evil and sincerely loving? She loves her son, her husband, and her daughter. She has also demonstrated and been described as evil on numerous occasions. Yes, having a son might have mellowed her somewhat (she and Alexsi - her stepdaughter - certainly got along in defiance of narrative causality), but take her away from her family (or take her family away from her) and she reverts to her old ways. Or she just put them aside while she was a mom. Who knows (aside from Amber)? Yeah, maybe we should try and learn a little more about psycho evil mom Destania.
Of course, it could just be that even Destania won't torture her own child. I mean, even evil has standards.
The very act of loving - a son, a daughter, a husband or wife or even the love one holds towards a good friend - forces you to have empathy. Empathy is a strange thing - it is much harder, I daresay impossible, to hurt someone you love in cold blood, deliberately and uselessly - and when you start to empathize with one person, it becomes that much harder to separate yourself from other people, too. Seeing someone as another person makes it very difficult to enact even regular violence against them, let alone cold, mindless cruelty. Destania doesn't strike me as a hot-blooded brute that lashes out in anger - rather, a cold and deliberate sort of cruelty that is an end unto itself, which is the most terrible kind of cruelty. It is for this reason that I say she cannot be both.
Quote from: Cogidubnus on February 26, 2009, 12:34:19 PM
That is one way to look at it, yeah - but then, I think about Dee's behavior with Biggs, which isn't too entirely far removed from the way she's acting now. I suppose it's hard to draw any conclusions without knowing her motivations a bit better, though.
It's true that she's basically used Dan as a pawn. Though that might mean that she fully believes Dan will be able to pull it off. I think she has a valid reason for not meeting Dan face-to-face, though... read the strips around 712. It might be that she's trying to protect him, but that's sheer speculation.
Quote from: Jairus on February 26, 2009, 12:38:52 PM
Why can't she be both sincerely evil and sincerely loving? She loves her son, her husband, and her daughter. She has also demonstrated and been described as evil on numerous occasions.
Yeah, maybe we should try and learn a little more about psycho evil mom Destania.
I forget where, but I remember reading that there is or was a major conflict between the 'Cubi and the Dragons.
I am wondering whether the Dragon Project is a desperate means to end this conflict.
Well, I think it's implied (or it might be directly stated) that the Dragons once nearly killed off the Cubi race. And Dest feels that the best means of preserving the Cubi race is through the eradication or the complete banishment of the Dragon race from Furrae. A bit extreme, but perhaps what is necessary, considering what ponces Dragons are.
Quote from: Pagan on February 26, 2009, 12:58:50 PM
Well, I think it's implied (or it might be directly stated) that the Dragons once nearly killed off the Cubi race. And Dest feels that the best means of preserving the Cubi race is through the eradication or the complete banishment of the Dragon race from Furrae. A bit extreme, but perhaps what is necessary, considering what ponces Dragons are.
To be fair, we've seen... what... six dragons? One of whom is a main character and was adopted by a Cubi, another who was slightly forgetful and Dan owes ten bucks to, one who accidentally wiped out the last of the vampires (and to be fair, did apologize for landing on them), one who crushed a car (which was a bit mean of them), one who stepped on Dan in a non-canon arc because Dan pissed him off, and one who - offscreen - married a college student and had kids with them. I'm just playing reverse devil's advocate here, but aside from the aforementioned war (which I'm willing to bet the Cubi did okay in since they're not gone, and probably gave back what was given to them in battle) and the group that kidnapped Edward... dragons on the whole might be jerks, but dragons as individuals seem no better or worse than anyone else. And let's be fair, when you're either the first or second most powerful magic wielders in the universe, you are entitled to be a little haughty about it.
And yes, I am a fan of Dragons. And I will admit that an entity that powerful leads to... interesting ideas should they go bad...
EDIT: Also, a thought that just struck: out of the dozens or
hundreds of Cubi that we've seen, only three (Destania, Aaryanna, and Aniz) strike me as evil. Or at least really bad. Well, okay, I'll add Ink to that list. So, four evil/really bad Cubi out of all that we've seen. Most Cubi seem relatively decent, if a little... weird.
Quote from: SpottedKitty on February 26, 2009, 03:07:36 AM
Agreed on all counts. And we finally see the Destania described by Abel (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_811.php). I have to wonder, though, at her first comment, about Fa'lina and revenge. There's some intriguing back-story there, that I hope we get to see eventually: all we have at the moment are hints and guesses.
I'm a little surprised nobody has taken this up already. My best guess would be drawn from these two comics
one (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Ab_016.php)
and
two (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Ab_018.php)
Now, I'm going to admit this is speculation, pretty heavy speculation. We know that Fa'Lina's clan is effectively gone, and that Aniz bringing it up was a dumb thing to say. Aside from the obvious rudeness inherent in the statement, I'd just like to raise the suggestion that Aniz, (or more likely his clan. I seem to recall that Fa'Lina started SAIA after her clan was wiped out in the regular strip 508. Does anyone know how long SAIA has been around? If Aniz is only 460 at the time of Abel's story, he would have been too young to be involved unless the massacre, and therefore SAIA, was recent. Furthermore, his apology of "I'm sorry my clan took that as a sign of weakness could be taken to mean that he wasn't there) was involved in the wiping out of Fa'Lina's clan. With clan loyalties seeming to be a strong factor in 'Cubi society, it might be as simple as "He's a whatever clan, it's understandable that you'd want to rip him in half Fa'Lina" (Note that I am assuming that the base text is from Destania to Fa'Lina, and the subtext is directed to Abel.)
But I get the impression there's more than that. I'm still very, very eager to know what is so special about his eye coloring and his wing shape? Color? something? Abel has something very important going on around him, and I'm sure Aniz is caught right in the middle of it.
Something I've been wondering, which this discussion kinda reminded me of: What're the links between cubi affinities and their personalities?
Let me clarify: Can, in principle a cubi exist such that their natural affinities are just pain/suffering/torment, yet their personality and or morals are completely the opposite? ie, that they would simply never do those things, even though that's what they could most easily feed on?
Or would their affinities be tied to their personalities, such that the former would shift to better fit the latter?
Or would the latter be at least in part determined by the former, which is fixed and unchangeable?
Or both (strongly) influence each other, or or or...?
Destania is hot in this picture!
But not as hot as she could be.
She's missing the glasses!
I want her glasses back!
Quote from: Psy-Kosh on February 26, 2009, 04:02:58 PM
Let me clarify: Can, in principle a cubi exist such that their natural affinities are just pain/suffering/torment, yet their personality and or morals are completely the opposite? ie, that they would simply never do those things, even though that's what they could most easily feed on?
I suspect it primarily depends on their upbringing.
Dan doesn't seem to go around hurting people for kicks. He does get a kick out of justice, though. Abel might do the confusion thing (that is currently unclear) but he seems to have gone out of his way to
avoid misery in others, e.g. Jyrras, and also Dan. Note also that he eats food a lot.
Granted, we haven't seen either of them for an extended period of time - Abel we've only known for about a month (his time) and Dan has only been 'Cubi for maybe two months.
It has been suggested that 'Cubi may over their lives unconsciously adopt behaviour patterns that induce particular emotions in others.
While there's been a couple of comments on it's contents, I've got say I'm really liking Dee's and Fa'Lina's outfits, if Amber even needed another job there's always fashion design.
Quote from: Tapewolf on February 26, 2009, 04:44:26 PM
Quote from: Psy-Kosh on February 26, 2009, 04:02:58 PM
Let me clarify: Can, in principle a cubi exist such that their natural affinities are just pain/suffering/torment, yet their personality and or morals are completely the opposite? ie, that they would simply never do those things, even though that's what they could most easily feed on?
I suspect it primarily depends on their upbringing.
Dan doesn't seem to go around hurting people for kicks. He does get a kick out of justice, though. Abel might do the confusion thing (that is currently unclear) but he seems to have gone out of his way to avoid misery in others, e.g. Jyrras, and also Dan. Note also that he eats food a lot.
Granted, we haven't seen either of them for an extended period of time - Abel we've only known for about a month (his time) and Dan has only been 'Cubi for maybe two months.
It has been suggested that 'Cubi may over their lives unconsciously adopt behaviour patterns that induce particular emotions in others.
Could it be that, like tastebuds in humans, a cubi's preferances for emotions change after a certain amount of time?
Quote from: MT Hazard on February 26, 2009, 05:45:12 PM
While there's been a couple of comments on it's contents, I've got say I'm really liking Dee's and Fa'Lina's outfits, if Amber even needed another job there's always fashion design.
Indeed, their outfits are awesome, however Destainia seems to be laying it on a bit thick at the moment, in my opinion.
Quote from: Meany on February 26, 2009, 06:06:26 PM
Quote from: MT Hazard on February 26, 2009, 05:45:12 PM
While there's been a couple of comments on it's contents, I've got say I'm really liking Dee's and Fa'Lina's outfits, if Amber even needed another job there's always fashion design.
Indeed, their outfits are awesome, however Destainia seems to be laying it on a bit thick at the moment, fashion-wise, in my opinion.
Well, she
is trying to sway the opinion of a young adult male. Just saying that.
Quote from: Jairus on February 26, 2009, 06:09:02 PM
Well, she is trying to sway the opinion of a young adult male. Just saying that.
...like Regina was in 388?
Quote from: Tapewolf on February 26, 2009, 06:10:55 PM
Quote from: Jairus on February 26, 2009, 06:09:02 PM
Well, she is trying to sway the opinion of a young adult male. Just saying that.
...like Regina was in 388?
Not quite exactly what I was thinking. Destania seems to be... flaunting a little more, though. And, notably, she's missing the blood. Which is a good thing, because that might have put Abel off of Destania forever.
Quote from: Jairus on February 26, 2009, 06:12:34 PM
Not quite exactly what I was thinking. Destania seems to be... flaunting a little more, though. And, notably, she's missing the blood. Which is a good thing, because that might have put Abel off of Destania forever.
Perhaps closer than you think. The way I see it, Regina is effectively saying "Come with me... we'll kill a bunch of Beings for fun!"
Destania is inviting Abel to kill people and destroy their souls, which is arguably far worse than Regina's little spree.
Quote from: Tapewolf on February 26, 2009, 06:15:48 PM
Quote from: Jairus on February 26, 2009, 06:12:34 PM
Not quite exactly what I was thinking. Destania seems to be... flaunting a little more, though. And, notably, she's missing the blood. Which is a good thing, because that might have put Abel off of Destania forever.
Perhaps closer than you think. The way I see it, Regina is effectively saying "Come with me... we'll kill a bunch of Beings for fun!"
Destania is inviting Abel to kill people and destroy their souls, which is arguably far worse than Regina's little spree.
No, what I meant was that I hadn't been thinking about Regina's offer to Dan, but you're making sense here. I see what you're getting at, and it is certainly similar to say the least.
Quote from: Jairus on February 26, 2009, 01:15:39 PM
To be fair, we've seen... what... six dragons? One of whom is a main character and was adopted by a Cubi, another who was slightly forgetful and Dan owes ten bucks to, one who accidentally wiped out the last of the vampires (and to be fair, did apologize for landing on them), one who crushed a car (which was a bit mean of them), one who stepped on Dan in a non-canon arc because Dan pissed him off, and one who - offscreen - married a college student and had kids with them. I'm just playing reverse devil's advocate here, but aside from the aforementioned war (which I'm willing to bet the Cubi did okay in since they're not gone, and probably gave back what was given to them in battle) and the group that kidnapped Edward... dragons on the whole might be jerks, but dragons as individuals seem no better or worse than anyone else. And let's be fair, when you're either the first or second most powerful magic wielders in the universe, you are entitled to be a little haughty about it.
Don't forget the one in the "Furrae Dress Codes" arc which was told that he'd have to put on a giant pair of pants before entering a city due to somewhat stricter than normal local ordinances. So that's seven! :3
http://missmab.com/Demo/Fashion02.php ?
That's not part of the main strip, and as such, probably shouldn't be counted...
What about the one in the bookstore saying, "You scry, you buy?"
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on February 26, 2009, 06:26:27 PM
http://missmab.com/Demo/Fashion02.php ?
That's not part of the main strip, and as such, probably shouldn't be counted...
Point. Although if it does count, it would be eight. I forgot that there were
two dragons in that one...
Quote from: Meany on February 26, 2009, 06:28:25 PM
What about the one in the bookstore saying, "You scry, you buy?"
Hey, in a world where people can scry, I'd have a rule like that too. That's just good business.
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on February 26, 2009, 06:26:27 PM
http://missmab.com/Demo/Fashion02.php ?
That's not part of the main strip, and as such, probably shouldn't be counted...
Well, in this case I'd sit back and watch the squishing commence. That's just a little stringent for a giant creature like that.
This update, combined with the Lorenda sketch, has fulfilled my daily requirements of mammary and awesome. >:3
As for Aniz and Des, I'm just curious who started their feud, since both have proven to be less then nice.
Quote from: Cylonis on February 26, 2009, 06:51:59 PM
As for Aniz and Des, I'm just curious who started their feud, since both have proven to be less then nice.
If it's an inter-clan war, probably neither of them.
Quote from: Jairus on February 26, 2009, 06:17:40 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on February 26, 2009, 06:15:48 PM
Quote from: Jairus on February 26, 2009, 06:12:34 PM
Not quite exactly what I was thinking. Destania seems to be... flaunting a little more, though. And, notably, she's missing the blood. Which is a good thing, because that might have put Abel off of Destania forever.
Perhaps closer than you think. The way I see it, Regina is effectively saying "Come with me... we'll kill a bunch of Beings for fun!"
Destania is inviting Abel to kill people and destroy their souls, which is arguably far worse than Regina's little spree.
No, what I meant was that I hadn't been thinking about Regina's offer to Dan, but you're making sense here. I see what you're getting at, and it is certainly similar to say the least.
Well, be fair, Destinia's invitation is only regarding Aniz, who really has given Abel cause to hate him. Apparently Aniz has given a lot of others cause, too.
Quote from: Tapewolf on February 26, 2009, 06:54:08 PM
Quote from: Cylonis on February 26, 2009, 06:51:59 PM
As for Aniz and Des, I'm just curious who started their feud, since both have proven to be less then nice.
If it's an inter-clan war, probably neither of them.
True. The disdain could possibly be along clan lines. Tho for some reason I think it could be more personal then that.
Maybe Dest is a manipulative bi... unkind female type and Aniz is a total d... jerk. Maybe both of them are equally at fault for personality problems of their own and its not something as dramatic and deep as clan hatred or such. Just plain old soap opera stuff.
Quote from: Azlan on February 26, 2009, 07:24:30 PM
Maybe Dest is a manipulative bi... unkind female type and Aniz is a total d... jerk. Maybe both of them are equally at fault for personality problems of their own and its not something as dramatic and deep as clan hatred or such. Just plain old soap opera stuff.
But Destania's choice of words seems to imply that there is cause for strife between Fa'lina and Aniz. And while any of Aniz's personality defects would certainly apply there, Fa'Lina strikes me as one with a thick skin.
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on February 26, 2009, 11:41:17 AM
Quote from: Terrion on February 26, 2009, 10:53:11 AM
And lest we forget, he has recently attended the funeral of one of his childhood friends and had another friend and two acquaintances die before his eyes as well, right before Aniz' big plan began to spontaneously combust into a spectacular family wrecking screw-up. The boy is going to have issues.
That boy needs therapy. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8BWBn26bX0)
*grin*
Just call the Mental Health Hotline! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwlYlIm2Cdo)
All I'm seeing when I look at Destania is:
"Faust, I'm Mephistopheles. Care to sell me your soul?"
I doubt very much that Aniz and Destania are actually IN CAHOOTS, but really it's looking like a choice of evils there for poor Abel....
On the subject of the seen dragons, maybe this Amazon (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_912.php) should count?
As for the Destania thing, from what I can gather from the comic and such....I think she is just to manipulative in general to be able to be give a whole "evi/good" quota. That's just me of course.
Question as well....I see information being spoken around that seems to just be accepted (to an extent), and that does not seem to be in the comics themselves...am I missing something? (Can't give an EXACT quote of such, but...well, a lot of what the mods speak of in the Story related stuff.) :erk
Quote from: Draken on February 26, 2009, 07:52:43 PM
On the subject of the seen dragons, maybe this Amazon (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_912.php) should count?
Quite possibly. Did we get confirmation that she
is a dragon? If so, that's another "good" dragon for the pile.
QuoteAs for the Destania thing, from what I can gather from the comic and such....I think she is just to manipulative in general to be able to be give a whole "evi/good" quota. That's just me of course.
Ehh... in my mind Fa'Lina is the real manipulative one. Destania... well, to be blunt at this point in time she doesn't feel as refined as Fa'Lina does. The problem is that she is planning - and has done - a few evil acts.
QuoteQuestion as well....I see information being spoken around that seems to just be accepted (to an extent), and that does not seem to be in the comics themselves...am I missing something? (Can't give an EXACT quote of such, but...well, a lot of what the mods speak of in the Story related stuff.) :erk
Well, a general idea of what you have a question about would be a little helpful. I mean, for example, the nature of DMFA canon, or Abel's backstory, or stuff like that.
Also, welcome aboard, Draken. Don't be afraid to announce your arrival in the Villa. We won't bite.
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Well, a general idea of what you have a question about would be a little helpful. I mean, for example, the nature of DMFA canon, or Abel's backstory, or stuff like that.
Canon in general. I have read the entire thing in about a weekend, but I feel like I missed something... :B
QuoteAlso, welcome aboard, Draken. Don't be afraid to announce your arrival in the Villa. We won't bite.
Will do. Thank. :mowmeep
Quote from: Draken on February 26, 2009, 09:00:05 PM
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Well, a general idea of what you have a question about would be a little helpful. I mean, for example, the nature of DMFA canon, or Abel's backstory, or stuff like that.
Canon in general. I have read the entire thing in about a weekend, but I feel like I missed something... :B
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Well, okay. In short, Canon is the main DMFA comic, Abel's Story, the Demonology and Cast Pages, and Word of God(dess) (IE, Amber herself says something). So, for example, the earliest strips (before about 79 or so) are basically not canon as far as I've heard. The wallpaper wars, however, are not canon (um... crud, I don't know where you can look at these). Does that help any?
Quote from: Pagan on February 26, 2009, 12:58:50 PM
Well, I think it's implied (or it might be directly stated) that the Dragons once nearly killed off the Cubi race. And Dest feels that the best means of preserving the Cubi race is through the eradication or the complete banishment of the Dragon race from Furrae. A bit extreme, but perhaps what is necessary, considering what ponces Dragons are.
From what I see here, only Cyra's clan is having it out with the dragons.
http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_726.php
http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_728.php
http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_729.php
With regards,
Ted
Quote from: Jairus on February 26, 2009, 09:05:52 PM
Well, okay. In short, Canon is the main DMFA comic, Abel's Story, the Demonology and Cast Pages, and Word of God(dess) (IE, Amber herself says something). So, for example, the earliest strips (before about 79 or so) are basically not canon as far as I've heard. The wallpaper wars, however, are not canon (um... crud, I don't know where you can look at these). Does that help any?
Yep. Does. Means that I have to go forum archive hunting now :erk
As for the WPWs, they are located in the archives. Hillarious as all get out too. Can't wait till the end results are updated.
Quote from: Jairus on February 26, 2009, 09:05:52 PM
Well, okay. In short, Canon is the main DMFA comic, Abel's Story, the Demonology and Cast Pages, and Word of God(dess) (IE, Amber herself says something). So, for example, the earliest strips (before about 79 or so) are basically not canon as far as I've heard. The wallpaper wars, however, are not canon (um... crud, I don't know where you can look at these). Does that help any?
The old pages are semi-canon. And
all cast pages are canon. <nod>
Quote from: Draken on February 26, 2009, 09:09:59 PM
Quote from: Jairus on February 26, 2009, 09:05:52 PM
Well, okay. In short, Canon is the main DMFA comic, Abel's Story, the Demonology and Cast Pages, and Word of God(dess) (IE, Amber herself says something). So, for example, the earliest strips (before about 79 or so) are basically not canon as far as I've heard. The wallpaper wars, however, are not canon (um... crud, I don't know where you can look at these). Does that help any?
Yep. Does. Means that I have to go forum archive hunting now :erk
As for the WPWs, they are located in the archives. Hillarious as all get out too. Can't wait till the end results are updated.
In addition to the Archives, there are the Cast pages (http://www.missmab.com/cast.php) etc. and a Wiki (http://dmfa.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page). The wiki pages will sometimes have reference to the forum messages, it's better than trying to do a forum dive.
Quote from: Draken on February 26, 2009, 09:09:59 PM
Quote from: Jairus on February 26, 2009, 09:05:52 PM
Well, okay. In short, Canon is the main DMFA comic, Abel's Story, the Demonology and Cast Pages, and Word of God(dess) (IE, Amber herself says something). So, for example, the earliest strips (before about 79 or so) are basically not canon as far as I've heard. The wallpaper wars, however, are not canon (um... crud, I don't know where you can look at these). Does that help any?
Yep. Does. Means that I have to go forum archive hunting now :erk
The search function is a lifesaver. And most of us remember which bit of Word of God comes from which thread, or the Wiki (http://dmfa.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page) usually has links in the references to where Amber has said something. The problem is when people (like me) get ideas into their head and eventually just accept it as fact without getting Canon to back it up. Like this whole Regina thing. ;)
EDIT: Yup, ninja'ed. Thanks for being a little clearer, inuhanyo.
Quote from: Pagan on February 26, 2009, 09:13:26 PM
Quote from: Jairus on February 26, 2009, 09:05:52 PM
Well, okay. In short, Canon is the main DMFA comic, Abel's Story, the Demonology and Cast Pages, and Word of God(dess) (IE, Amber herself says something). So, for example, the earliest strips (before about 79 or so) are basically not canon as far as I've heard. The wallpaper wars, however, are not canon (um... crud, I don't know where you can look at these). Does that help any?
The old pages are semi-canon. And all cast pages are canon. <nod>
I did say the cast pages were canon, bro. As for the early pages... yeah, semi-canon works. Canon except where contradicted by later canon. So, no Pokémon in the world of Furrae.
Cool. Thank you both.
Now to get the topic back.... :3
We know that he DOES end up training under her for some extent...but when does he start "rebelling" against Dee? Before or after the Dead Baby Comedy time? And if before, what caused THAT action?
Quote from: Draken on February 26, 2009, 09:17:41 PM
Cool. Thank you both.
Now to get the topic back.... :3
We know that he DOES end up training under her for some extent...but when does he start "rebelling" against Dee? Before or after the Dead Baby Comedy time? And if before, what caused THAT action?
Well, it could be that what she's saying appeals to him-maybe a subconcious thing inplanted in his head by Dest earlier >:3 He has very little to lose, and much to gain by becoming stronger, and learning how to 'break him body, mind, and soul' at the moment.
I would like to add, we do know that Dest teaches Abel how to "Survive without anyone else's help." (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_713.php)
Quote from: Pagan on February 26, 2009, 09:49:42 PM
I would like to add, we do know that Dest teaches Abel how to "Survive without anyone else's help." (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_713.php)
Hm... that could be her saying "I taught him to live without emotionally relying on others." I mean, um, you know, taught him how to be a jerk and close himself off to prevent him from ever being hurt again. Or, you know, basic survival and combat skills. One of the two.
Quote from: Jairus on February 26, 2009, 09:52:15 PM
Quote from: Pagan on February 26, 2009, 09:49:42 PM
I would like to add, we do know that Dest teaches Abel how to "Survive without anyone else's help." (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_713.php)
Hm... that could be her saying "I taught him to live without emotionally relying on others." I mean, um, you know, taught him how to be a jerk and close himself off to prevent him from ever being hurt again. Or, you know, basic survival and combat skills. One of the two.
They're not mutually exclusive. So "or both" is a possibility.
Actually, we do know that Abel picks up
some combat skills from Destinia somehow. Dan recognized (and commented on) Abel's moves.
Quote from: Jairus on February 26, 2009, 09:05:52 PM
Well, okay. In short, Canon is the main DMFA comic, Abel's Story, the Demonology and Cast Pages, and Word of God(dess) (IE, Amber herself says something). So, for example, the earliest strips (before about 79 or so) are basically not canon as far as I've heard. The wallpaper wars, however, are not canon (um... crud, I don't know where you can look at these). Does that help any?
Note that Amber may sometimes change her mind about the way things work, so older quotes may become obsolete if she decides things would work better another way. Hence what Amber says may not necessarily be 100% canon, strange as it sounds. Also she is very good at leading people down the garden path...
EDIT:
If anyone's interested I can probably dig up the citation from Amber where she says this. Of course, it may itself no longer be canon >:3
Destania apparently finds prospects of revenge, death, and mayhem, (and stealing Fa'Lina's pupils) to be a real turn on. But what is Fa'Lina's emotional affinity? Looking at this panel I get the impression it's something like kindness, or forgiveness. Or possibly overly complex forms of psychological manipulation (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/XanatosGambit). I know the official reason she set up the academy, but this panel makes me wonder.
Given the way both cubi have acted in the past, I wouldn't be surprised if this meeting was not only expected but scheduled by one or the other for some purpose. I wouldn't put it past Fa'Lina to have spent all this time guilt-tripping Abel about the wrongness of revenge as a lead up to this encounter. And however you cut it, Aniz is a murderer, and probably a serial killer and mass murderer given how long he's been alive. Revenge aside there's the minor issue of criminal justice. Unless he's much more important than he looks, why is Fa'Lina so against punishing him?
Quote from: Corgatha Taldorthar on February 26, 2009, 07:30:19 PM
Quote from: Azlan on February 26, 2009, 07:24:30 PM
Maybe Dest is a manipulative bi... unkind female type and Aniz is a total d... jerk. Maybe both of them are equally at fault for personality problems of their own and its not something as dramatic and deep as clan hatred or such. Just plain old soap opera stuff.
But Destania's choice of words seems to imply that there is cause for strife between Fa'lina and Aniz. And while any of Aniz's personality defects would certainly apply there, Fa'Lina strikes me as one with a thick skin.
You mean next to the fact his clan was potentially responsible for the extermination of her own clan?
And why can't Destania be evil at this point and change afterwards? It's a 350-year gap between Abel's Story current time and her leaving the academy.
Well, we know that the distance between love and murderous rage can be a very short one for Destania (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_298.php). We also know that broken hearted cubi tend to feel like breaking things (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_545.php). So I don't see conflict in Destania both being in love and wanting to rip Aniz's soul into little pieces (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Ab_047.php). After all, cubi are the race most likely to rip out your spine at random. (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_657.php)
** Edit **
This section appears to be a discussion of something that Aniz's clan did to Fa'lina. (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Ab_018.php) My guess is that that is what Destania is mad about. The comment by Aniz also matches with Destania's comment about Fa'lina not taking revenge. (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Ab_047.php) Both imply that Fa'lina tries to act for the good of cubi rather than taking revenge.
Note that Destiana started and ended her speech to Fa'Lina with "I am talking to you. . . To make him suffer for the suffering he caused you.""
What suffering did Aniz cause to Fa'Lina? A political inconvenience, an embarrassment, a major setback for Jin's Clan, a sense of personal failure, but I think suffering is an exaggeration. Somehow I doubt Aniz had anything to do with the genocide of Fa'Lina's clan. He wouldn't have survived his faux pas if he had: http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Ab_016.php (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Ab_016.php)
Perhaps there is more in Aniz and Fa'Lina's past that Destiana knows about. Any ideas?