Well since human is a species I would be human. For one humans are extremely violent, two humans have awesome weapons technology, we burn cities down rather than bother occupying them, we are merciless, cruel, feared in DMFA apparently, everything I love about humanity is why I would stick with it: Mess with humans and your planet gets nuked till it turns to glass. Also it would be more cool to be in a world of aliens as a human that one of them which would make things rather boring.
One comment though as to a race of absolute no: Cubi. I would be demon over cubi anyday, cubi are 100% evil to the core.
Quote from: Vekar on July 23, 2008, 09:32:00 PM
humans are extremely violent, two humans have awesome weapons technology, we burn cities down rather than bother occupying them, we are merciless, cruel, feared in DMFA apparently, everything I love about humanity is why I would stick with it: Mess with humans and your planet gets nuked till it turns to glass.
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I would be demon over cubi anyday, cubi are 100% evil to the core.
...as, apparently, are humans.
Quote from: Meany on July 24, 2008, 02:43:25 AM
Race: Demon. *killed by the cliche* :B
Species: House mouse.
It may be because that it's 1:31 am, but I haven't seen that many demons. Power, longevity, the constant chance that you may not live to see tomorrow; all green in my book.
Yes, IMHO Demons are under-rated. More fan-made demon characters would be interesting to see.
Tapewolf: Human evil is more fun though. We corner the market when it comes to finding new ways to torture, burn, rape, murder, destroy and all around blow the galaxy and multiverse to smithereens just for the sake of doing it.
Humans though unlike cubi can be very good and compasionate as well. Thats why I still pick humans over the others: Fear factor.
Also because we have nukes that take out massive swaths of continents now.
Humans rock! :boogie 8)
Quote from: Vekar on July 24, 2008, 04:42:46 PM
Humans though unlike cubi can be very good and compasionate as well.
I don't quite follow how you arrived at 'Cubi-are-always-evil and 'Cubi-are-not-capable-of-compassion.
'Cubi as a whole seem to be arrogant, but then so are humans. And arrogance doesn't rule out positive traits.
While Being-raised 'Cubi such as Dan and Abel are liable to have a far milder outlook than 'Cubi raised wholly among other 'Cubi, even the latter seem to be more inclined to ignore Beings and/or treat them with contempt than to actively commit acts of wanton destruction as per your human example. (There are of course, exceptions)
**EDIT**
I can think of at least two occasions Abel has arguably demonstrated compassion:
1. When Dr. Ink was testing Dan
2. Rescuing Jyrras from Nirfy. He later claimed he was doing it as a favour for Dan, but I'm not convinced that was his sole motive.
Aaaall cubi are totally bad! Just look at Dan - those evil eyes... >pff< :giggle haunting you in the dark... >pfch< :lol hihihehehahaha :P
Yeah. Right. Can totally see that. :rolleyes
I think you can't judge a species as a whole.
Ok, given... maybe their behavior is largely disadvantageous in your eyes... but that doesn't mean they're inherently bad.
There's what Abel said here. (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_658.php) Most Cubi are jerks because of their upbringing, traditions, or simply because they chose to be jerks, although there are exceptions. I imagine that Tape is right in that the primary examples exist in Being-raised Cubi.
However, jerks or not, it probably doesn't mean that all Cubi are heartless monsters devoid of empathy or compassion. Even the jerks probably have their good moments.
Oh hey, look, irony. The person whose primary character is a dangerous and murderous soul-stealer is preaching about Cubi diversity. lolwut.
~Keaton the Black Jackal
Cubi, all evil? Heck no. What are you, crazy? Thats just silly.
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on July 24, 2008, 05:48:02 PM
Oh hey, look, irony. The person whose primary character is a dangerous and murderous soul-stealer is preaching about Cubi diversity. lolwut.
~Keaton the Black Jackal
yet you do it with style. :3
Okay, if memory serves me correctly weren't human extinct? Before you flame me the human Merlitz found was from a diffrent universe or something.
I don't know if they're extinct... Wildy is a human-fan, but then I guess there are dinosaur fans here, so maybe? I don't recall them being so, though.
I think I'd have to go with angel for myself, personally. Angel tigress, maybe? White fur with light blue stripes.
But I always have loved them dragons. Fire breath, near-impenetrable scales, wings plus outstanding physical strength? Not to mention the natural affinity for magic and shape-shifting in Furrae. My two standard avatars are dragon girls... One's being-esque form would just be a more humanoid dragon. One of those "guardian of the planet" types as mentioned in the 101. The other - my current namesake and picture - would be a panda with copper-colored markings instead of black in her being-esque form. She's a blacksmith. :p
/endblather
Quote from: Liwah Forgemaiden on July 24, 2008, 10:24:32 PM
I don't know if they're extinct... Wildy is a human-fan, but then I guess there are dinosaur fans here, so maybe? I don't recall them being so, though.
http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_056.php It clearly states here they are. Not trying to be a butt just saying facts.
One problem: After Merlitz helped him out of that situation he was sent for a dimensional gate and left back to his world. That would mean at one point humans would have been spread out over the multiverse and simply died off on other planets and dominated others.
I generalize, the actions of a few speak for the whole and the fact it has only displayed one "cubi" as semi-good (Dan) who is in fact 50% NOT Cubi makes a statement. Also the fact when given a choice they choose evil. Thus if given the chance I would exterminate their species for the betterment of all.
I do judge, you can not imagine how much I judge others. In a second at that. No time for sympathy. Gotta move or die.
Just becaue one species MAY act good towards itself and not others does not make them good, kind of like saying Hitler was a great man at times because he did solve Germanies problems in economy. Yeah right. Cubi history hints throughout the story speaks for itself.
I still pick humans no matter what, especially after seeing that one human makes me feel even better, his clothing was that of the 21st century Earth. Meaning: nukes. Guns. Tanks. Bombers. Jets. Yesssssssss!
Oh here is another trait of humanity: Masters of invention. In a moment as nessesity demands humans come up with anything to save themselves. Also humans are insane at times in war, throwing tens of millions of soldiers at an enemy KNOWING they will fail but knowing it will buy them some time to complete their objectives.
Keep your swords and magic, all I need is a human with a good gun or daisy cutter. Thats it. End of battle.
Yes but he is of "21ts century earth" not furrae. Unless it's in the species list we can't count it in this discussion.
Actually humans ARE included if you look at the tabs, just not one that is filled out yet like so many others. Also Cubi are not of Furrae, they are of another dimension as well remember? Or at least they are as I read it, thus they use Warp-Aci to get around.
Quote from: silentassassin on July 24, 2008, 11:08:51 PM
Quote from: Liwah Forgemaiden on July 24, 2008, 10:24:32 PM
I don't know if they're extinct... Wildy is a human-fan, but then I guess there are dinosaur fans here, so maybe? I don't recall them being so, though.
http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_056.php It clearly states here they are. Not trying to be a butt just saying facts.
and yet
http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_842.php
That said, you don't know furrae like amber would, don't go on by the word of a single comic that's 8 years old when there's overwhelming information to the contrary, such as weres, for example.
Okay creatures that inhabit the world dan lives on. That's the new rule.
Quote from: silentassassin on July 25, 2008, 01:06:57 AM
Okay creatures that inhabit the world dan lives on. That's the new rule.
well, how do you know it's not Furrae?
i hate to burst your bubble, but since Weres have a human form also, that means humans must also exist in some capacity on furrae, therefore your griping is relatively moot.
That said, you don't make the rules 'round here, and neither do i.
also: you state your opinions as if they're fact, the problem with that is that you DON'T know something we don't, as the truth behind human existence on Furrae is only really something Amber herself would know for actual fact. So please, don't pretend to know more than amber based on one single comic page.
Also, in this world there were a lot of so called "mythic" creatures thought to be extinct, only to turn up elsewhere.
Quote from: Vekar on July 24, 2008, 11:46:14 PM
I generalize, the actions of a few speak for the whole and the fact it has only displayed one "cubi" as semi-good (Dan) who is in fact 50% NOT Cubi makes a statement. Also the fact when given a choice they choose evil. Thus if given the chance I would exterminate their species for the betterment of all.
With 'Cubi, it's all or nothing. Dan is 100% 'Cubi, but he was brought up to think he was a Being, as with Abel. If/when Dan has kids, I could well imagine him impressing on his offspring that Beings are people and deserve respect.
As before, I apply your reasoning to humanity and reach the same conclusion that you do for 'Cubi >:3
QuoteJust becaue one species MAY act good towards itself and not others does not make them good, kind of like saying Hitler was a great man at times because he did solve Germanies problems in economy. Yeah right. Cubi history hints throughout the story speaks for itself.
So does Angel history, Demon history, Fae history... it's all there in the Demonology.
QuoteI still pick humans no matter what, especially after seeing that one human makes me feel even better, his clothing was that of the 21st century Earth. Meaning: nukes. Guns. Tanks. Bombers. Jets. Yesssssssss!
'Cubi are able to create base materials magically. A 'Cubi who had nothing to lose could quite easily create a sufficient quantity of plutonium :U
QuoteOh here is another trait of humanity: Masters of invention. In a moment as nessesity demands humans come up with anything to save themselves. Also humans are insane at times in war, throwing tens of millions of soldiers at an enemy KNOWING they will fail but knowing it will buy them some time to complete their objectives.
Personally I'm not convinced that's a good trait. In the long run it could well result in humanity exterminating itself.
Quote from: Tapewolf on July 25, 2008, 04:20:02 AM
QuoteOh here is another trait of humanity: Masters of invention. In a moment as nessesity demands humans come up with anything to save themselves. Also humans are insane at times in war, throwing tens of millions of soldiers at an enemy KNOWING they will fail but knowing it will buy them some time to complete their objectives.
Personally I'm not convinced that's a good trait. In the long run it could well result in humanity exterminating itself.
Large Hadron Collider gets fired soon! :D
Quote from: Tikki on July 25, 2008, 04:32:28 AM
Large Hadron Collider gets fired soon! :D
I hate to break it to you, but it's not as powerful as the cosmic rays that have been bombarding Earth since it existed :3
Quote from: Vekar on July 24, 2008, 11:46:14 PMKeep your swords and magic, all I need is a human with a good gun or daisy cutter. Thats it. End of battle.
Powerful creatures can blow up like an atomic bomb and survive #404 (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_404.php) so I don't see how a human with a gun and no magical knowledge is at advantage
Tapewolf your reasoning is MUTE! Cubi are an evil race, pure evil. Plain and simple. One or two good ones out of an entire race hardly makes them "good once in a while" even in the slightest sense.
Go ahead, have your Cubi make plutonium, last time I checked they were so dumb technilogically they have no clue about weapons and modern warfare. Humans own Cubi on that level. Ambers history even remarked how the Furrae and other dimensonial races never bothered with technology because they prefered magics. They turned a blind eye, and your Cubi has NO CLUE what plutonium is, let alone how to make it.
As for my last trait, oh you would be amazed how that is a good trait. It proves that in times of need humans will do WHATEVER they have to do, and no matter how many must die, they will do it in order to WIN! That is what matters at the end of the day in war, WINNING! If you loose your DEAD. I would gladly loose 50 million in order to keep the over 6 billion from being wiped out.
Jack: If Mab really HAD blown up like an atomic bomb NO ONE would have been there to talk about it. Also the fact the afterpictures still had trees and the like shows it was NOT atomic. Amber used that to give the idea of a massive explosion, however it was non-nuclear. It only blew up the glen not the surrounding area otherwise Lost Lake would be a big freaking hole in the ground. Also a nuclear blast leaves radiation that would have killed everyone.
Lets think about it first, almost every human on Earth from myth and fantasy knows a weee bit about magic and what it does. So no one is dumb on that fact. I still say the gun will own the magical creatures, try and stop a bullet that came from 1.6 miles away and will hit before you even hear the sound 7 seconds AFTER the fact. That or a daisy cutter which will destroy well lets just say "everything but the fillings in their teeth."
Humans still rock and own.
Edit: Oh one last thing jack: What kind of creature would blown ITSELF UP using ITS OWN MAGIC! That is lunacy, of COURSE Mab and Pip survived, those are the last two in Furrae she would blow up even on accident.
Quote from: Vekar on July 25, 2008, 01:38:46 PM
Tapewolf your reasoning is MUTE!
I dunno, I heard it just fine. ;P
Just teasing man. We all know what you mean. :D
Nuclear Bomb vs Magic is really an open question. On the one hand, it's a really, really big boom, bigger than anything magic can do.
On the other hand, if you're immune to fire and sonic, then a cure disease spell will take care of the radiation sickness, and you're good. Er, you might need 'cure blindness' too.
Magic doesn't necessarily do things as large or as powerful as technology can, but it does impossible things, like declare arbitrary absolutes according to the will of the mage, that can totally mess tech up.
Like in 'Grunts', where the recovered technology the orcs had was totally ripping through the fantasy knights and wizards, until one of them thought to use a 'fail weapons' cantrip.
I've always been of the mind that both technology and magic are of the same ilk. They are both limited by the imaginations of those creating and wielding them.
Ugh.
No offense, Vekar, but your argument is probably making me more adverse to DMFA-humans than impressed by them. So, no thanks, but I'll stick to the pure-evil-and-technologically-retarded race.
~Keaton the Black Jackal
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Alright, I'm not going to waste my time going on about this at any length. I'd like to actually get some sort of position to work off as well. So far, I have but one thing to say about most of what this thread has degenerated into...
(http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o314/Gaazmazk/Ohwow.gif)
Quote from: Vekar on July 25, 2008, 01:38:46 PM
Tapewolf your reasoning is MUTE! Cubi are an evil race, pure evil. Plain and simple. One or two good ones out of an entire race hardly makes them "good once in a while" even in the slightest sense.
Convince me. You may be entirely right, but you haven't offered much in the way of proof so far, and let's be fair, we don't really
have enough information to make a judgement call like that. As Abel's Story progresses, we should hopefully have a clearer idea of what your regular 'Cubi is like.
QuoteGo ahead, have your Cubi make plutonium, last time I checked they were so dumb technilogically they have no clue about weapons and modern warfare. Humans own Cubi on that level. Ambers history even remarked how the Furrae and other dimensonial races never bothered with technology because they prefered magics. They turned a blind eye, and your Cubi has NO CLUE what plutonium is, let alone how to make it.
We'll leave aside that in present-day DMFA they have what appears to be a microprocessor-controlled coke machine in SAIA (574). The 'Cubi race has a history going back 100 millennia, and remarkable powers. They may, for example, be able to psychically observe the structure of the atom (as someone claimed to have done in the 1800s, though I'd have to find the reference). Either way, you would need to be able to assemble things at the atomic level in order to create gold. Someone would likely have created heavier elements by mistake or during experimentation. They may not have created much in the way of technological artifacts, but I would be very, very surprised if they didn't have some understanding of physics, since it will factor into magic at some point.
The other point is that they may have simply gone "Oh, that's interesting" and ignored it because they already have magical ways to achieve a blast on par with a high-yield fusion device.
QuoteHumans still rock and own.
Now this is starting to puzzle me. Is there a reason you're comparing Earth humans against 'Cubi on Furrae? It strikes me as a bit of an apples-oranges thing... wouldn't Beings against 'Cubi be a more sensible comparison? They are the human equivalents, after all. Or how about Beings vs Humans, if you're of that persuasion?
On a similar note, I still don't understand why you're picking on 'Cubi. Pretty much everything you've said against 'Cubi also applies to Demons, Angels, Fae, Dragons and so on. How about 'Humans vs Creatures-in-general'?
QuoteOh one last thing jack: What kind of creature would blown ITSELF UP using ITS OWN MAGIC!
A suicide bomber.
I hope I'm wrong, but your use of caps makes me think that you might be getting a little hot under the collar over this. Chill, dude. It's just a debate.
Quote from: Tapewolf on July 25, 2008, 02:23:57 PM
Quote from: Vekar on July 25, 2008, 01:38:46 PMOh one last thing jack: What kind of creature would blown ITSELF UP using ITS OWN MAGIC!
A suicide bomber.
Tape?
Thank you. XD
~Keaton the Black Jackal
Tape, you sound more like someone trying to escalate things than anyone with snide remarks. Using capitals is a quick way of highlighting a point. Take some college english classes and public speaking classes.
Abels father, Dans mother, Merlitz girlfriend, the home-ec teacher, Fa'Lina, oh heck any cubi Amber has introduced so far. They are all pure evil. As for demons, I have yet to remark on them, I hate Cubi more than demons. To me demons are a whelp race that can be delt with easily, Cubi though have a history of promotion and enforcement of evil if you consider the timelines given such as Abels and then Dans. Also the fact the Academy of SAIA teaches evil and has a torture department.
Also, it states in the info about the races, Cubi freaking suck at fighting. That is probably one reason they have not pushed boundaries very far. You can live a 100 millenia if you want but that will make you none the wiser.
Let us consider what a high yield nuke does on an energy level just by thinking back to the history books... Ok that will vaporize someone or something if they try and use that level of power. Even IF they buffer themselves there is radiation problems such as Gamma radiation which you DO NOT stop AT ALL! Then you have blindness, and the fact that todays nukes generate excess 30,000F heat at ground zero. So unless a Cubi can walk the surface of a sun... They die. So far the highest level of magic used is by the demon Dark Pegasus to turn Hannah to ash, we can do that easily. However a nuke VAPORIZES in less than a second everything in the first 2-5 miles. 10 miles out is incinerated, then another 30 for blast wake and after that you have radiation contamination and debris falling all over the place.
I consider FACT of humans and then what Amber gives us about the races in the demonology and general information of the races to create that conclusion.
The blowing of self up was a remark to someone else not you, but yes that is the point they forgot, a suicide bomber would but not a sane mage who is startled otherwise you would effectively wipe out all mages/wizards ecettera just by startling them with some little otomation.
Oh and your Cubi race is younger than just about any race in Furrae, go look at Demonology for Cubi, then look under HISTORY. Cubi are younglings. The only ones who might have a clue about atomic weapons would be Demons and Angels for the sake of argument.
Jackal: Sorry to burst your bubble about who we humans are but that is just historical fact. We are who we are: a race of violent psycopaths who enjoy the art of war and destruction more than anyone else ever concieved. I for one am proud of that fact because it makes humanity stronger and more powerful, give a unifying cause and you have a hoard of 6 billion ready to commit genocide to preserve humanity if it comes down to a "us or them" type situation. Humans are no push over and are NOT to be triffled with, that is another lesson of history. However humans do have a darn good culture, great technology and a future amoungst the stars and planets.
Proud to be human.
To Terrycloth: Cast it if you want, that is why every single soldier is issued a bayonet and multiple other weapons of various degrees of power and use. If one or more fail you just go down the list.
I would say the only highlight of magic I can ever see if fast healing (short of nanobot technology) and the ability to teleport (short of jumpgates and teleporters) from one place to another. However even they have shortfalls.
Next round of argument... Begin.
Someone is feeling wage here. Tewwible wage.
I'd say the underlying flaw in your arguments is a host of presuppositions, Vekar. That, and a damn over-the-top, preachy, blowhard tone.
To Stygian:
Rage? Nah. Pride? Yes. Pride is what I am speaking from right now, pride in the military advancements of humanity. I have made no assumptions or pressumptions about the world, I read through the history and background and this is my scientific logical conclussion.
Over the top? No. I just cite facts for you. Preachy? No. If stating fact makes me a preacher than I am honored to be preachy for stating facts. Blowhard? Nah, just look back to the last sentense. If you do not like what I say then you must not like science and historical fact about who we truely are, like it or not your human and I for one love that fact and would never trade that off for anything.
Now stop trying to goad me into a fight with your own pressumtious and insulting tone Stygian.
Quote from: Vekar on July 25, 2008, 05:40:42 PM
Tapewolf your reasoning is MUTE! Cubi are an evil race, pure evil. Plain and simple. One or two good ones out of an entire race hardly makes them "good once in a while" even in the slightest sense.
Pure(n.) - 1. Free of impurities, completely homogenous
"Once in a While" (phrase) - 1. An occasional occurence
Pure =/= Once in a while
Yes, I accept that you dislike the idea of cubi>human, and that you are quite proud of non-fictional human's ability to blow s**t up, however there is no need to start a long fight over the issue of truth vs. fiction. Also, while I am not a mod, I will point out that flaming people isn't a very good way to make friends of them, so I'd recommend that you calm down before posting again.
This is the kind of flaming I'm talking about, in case you were curious: "Now stop trying to goad me into a fight with your own pressumtious and insulting tone Stygian."
Quote from: Vekar on July 25, 2008, 05:40:42 PM
Jackal: Sorry to burst your bubble about who we humans are but that is just historical fact. We are who we are: a race of violent psycopaths who enjoy the art of war and destruction more than anyone else ever concieved. I for one am proud of that fact because it makes humanity stronger and more powerful, give a unifying cause and you have a hoard of 6 billion ready to commit genocide to preserve humanity if it comes down to a "us or them" type situation. Humans are no push over and are NOT to be triffled with, that is another lesson of history. However humans do have a darn good culture, great technology and a future amoungst the stars and planets.
Dude, I know what humans are. I am one after all. And personally, given the ingenuity, inventiveness, and adaptivity of the human race, realistically, I'd never want to be anything other than a human. So to an extent, I guess I have pride too - just for an entirely different reason.
However, I think that it's pretty ridiculous that you're proudly ranting about how human beings have committed just about every atrocity ever invented. Humans are responsible for horrific events in the history of the world, but that doesn't necessarily mean that, by and large, we encourage them. Only complete idiots do that.
Also, believe it or not, on the Internet, capitalization just leads people to believe that you're getting upset and frustrated, since it implies that you are shouting loudly. And abuse of caps lock is a pretty good way to get ridiculed on the Internet - but then again, this is coming from someone who uses them quite often
as a joke. Plus, it's pretty easy to assume that you're getting upset, seeing as you made that completely uncalled for "take some college English classes and public speaking classes" jab.
I'm going to scoot out of the topic now.
~Keaton the Black Jackal
Vekar, you're way too new to be breaking rules already. Take a chill pill, or I'll give you some time to think about ways to cool off.
Additionally, I swear to god, if several of you keep up the nitpicking in this thread, I'm Mining it. Locked. And the mods will mock you and your inability to post.
You're tacking these off as if they were items on a list. Were you in my position, you'd hear how you sound just like... let's see... A fourteen-year-old military fanatic who needs to cut down on the Pixie Sticks?
I'll give you my impression of people, of humans, as I have come to see them over time: A very eclectic, selfish bunch, who can be creative and clever at times, but in general need an instruction manual to hook up a bloody DVD, can't drive right, give voice to and do the most stupid of things when they have morality backing them or when they can't be held accountable, and who tend to follow the 'law of least resistance' at all times. The human innate biological strength is, and has always been, intelligence. And most people can't even handle that right.
Ignoring that we're discussing a fantasy world, I think the exact same can be said about Creatures though. The thing is just that they have more direct power to bring to bear. That's all there is to it.
But, I don't really need to refute your arguments. Your grammatical errors and your hostility alone are enough to irritate people. I don't think I could manage a better troll if I tried, actually. Though that does not seem to be the case, sadly. Short of a boot to the face, I don't think there would be anything crude or painful or effortless enough to shut you up. So I'll just tell you what I want said:
You are being an idiot. You deserve to, and probably do, suffer for it, though not enough. And you have no business talking down to people here, be it Keats or Tapes or anyone really.
Also, in addition, you have my vote for throwing this topic into the Mine by now.
well, several of you are being quite reasonable, and participating in a civil discussion. I don't want to punish you lot.
I was putting together a reply, but to be honest this discussion is becoming rather bitter so in the interests of keeping the peace I'm not going to post it.
One of my main arguments has always been was that condemning a whole race is a bad thing, and I'd like to extend that to this thread too.
In other words, if anything goes in the mine, could it be just the 'Cubi -> Humans part of the debate, and not the entire thread?
Yes, discussions got little too hot, better leave it to cool. I imagine that a few people jumped ship as soon as humans where mentioned (If I was the first one to use the H word, sorry)
heres how I calm down on a forum, I wright my angry post, braking any rules I want. Then I delete it. I get it out of my system, with no consequences of any sort. It's good for calming down, and if you want, you can go through it, select the arguments that break no rules, and are reasonable, and post those, so that you get in the good points, and don't irritate everyone else with the bad ones. Kk? Hope my idea helps!
@ Vekar:
You know on the internet, typing in ALL CAPS is commonly considered shouting.
That's why we have things like bold or italics or even underlined text here on the forum to highlight certain words.
Fa'Lina isn't evil when she cares for Abels well-being, is she now?
Being a world where humans aren't normally found, Furrae can not be compared 1:1 to our earth.
There isn't one dominant self-aware species on Furrae; but many (more or less) peacefully coexisting ones.
Tone down a bit on the "Hail Humans!" , k?
Also, in a world of magic, who tells you that technology works the way you're used to?
A fae might as well change your nuke-splosion into a shower of daisies with the flicker of their eyebrow, should they be so inclined.
When you ponder SciFi vs. Fantasy vs. RL, you simply can't insist on normal facts. SciFi and Fantasy lie outside that boundary.
One last thing. You shouldn't 'argue'. Discuss instead.
Thank you for your time.
Have a nice day.
*bows, waves byebye and wanders back to his fishing rod*
:dotdotdot
I'd like to hear more other people about what they would like to be on Furrae.
Gimme more of that.
Honestly I think we should stop discussing humans. This is a dmfa forum, not about anything but dmfa. And so far humans aren't a major part of dmfa and have only seen one for a brief arc.
Too true... so, I say we make a topic on the topic of our charicters interacting, and having brawls... we could call it... The Tavern... yes... I think I'll do that now... how would brawls work though... oh, who cares, I won't make it too complex...
Ok lets see who I start with in response...
Frag: Pure evil is metaphorical. One of the many intracacies of the english language.
Keaton: Someone jabs at me I jab back.
Damaris: Chill pill? How am I not calm? I am using logical conclusions and fact which I state once again. Also, chill out Stygian who tries to keep goading me at every turn. Do what you want, I do not care in the slightest, this is an ONLINE forum.
Stygian: keep on goading me kid not going to get you anywhere as you try and insult my intelligence. I stated fact which I state AGAIN for you. Also I have yet to talk down to anyone, I debate and argue, part of a discussion about who thinks what species is better and why then why others are not. Keep on goading me, it only shows your own childishness.
Tiger: I go for speed not nitpicking when it comes to grammar online, this is a forum not a political forum let alone a college class level discussion so I care little for such things. I go for speed as I said. As for Fa'Lina she is caring for another Cubi, not like she is actually caring in the slighest for someone of another species so I call that a major difference. An Aryan National will watch out for another Aryan National but not for a black man. I will continue to hail humanity.
Gamma: bah screw the warp-aci, cut out the middleman and use your own magic to get that satisfaction. Besides a volcano is quick, try putting them into space or teleport them beneath the ocean and watch them drown.
Silent: Yes but they are still on the list and I made my choice, funny how we wind up in these situation huh?
There. Responded to hopefully everyone in turn. Begin round two of flaming and hostility which started out as scientific FACT and historical FACT which I was calling out as reference.
Edit: Needed to add this part: I never joined to be liked whoever made that comment, I came here to make a statement as to what I would choose and I chose then the mudthrowing began. None the less, I dont give a darn what anyone thinks of me and never have. If we all cared what others thought of us we would all have heart attacks before age 10.
wow... way to ignore my post... you just irritated everyone else on this forum... in TURN!
also, read comic 524 here: http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_524.php it tells you that cubi are probably about 50:50, but the evil ones are more interesting.
Quote from: Vekar on July 25, 2008, 10:14:41 PM
Also I have yet to talk down to anyone, I debate and argue, part of a discussion about who thinks what species is better and why then why others are not.
Quote from: Vekar on July 25, 2008, 10:14:41 PM
Keep on goading me, it only shows your own childishness.
I'll just sit back, and enjoy the contradictions flying. On a less topic related note, I advise you read the rules, and try to follow them, though it'll be up to the mods for whether you'll get the chance to act on that. Flaming is not tolerated on almost any forum, this one included. Your discussion of the topic at hand is fine, personal attacks are not. And yes, that does go for you too Stygian.
Rule are here: http://www.clockworkmansion.com/main.php?page=rules
I'll add my vote for cutting this part of the thread out to be thrown into the mine.
Quote from: Vekar on July 25, 2008, 10:14:41 PM
*long winded speech*
i'd say roughly half of cubi are just purest evil, however, not being one to believe in absolutes, however, i'd say the rest are morally ambivalent. That is to say that they may be good, may be bad, varying in between your cold cast definitions of good and evil.
Also, spare the preaching for the church, padre
Turnsky: Yet to preach, just stating facts and I have said that for the umpteenth time. Not one for preaching less it be politics.
Frag: HAH! No contradictions. Only attacked the illogic used for others conclusions and shot down what others said on basis of scientific and historical fact. I have never and I still stand by this, have never attacked anyone on this forum. However, I have been attacked. I attack illogic and faulty reasoning.
Quote from: Tapewolf on July 25, 2008, 02:23:57 PM
We'll leave aside that in present-day DMFA they have what appears to be a microprocessor-controlled coke machine in SAIA (574). The 'Cubi race has a history going back 100 millennia, and remarkable powers.
I would expect that magic could be made to emulate the same results as technology. A magical vending machine shouldn't be too hard.
Quote from: Vekar on July 25, 2008, 10:14:41 PM
As for Fa'Lina she is caring for another Cubi, not like she is actually caring in the slighest for someone of another species so I call that a major difference.
Not caring for someone of another species? What about Pyroduck (particularly the last panel) (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_729.php)? It sure looks to me like she cares for a non-cubi. And not even opposed to his relationship (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_730.php).
Quote from: Vekar on July 25, 2008, 11:00:06 PM
Turnsky: Yet to preach, just stating facts and I have said that for the umpteenth time. Not one for preaching less it be politics.
Yet the fact is, you only have their actions in the comics to go on by, rendering all your arguments moot. Only Amber herself and a few others close to her in terms of "knowing what's going on", have most, if not all of their facts straight.
Nothing is set in stone, grasshopper, One can be good can do acts of evil, or vice versa, then there's the self-serving evil, which includes acts of good, which elevate them to the "magnificent bastard" level.
Being one who writes himself, i find the idea of an entire race being put in a single box because of the actions of others that have been barely hinted upon to be quite offensive. ESPECIALLY to the degree you have been going on about it.
You're putting all your moral ambiguity into a world that none of us barring a select few know anything about, and the fact that Furrae would not have had the same history as our own, we know only a little about Furrae's overall society, it may seem to be close to our own, but it may be further from that than you could possibly conceive.
that's my Two cents for now, but know this: Anything other than what the creator herself has said, is just pure speculation on anybody's part, and even then it's not set in stone, and can be retconned by said creator.
Phew, stinks in here. Lot of less than pleasant things being thrown around here, similar what you might find in a monkey pen. So rather than this back and forth flinging of putrescence, why don't we all just get back to the initial intent of the thread and just post the creature we like the most and not get at any one for their choices and their justifications for said choices. Besides, all this nastiness is making for bad blood needlessly. Keep it to pm's if you've got heated things to say, fact or not. The rest of us don't need to be dragged into this stuff. :)
peh.
I'm locking this, splitting it up, and then reopening the original thread, per request of several people.
There is also the possibility that there will be a ban or three handed out- I'm doing that after I finish splitting this up and reviewing.
*edit* Note to those coming in to sightsee. I've placed a post in the original thread, as well as in the rules thread in the DMFA forum. Go and read it, as it will remind many of you about rules that need to be followed. I think a few of you have forgotten.
this is the worst fucking thing i have ever read
nah, i'm fairly sure you've seen worse.
this is worse than youtube comments
Quote from: bill on July 26, 2008, 12:40:02 AM
this is worse than youtube comments
speaking of which..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mgxCR3Sbkw this fits this thread perfectly.
I personally am a big believer in free-will. To me, it is essential and what defines an individual from a bundle of instincts with no definition of good or evil. Cause in my mind, evil can only be truly evil if someone has a choice between good or evil and choose to go the route knowing full well their choice. As such, I personally find the concept of an entire race of any sort all being nothing but evil to be silly and ill-thought. Cause if its an entire race, from birth to old age...then its obviously not a choice they have made cause only something completely devoid of free-will could have such a total 100% rate.
And in such a case, the definition of evil cannot truly apply. It would be like saying the shark is evil because it attacked and killed a kid on an intertube. Can it truly be evil if it had no real ability to understand its actions and make a choice based on them. No. For something to be evil, in my book, it has to understand the concept of evil and actively choose to pursue that path. And that is something, in my mind, that is up to each individual...some more than others.
True, it is biased in ones favour for some than others. If you are raised to think a certain way, its more than likely you will follow it. But its not absolute or set in stone. And to consider an entire race as unredeemable and better off removed...
...heh...
...lets just say there is a lot of irony in that.