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Title: 12/19/08 [Abel 2 #40] - Let's see what's outsi...
Post by: AmigaDragon on December 19, 2008, 01:14:54 AM
It's bright out there.
Title: Re: 12/19/08 [Abel 2 #40] - Let's see what's outsi...
Post by: Angel on December 19, 2008, 01:16:05 AM
So THAT'S what Fa'Lina's hair looks like in back...
Title: Re: 12/19/08 [Abel 2 #40] - Let's see what's outsi...
Post by: AmigaDragon on December 19, 2008, 01:47:03 AM
We've seen parts of it already in pages 10 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Ab_011.php), 15 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Ab_016.php) and 21 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Ab_022.php)
Title: Re: 12/19/08 [Abel 2 #40] - Let's see what's outsi...
Post by: superluser on December 19, 2008, 02:06:56 AM
Well, I guess that means Abel's not leaving without a stern talking-to by Fa'Lina.

And also that, barring any warp-acis, no one has entered or left the room.

Fa'Lina: Everyone must leave the room... as it is... with them in it.
Title: Re: 12/19/08 [Abel 2 #40] - Let's see what's outsi...
Post by: Dagardo on December 19, 2008, 03:03:46 AM
Quote from: Black_angel on December 19, 2008, 01:16:05 AM
So THAT'S what Fa'Lina's hair looks like in back...
Quote from: AmigaDragon on December 19, 2008, 01:47:03 AM
We've seen parts of it already in pages 10 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Ab_011.php), 15 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Ab_016.php) and 21 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Ab_022.php)

Yes, but not the entirety of it until now. She also seems to have un-braided it.
Title: Re: 12/19/08 [Abel 2 #40] - Let's see what's outsi...
Post by: Janus Whitefurr on December 19, 2008, 03:15:13 AM
Bright shining light as an aura, makes me imagine the old 'divine orchaestra' soundeffect for holy beings.

Get it out of my head. :<
Title: Re: 12/19/08 [Abel 2 #40] - Let's see what's outsi...
Post by: Alterationartist on December 19, 2008, 05:09:35 AM
;<

I couldn't help but compare that and Abel's face.
Title: Re: 12/19/08 [Abel 2 #40] - Let's see what's outsi...
Post by: mopman on December 19, 2008, 05:27:41 AM
Did anyone notice that she is guarding Abel on his first day there ( I bet she never left the door ) just as Abel did later for Dan  :boogie

This is why I love Amber's work . Her characters have depth .

Abel guarded Dan ( as he slept )  on his first day at Cubi school and now we see part of the reason why.

Title: Re: 12/19/08 [Abel 2 #40] - Let's see what's outsi...
Post by: rt on December 19, 2008, 08:13:47 AM
Quote from: Janus Whitefurr on December 19, 2008, 03:15:13 AM
Bright shining light as an aura, makes me imagine the old 'divine orchaestra' soundeffect for holy beings.

Yes that was my first thought of music, but some kind of 'its so bright and so evil' dramatic music would work too. And possibly be more appropriate.
Title: Re: 12/19/08 [Abel 2 #40] - Let's see what's outsi...
Post by: Corgatha Taldorthar on December 19, 2008, 10:23:42 AM
Two things that immediately occur to me. If you turn Fa'Lina's overlong ponytail into a braid, it looks almost exactly like the way that Pyroduck does his own hair. Coincidence?

Secondly, does anyone else get an almost messianic or God like feel attributted to Fa'Lina from the imagery? Abel wakes from a dark and horrible dream (and he even equates his own real experiences with a nightmare) walks through four panels of ever increasing brightness to see...... Fa'Lina.

*chuckles* I hope he isn't too disappointed when he sees her crazy side
Title: Re: 12/19/08 [Abel 2 #40] - Let's see what's outsi...
Post by: Tapewolf on December 19, 2008, 10:27:46 AM
Quote from: Corgatha Taldorthar on December 19, 2008, 10:23:42 AM
Secondly, does anyone else get an almost messianic or God like feel attributted to Fa'Lina from the imagery? Abel wakes from a dark and horrible dream (and he even equates his own real experiences with a nightmare) walks through four panels of ever increasing brightness to see...... Fa'Lina.
It's pretty certain that she's a tri-wing.  If so, 'Godlike' is a fairly apt description.
Title: Re: 12/19/08 [Abel 2 #40] - Let's see what's outsi...
Post by: Mao on December 19, 2008, 10:32:22 AM
There are some who feel that any god must be crazy when one considers the world we live in.  In addition to that a great write once wrote:  "In the beginning the Universe was created.
This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move."  so really, to be surprised or disappointed at the craziness of a 'god' just seems kind of silly.
Title: Re: 12/19/08 [Abel 2 #40] - Let's see what's outsi...
Post by: Tapewolf on December 19, 2008, 10:37:12 AM
Quote from: Mao Laoren on December 19, 2008, 10:32:22 AM
There are some who feel that any god must be crazy when one considers the world we live in.
Then are those who think that
They've been dealt a losing hand
The cards were stacked against them
They weren't born in lotus land....


Sorry, someone had to.
Title: Re: 12/19/08 [Abel 2 #40] - Let's see what's outsi...
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on December 19, 2008, 10:44:39 AM
... Which band/music is that, Tape?
Title: Re: 12/19/08 [Abel 2 #40] - Let's see what's outsi...
Post by: Tapewolf on December 19, 2008, 10:48:37 AM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on December 19, 2008, 10:44:39 AM
... Which band/music is that, Tape?

I was hoping someone (bill, for example) would spot it, but heck:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=MYzGMxGq9rM
Title: Re: 12/19/08 [Abel 2 #40] - Let's see what's outsi...
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on December 19, 2008, 10:58:12 AM
... Why do they have washing machines on stage?
Title: Re: 12/19/08 [Abel 2 #40] - Let's see what's outsi...
Post by: Lisky on December 19, 2008, 11:01:33 AM
I don't know why, but this is the kind of music hear, listen to the background music, and not the conversation itself
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvrIFIjTGt0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvrIFIjTGt0)
Title: Rant O' Update Was: 12/19/08 [Abel 2 #40] - Let's see what's outsi...
Post by: Ted Schiller on December 19, 2008, 11:31:58 AM
Quote from: The Lovely and Gracious Mrs. WilliamsI will figure out what is going on and let peeps know what the comic schedule holds for next week.

I suspect a standard non-canon Christmas comic, with Canadian beavers chewing at the Christmas tree.     :xmastree  (http://www.missmab.com/Images/Canada_Fund.gif)
:rolleyes

With regards,
Ted
Title: Re: 12/19/08 [Abel 2 #40] - Let's see what's outsi...
Post by: superluser on December 19, 2008, 01:12:21 PM
Hmmm...what's on the soundtrack now?

An optimistic view (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pjq3OlHOS5k), and a more pessimistic one (http://www.vimeo.com/2109520).
Title: Re: 12/19/08 [Abel 2 #40] - Let's see what's outsi...
Post by: Tycoon on December 19, 2008, 03:11:42 PM
Quote from: Corgatha Taldorthar on December 19, 2008, 10:23:42 AM
Two things that immediately occur to me. If you turn Fa'Lina's overlong ponytail into a braid, it looks almost exactly like the way that Pyroduck does his own hair. Coincidence?

Considering that Pyroduck is Fa'Lina's adopted son, (http://missmab.com/Cast/pyroduck.php) I don't find it coincidental at all.



Heh... What a riot it would be if he turns up in this story line.
Title: Re: 12/19/08 [Abel 2 #40] - Let's see what's outsi...
Post by: AmigaDragon on December 19, 2008, 03:23:57 PM
Quote from: superluser on December 19, 2008, 01:12:21 PM
Hmmm...what's on the soundtrack now?

An optimistic view (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pjq3OlHOS5k), and a more pessimistic one (http://www.vimeo.com/2109520).
Quote"Where do you want to go today?" are actually "confutatis maledictis, flammis acribus addictis..." In English: "When the damned are confounded, and consigned to sharp flames..."; which describes exactly where I want to go today.

Uh, yeah, sounds like a pleasant vacation spot.

Quote from: Tycoon on December 19, 2008, 03:11:42 PM
Considering that Pyroduck is Fa'Lina's adopted son, (http://missmab.com/Cast/pyroduck.php) I don't find it coincidental at all.

Heh... What a riot it would be if he turns up in this story line.

If he does show up, it'll be out of Abel's view, since he apparently doesn't know him here yet (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_680.php).
Title: Re: 12/19/08 [Abel 2 #40] - Let's see what's outsi...
Post by: Lucheek on December 19, 2008, 04:42:45 PM
My mind automatically put in a Hallelujah Chorus...

I get the feeling Fa'Lina is crying.
Title: Re: 12/19/08 [Abel 2 #40] - Let's see what's outsi...
Post by: superluser on December 19, 2008, 04:51:31 PM
Quote from: Lucheek on December 19, 2008, 04:42:45 PMI get the feeling Fa'Lina is crying.

On the inside, at least.
Title: Re: 12/19/08 [Abel 2 #40] - Let's see what's outsi...
Post by: Yugo on December 19, 2008, 05:03:56 PM
The once-a-week updating makes it feel slowly paced, but in a way, that might be a good thing, because it fuels speculation and makes people eager to read more.

I prefer not to speculate and just want to read more. Contemplating exactly what Fa'Lina is thinking here.
Title: Re: 12/19/08 [Abel 2 #40] - Let's see what's outsi...
Post by: AmigaDragon on December 19, 2008, 06:04:18 PM
Quote from: Yugo on December 19, 2008, 05:03:56 PM
...might be a good thing, because it fuels speculation and makes people eager to read more.

And may even fuel Amber's story ideas.

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Title: Re: 12/19/08 [Abel 2 #40] - Let's see what's outsi...
Post by: Colgatecrusader on December 19, 2008, 11:24:56 PM
does anyone know where cubi's third set of wings are located, any speculation?
Title: Re: 12/19/08 [Abel 2 #40] - Let's see what's outsi...
Post by: Kasarn on December 20, 2008, 12:40:49 AM
Quote from: scorpio803 on December 19, 2008, 11:24:56 PM
does anyone know where cubi's third set of wings are located, any speculation?
Cubi are shapeshifters, so they're wherever they want them to be.

Also, they're sort of on the hips >_>;
http://www.missmab.com/graphics/C_October.jpg
Title: Re: 12/19/08 [Abel 2 #40] - Let's see what's outsi...
Post by: Aleolus on December 20, 2008, 02:22:12 AM
Wow, have you ever seen a more angelic look?  Who wants to put bets on Abel having a secret crush on Fa'Lina now?  C'mon, opening bids at 2 internets!
Title: Re: 12/19/08 [Abel 2 #40] - Let's see what's outsi...
Post by: Tapewolf on December 20, 2008, 06:42:00 AM
Quote from: AmigaDragon on December 19, 2008, 06:04:18 PM
And may even fuel Amber's story ideas.
Speculation has definitely fuelled a lot of my story ideas, which is one of the reasons I get a bit irritable with the shut-up-and-just-enjoy-the-comic crowd  >:3
Title: Re: 12/19/08 [Abel 2 #40] - Let's see what's outsi...
Post by: Janus Whitefurr on December 20, 2008, 07:55:06 AM
Quote from: Tapewolf on December 20, 2008, 06:42:00 AM
Quote from: AmigaDragon on December 19, 2008, 06:04:18 PM
And may even fuel Amber's story ideas.
Speculation has definitely fuelled a lot of my story ideas, which is one of the reasons I get a bit irritable with the shut-up-and-just-enjoy-the-comic crowd  >:3

And your wilder random speculation and common-to-uncommon, yet consistent referencing to your own work is what annoys the shut-up-and-just-enjoy-the-comic-crowd.

Or maybe that's just me.  :U
Title: Re: 12/19/08 [Abel 2 #40] - Let's see what's outsi...
Post by: Tapewolf on December 20, 2008, 08:06:01 AM
Quote from: Janus Whitefurr on December 20, 2008, 07:55:06 AM
And your wilder random speculation and common-to-uncommon, yet consistent referencing to your own work is what annoys the shut-up-and-just-enjoy-the-comic-crowd.

What, then, would you have people post?  Bland praise for the artwork?  Nothing at all?
Title: Re: 12/19/08 [Abel 2 #40] - Let's see what's outsi...
Post by: Turnsky on December 20, 2008, 08:15:36 AM
Quote from: Kasarn on December 20, 2008, 12:40:49 AM
Quote from: scorpio803 on December 19, 2008, 11:24:56 PM
does anyone know where cubi's third set of wings are located, any speculation?
Cubi are shapeshifters, so they're wherever they want them to be.

Also, they're sort of on the hips >_>;
http://www.missmab.com/graphics/C_October.jpg

"buttwings!" -Billy  :U

Quote from: Tapewolf on December 20, 2008, 06:42:00 AM
Quote from: AmigaDragon on December 19, 2008, 06:04:18 PM
And may even fuel Amber's story ideas.
Speculation has definitely fuelled a lot of my story ideas, which is one of the reasons I get a bit irritable with the shut-up-and-just-enjoy-the-comic crowd  >:3
doesn't mine, speculation, if anything, serves to make me wonder "now how can i mess with their heads now?  >:3"
Title: Re: 12/19/08 [Abel 2 #40] - Let's see what's outsi...
Post by: Janus Whitefurr on December 20, 2008, 08:20:43 AM
Quote from: Tapewolf on December 20, 2008, 08:06:01 AM
Quote from: Janus Whitefurr on December 20, 2008, 07:55:06 AM
And your wilder random speculation and common-to-uncommon, yet consistent referencing to your own work is what annoys the shut-up-and-just-enjoy-the-comic-crowd.

What, then, would you have people post?  Bland praise for the artwork?  Nothing at all?

There is nothing wrong with discussing interesting aspects of the artwork or discussing the plot. What I'd like is some
sane, sensical speculation that doesn't involve wild mass guessing and rampant theorising about the tiniest of plot points. Claiming that (x) could be Edward with zero evidence comes to mind. There is enjoyment, and there is nitpicking the details. Or relating it to your own fanfiction...

But I am a minority in this regard. C'est la vie.  :3
Title: Re: 12/19/08 [Abel 2 #40] - Let's see what's outsi...
Post by: Tapewolf on December 20, 2008, 08:58:08 AM
Quote from: Janus Whitefurr on December 20, 2008, 08:20:43 AM
There is nothing wrong with discussing interesting aspects of the artwork or discussing the plot. What I'd like is some sane, sensical speculation that doesn't involve wild mass guessing and rampant theorising about the tiniest of plot points.
I think we just have different thresholds for what is sane.  FWIW, that particular theory has been hived off to the wiki to avoid cluttering up the forum.  (And to avoid annoying you, truth be told)

QuoteOr relating it to your own fanfiction...
That is something which I'm trying to cut down on.  To be fair, I'm hardly the only one who does this  >:3
While I try to avoid directly referencing my stuff these days (which would actually graze rule 4C, to be honest) I don't see any harm in discussing the techniques I use to do my writing.  What I meant in this particular instance was "I use this technique to help inspire me, Amber might too."

QuoteBut I am a minority in this regard. C'est la vie.  :3
I doubt we'll ever fully agree, but if we can agree to disagree that's fine  :P
Title: Re: 12/19/08 [Abel 2 #40] - Let's see what's outsi...
Post by: Magic on December 20, 2008, 09:09:24 AM
Speaking of rabid speculation, didn't Amber already, personally, tear a thread apart because someone thought it particularly.. wise to say 'I totally called it' because said person spouted one such random theory?

I personally don't think Janus nor anyone in that 'shut up and enjoy the comic' crowd is annoyed at the speculation in particular; But 'trying to make yourself look intelligent'.

The latter is the true annoyance, really. Speculation is speculation, simply harmless thought put into words. There is no scale for it's or any other sanity because sanity is relative; dictated by society's whims. But the way you go about putting it in every other comic and trying to act as an authority figure, I guess, is what gets to the crowd.
Title: Re: 12/19/08 [Abel 2 #40] - Let's see what's outsi...
Post by: Tapewolf on December 20, 2008, 09:32:09 AM
Quote from: Ink on December 20, 2008, 09:09:24 AM
Speaking of rabid speculation, didn't Amber already, personally, tear a thread apart because someone thought it particularly.. wise to say 'I totally called it' because said person spouted one such random theory?
I think we're all wise to that one.

QuoteI personally don't think Janus nor anyone in that 'shut up and enjoy the comic' crowd is annoyed at the speculation in particular; But 'trying to make yourself look intelligent'.
I hate to put it like this, but... that's wild speculation.  Certainly it's not my motivation... I start to speculate when I get sufficiently wrapped up in the plot.

QuoteBut the way you go about putting it in every other comic and trying to act as an authority figure, I guess, is what gets to the crowd.
Well, I'm sorry if it comes across that way.  It's not the idea at all, and heck, I'll tend to point out that I'm just making educated guesses if someone does start to treat me as an authority (which has happened).  I mean seriously... if people start to take what I say as gospel, it stops them thinking for themselves, and that - independent thought - is what I like to see.
When it comes down to it, what annoys me most about the 'stop speculating' calls is the underlying message of "Stop thinking" and that's something I can never endorse.
Title: Re: 12/19/08 [Abel 2 #40] - Let's see what's outsi...
Post by: Magic on December 20, 2008, 10:12:03 AM
Well executed rebuttals but, don't take this next one as a personal attack, it really begs the question; What is your motivation, if not to make yourself feel good nor to ratify yourself?

I'm sorry I have to press the matter, however I want to resolve this conflict once and for all and the only way we're ever making progress beyond simple skirmishes of posts sparsely distributed across several threads is to see where you and everyone stands on the matter and put forth a final statement.

Which, if I may add, would be a more diplomatic solution as opposed to this leading all the way up to moderation shutting this and every other argument like this down. Even though I won't challenge that decision if it comes to it.

You may speak freely.

--

Also, in light (no pun intended) of not having posted for a while, just to throw this in; I can't help but notice that the whole art direction for part 2 of Abel's Story seems to revolve on a play with shadow and light straight from the intro screen, to 'The Good Doctor''s voice, Destania's manipulations, up until now. Might be irrelevant, but it seems noteworthy enough to me.
Title: Re: 12/19/08 [Abel 2 #40] - Let's see what's outsi...
Post by: Gareeku on December 20, 2008, 10:15:50 AM
Quote from: Tapewolf on December 20, 2008, 09:32:09 AMWhen it comes down to it, what annoys me most about the 'stop speculating' calls is the underlying message of "Stop thinking" and that's something I can never endorse.

I highly doubt that is the underlying message, I think that's more of a case of words being twisted. What people from the "shut-up-and-enjoy-the-crowd" mean is that people are analysing every. Single. Little. Detail. Even those which hardly bear any importance to the story, to the point where one wonders if someone is going to point at the colour of a character's shirt and say "OMG that's the same colour as Edward's! It must be him!" or something equally as ridiculous.

In other news, I keep imagining a church choir singing "Hallelujah! Hallelujah!" at how the light is shining from the window where Fa'Lina is standing. X3
Title: Re: 12/19/08 [Abel 2 #40] - Let's see what's outsi...
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on December 20, 2008, 10:28:49 AM
Quote from: Ink on December 20, 2008, 10:12:03 AM
Also, in light (no pun intended) of not having posted for a while, just to throw this in; I can't help but notice that the whole art direction for part 2 of Abel's Story seems to revolve on a play with shadow and light straight from the intro screen, to 'The Good Doctor''s voice, Destania's manipulations, up until now. Might be irrelevant, but it seems noteworthy enough to me.[/i]

Interesting. I think that one had slipped me by; I'd noticed the various light shows (as it were) at the time, but the overall sequence of them had escaped me.

Perhaps I need to re-read the archive again. ;-]
Title: Re: 12/19/08 [Abel 2 #40] - Let's see what's outsi...
Post by: Turnsky on December 20, 2008, 10:35:23 AM
Quote from: Gareeku on December 20, 2008, 10:15:50 AM

I highly doubt that is the underlying message, I think that's more of a case of words being twisted. What people from the "shut-up-and-enjoy-the-crowd" mean is that people are analysing every. Single. Little. Detail. Even those which hardly bear any importance to the story, to the point where one wonders if someone is going to point at the colour of a character's shirt and say "OMG that's the same colour as Edward's! It must be him!" or something equally as ridiculous.

but you'll always have the proverbial 'conspiracy theorists' for a comic, but that's also an opportunity for the writers and artists alike to leave little things like that to mislead, and potentially lead the entire fanbase by the nose so a potential plot twist can -really- come out of left field, slug 'em in the face, and leave them absolutely gobsmacked, cursing your very name.  :mwaha
Title: Re: 12/19/08 [Abel 2 #40] - Let's see what's outsi...
Post by: Tapewolf on December 20, 2008, 11:00:14 AM
Well, I was hoping to just let this die, because I really don't want to clutter the thread with it.  However you have asked, I shall answer, and hopefully we can get on.

Quote from: Ink on December 20, 2008, 10:12:03 AM
Well executed rebuttals but, don't take this next one as a personal attack, it really begs the question; What is your motivation, if not to make yourself feel good nor to ratify yourself?
Firstly, if I leap on a particular idea, it's because I like the feel of it, or I've seen an implication that I find pleasing.
The other motivation is simply that I enjoy the detective-work involved.  Simply put, I find it an enjoyable mental exercise.  I can't speak for anyone else, of course.

QuoteI'm sorry I have to press the matter, however I want to resolve this conflict once and for all and the only way we're ever making progress beyond simple skirmishes of posts sparsely distributed across several threads is to see where you and everyone stands on the matter and put forth a final statement.

I think it boils down to three things:
1. I speculate because I enjoy what it involves, as I've said above.

2. As a side-effect it often gives me ideas for my own writings and if this works for me, it's a fairly safe bet that it can inspire others, which is something I encourage.

3. I like to see other people think about the comic in-depth rather than just passively enjoying it.  Not just for the sake of DMFA, but because this kind of analysis is a useful skill.  (Often theories which seem harebrained have turned out to be the reason a piece of software doesn't work, for example.)

As a separate issue, I'll admit that I can come across as abrasive and/or arrogant.  That's a character flaw and it's something I'd like to fix.  I'll try harder if it will help keep the peace.

Ultimately, I don't think this dispute is something that can be solved permanently, as it were - even if the two sides come to an agreement now, the whole thing will start over when some bright-eyed newbie joins the forum and says "Doesn't Aniz look a lot like Edward?" or something.  I think the best thing is for both sides to be a bit more restrained.  Sound sensible?

Quote from: Turnsky on December 20, 2008, 10:35:23 AM
but you'll always have the proverbial 'conspiracy theorists' for a comic, but that's also an opportunity for the writers and artists alike to leave little things like that to mislead, and potentially lead the entire fanbase by the nose so a potential plot twist can -really- come out of left field, slug 'em in the face, and leave them absolutely gobsmacked, cursing your very name.  :mwaha
I know what you mean.  I've done a little bit of that myself.


Quote from: Ink on December 20, 2008, 10:12:03 AM
Also, in light (no pun intended) of not having posted for a while, just to throw this in; I can't help but notice that the whole art direction for part 2 of Abel's Story seems to revolve on a play with shadow and light straight from the intro screen, to 'The Good Doctor''s voice, Destania's manipulations, up until now. Might be irrelevant, but it seems noteworthy enough to me.[/i]

You're right.  Now I think about it, there's been a lot more use of lighting.  On the other hand, part 2 is based mostly on interiors... Part 1 had a lot more exterior/day-lit scenes.  Actually I saw the cover of part 2 as being a counterpoint to the main cover.  It's quite likely that Amber's skill in lighting has improved over the course of the series.
Title: Re: 12/19/08 [Abel 2 #40] - Let's see what's outsi...
Post by: Magic on December 20, 2008, 11:42:37 AM
QuoteWell, I was hoping to just let this die

Oh, please don't. Through better understanding, we can reach a more sensible settlement for both sides, can we not? Besides, this is as much a mental exercise as the ones you put forth.

QuoteUltimately, I don't think this dispute is something that can be solved permanently, as it were

As above, this is better than leaving unanswered grievances, which might become worse when said bright eyed newbie comes. We could at least come to the conclusion that both sides may concede to. After all, damage control with existing members of the forum is reasonable, is it not?

Overall, I see that your reasons are quite noble, but alas it is quite difficult to convey over text in a post in a forum. Nor are they as easy to believe as you yourself might find it. Perhaps we misunderstand you, but I see that you were also so kind as to admit fault as well. That is quite honorable of you. Everyone can agree to disagree, but at least now I believe both sides can now understand each other.

Indeed, I do agree that both sides should find restraint in themselves, but I feel that is insufficient. For the sake of goodwill; might I suggest we should try to add a little more empathy into how we speak? And by we, I mean everyone, of course. I will try to convince Gareeku and Janus whenever I see them next, or you could do so yourself via private message, if you want to. That might be best.

That would be everything I want to know, and hear from you. Thank you for your time and patience. Please do not mind me, as I only ever want to act as an even-handed observer.
Title: Re: 12/19/08 [Abel 2 #40] - Let's see what's outsi...
Post by: superluser on December 20, 2008, 01:30:07 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on December 20, 2008, 11:00:14 AM3. I like to see other people think about the comic in-depth rather than just passively enjoying it.  Not just for the sake of DMFA, but because this kind of analysis is a useful skill.  (Often theories which seem harebrained have turned out to be the reason a piece of software doesn't work, for example.)

I'd just like to point out that I've read a few books where this level of scrutiny would appear amateurish--because there's not enough scrutiny.

For example, in The Crying of Lot 49, there's an offhand reference to Pierce Inverarity affecting a number of voices such as Lamont Cranston's over the telephone.  This is, of course, a joke, since The Shadow's voice was meant to sound like it was coming over a telephone, and the multiple actors who played The Shadow sounded nothing like each other, thus making such an impersonation impossible.  Furthermore, the fact that Pierce is identified as a shadow is fitting, since he is the unseen but driving force for the entire novel, and also dead.  The fact that he's speaking over the telephone and masking his voice leads back to the novel's central themes of communication and entropy.

That entire analysis comes from two words.  And that's just Pynchon.  If you start reading criticism of Joyce or Eliot, you can find people writing Master's theses about Visual Devices in the "Circe" Episode of James Joyce's Ulysses (for example (http://oai.dtic.mil/oai/oai?verb=getRecord&metadataPrefix=html&identifier=ADA406547))
Title: Re: 12/19/08 [Abel 2 #40] - Let's see what's outsi...
Post by: AmigaDragon on December 20, 2008, 02:48:36 PM
Quote from: Turnsky on December 20, 2008, 08:15:36 AM
Quote from: Kasarn on December 20, 2008, 12:40:49 AM
Quote from: scorpio803 on December 19, 2008, 11:24:56 PM
does anyone know where cubi's third set of wings are located, any speculation?
Cubi are shapeshifters, so they're wherever they want them to be.

Also, they're sort of on the hips >_>;
http://www.missmab.com/graphics/C_October.jpg

"buttwings!" -Billy  :U

"Do these pants make my buttwings look fat?" :mowmeep
Title: Re: 12/19/08 [Abel 2 #40] - Let's see what's outsi...
Post by: Attic Rat on December 20, 2008, 03:53:23 PM
Quote from: AmigaDragon on December 20, 2008, 02:48:36 PM
Quote from: Turnsky on December 20, 2008, 08:15:36 AM
Quote from: Kasarn on December 20, 2008, 12:40:49 AM
Quote from: scorpio803 on December 19, 2008, 11:24:56 PM
does anyone know where cubi's third set of wings are located, any speculation?
Cubi are shapeshifters, so they're wherever they want them to be.

Also, they're sort of on the hips >_>;
http://www.missmab.com/graphics/C_October.jpg

"buttwings!" -Billy  :U

"Do these pants make my buttwings look fat?" :mowmeep

When the buttwings flutter, don't sniff and mutter.
If you know which side of thy bread hath butter.
Title: Re: 12/19/08 [Abel 2 #40] - Let's see what's outsi...
Post by: Turnsky on December 20, 2008, 06:09:32 PM
Quote from: AmigaDragon on December 20, 2008, 02:48:36 PM
Quote from: Turnsky on December 20, 2008, 08:15:36 AM
Quote from: Kasarn on December 20, 2008, 12:40:49 AM
Quote from: scorpio803 on December 19, 2008, 11:24:56 PM
does anyone know where cubi's third set of wings are located, any speculation?
Cubi are shapeshifters, so they're wherever they want them to be.

Also, they're sort of on the hips >_>;
http://www.missmab.com/graphics/C_October.jpg

"buttwings!" -Billy  :U

"Do these pants make my buttwings look fat?" :mowmeep

*grabs cuban cigar and dons groucho marx costume*
"i've heard of flying by the seat of your pants before, but this is ridiculous!"
*waggles eyebrows*
</groucho>
Title: Re: 12/19/08 [Abel 2 #40] - Let's see what's outsi...
Post by: Sunblink on December 20, 2008, 08:10:26 PM
Quote from: Ink on December 20, 2008, 11:42:37 AM
Oh, please don't. Through better understanding, we can reach a more sensible settlement for both sides, can we not? Besides, this is as much a mental exercise as the ones you put forth.

No, certainly not! Gentlemen, there are far more flexible ways for reasonable people such as yourselves to reach an agreement.

And that way is shonen-ai.

Jakob and Ink. Now. Go.




I can never be counted on to take anything seriously. :<
Title: Re: 12/19/08 [Abel 2 #40] - Let's see what's outsi...
Post by: Magic on December 20, 2008, 08:18:23 PM
You tempt me, good madam.
Title: Re: 12/19/08 [Abel 2 #40] - Let's see what's outsi...
Post by: Ren Gaulen on December 20, 2008, 08:28:21 PM
In fact, you tempt me too. >:3
Title: Re: 12/19/08 [Abel 2 #40] - Let's see what's outsi...
Post by: Colgatecrusader on December 20, 2008, 08:32:09 PM
Quote from: Kasarn on December 20, 2008, 12:40:49 AM
Quote from: scorpio803 on December 19, 2008, 11:24:56 PM
does anyone know where cubi's third set of wings are located, any speculation?
Cubi are shapeshifters, so they're wherever they want them to be.

Also, they're sort of on the hips >_>;
http://www.missmab.com/graphics/C_October.jpg

ohhh... those hips. yeah.
Title: Re: 12/19/08 [Abel 2 #40] - Let's see what's outsi...
Post by: Janus Whitefurr on December 20, 2008, 08:41:33 PM
Oh. Oh Keaton...

What hast thou wrought D:
Title: Re: 12/19/08 [Abel 2 #40] - Let's see what's outsi...
Post by: Colgatecrusader on December 20, 2008, 08:46:31 PM
a conflict that could threaten to destroy the stability of the forum and universe as a whole? Hey Ink is there a reason you type in italics? or does it just look cool?
Title: Re: 12/19/08 [Abel 2 #40] - Let's see what's outsi...
Post by: Amber Williams on December 20, 2008, 09:06:30 PM
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on December 20, 2008, 08:10:26 PM
No, certainly not! Gentlemen, there are far more flexible ways for reasonable people such as yourselves to reach an agreement.

And that way is shonen-ai.

Jakob and Ink. Now. Go.

You had me at flexible. :3

Oh wait...this is a thread about Abel's Story isnt it. I guess I should post something relavent. Umm...er...

Fa'Lina is a character who is very odd in that she has multiple outfits and hairstyles and will actually change her clothes daily. Its completly crazy. I apologize for all the inconveniences. :U
Title: Re: 12/19/08 [Abel 2 #40] - Let's see what's outsi...
Post by: Reese Tora on December 20, 2008, 09:49:44 PM
Quote from: Janus Whitefurr on December 20, 2008, 08:20:43 AMWhat I'd like is some sane, sensical speculation that doesn't involve wild mass guessing and rampant theorising about the tiniest of plot points.

hmm... you forgot to make it a link (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WildMassGuessing)

Anyway, everyone loves planting epileptic trees (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EpilepticTrees).
Title: Re: 12/19/08 [Abel 2 #40] - Let's see what's outsi...
Post by: Colgatecrusader on December 20, 2008, 10:05:20 PM
I thought that there was just a style for the abel story and a style for the regular comic... thanks for clearing that up.
Title: Re: 12/19/08 [Abel 2 #40] - Let's see what's outsi...
Post by: Alondro on December 20, 2008, 10:12:57 PM
Quote from: superluser on December 19, 2008, 04:51:31 PM
Quote from: Lucheek on December 19, 2008, 04:42:45 PMI get the feeling Fa'Lina is crying.

On the inside, at least.

This made me think of one of the "Ultimate Naruto Fanflash" videos.   :3

*sasuke*Cryyyyying iiiiiin my skiiiiiin!

These wouuuuunds they will nooooot heaaaaal!

*Gara bitch slaps him*  Shut up!  Will you shut up! 

XD
Title: Re: 12/19/08 [Abel 2 #40] - Let's see what's outsi...
Post by: Turnsky on December 20, 2008, 11:04:00 PM
Quote from: Amber Williams on December 20, 2008, 09:06:30 PM


Fa'Lina is a character who is very odd in that she has multiple outfits and hairstyles and will actually change her clothes daily. Its completly crazy. I apologize for all the inconveniences. :U

makes perfect sense to me, actually.  :U
Title: Re: 12/19/08 [Abel 2 #40] - Let's see what's outsi...
Post by: superluser on December 20, 2008, 11:27:03 PM
Quote from: Amber Williams on December 20, 2008, 09:06:30 PMFa'Lina is a character who is very odd in that she has multiple outfits and hairstyles and will actually change her clothes daily. Its completly crazy. I apologize for all the inconveniences. :U

:erk Wow.  Received wisdom!  I'm printing this out four times so that I can use my standard method here.  One I shall frame and mount on the wall so that I can look at it every day.  One I eat so that it will be with me always.  One I give to the tattoo artist so he can write this into my flesh so that I see it when I do my daily tattoo admiration hour, and one I shall place under my sheets.  I love that.

This is truly the bestest revelation ever.
Title: Re: 12/19/08 [Abel 2 #40] - Let's see what's outsi...
Post by: Corgatha Taldorthar on December 21, 2008, 12:03:23 AM
I'm wondering, if she's that powerful, would she be able to snap her fingers and magically change her clothes/hair. It would make the process much easier.
Title: Re: 12/19/08 [Abel 2 #40] - Let's see what's outsi...
Post by: AmigaDragon on December 21, 2008, 12:43:25 AM
Quote from: Amber Williams on December 20, 2008, 09:06:30 PM
Fa'Lina is a character who is very odd in that she has multiple outfits and hairstyles and will actually change her clothes daily. Its completly crazy. I apologize for all the inconveniences. :U

A while back, I noticed that one of my aunts would change outfits 3-4 times in a day. Don't know if she still does or not.
Title: Re: 12/19/08 [Abel 2 #40] - Let's see what's outsi...
Post by: Naldru on December 21, 2008, 09:20:36 AM
There are some debates that not even the creator of a story can resolve.  People can always argue that while the creator's conscious intent was A, there was obviously an unconscious influence of B.  Before long, you run out of letters in the alphabet and start using Greek letters and Venn diagrams  (Driving some people to say "It's all Greek to me".)  As Freud supposedly said, but probably didn't: "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar."

By the way, my understanding was that in the antebellum South, women had morning clothes, afternoon clothes and evening clothes.  In the morning, women would go around checking on the servants and doing various errands that might result in the clothes getting dusty, so you wore comfortable clothes that didn't have to have a spotless condition.  In the afternoon, people would come visiting and you wanted to look "presentable".  Fancier clothes were for the evening events. 

Amber, as for the wallpapers with matching backgrounds.  You might want to consider doing the background separately on a single board.  (You can do the background  at half scale.)  You can then split it in half and use each half as a background layer for each wallpaper.  Alternatively, do one side, and print a one inch strip of the right edge of the left wallpaper.  Tape that to the board for the right wallpaper when you make it.

****

Edit:

Just  because something walks, swims, and quacks like a duck doesn't necessarily mean that it is a duck.  However, the possibility of it being a duck is a hypothesis worthy of consideration until disproven.
Title: Re: 12/19/08 [Abel 2 #40] - Let's see what's outsi...
Post by: Turnsky on December 21, 2008, 09:51:00 AM
Quote from: Naldru on December 21, 2008, 09:20:36 AM
There are some debates that not even the creator of a story can resolve.  People can always argue that while the creator's conscious intent was A, there was obviously an unconscious influence of B.  Before long, you run out of letters in the alphabet and start using Greek letters and Venn diagrams  (Driving some people to say "It's all Greek to me".)  As Freud supposedly said, but probably didn't: "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar."

By the way, my understanding was that in the antebellum South, women had morning clothes, afternoon clothes and evening clothes.  In the morning, women would go around checking on the servants and doing various errands that might result in the clothes getting dusty, so you wore comfortable clothes that didn't have to have a spotless condition.  In the afternoon, people would come visiting and you wanted to look "presentable".  Fancier clothes were for the evening events. 

and some folks go... "it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, even smells like a du.... OMG IT MUST BE ANIZ!"  :U  some people see what they want to see, even if they can't see the proverbial forest for the equally proverbial trees. Not that i'd be remarking on their intelligence, mind. Just that some develop a proverbial tunnel vision because they want to see a comic develop -just so- which more often than not, can fly in the face of what the author has intended.
But if their theories are ratified, they get all bouncy for a while, then come crashing down in flames when the next twist destroys all the hopes and dreams..
(They're totally gonna see Aniz, Edward or Thomas Jefferson in a toasted cheese sandwich next, mark my words. )

as for Fa'lina, it does make perfect sense for a cubi with some sense of style to have a wardrobe of more than one outfit, considering her 'girls' are *ahem* "factory standard" it'd go with her personality to have clothes that were her own, rather than what her Succubi abilities give her. Of course that doesn't stop her from performing a quick costume change if a Broadway musical number is required.  :3
Title: Re: 12/19/08 [Abel 2 #40] - Let's see what's outsi...
Post by: Tapewolf on December 21, 2008, 10:06:23 AM
Quote from: Turnsky on December 21, 2008, 09:51:00 AM
and some folks go... "it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, even smells like a du.... OMG IT MUST BE ANIZ!"  :U
You've been there too, Turnsky  >:3  Different theory, but same pattern.

Quotesome people see what they want to see, even if they can't see the proverbial forest for the equally proverbial trees. Not that i'd be remarking on their intelligence, mind. Just that some develop a proverbial tunnel vision because they want to see a comic develop -just so- which more often than not, can fly in the face of what the author has intended.
But if their theories are ratified, they get all bouncy for a while, then come crashing down in flames when the next twist destroys all the hopes and dreams..

That's surprisingly difficult to do.  Firstly, no-one has yet been able to conclusively stick a pin through the damn thing, much as I'd like to see it disproved.  Secondly, it's not one single theory.  It's more a theme, or a collection of interlinked theories and variations tied together by a single premise.

If that basic premise is proved to be false, the whole thing evaporates and is forgotten.  I'll come away looking a bit of a pleb for having nailed my colours to the wrong flag.   If the underlying premise is true, the thing still has a boatload of different directions it could take, for good or ill.  It's all there in the wiki.

**EDIT*
I might add that much of this thread seems to be about me somehow gaining status by predicting what Amber will do.  This is in error - I must point out that I didn't invent the theory.  I think, on balance, that it's more correct than incorrect, and as I say, I'm willing to be proved wrong.  But at the end of the day, I didn't propose it and cannot take credit for it.
That is all... I will now return to lurking.

It all fit: the pieces of the puzzle slipped together smoothly.  Saul was convinced.
He was also wrong.


--Illuminatus!
Title: Re: 12/19/08 [Abel 2 #40] - Let's see what's outsi...
Post by: Turnsky on December 21, 2008, 08:01:20 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on December 21, 2008, 10:06:23 AM
Quote from: Turnsky on December 21, 2008, 09:51:00 AM
and some folks go... "it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, even smells like a du.... OMG IT MUST BE ANIZ!"  :U
You've been there too, Turnsky  >:3  Different theory, but same pattern.

ah,  but i have yet to harp on about it like some have in the past.
Title: Re: 12/19/08 [Abel 2 #40] - Let's see what's outsi...
Post by: AndersW on December 22, 2008, 09:28:50 AM
Quote from: Turnsky on December 20, 2008, 06:09:32 PM
Quote from: AmigaDragon on December 20, 2008, 02:48:36 PM
"Do these pants make my buttwings look fat?" :mowmeep

*grabs cuban cigar and dons groucho marx costume*
"i've heard of flying by the seat of your pants before, but this is ridiculous!"
*waggles eyebrows*
</groucho>

:mwaha

Quote from: Turnsky on December 21, 2008, 09:51:00 AM
(They're totally gonna see Aniz, Edward or Thomas Jefferson in a toasted cheese sandwich next, mark my words. )

I totally saw that in my sandwich yesterday, but I eated it.


As the person who come up with the theory in question, I can say that I had no intention of coming up with such an outlandish scenario.  Someone had innocently made a comment that Aniz and Edward looked similar.  I was like, "Oh god, someone is going to come up with a crazy theory based on that.  Here, I'll go and find some evidence to disprove it before it goes anywhere."  You can see how well that worked.
Title: Re: 12/19/08 [Abel 2 #40] - Let's see what's outsi...
Post by: Turnsky on December 22, 2008, 09:58:28 AM
Quote from: AndersW on December 22, 2008, 09:28:50 AM

As the person who come up with the theory in question, I can say that I had no intention of coming up with such an outlandish scenario.  Someone had innocently made a comment that Aniz and Edward looked similar.  I was like, "Oh god, someone is going to come up with a crazy theory based on that.  Here, I'll go and find some evidence to disprove it before it goes anywhere."  You can see how well that worked.
it went down like this, i think
(http://www.flatrock.org.nz/topics/flying/assets/hindenburg.jpg)
>:3

:P