QuoteBy the time Fi did return, Fa'Lina had already summoned a new warp-aci, causing Fi's original moniker as Fa'Lina clan to be null
*Blinks* Does that say what I think it says?
Quote from: Lego3400 on November 01, 2008, 09:41:50 PM
QuoteBy the time Fi did return, Fa'Lina had already summoned a new warp-aci, causing Fi's original moniker as Fa'Lina clan to be null
*Blinks* Does that say what I think it says?
What, that Fa'Lina is a clan all to herself, that Warp-Aci have the clan logo on their forehead, or that Fi used to belong to Fa'Lina?
What llearch said, with linky goodness (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_605.php)
The former. It makes it sound like that anyways. We still don't know who founded the clan but they're still alive. The way it's phrased though makes it seem like... I mean we always phrase Dan's Clan as Cyra Clan. This is phrased the same way.
(Though it makes me wonder what one does to found a clan <.<))
... Fa'Lina founded her clan.
Only, being a clan founder, as I understand it, means you can't personally have any more children. And after she reached her hallowed position, the entire rest of her clan was exterminated.
This is all old news, I thought. I'm pretty sure it's public (ish) knowledge?
K. That makes me wonder how one founds a clan now...
I'd think you'd have to infer it from all of the other information (such as Abel's Cubi history lesson).
To found a clan, you'd probably have to be either very powerful (like Fa'Lina or Cyra), or very ambitious (like Aniz).
Well clearly. But there has to be some sort of process involved. I was wondering if Amber has ever divulged any info on that bit
Well, if she has, I haven't seen it.
Quote from: Lego3400 on November 01, 2008, 10:01:58 PM
Well clearly. But there has to be some sort of process involved. I was wondering if Amber has ever divulged any info on that bit
Be aware that at least some of the info she
has divulged has been restricted, and we are deliberately not stating all that we know. Not least, there's at least two pages on the server that are specifically stated as "if you mention the contents of this page on the forum you will be banned", so we should probably just leave it there, yes? ;-]
Spoilers, y'know.
Like many rituals, the process of founding a Cubi Clan goes a bit like this:
You put your left wing in
You put your left wing out
You put your left wing in and you shake it all about
You do the hokey pokey and you turn about
And that's what's it's all about
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on November 01, 2008, 10:09:22 PM
Quote from: Lego3400 on November 01, 2008, 10:01:58 PM
Well clearly. But there has to be some sort of process involved. I was wondering if Amber has ever divulged any info on that bit
Be aware that at least some of the info she has divulged has been restricted, and we are deliberately not stating all that we know. Not least, there's at least two pages on the server that are specifically stated as "if you mention the contents of this page on the forum you will be banned", so we should probably just leave it there, yes? ;-]
Spoilers, y'know.
*transforms into a monkey, jumps on boxen's back, and starts picking his brain*
I've read those pages (And realize how very close to the line we are treading.) It never mentions anything about the prosses of becoming a clan founder (Although something it did mention... YOU repeated here so the point of hiding that one thing at this point is moot)
Quote from: Ghostwish on November 01, 2008, 11:24:10 PM
*transforms into a monkey, jumps on boxen's back, and starts picking his brain*
What brain?
Quote from: Lego3400 on November 02, 2008, 01:18:40 AM
I've read those pages (And realize how very close to the line we are treading.) It never mentions anything about the prosses of becoming a clan founder (Although something it did mention... YOU repeated here so the point of hiding that one thing at this point is moot)
That one thing was mentioned elsewhere as well, I'm pretty sure. Although I do recognise your point...
Amber has said that a clan founder must be Tri-Winged. However, she has also said that it's possible to create a clan without ascending in that manner. My interpretation of this is that if you want to create a clan from scratch, you need the extra set of wings, but it's also possible to fork off your existing clan as a regular two-wing 'Cubi.
http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php/topic,3268.msg141352.html#msg141352
http://nice.llearch.net/dmfa_forum1863.htm#ref4
Quote from: Kasarn on November 01, 2008, 10:17:49 PM
Like many rituals, the process of founding a Cubi Clan goes a bit like this:
Heresy! Every insanely-highly-powered 'Cubi knows the ritual is actually performed using the Birdie Dance (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birdie_Dance)! :giggle ;)
Since we're in the area already here's another thing I wanna know. Where the frig are the third wings on a founders body. Ankles? Wrists? Waist? (Makes me think of Eternal Sailor Moon...) Second set on head?
Quote from: Lego3400 on November 02, 2008, 11:00:12 AM
Since we're in the area already here's another thing I wanna know. Where the frig are the third wings on a founders body. Ankles? Wrists? Waist? (Makes me think of Eternal Sailor Moon...) Second set on head?
http://missmab.xepher.net/graphics/C_October.jpg
(That's hip-wings)
Quote from: Lego3400 on November 02, 2008, 11:00:12 AM
Since we're in the area already here's another thing I wanna know. Where the frig are the third wings on a founders body. Ankles? Wrists? Waist? (Makes me think of Eternal Sailor Moon...) Second set on head?
The answer to that is on the aforementioned pages.
And also in various images that Amber has put up on MabsLand, I think. Sod if I can locate them, but I'm pretty sure the information is out there...
Edit:
Ah, thank-you, JP.
I wonder if they are Quad-Wings.
Jeeez....could a Quad Wing cubi even walk? How many wings could it go up t....
Oh my god.
Proginoskes is the most Powerful Cubi of the world.
I am intrigued by the cubi, I'd really like to know more about how they work, but I know Amber is swamped with different works. Who knows, maybe alot of this will be mentioned in Abel's Story.
Quote from: Rakala on November 02, 2008, 10:41:37 PM
I am intrigued by the cubi, I'd really like to know more about how they work, but I know Amber is swamped with different works. Who knows, maybe alot of this will be mentioned in Abel's Story.
I get the feeling that a lot of it will be revealed as the storyline progresses. Anyway, I and others have been trying to collect information about them on the DMFA wiki, which can be found here:
http://dmfa.wikia.com/wiki/Cubi
...it's not guaranteed to be accurate of course, but we do try to back it up with citations.
Well the 3rd wing set as a marker of right makes a lot of logic to me i know from what work i have done on dragon resarch that ween dragon clan are formed the founder is often vary old and has multiple wings,eyes and some times head, arms or tails. So its stand to reason that it is a mark of power. After all gray or Divine dragons all ways have 8 wing unless injured and 7 eyes.
I fixed the miss spellings ^^
... Do you suppose, GundamDragon, that you could, possibly, manage to run a spellchecker over your posts before you submit them?
Just a thought.
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on November 03, 2008, 09:35:12 AM
... Do you suppose, GundamDragon, that you could, possibly, manage to run a spellchecker over your posts before you submit them?
Just a thought.
Sorry forgot
Not that I'm trying to be objectionable or anything, but I haven't seen any of your posts that don't have egregious grammatical or spelling errors. In most cases, both.
We're not going anywhere, honest. Slow down, type a little more carefully, and think about your sentences a little. I promise you, it will make you much more understandable, and increase the chances of getting a response immeasurably. Other than a critical response, that is.
Thanks i will but the grammar thing is cuz i never payed any mind to it back in school but i have always been a good writer ween i put my mind to it thoe that ant too often
Quote from: Lego3400 on November 01, 2008, 09:58:02 PM
K. That makes me wonder how one founds a clan now...
Vicariously, through Pyroduck. >:3
Quote from: GundamDragon on November 03, 2008, 10:10:40 AM
Thanks i will but the grammar thing is cuz i never payed any mind to it back in school but i have always been a good writer ween i put my mind to it thoe that ant too often
Gundam, I'm going to put this simply.
Either be more careful, or the administration (that's me, and some others, in case you didn't read the rules) will be forced to take more drastic action to focus your attention. That means You Will Be Banned.
Seriously. Yes, we can, will, and have banned people for not bothering to speak coherently. The reason we give is that if you can't be bothered to be understandable, we can't be bothered to try figuring out what you're saying, and the easiest way to manage that is to simply remove the problem.
The choice is yours.
Quote from: Turnsky on November 03, 2008, 10:25:53 AM
Quote from: Lego3400 on November 01, 2008, 09:58:02 PM
K. That makes me wonder how one founds a clan now...
Vicariously, through Pyroduck. >:3
I was trying to be funny with that last one -_-
Quote from: Turnsky on November 03, 2008, 10:25:53 AM
Quote from: Lego3400 on November 01, 2008, 09:58:02 PM
K. That makes me wonder how one founds a clan now...
Vicariously, through Pyroduck. >:3
I'm not sure anyone but Fa'Lina could do this. Unless, you know, Pyroduck was also adopted by another clan in which only the founder remains, and didn't care he was a dragon...
I'm surpised Falina hasn't offically adopted abel into her clan. She's the closest thing to family he has at this point. Since adoptions due work to induct new members into the clan.
Quote from: Lego3400 on November 03, 2008, 12:44:07 PM
I'm surpised Falina hasn't offically adopted abel into her clan. She's the closest thing to family he has at this point. Since adoptions due work to induct new members into the clan.
Is it possible to adopt cubi into a clan after the original clan founding? I always got the idea that- after a super-powerful Clan Founder used their energy to start the clan- there was no hope of clan-changing energy.
Quote from: Lucheek on November 04, 2008, 05:31:47 PM
Quote from: Lego3400 on November 03, 2008, 12:44:07 PM
I'm surpised Falina hasn't offically adopted abel into her clan. She's the closest thing to family he has at this point. Since adoptions due work to induct new members into the clan.
Is it possible to adopt cubi into a clan after the original clan founding? I always got the idea that- after a super-powerful Clan Founder used their energy to start the clan- there was no hope of clan-changing energy.
As much as I love the idea, I'm pretty sure that's a negative. I mean, really, how many cubi do you think would like to adopt Abel? Or how many would love to be in Fa'Lina's clan?
Actully they can.
QuoteClans can be switched over through a particular marraige process or being adopted, but the ties behind it to the individual being adopted are often weaker. However any children born under that clan title would get full benefit. Meaning if Cubi A who is from a weak clan marries Cubi B who is from a living-founder clan. Cubi A gets more power though not as much as if they were a natural. However children from Cubi A and B will be passed onto full benefits.
I figured out that Fa'Lina was a founder without any "restricted information." In fact, it seemed pretty bleeding obvious to me.
Quote from: Lego3400 on November 04, 2008, 07:00:56 PM
Actully they can.
QuoteClans can be switched over through a particular marraige process or being adopted, but the ties behind it to the individual being adopted are often weaker. However any children born under that clan title would get full benefit. Meaning if Cubi A who is from a weak clan marries Cubi B who is from a living-founder clan. Cubi A gets more power though not as much as if they were a natural. However children from Cubi A and B will be passed onto full benefits.
o.o! Where DID you find that?
second link Tapewolf posted on the first page of posts.
A lot of us have been running on the assumption that Fa'Lina was a clan founder long before the restricted page was posted. Of course, that was before we found out that Tri-Wings and Founders were the exact same thing. (Personally, I didn't find THAT out until Amber said so in this very thread. I knew that some Founders were Tri-Wings, but presumed that not all Tri-Wings were Founders, and vise versa. I know better now.) Now, since Fa'Lina lacks a third set of wings, that leaves us with, ironically enough, three options for why that is.
One, and least likely, is that Fa'Lina is NOT a Founder. Given her age, power, and Tenta-head, while this is possible, it is not very plausible. She would need to be at least as powerful as a Founder to control SAIA to the extent that she does, be vain enough to give herself Tenta-heads every time she breaks out the tentacles, and have found a way to extend her lifespan. It is implied that SAIA has been around for a very long time even by cubi standards, and she CREATED the SAIA. Finally, there is the issue of whether she can have kids. She seems kind of hung up on the thought of being a grandma via her adopted son Pyroduck, to say nothing of filling the void of her maternal instincts by founding SAIA in the first place.
Two, she's hiding her hip wings. :shapeshifters
Three, she lost them when her clan got :/life . That is to say, they were physically lost in battle. ...mmm, sexy hip scars... :dribble
The reason I spelled all that out up there was so I could ask our beloved author a few questions without getting hit by the Ban Hammer for referencing "Restricted Information". Here we go. *Crosses Fingers*
Given that being adopted into a more powerful clan overrides one's pre-existing clan bloodline, and the same holds true for marriage ties, what happens when someone from clan A is adopted into clan B, and has kids with someone in clan C? For example, assuming that 1) Fa'Lina is a Founder, and 2) Abel was metaphysically adopted (I doubt we need to sweat stuff like actual legal adoption for this to work) by her, would any children he may or may not end up siring (ok, that is a real word, but was it the word I was TRYING to spell?) wind up being Fa'Lina's clan? Or, taken another way, if one of Fa'Lina's eventual legal grandchildren (Pyroduck and Alexsi spawn FTW!) were to marry a Cubi, would the eventual Cubi-sided great grandchildren be of Fa'Lina's clan?
My last question (For now) is this: Can whatever it is that makes Founders unable to have children be sidestepped via external gestation? Or in layman's terms, can science (IE: Jyrras) create a test tube baby using a Founder's and a regular cubi's DNA? *Frowns* Come to that, such a setup, should it be viable in the DMFA-verse, would make Jyrras very popular with many same-sex couples who want kids. L-sama knows, that kind of backing should be enough to keep the Creature Council from acting rashly when they find out about his two "Teenage Pregnancy" daughters. ...but that is plot bate for another day.
At any rate, I believe I have covered my bases as best as I can. However, if it turns out that I have overstepped the haze of speculation and stepped firmly into the relm of "Top Secret" Information, let me know and I shall do my best to vague up whatever needs work on.
Quote from: starcat5 on November 05, 2008, 02:28:19 PM
assuming that ... 2) Abel was metaphysically adopted by her, would any children he may or may not end up siring (ok, that is a real word, but was it the word I was TRYING to spell?) wind up being Fa'Lina's clan?
Abel's clan mark is now what it was during his youth. Whatever Fa'Lina may or may not have done in terms of adoption (and IIRC it says 'virtually adopted'), it hasn't affected his clanmark. If he were to sire a child with a Being (yes, 'siring' is the word you meant) I'd bet the child would have his clanmark, not Fa'Lina's.
If he had a child to a succubus, she'd have to be of an even less powerful clan, otherwise the child would have her (the hypothetical succubus') clanmark anyway.
QuoteMy last question (For now) is this: Can whatever it is that makes Founders unable to have children be sidestepped via external gestation?
I don't know about that, we don't know if it only affects female or male Founders, though my guess is it breaks both. For that matter, we don't know if you can have a male Founder. I assume you
can, (and I hope so, else it breaks a few of my stories).
I believe that the whole 'Cubification business (drafting ex-Beings etc in as new 'Cubi) comes into play as a means of extending the clan when children are, um, inconceivable.
Quote from: Tapewolf on November 05, 2008, 02:37:31 PM
Quote from: starcat5 on November 05, 2008, 02:28:19 PM
assuming that ... 2) Abel was metaphysically adopted by her, would any children he may or may not end up siring (ok, that is a real word, but was it the word I was TRYING to spell?) wind up being Fa'Lina's clan?
Abel's clan mark is now what it was during his youth. Whatever Fa'Lina may or may not have done in terms of adoption (and IIRC it says 'virtually adopted'), it hasn't affected his clanmark. If he were to sire a child with a Being (yes, 'siring' is the word you meant) I'd bet the child would have his clanmark, not Fa'Lina's.
If he had a child to a succubus, she'd have to be of an even less powerful clan, otherwise the child would have her (the hypothetical succubus') clanmark anyway.
QuoteMy last question (For now) is this: Can whatever it is that makes Founders unable to have children be sidestepped via external gestation?
I don't know about that, we don't know if it only affects female or male Founders, though my guess is it breaks both. For that matter, we don't know if you can have a male Founder. I assume you can, (and I hope so, else it breaks a few of my stories).
I believe that the whole 'Cubification business (drafting ex-Beings etc in as new 'Cubi) comes into play as a means of extending the clan when children are, um, inconceivable.
...you seem to be answering questions I never asked. That, or I didn't make myself clear.
Part the first: I was under the impression that cubi who married into a clan keep their old mark. It is simply the offspring who gets the new one. I could be wrong about this, though.
Part the second: While relevant to my question, your second comment is more of a side issue, really. Even if Founders are in the same boat as the Undead, the process of making a
clone test tube baby using a non-standard DNA source (say, a blood sample or the like) would not be effected.
Part the third: :wtf Since when was that cannon? I just thought the "Made Cubi" thing was something everyone was saying Ink could do as sort of a lark. If Amber has indeed stated this as fact, would you mind supplying a link to said post?
Quote from: starcat5 on November 05, 2008, 03:09:48 PM
...you seem to be answering questions I never asked. That, or I didn't make myself clear.
Both, plus there was an enormous amount of text and I was in a hurry :P
QuotePart the third: wtf Since when was that cannon? I just thought the "Made Cubi" thing was something everyone was saying Ink could do as sort of a lark. If Amber has indeed stated this as fact, would you mind supplying a link to said post?
http://nice.llearch.net/dmfa_forum1871.htm#ref326
Quote from: Tapewolf on November 05, 2008, 03:33:38 PM
Quote from: starcat5 on November 05, 2008, 03:09:48 PM
...you seem to be answering questions I never asked. That, or I didn't make myself clear.
Both, plus there was an enormous amount of text and I was in a hurry :P
QuotePart the third: wtf Since when was that cannon? I just thought the "Made Cubi" thing was something everyone was saying Ink could do as sort of a lark. If Amber has indeed stated this as fact, would you mind supplying a link to said post?
http://nice.llearch.net/dmfa_forum1871.htm#ref326
Part the first: Sorry about the wall of text. I tend to over explain myself. Ask me for black or white and I'll give you shades of gray. Teachers hated my attempts to write essays for yes or no questions. I blame Asperger's Syndrome. :mowwink
Part the second: Thanks. I had forgotten that one.
Quote from: Tapewolf on November 05, 2008, 03:33:38 PM
Quote from: starcat5 on November 05, 2008, 03:09:48 PM
...you seem to be answering questions I never asked. That, or I didn't make myself clear.
Both, plus there was an enormous amount of text and I was in a hurry :P
QuotePart the third: wtf Since when was that cannon? I just thought the "Made Cubi" thing was something everyone was saying Ink could do as sort of a lark. If Amber has indeed stated this as fact, would you mind supplying a link to said post?
http://nice.llearch.net/dmfa_forum1871.htm#ref326
So much knowledge........And I didn't even know what questions to ask, let alone the answers. Sometimes it's almost depressing how much I have been missing............. To make a world so complete, and still insist it's a comedy. *chuckles*
please note that there is no chance of Amber weighing in, as she is on forum hiatus. I didn't want you hoping to hear from her, and being disappointed.
Quote from: starcat5 on November 05, 2008, 02:28:19 PM
Of course, that was before we found out that Tri-Wings and Founders were the exact same thing. (Personally, I didn't find THAT out until Amber said so in this very thread. I knew that some Founders were Tri-Wings, but presumed that not all Tri-Wings were Founders, and vise versa. I know better now.)
As far as I know a cubi can be Tri-Wing without being a Founder. Where are you getting this information that says otherwise?
Quote from: Damaris on November 05, 2008, 06:26:48 PM
please note that there is no chance of Amber weighing in, as she is on forum hiatus. I didn't want you hoping to hear from her, and being disappointed.
Oh no, I fully realize that.
Plus the two times I did ask questions I almost had Fluffy sicced on me. *cowers at that recollection* I was more simply musing about how, despite all of the creator's protestations that this is simply a joke world, created to make funny stories about talking animals, it's remarkably complete, with actual sociologies. It's really, really impressive. That being said, it itches me somewhere I can't quite scratch to be ignorant. I fully understand that Amber has no compunction (or even a pressing reason. Light, I, and I'm sure others keep reading because there
are unanswered questions) to inform me. I was just lamenting my ignorance.
Amber may be on forum hiatus, but keep an eye out for Fluffy :mowhappy
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Quote from: AmigaDragon on November 05, 2008, 07:39:32 PM
Amber may be on forum hiatus, but keep an eye out for Fluffy :mowhappy
*a blood curtling scream echos from around down the hall*
Quote from: Damaris on November 05, 2008, 06:26:48 PM
please note that there is no chance of Amber weighing in, as she is on forum hiatus. I didn't want you hoping to hear from her, and being disappointed.
...ah, [Censored]! *Begins smacking his head against a wall*
Quote from: Damaris on November 05, 2008, 06:26:48 PM
please note that there is no chance of Amber weighing in, as she is on forum hiatus. I didn't want you hoping to hear from her, and being disappointed.
obviously she hasn't the mana right now to cast "Circle of Protection: Stupid" right now, no? :U
Ok this is way of topic but why are there fox anthros dressed as Imperial Guard Commissars and a Gray knight Inquisitor? I just got to know if i missed som anthro 40K rp or comic some where?
PS PLZ don't smite me
Quote from: GundamDragon on November 06, 2008, 02:57:10 AM
Ok this is way of topic but why are there fox anthros dressed as Imperial Guard Commissars and a Gray knight Inquisitor? I just got to know if i missed som anthro 40K rp or comic some where?
It's just a meme. Blame Ren for it :3
FYI, mine is a wolf, Keaton's a jackal and Ren's own avatar is a generic feline.
Yeah, it's Ren's fault.
Here (http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php/topic,4158.msg225512.html#msg225512), here (http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php/topic,4158.msg225536.html#msg225536), here (http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php/topic,4158.msg228218.html#msg228218), and here (http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php/topic,4158.msg242185.html#msg242185).
OK thanks that had me a bit confused i play 40K SpaceMariens and Guard so i had to ask.
Quote from: GundamDragon on November 06, 2008, 02:57:10 AM
Ok this is way of topic but why are there fox anthros dressed as Imperial Guard Commissars and a Gray knight Inquisitor? I just got to know if i missed som anthro 40K rp or comic some where?
PS PLZ don't smite me
You raaaaaaaaaaaang? :3
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on November 06, 2008, 08:00:42 AM
Quote from: GundamDragon on November 06, 2008, 02:57:10 AM
Ok this is way of topic but why are there fox anthros dressed as Imperial Guard Commissars and a Gray knight Inquisitor? I just got to know if i missed som anthro 40K rp or comic some where?
PS PLZ don't smite me
You raaaaaaaaaaaang? :3
Um........... how many ppl have 40K looking anthros and can the guy that maded them do Zeon uniforms?
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on November 06, 2008, 08:00:42 AM
Quote from: GundamDragon on November 06, 2008, 02:57:10 AM
Ok this is way of topic but why are there fox anthros dressed as Imperial Guard Commissars and a Gray knight Inquisitor? I just got to know if i missed som anthro 40K rp or comic some where?
PS PLZ don't smite me
You raaaaaaaaaaaang? :3
*makes a Lurch like grumbling sound*
What was the original topic?
I forget...........
You were all discussing clan flounders and stuff. Which was kinda my intention when I made this thread... to turn into a big discussion on it.
Its always the intention. Shame it rarely turns out that way.