I have no idea how often this happens to me... :<
I also really like how Fi's eyes expresses his emotions perfectly. :goamber
can't say it happens to me a lot.
Quote from: Darkdragon on September 07, 2008, 10:06:51 PM
I also really like how Fi's eyes expresses his emotions perfectly. :goamber
I agree. And with expressions that involve Fi, I think it's pretty cute :giggle
i find it ironic that fi is so dumb he manages to on accident achive a very forceful yet subtle commentary on the contradictions of an adventurer
I don't know, Fi kinda looks like he's wearing sunglasses in the last pannel.
I also fail to see how this is a dumb statement, Fi is making a valid argument based on his limited view of the world.
Quote from: GabrielsThoughts on September 07, 2008, 10:33:50 PM
I don't know, Fi kinda looks like he's wearing sunglasses in the last pannel.
I also fail to see how this is a dumb statement, Fi is making a valid argument based on his limited view of the world.
Agreed, on both accounts. And sure warp-aci may not be the smartest creatures but I don't see that as any reason to call them dumb, even if Brunhidden was just talking about Fi. Also I think warp-aci are cute, as stated above, and i want to :hug them. And they're also probably smarter than they may seem at first glance, despite their immense curiosity which I'm sure has wound up gotten at least a few of them "killed". But whether they can actually die or not is still unknown, guess we'll just have to wait on Amber to tell us.
Quote from: Dagardo on September 07, 2008, 10:47:16 PM
But whether they can actually die or not is still unknown, guess we'll just have to wait on Amber to tell us.
Actually, there's some information about the warp-aci in the demo 101... It says their bodies would die, but their essence would remain in this world until their owner dies and then it would return to their own plane (warp-aci are summoned from a different plane)
Anyway... Justice... Revenge... pretty much the same :rolleyes
Quote from: Lowde on September 07, 2008, 11:08:12 PM
Quote from: Dagardo on September 07, 2008, 10:47:16 PM
But whether they can actually die or not is still unknown, guess we'll just have to wait on Amber to tell us.
Actually, there's some information about the warp-aci in the demo 101... It says their bodies would die, but their essence would remain in this world until their owner dies and then it would return to their own plane (warp-aci are summoned from a different plane)
Anyway... Justice... Revenge... pretty much the same :rolleyes
Oh, thank you, I dont read the demonology honestly, but having you're essence linger in this dimension sound like it could suck, since mostly, warp-aci are summoned by 'cubi, and 'cubi, as we all *should* know cubi
can live for extremely long times.
here (http://www.missmab.com/Demo/aci.php) it is if you want to check it personally... On a second reading, it says it's a theory, but it's not a sure thing
I'm interested in knowing of why Dan can not bring DP to court. DP did multiple count of kidnapping, has and will perform various types of dark pagen rituals which would most likely be outlaw.
On his third time DP kidnap a princess and and terroize her country at very least Dan could have send him to jail (or dungen) over there.
Quote from: demecowen on September 08, 2008, 12:01:27 AM
I'm interested in knowing of why Dan can not bring DP to court. DP did multiple count of kidnapping, has and will perform various types of dark pagen rituals which would most likely be outlaw.
On his third time DP kidnap a princess and and terroize her country at very least Dan could have send him to jail (or dungen) over there.
My guess is that any court just wouldn't hold him accountable, or since each "criminal in question" is judged by a member of their own race they may not hold him accountable because he is the only member of his own race. Course its just a guess, like most everything else on this board is 'till its either approved or disapproved.
It is also highly possible due to hubris of specific races to beings another member of DP's race (I'm guessing demon) would find such actions are "perfectly within reason".
Quote from: Dagardo on September 08, 2008, 12:14:50 AM
Quote from: demecowen on September 08, 2008, 12:01:27 AM
I'm interested in knowing of why Dan can not bring DP to court. DP did multiple count of kidnapping, has and will perform various types of dark pagen rituals which would most likely be outlaw.
On his third time DP kidnap a princess and and terroize her country at very least Dan could have send him to jail (or dungen) over there.
My guess is that any court just wouldn't hold him accountable, or since each "criminal in question" is judged by a member of their own race they may not hold him accountable because he is the only member of his own race. Course its just a guess, like most everything else on this board is 'till its either approved or disapproved.
It's because since every creature or being is judged only by another member of his or her own species, then there's certain crimes that are punished with different severity depending to which race you belong... And since DP is a demon (and not the only one, btw), he would be judged by another demon, who have quite a maquiavelic way of understanding their pursuit of power
Quote from: Lowde on September 08, 2008, 02:48:13 AM
Quote from: Dagardo on September 08, 2008, 12:14:50 AM
Quote from: demecowen on September 08, 2008, 12:01:27 AM
I'm interested in knowing of why Dan can not bring DP to court. DP did multiple count of kidnapping, has and will perform various types of dark pagen rituals which would most likely be outlaw.
On his third time DP kidnap a princess and and terroize her country at very least Dan could have send him to jail (or dungen) over there.
My guess is that any court just wouldn't hold him accountable, or since each "criminal in question" is judged by a member of their own race they may not hold him accountable because he is the only member of his own race. Course its just a guess, like most everything else on this board is 'till its either approved or disapproved.
It's because since every creature or being is judged only by another member of his or her own species, then there's certain crimes that are punished with different severity depending to which race you belong... And since DP is a demon (and not the only one, btw), he would be judged by another demon, who have quite a maquiavelic way of understanding their pursuit of power
Oh yeah, for some reason the fact that he was a daemon escaped my mind, thanks for reminding me. :)
You know, i'm fairly sure "Avengeance" is not a word.
Wait, Dictionary.com corrects me, is -is- a word, it's just that nobody ever uses it because it sounds silly and means exactly the same thing as Vengeance.
I vaguely remember hearing the line "I am Back with Avengance!" from some movie or somethin' but I cant recall where, and again I will state for like the 4th time Warp-aci are friggin cute and i want to :hug them. :)
Quote from: Dagardo on September 08, 2008, 05:58:16 AM
I vaguely remember hearing the line "I am Back with Avengance!" from some movie or somethin' but I cant recall where, and again I will state for like the 4th time Warp-aci are friggin cute and i want to :hug them. :)
I should think it was actually "Back with A Vengeance"
Ps. Personally, I Think a Being/Creature should be judged by the Creatures/Beings He/She/It had most wronged, but that would make too much sense...
I like Dan a lot more now.
*Charline de Lyon meh* I like Dan a lot less. There IS a place for vengeance! Sheesh, afraid to kill someone. What a wuss! He's helpless. If he's unwilling to kill those who'd happily kill him, he's already lost. >:3
Quote from: Alondro on September 08, 2008, 08:10:28 AM
Sheesh, afraid to kill someone. What a wuss! He's helpless. If he's unwilling to kill those who'd happily kill him, he's already lost. >:3
Oh, he'll do it all right, just reluctantly. For which I applaud him as it makes him somewhat more noble than a simple thug.
And recall, he does "kill" (albiet temporarily) DP in their fight that we see early on in the strip. (Too lazy to run down the exact number, but in 858, we see that the body is missing from the grave, a pretty good implication that DP was indeed slain and not just defeated)
Quote from: Tapewolf on September 08, 2008, 08:16:31 AM
Oh, he'll do it all right, just reluctantly. For which I applaud him as it makes him somewhat more noble than a simple thug.
Quoted For Truth. That's exactly why my respect for Dan increased. Prior to this comic I kind of thought of him more as a thug and the typical hack-and-slash Adventurer.
I kinda thought that was the way Dan was in the first place. The way I see it you have two different faces, one for your close friends (Which when Dan is around his friends he seems more of the noble type) and one for those you want to impress (Like barmaids and the like).
I've actually lost a bit of respect for Dan. He's coming across as wishy-washy to me. He either needs to stand firm in the choice of doing what he needs to do, or stand firm in finding another way. Saying I'll do it, but I don't want to is a cop out to me.
Seems like a big mess to clean up
Quote from: Aurawyn on September 08, 2008, 07:09:43 AM
Ps. Personally, I Think a Being/Creature should be judged by the Creatures/Beings He/She/It had most wronged, but that would make too much sense...
Are you kidding? That's just swapping one prejudice for another.
Quote from: Mowser on September 08, 2008, 10:16:24 AM
I've actually lost a bit of respect for Dan. He's coming across as wishy-washy to me. He either needs to stand firm in the choice of doing what he needs to do, or stand firm in finding another way. Saying I'll do it, but I don't want to is a cop out to me.
Because what we need to do and what we want to do should always be the exact same?
Quote from: GabrielsThoughts on September 07, 2008, 10:33:50 PM
I don't know, Fi kinda looks like he's wearing sunglasses in the last panel.
Actually it reminds me of the Oracle in SSDD.
Quote from: Sofox on September 08, 2008, 11:20:50 AM
Because what we need to do and what we want to do should always be the exact same?
All I'm saying is be resolute a bit. If he really doesn't want to do it, then he should find another way. Or if there is no other way then he needs to steel himself to it and stop complaining. It's also an easy way to blame things on others/something else if it doesn't go the way he hopes it did because he didn't think it through well enough, "Well, you can't blame me, I didn't want to do it in the first place!".
Quote from: Dagardo on September 08, 2008, 12:14:50 AM
My guess is that any court just wouldn't hold him accountable, or since each "criminal in question" is judged by a member of their own race they may not hold him accountable because he is the only member of his own race.
Since when is DP the only Deamon Pegusus? There are bound to be others.
Dan, like any other adventurer, thinks he's always on the good side... And therefore slaying evil guys isn't vengeance, it's duty... justice. I bet they even teach them something like that in the adventuring school: "you never do evil things... slaying evil for personal reasons isn't evil... it's your duty"... Yeah right (sarcasm)
Everyone has this feeling of disillusionment at some point in Adventuring School, but it all goes away when the students remember that they get paid for serving "justice."
Quote from: VSMIT on September 08, 2008, 12:37:26 PM
Everyone has this feeling of disillusionment at some point in Adventuring School, but it all goes away when the students remember that they get paid for serving "justice."
Oooh, money makes everything better :D
Quote from: VSMIT on September 08, 2008, 12:37:26 PM
Everyone has this feeling of disillusionment at some point in Adventuring School, but it all goes away when the students remember that they get paid for serving "justice."
Funnily enough, if - in the Ultima games - you select only the most hateful, vicious and self-centred answers to the character generator's questions (e.g. killing a fugitive you believe to be innocent, causing diplomatic incidents, stealing the merchant's gold and so forth) 'justice' is the trait you end up with.
Getting back to the strip it is, IMHO, a very tricky situation. Though if Fi convinces Dan that he is evil for going around killing people, it might make it easier for him to attend SAIA >:3
Or it may just push him over the edge, since he really doesn't want to be a Cubi, after all.
There is a huge difference between what Dan and other evil people do. Dan, even if for other more personal reasons, stops the senseless murder and enslavement of millions of people. I would even be willing to bet that's why he became an adventurer. You can't deny that he is way more justified than any villain.
Though Fi is getting Dan's ideas right, in essence, there are a few things that don't match up.
First, he says "saving your own kind." Dan isn't just saving beings (in the story his own kind is a being)- but every creature that DP would attack (dragons, mythos, undead, so forth.) But I guess that's a minor detail.
But the "kill them before they kill you". I think the diffrence between a typical demon philosophy and an adventurer is the Adventurer waits for somebody to prove they are out to hurt others. A demon, it seems, will attack anything they see as a threat- even if it isn't one.
But most of all, Fi's using words with negative connatation. Litterally, they mean the same thing- but the emotions behind them (or the intent) is more spiteful.
I like Dan more now, knowing that he really dosn't want to go and chop off the heads of anything diffrent than him. But he does seem like he needs to come to terms with, even though his slaying is justified and the right thing to do, it is indeed Killing.
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on September 08, 2008, 09:39:08 AM
Quote from: Tapewolf on September 08, 2008, 08:16:31 AM
Oh, he'll do it all right, just reluctantly. For which I applaud him as it makes him somewhat more noble than a simple thug.
Quoted For Truth. That's exactly why my respect for Dan increased. Prior to this comic I kind of thought of him more as a thug and the typical hack-and-slash Adventurer.
I'm a hack-and-slash (and soul-nom-nom) Cubi! I respect the same character in the Adventurers who try to kill me... even though they never stand a chance in hell. >:3
Quote from: Alondro on September 08, 2008, 09:08:32 PM
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on September 08, 2008, 09:39:08 AM
Quote from: Tapewolf on September 08, 2008, 08:16:31 AM
Oh, he'll do it all right, just reluctantly. For which I applaud him as it makes him somewhat more noble than a simple thug.
Quoted For Truth. That's exactly why my respect for Dan increased. Prior to this comic I kind of thought of him more as a thug and the typical hack-and-slash Adventurer.
I'm a hack-and-slash (and soul-nom-nom) Cubi! I respect the same character in the Adventurers who try to kill me... even though they never stand a chance in hell. >:3
Yeah but sooner or later you'll get cocky and screw up, and then you'll be dead, cause after all there is
no such thing as unbeatable. Just like nothing is impossible, only improbable.
Quote from: Lowde on September 08, 2008, 02:48:13 AM
It's because since every creature or being is judged only by another member of his or her own species, then there's certain crimes that are punished with different severity depending to which race you belong... And since DP is a demon (and not the only one, btw), he would be judged by another demon, who have quite a maquiavelic way of understanding their pursuit of power.
Then really now, why not just have a different race altogether be a single judge? Like if a Demon kills a Being, why not just have one, Incubus judge?
Quote from: Minishear on September 08, 2008, 11:44:58 PM
Quote from: Lowde on September 08, 2008, 02:48:13 AM
It's because since every creature or being is judged only by another member of his or her own species, then there's certain crimes that are punished with different severity depending to which race you belong... And since DP is a demon (and not the only one, btw), he would be judged by another demon, who have quite a maquiavelic way of understanding their pursuit of power.
Then really now, why not just have a different race altogether be a single judge? Like if a Demon kills a Being, why not just have one, Incubus judge?
I ditto the thought. Although for it to work one that didn't judge based on personal preferences would have to be picked. And now that I think about it, the court system if furrae seems kinda frigged up. Also, whats a hyperbole? And Minishear I steal you're cookie :mowcookie
Quote from: Dagardo on September 08, 2008, 11:49:57 PM
Also, whats a hyperbole?
Glad you asked. A hyperbole is an exaggeration to make a point, usually to emphasize something. What I'm basically saying in fancy literary-talk is how Fi takes Dan's views and puts it in an extreme viewpoint.
Quote from: Darkdragon on September 09, 2008, 02:14:30 AM
Quote from: Dagardo on September 08, 2008, 11:49:57 PM
Also, whats a hyperbole?
Glad you asked. A hyperbole is an exaggeration to make a point, usually to emphasize something. What I'm basically saying in fancy literary-talk is how Fi takes Dan's views and puts it in an extreme viewpoint.
Thank you kindly. And for some reason I feel like dancing. :boogie
Quote from: Lucheek on September 08, 2008, 04:21:46 PM
I like Dan more now, knowing that he really dosn't want to go and chop off the heads of anything diffrent than him. But he does seem like he needs to come to terms with, even though his slaying is justified and the right thing to do, it is indeed Killing.
I wonder whether that's one of the reasons he gave it up.
Yeah, but Dan does kinda need to realize that sooner or later we all gotta do stuff we don't want to.
Quote from: Dagardo on September 08, 2008, 11:49:57 PM
Quote from: Minishear on September 08, 2008, 11:44:58 PM
Quote from: Lowde on September 08, 2008, 02:48:13 AM
It's because since every creature or being is judged only by another member of his or her own species, then there's certain crimes that are punished with different severity depending to which race you belong... And since DP is a demon (and not the only one, btw), he would be judged by another demon, who have quite a maquiavelic way of understanding their pursuit of power.
Then really now, why not just have a different race altogether be a single judge? Like if a Demon kills a Being, why not just have one, Incubus judge?
I ditto the thought. Although for it to work one that didn't judge based on personal preferences would have to be picked. And now that I think about it, the court system if furrae seems kinda frigged up. Also, whats a hyperbole? And Minishear I steal you're cookie :mowcookie
Well if you think about it, in a world where there are so many races with so many different views it would be difficult to make up a fair court system. I think all the judges should have some kind of magic removal of racial discrimination and the jury should consist of multiple races. Also they would need heavily armed and trained guards to contain the jury's battles.