Devin seems to know a lot about how he died. I'm not sure that Aniz, for example, knew that much...
Sometimes being jerkish can be a good thing, especally when you can shrug off getting killed and harass someone back to sanity.
Quote from: Madmann135 on November 14, 2008, 02:35:11 AMharass someone back to sanity.
Now this... is an idea I could get behind.
OOoooOoO...you're still hearing my voice...and that means you're still insane, so snap out of it!
Ahh, the current strips keep reminding me how much it seems that Present Abel takes after Devin.
Quote from: superluser on November 14, 2008, 02:31:46 AM
Devin seems to know a lot about how he died. I'm not sure that Aniz, for example, knew that much...
If he's a ghost, he may remember how he died. If he's a figment of Abel's imagination (dreaming or hallucinating), "he" knows how he died. If it's another cubi dabbling in Abel's dreams and posing as Devin, they may have read enough memories to know. In each case, "Devin" knows.
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Quote from: Fragmaster01 on November 14, 2008, 02:54:30 AM
Ahh, the current strips keep reminding me how much it seems that Present Abel takes after Devin.
I wonder what Devin would have to say if he could see Abel now...
Quote from: senrath on November 14, 2008, 03:10:35 AM
Quote from: Fragmaster01 on November 14, 2008, 02:54:30 AM
Ahh, the current strips keep reminding me how much it seems that Present Abel takes after Devin.
I wonder what Devin would have to say if he could see Abel now...
"Hey... that 'roo-rat's cute... you should totally ask him out..."
Sorry, couldn't resist.
Anyway, poor Abel. Poor Amber too. The art's kinda neat. Hold on, Amber! You'll make it!
Quote from: senrath on November 14, 2008, 03:10:35 AM
Quote from: Fragmaster01 on November 14, 2008, 02:54:30 AM
Ahh, the current strips keep reminding me how much it seems that Present Abel takes after Devin.
I wonder what Devin would have to say if he could see Abel now...
"I've created a monster! D:"
Wow..Abel used to be so...innocent.
Wonder what he'd be like had all of this not been so dramatic and scarring.
Ah well..Nice of Fa'lina to let Abel wrap things up with Devin..if that is the case.
Quote from: AmigaDragon on November 14, 2008, 03:06:28 AMIf it's another cubi dabbling in Abel's dreams and posing as Devin, they may have read enough memories to know. In each case, "Devin" knows.
Whatever is going on seems to be more than thought-reading, so I'm guessing prank by the new roommate is unlikely and whoever is doing this has had more than a passing encounter with Abel.
I see Lindesfarne finally got Fenton's goat. :rolleyes
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I dont know he seems a little to cool and relaxed to just be a part of his mind.
If this is part of his brain then there should be a reflection of his guilt feelings ( yes i know its not his fault but trust me you would have them anyway ).
Quote from: superluser on November 14, 2008, 03:31:46 AM
Whatever is going on seems to be more than thought-reading, so I'm guessing prank by the new roommate is unlikely and whoever is doing this has had more than a passing encounter with Abel.
If it is Fa'Lina doing this, she's likely seen the entire Devin-Abel thing.
Through my mind, the events of the day cycle. Stuck almost on an unending loop. (http://missmab.com/Comics/Ab_003.php).
Quote from: Ted Schiller on November 14, 2008, 04:40:10 AM
I see Lindesfarne finally got Fenton's goat. :rolleyes
*snerk*
I'd suggest you put some note to make it clear that you're talking about the random art, rather than the update, though.
Quote from: Tapewolf on November 14, 2008, 05:59:35 AMIf it is Fa'Lina doing this, she's likely seen the entire Devin-Abel thing.
Through my mind, the events of the day cycle. Stuck almost on an unending loop. (http://missmab.com/Comics/Ab_003.php).
Well, yes. And Ink, too. I'm just saying that it's narrowing the field of candidates.
Quote from: superluser on November 14, 2008, 06:07:48 AM
Well, yes. And Ink, too. I'm just saying that it's narrowing the field of candidates.
Yes, though I don't really see Ink doing this. Yes, Fa'Lina might have ordered him to, but she can be much more caring than we've ever seen him be. Also, she confirmed to Aniz that she could 'take care of' Abel, and this (the idea of Devin being her avatar) seems very much in line with how she'd approach it. Though it would be kind of cool if Devin is real.
... Er, yeah. 350 years of having your invisible friend making snarky comments every time you turn around. That'll make you well-balanced, indeed.
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on November 14, 2008, 08:14:55 AM
... Er, yeah. 350 years of having your invisible friend making snarky comments every time you turn around. That'll make you well-balanced, indeed.
That's the stuff (very bad) sitcoms are made of. But no, if Devin is real, it doesn't mean that this isn't just a flying visit.
Quote from: Tapewolf on November 14, 2008, 07:45:04 AMYes, though I don't really see Ink doing this. Yes, Fa'Lina might have ordered him to, but she can be much more caring than we've ever seen him be.
This is true. The main reason why I keep bringing Ink up in this is that Fa'Lina doesn't really seem to be very hands-on when it comes to probing people's minds, whereas Ink seems to do it all the time. That and he's one of the few people who have probably seen these memories first-hand.
Quote from: superluser on November 14, 2008, 08:21:00 AM
This is true. The main reason why I keep bringing Ink up in this is that Fa'Lina doesn't really seem to be very hands-on when it comes to probing people's minds, whereas Ink seems to do it all the time. That and he's one of the few people who have probably seen these memories first-hand.
Maybe she's just very very good at it, and you didn't see her do it?
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Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on November 14, 2008, 08:14:55 AM
... Er, yeah. 350 years of having your invisible friend making snarky comments every time you turn around. That'll make you well-balanced, indeed.
That's the stuff (very bad) sitcoms are made of. But no, if Devin is real, it doesn't mean that this isn't just a flying visit.
Well, yes. The whole sitcom thing was why I was pondering it.
You have a point, though.
Ironically, if you think about it, whether Devin is a ghost or an uploaded memory file, He and abel's thoughts (not nessesarily personality) would merge.
Arguably.
It's entirely possible that, according to Amber's storyline, keeping them separate is expected and normal. In which case, you're incorrect about the merger.
But it all boils down to "What Amber says", really. Anyone else is just guessing.
(Although I'll be interested to see if you're right)
Yup, all Abel could do was whimper and hide.
I don't really see him as the type who could go Super Sayan for great justice and smite all the enemies. :P
I had previously mentioned that I had thought that Abel was trying to do a healing spell for Devin. Now I'm wondering if he could have preparing to execute one of the lightning bolt spells that was previously mentioned (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_25.php). That could have explained Devin's comment that Abel would have simply gotten himself killed as well. (His skills in combat were severely lacking at that time.) In which case, the Devin image (ghost, hallucination, etc.) knows more than the real Devin would have.
Quote from: Naldru on November 14, 2008, 12:40:50 PM
That could have explained Devin's comment that Abel would have simply gotten himself killed as well. (His skills in combat were severely lacking at that time.) In which case, the Devin image (ghost, hallucination, etc.) knows more than the real Devin would have.
Maybe, but I don't think it takes a great combat strategist to realise that if demons kill an entire fort followed by two (or more) talented adventurers, a librarian is going to be equally dead if he tries any heroics.
Quote from: Ted Schiller on November 14, 2008, 04:40:10 AM
I see Lindesfarne finally got Fenton's goat. :rolleyes
Who got who's goat? Totally lost me there.
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Quote from: AmigaDragon on November 15, 2008, 05:52:28 PM
Who got who's goat? Totally lost me there.
Kevin and Kell (http://www.kevinandkell.com/) reference.
"Well...How ironic! I'm pretty sorry I died too!"
That line is one for the book! I'll never stop being amazed how Amber could squeeze humor in such a glum scene!
Quote from: Tapewolf on November 14, 2008, 05:59:35 AM
Quote from: superluser on November 14, 2008, 03:31:46 AM
Whatever is going on seems to be more than thought-reading, so I'm guessing prank by the new roommate is unlikely and whoever is doing this has had more than a passing encounter with Abel.
If it is Fa'Lina doing this, she's likely seen the entire Devin-Abel thing.
Through my mind, the events of the day cycle. Stuck almost on an unending loop. (http://missmab.com/Comics/Ab_003.php).
That, and I don't know if anyone's noticed it yet, Been busying and no reading time, but look at the eye colors... They look to be to be the same golden shade.. .. Although Ink and the nurse Cubi(Forget name, sowwy!) all have a golden shade too.. Fa'lina's are about the same size and shape
Quote from: Aurawyn on November 16, 2008, 05:40:44 AMThat, and I don't know if anyone's noticed it yet, Been busying and no reading time, but look at the eye colors... They look to be to be the same golden shade.. .. Although Ink and the nurse Cubi(Forget name, sowwy!) all have a golden shade too.. Fa'lina's are about the same size and shape
Look at Page 4 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Ab_005.php). Fa'Lina's are nowhere near as bright when they're in the dark. In Page 22 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Ab_022.php), both are Fa'Lina and Ink have the same intensity as Devin-ghost in 35, but that's in the light. I think RJ can get that high, too, judging from 595 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_595.php).
Still, I don't think we can disqualify anyone on the basis of eye color.
I still think, that if we're going with the theory that "This is another 'Cubi who read Abel's mind and projected into him" that Ink is the most likely candidate.
Here's why. According to the Cubi mind abilities in Demonology 101, there are two "classes" of telepathy. Thought reading, is essentially the reading of surface thoughts, and is done much the way you would hear a voice that is shouted in your general direction.
Mind reading, on the other hand, takes much more time, energy, and is fraught with risk. It's not something a 'Cubi Can do by reaching out at a moment's notice.
But........... Abel has been in Ink's custody for three days. Devin says "another" (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Ab_037.php) with the implication that he's been there three days already. I doubt too many people other than Ink or Fa'Lina would be given access to Abel while he's in quarantine, and I don't think that Fa'Lina's intreview was long enough to let her do a real mind reading. Also, Mind reading is dangerous, and I don't see Fa'Lina risking Abel being damaged with a procedure like this. Ink, on the other hand, doesn't seem to like Abel, and probably wouldn't care as much if his brain breaks.
Now, you're probably going to ask me, "Why are you putting such an emphasis on mind reading? Abel's probably been thinking over the events of that last day before the academy, and any passing 'Cubi could simply thought read him instead."
It's a valid objection, but I'm still sure that Ink has mind read Abel at some point, and probably early in Abel's career. Look here (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_527.php). Now, we don't know why Abel might be indebted to Edward Ti'Fiona's son, but there seems to be at least some reason that Ink thinks so. Ink and Abel don't really seem to be on good terms, and I can't see someone as closed in as Abel blabbing something that personal to him. We also know that Abel has some sort of Mind Shield ability which prevents his thoughts from being read. Presumably that works no matter how powerful the telepath is, although it is conceivable that a powerful enough 'Cubi can "drill" through the shield. Still, if Ink wants to get some insight into Abel, this is the most opportune time, when Abel has no training nor even emotional capability to defend himself.
Counterpoint: At SAIA, Fa'Lina is semi-omnipotent. Hence, her being able to read minds without looking like she's straining is perfectly possible.
(see also other notes about her status and power, some of which I'm not at liberty to talk about)
Hence, "Fa'Lina hasn't had a chance to read his mind" is quite possibly utterly false. All she might need is to think about doing it, when she's at SAIA. We really don't know.
Additionally, you might want to pay attention to how Ink behaves when Fa'Lina remonstrates him for assuming. I think even if _he_ doesn't care about Abel, you can bet he's going to be very very careful about what he does, because she sure as heck does, and she's powerful enough that he's not going to cross her. In fact, he'll go a long way out of his way to avoid crossing her.
Which makes him damaging Abel pretty unlikely, IMHO.
My 2p.
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on November 16, 2008, 01:25:01 PMHence, "Fa'Lina hasn't had a chance to read his mind" is quite possibly utterly false.
This is true. From all we know of Fa'Lina, however, she has shown no inclination to dig into minds, and given some of her reactions in the cubi-abilities arc, she might find the whole thing offensive.
I think it's fair to say that both Ink and Fa'Lina have the means and opportunity, but Fa'Lina has the stronger motive for impersonating Devin, while Ink has the stronger motive for reading his mind.
Though it could easily be someone completely different, as well. I just suspect it's not a first year.
Quote from: superluser on November 16, 2008, 01:35:44 PM
Though it could easily be someone completely different, as well. I just suspect it's not a first year.
My gut feeling is that they are, for now, keeping him separate from the other 'Cubi. Certainly I'd do that in Fa'Lina's place, until he seems ready to interact with others. It only seems sensible, given that the other students will tend to be emotional manipulators.
Quote from: Corgatha Taldorthar on November 16, 2008, 11:40:32 AM
But........... Abel has been in Ink's custody for three days. Devin says "another" (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Ab_037.php) with the implication that he's been there three days already. I doubt too many people other than Ink or Fa'Lina would be given access to Abel while he's in quarantine,
Devin could also be referring to another time, like perhaps when Cindy died (which I guess would be only a few days past, since Abel was returning from the funeral just before the attack).
Quote from: Tapewolf on November 16, 2008, 01:53:16 PM
Quote from: superluser on November 16, 2008, 01:35:44 PM
Though it could easily be someone completely different, as well. I just suspect it's not a first year.
My gut feeling is that they are, for now, keeping him separate from the other 'Cubi. Certainly I'd do that in Fa'Lina's place, until he seems ready to interact with others. It only seems sensible, given that the other students will tend to be emotional manipulators.
It may be that he's just being kept away from the general SAIA population but not locked away (not locked in and others not locked out). How far away would cubi have to be to not hear others' unshielded thoughts, a few feet, a few yards, more? That's assuming they're not actively listening for them. If they are, how much does that distance jump?
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Quote from: Tapewolf on November 16, 2008, 01:53:16 PMMy gut feeling is that they are, for now, keeping him separate from the other 'Cubi. Certainly I'd do that in Fa'Lina's place, until he seems ready to interact with others. It only seems sensible, given that the other students will tend to be emotional manipulators.
For some reason, I had interpreted it as his own room, but judging from the metonymy from page 31, I doubt that most dorm rooms have one-way mirrors.
Quote from: superluser on November 16, 2008, 10:42:48 PM
For some reason, I had interpreted it as his own room, but judging from the metonymy from page 31, I doubt that most dorm rooms have one-way mirrors.
Heh. Voyeurism is another feature that I'm sure you'll find, along with exhibitionism, at SAIA.
However, there's nothing that says that that's a one-way mirror; for all we know, Ink and Fa'Lina could be somewhere else entirely, with a magical preview window from an invisible dot on Abel's wall...
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on November 17, 2008, 03:09:42 AMHowever, there's nothing that says that that's a one-way mirror; for all we know, Ink and Fa'Lina could be somewhere else entirely, with a magical preview window from an invisible dot on Abel's wall...
While magical preview windows are certainly conceivable, we do know that Ink has observation windows (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_526.php), and I assume that they're one-way (I hasten to point out that I can't be sure that it's not a clear window in page 31).
"Devin" has provided, in effect, forgiveness to Abel.
This can be very good indeed.
Healing may now begin...
And let's face it - Abel could use some healing at this point in his life.