who's the toughest character in dmfa :mowninja my vote is for him er she it
Define what makes a character tough. :U
Are you talking tough as in a resilient ability to take abuse, or as it dish out out punishment, or some other measure?
Quote from: Amber Williams on July 16, 2008, 09:26:57 PM
Define what makes a character tough. :U
From the author's perspective, I'm guessing Abel is the winner; spots, spots, and more spots. :3
it's me
(it's also pyroduck)
Darkmoon. Oh, wait, DMFA... I don't know...
For Strength, i'd say Pyroduck..As for magical powers, god i'd hate to see what happens to the thing that makes Mab angry and doesn't bow to her will o_o
Fa'Lina. For various reasons. I also measure toughness by a sort of spiritual strength, the ability to pick yourself up and carry on even when weighed down with the memories of tremendous loss.
What? You expected me to say someone different? Like Jyrras, for example?
Evidently it has to be some damn Fae... but personally I don't think they count. Of course, even then, the case is still clear...
Curse you, Fa'Lina, you large and lurid thing... Some day...
Quote from: Zack on July 16, 2008, 10:18:39 PM
For Strength, i'd say Pyroduck..As for magical powers, god i'd hate to see what happens to the thing that makes Mab angry and doesn't bow to her will o_o
Edit: I have decided to step out of this, it's too hard to determine without more details.
Quote from: VSMIT on July 16, 2008, 10:17:34 PM
Darkmoon. Oh, wait, DMFA... I don't know...
I like your style.
It's true, though. Dark could easily best Dan in adventuring, drinking, wenching, fighting, running away... The list goes on.
Meh... Dark could beat being Dan, but cubi Dan? I dunno...
Remember: Dark can do magic. Dan's afraid of magic. Put 2 and 2 together.
Quote from: Pagan on July 17, 2008, 12:39:48 AM
Meh... Dark could beat being Dan, but cubi Dan? I dunno...
Darkmoon vs. Dan? tough call, both are main characters, but Dan is a title character, which is nicely balanced out by DMoon being a mary sue. The similarities between them otherwise outweigh the differences.
I suspect that an inconclusive fight would end with a break for beer and/or wenches.
Quote from: VSMIT on July 17, 2008, 12:50:22 AM
Remember: Dark can do magic. Dan's afraid of magic. Put 2 and 2 together.
I was under the impression that Dan is afraid of
doing magic, not magic itself.
@Reese Tora:I agree. How about a small character battle? (Mods can break thread if they want to)
Dark can fly. Dan can't.
Dark: 1
Dan: 0
Dan has a whole bunch of swords hidden who knows where. Dark has only his sword (which catches fire occasionally).
Dark: 1
Dan: 1
From before: Dark uses magic. Dan doesn't.
Dark: 2
Dan: 1
If you want to continue this, please do.
Everyone.
All right, I just want to throw this up in regards to my joking comment about Jyrras.
It has been at most two/three weeks in-comic time since Dan was kidnapped by Fa'Lina and taken to SAIA. Since then, Jyrras has had to confront his feelings for his best friend, gained a new crush, faced the (albeit imagined) possibility of losing two of his best friends because of his feelings for them, learned that his mom is pregnant, had a friend of his write him into a shounen-ai scene in a spy novel without his knowledge, had a conversation with said friend that did not end well (and to my knowledge has not been resolved between them), had a good long discussion with Dan that resulted in the two of them at least confirming their friendship, gained the attention and wrath of a Fae that ended with him being marked down for a Fae curse (albeit, it was part of Mab's plan to protect him, but A) Jyrras doesn't know that, B) it was terrifying, and C) Albanion still hurt him a little), and had yet another long conversation with Lorenda that not only knocked out the possibility of them hooking up but led to him realizing that he is in fact gay. And all of that took place within three to four days. And he has presumably spent the intervening time trying to understand himself better and come to grips with his sexuality (see #859 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_859.php) and #860 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_860.php)). Oh, and he had rainbow hair for a week. As Jyrras put it, "I'm so close to getting the entire fall line of emotional baggage. It'd be a shame to miss out on the full set..." Frankly, I'm surprised that he's still able (and he has yet to come clean to Abel about his feelings for the older Cubi! = another problem to deal with) to function: I mean, sure he's a little overwhelmed (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_851.php), but who wouldn't be? And that's not adding a lifetime of huggings/muggings from complete strangers and his whole size problem. Then you add in the fact that he's a valuable piece of a larger plan that several people (including one of his friends) are in on and that they seem to be just using him for their plans and he has no idea about any of this, and you come to realize that he's got a lot on his plate right now.
Now, most of the characters have some source of genuine angst and worry, so against the background of the other characters, it doesn't stand out as much. But I just wanted to throw that out there. Crud, I was rambling again.
PS: Actually, come to think of it, a lot of characters come across as really tough when you factor in all of their emotional baggage. I mean, take Dan: learned that he's a Cubi, that his best friend has a crush on him (and was afraid of telling him, which seemed to really hurt him), that his mom was evil, and that's not even accommodating for the whole DARK PHANTOM might be coming back problem... all over about a month or two. Much like Jyrras' problems, those are not things that you just deal with and get over. Jeeze, Amber, what is it with you and stacking all of this on your characters?
8) Falina seems to get her point across.
Quote from: VSMIT on July 17, 2008, 12:58:52 AM
@Reese Tora:I agree. How about a small character battle? (Mods can break thread if they want to)
Dark can fly. Dan can't.
Dark: 1
Dan: 0
Since when?
http://www.missmab.com/Art/Images/Dan_Grace.jpg
Quote from: AndersW on July 17, 2008, 07:42:46 AM
Since when?
http://www.missmab.com/Art/Images/Dan_Grace.jpg
Oh, since about here (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_357.php), I'd say.
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on July 17, 2008, 07:48:57 AM
Quote from: AndersW on July 17, 2008, 07:42:46 AM
Since when?
http://www.missmab.com/Art/Images/Dan_Grace.jpg
Oh, since about here (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_357.php), I'd say.
That was Dan when he was younger. He is older and more mature now. Well maybe not more mature, how about more experienced. And he did go through adventurer school.
But that doesn't mean he can fly... It just means that he's learned the "if it moves, hit it until it stops" mentality.
I wouldn't think that flying would be on the general curriculum of an adventuring school. :B
Quote from: Mowser on July 17, 2008, 10:08:47 AM
I wouldn't think that flying would be on the general curriculum of an adventuring school. :B
Especially since they tend to hunt people with wings.
Beyond that, I believe that flying isn't such a good idea in the DMFA world... I seem to recall a strip pointing that one out...
Biggs.
I'd have to go with Fa'Lina, though there are more powerful and longer-lived characters (e.g. the 100'000-year-old Tri-wing, various Fae, Dragons etc)
One day I am gonna tell readers that Dan was just psyking a younger Jyrras outby saying he couldn't fly, and that while they had a rough landing, Dan did in fact glide into it.
One day.
Quote from: Amber Williams on July 17, 2008, 03:20:10 PM
One day I am gonna tell readers that Dan was just psyking a younger Jyrras outby saying he couldn't fly, and that while they had a rough landing, Dan did in fact glide into it.
One day.
Oh! Well let us know when you do let us know that. I wonder if when that's released folks will start to happen why he hasn't had any airplane related accidents yet.
Quote from: Amber Williams on July 17, 2008, 03:20:10 PM
One day I am gonna tell readers that Dan was just psyking a younger Jyrras outby saying he couldn't fly, and that while they had a rough landing, Dan did in fact glide into it.
One day.
Wow... my respect for Dan just shot up a few points. So that whole stunt was just him trying to help out a kid he had only known for a few hours to get some confidence, and Jyrras was perfectly safe the whole time? Wow, he really is smarter than he looks. Go Dan.
But gliding isn't the same as flying.
Quote from: VSMIT on July 17, 2008, 03:42:43 PM
But gliding isn't the same as flying.
This is quite true. You'd think that having gotten both my glider and pilot's license back when I was in cadets I would have made that distinction as well. I fail. :<
you just dd
I think what Amber is implying is that Dan was fully capable of flying, but chose to make his carefully controlled glide look like an uncontrolled dive to give Jyrras a nice healthy dose of adrenaline and boost his confidence. I'm probably wrong.
Darkmoon can't fly. He can do a series of high jumps, stacked one on another (ala Alucard in SotN), but he can't fly.
If Dan can, then the point would go to Dan, technically.
And since when is Darkmoon a Mary Sue?
QuoteMary Sue, sometimes shortened simply to Sue, is a pejorative term used to describe a fictional character who plays a major role in the plot on such a scale that suspension of disbelief fails due to the character's traits, skills and abilities being tenuously or inadequately justified. Such a character is particularly characterized by overly idealized and clichéd mannerisms, lacking noteworthy flaws, and primarily functioning as wish-fulfillment fantasies for their authors.
If anything, D is an anti-Sue. But really, he's just D.
fa'lina, for obvious reasons.
although i realize they may not be quite so obvious to this board.
Quote from: Darkmoon on July 17, 2008, 06:06:43 PM
And since when is Darkmoon a Mary Sue?
QuoteMary Sue, sometimes shortened simply to Sue, is a pejorative term used to describe a fictional character who plays a major role in the plot on such a scale that suspension of disbelief fails due to the character's traits, skills and abilities being tenuously or inadequately justified. Such a character is particularly characterized by overly idealized and clichéd mannerisms, lacking noteworthy flaws, and primarily functioning as wish-fulfillment fantasies for their authors.
If anything, D is an anti-Sue. But really, he's just D.
... you wish you could get that drunk, pull girls, and not have to worry about sunlight?
hmm...I'm going to have to go with death bringer. I'm sorry but survival of nomicide as Lorenda's chew toy is a step above a fae getting bored of the monotony of living in order to be reborn, or Pegasus returning from the grave. However, forum wise I'd say Darkmoon is most powerful of the moderators.
Quote from: Darkmoon on July 17, 2008, 06:06:43 PMAnd since when is Darkmoon a Mary Sue?
weeeeeell...
Actually, and I decided not to clutter my previous post(meant to be humorous rather than serious) with this, Dmoon is a mary sue only in name. That is to say, D is only a mary sue in that he shares his name with the name you use on the forum. I figure that sharing his name with the author(even tangentially) was equal protection as is Dan's being a title character.
Quote from: Jairus on July 17, 2008, 03:46:30 AM
...and had yet another long conversation with Lorenda that not only knocked out the possibility of them hooking up but led to him realizing that he is in fact gay. And all of that took place within three to four days. And he has presumably spent the intervening time trying to understand himself better and come to grips with his sexuality
I still think "confused" might better describe him, maybe bi (since he was attracted to Lorenda too).
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Quote from: Jairus on July 17, 2008, 03:46:30 AM
...and had yet another long conversation with Lorenda that not only knocked out the possibility of them hooking up but led to him realizing that he is in fact gay. And all of that took place within three to four days. And he has presumably spent the intervening time trying to understand himself better and come to grips with his sexuality
I still think "confused" might better describe him, maybe bi (since he was attracted to Lorenda too).
Well, let me see if I can find the comic where he talked about it...
Ah, here it is (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_830.php). And while he does say in the next comic that he isn't really sure, he does seem to have accepted that he might have been mixing the signals up. So, he might be bi, but I'm leaning towards him being gay. Besides, he's still got that crush on Dan and that crush on Abel, and he's trying to talk to Abel about his feelings for him. And he is definitely confused: wouldn't you be just a little confused if all of the events I had listed happened to you?
Damn, that despondent look on his face in #831 just makes me want to pick him up and cuddle him and make him feel better. Jyrras (the character) is a year older than me, and I'm straight. Sheesh, he's practically the resident Woobie (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheWoobie) by now! Please agree with me about his Woobie status, or else I may have to cry in the corner for three hours.
Not sure about the woobie status of a certain roorat. But I do know that Lorenda's smiles in those pages were awesome. A bit creepy, what with the teeth and all, but awesome.
Quote from: Reese Tora on July 17, 2008, 11:59:44 PM
Quote from: Darkmoon on July 17, 2008, 06:06:43 PMAnd since when is Darkmoon a Mary Sue?
weeeeeell...
Actually, and I decided not to clutter my previous post(meant to be humorous rather than serious) with this, Dmoon is a mary sue only in name. That is to say, D is only a mary sue in that he shares his name with the name you use on the forum. I figure that sharing his name with the author(even tangentially) was equal protection as is Dan's being a title character.
That's not really my fault, though. The guys that started the old forum RPG the comic is based on use me by name in the first post. It sorta set in stone the name of the character I was gonna end up using.
dmfa only please and yeah jyrass is totally a woobie
My vote for toughest character would be FaLina. Id hate to be in a fight with her. Runner up would probably be Kria. With a name like Soulstealer you just can't go wrong.
Eh I'd go with moira giana, for obvious reasons.
I vote for everyones mother...Cause moms go through the roughest parts of living and taking care of their children and making them happy :3
I'd say either Wildy or Alexsi... messing with a giant mallet or an angry ferret? Yeah, have fun there..
Quote from: Kuari on August 05, 2008, 11:38:54 PM
I'd say either Wildy or Alexsi... messing with a giant mallet or an angry ferret? Yeah, have fun there..
yeah but can she you into the 42nd dimension
Quote from: silentassassin on August 06, 2008, 12:26:04 AM
Quote from: Kuari on August 05, 2008, 11:38:54 PM
I'd say either Wildy or Alexsi... messing with a giant mallet or an angry ferret? Yeah, have fun there..
yeah but can she you into the 42nd dimension
The 42nd what? Is that about the meaning of life? or someplace else? Is it Heaven?
BTW
If anyone is a Mary Sue, it is Miss Mab...., but Mab plays more like a referee. Or Does she have her own plan? (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_847.php)
Okay, Dan maybe can take a punch and give it back just as hard, but ALexsi keeps him from getting too big a head. Wildy with a whip is scarey enough in whatever she is wearing.
PBH
Forget the whip, I'd fear the cattle prod.
Quote from: Prof B Hunnydew on August 06, 2008, 07:29:38 AM
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Quote from: Kuari on August 05, 2008, 11:38:54 PM
I'd say either Wildy or Alexsi... messing with a giant mallet or an angry ferret? Yeah, have fun there..
yeah but can she sue you into the 42nd dimension
The 42nd what? Is that about the meaning of life? or someplace else? Is it Heaven?
That's how tough she is she creates new dimensions
Pfft, I doubt even the Fae can create new dimensions, they just travel between them... now would it be possible to be smacked into another dimension? No... but from a magical world standpoint, no big deal if you have a dimensional traveling ally :p... the physical pain Alexsi and Wildy could dish out would be worse... especially Wildy, she could probably have taken Destina's job at SAIA if she was a succubus.
Clearly the correct answer is for Kria to eat them all, then she can tell us which one was toughest!
Kria wouldn't eat Friends of her daughter's, I think, but you never know. Still, we have only see her eat Beings so far. So, Dan is off the menu. And Mab And Fa'lina. Fa'lina and Kria likely know each other. Now, also remember, Jyrrus's Mother can put the fear of the gods into Kria, if she tries anything.
:mowmeep
PBH
Quote from: Tikki on August 08, 2008, 02:28:28 AM
Clearly the correct answer is for Kria to eat them all, then she can tell us which one was toughest!
Provided Kria can get through ALL of them without dying.
I would have to say either Amber or Fluffy, probably Fluffy, is the toughest character. Although if we're only talking in story characters, hmmmmmmmmmm. I'd say the owner of the ball pit.
Quote from: Jer-oh-me on August 08, 2008, 04:41:18 PM
I would have to say either Amber or Fluffy, probably Fluffy, is the toughest character. Although if we're only talking in story characters, hmmmmmmmmmm. I'd say the owner of the ball pit.
I disagree. Though Amber is a creative god, she has shown considerable mental weakness. She's distracted by difficult and difficult-to-answer questions, she had been shown a weakness to generic japanese slang, as proven by Neko-Kitty, and shows a very high vunerability to paradox. She has very little ability to keep secrets and she has lapses of her "wiku worm" phase. She also has a trace of indecisiveness. Fluffy... is her smarter-than-boss assistant who, by chance, may possess no destructive power beyond what weapons there are on hand. He serves to glue together the pieces of Amber's shattered mind and has also shown the distracted weakness of Amber's. The ball pit owner only has power over cats. Any other furres are immune to that charm. She also shows only care for selfish gain, and likely has no dreams of dominating the world.
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Quote from: Jer-oh-me on August 08, 2008, 04:41:18 PM
I would have to say either Amber or Fluffy, probably Fluffy, is the toughest character. Although if we're only talking in story characters, hmmmmmmmmmm. I'd say the owner of the ball pit.
I disagree. Though Amber is a creative god, she has shown considerable mental weakness. She's distracted by difficult and difficult-to-answer questions, she had been shown a weakness to generic japanese slang, as proven by Neko-Kitty, and shows a very high vunerability to paradox. She has very little ability to keep secrets and she has lapses of her "wiku worm" phase. She also has a trace of indecisiveness. Fluffy... is her smarter-than-boss assistant who, by chance, may possess no destructive power beyond what weapons there are on hand. He serves to glue together the pieces of Amber's shattered mind and has also shown the distracted weakness of Amber's. The ball pit owner only has power over cats. Any other furres are immune to that charm. She also shows only care for selfish gain, and likely has no dreams of dominating the world.
Heh, excellent analysis. When I submitted my choices I was poking fun at the whole "Who's the toughest?" question, which is really a more open ended version of the "Who would win in a fight? X or Y?" which I try not to get involved in. If I had to give my honest to goodness answer... I hate doing this, but it's a toss up between Pyroduck and Fa'lina.
My butt.
no wait
Paragator.
Go Paragator!
Oh, and welcome aboard, Skurvy. Arr!!
Sorry. Couldn't resist.
How do dragons fit into the scheme of toughness anyway? How would Pyroduck compare with Kria? He pretty much sat on Abel (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_683.php) with very few negative consequences, other than the sucker punch...
Quote from: Jer-oh-me on August 12, 2008, 09:54:43 PM
Quote from: Alterationartist on August 12, 2008, 01:38:33 PM
Quote from: Jer-oh-me on August 08, 2008, 04:41:18 PM
I would have to say either Amber or Fluffy, probably Fluffy, is the toughest character. Although if we're only talking in story characters, hmmmmmmmmmm. I'd say the owner of the ball pit.
I disagree. Though Amber is a creative god, she has shown considerable mental weakness. She's distracted by difficult and difficult-to-answer questions, she had been shown a weakness to generic japanese slang, as proven by Neko-Kitty, and shows a very high vunerability to paradox. She has very little ability to keep secrets and she has lapses of her "wiku worm" phase. She also has a trace of indecisiveness. Fluffy... is her smarter-than-boss assistant who, by chance, may possess no destructive power beyond what weapons there are on hand. He serves to glue together the pieces of Amber's shattered mind and has also shown the distracted weakness of Amber's. The ball pit owner only has power over cats. Any other furres are immune to that charm. She also shows only care for selfish gain, and likely has no dreams of dominating the world.
Heh, excellent analysis. When I submitted my choices I was poking fun at the whole "Who's the toughest?" question, which is really a more open ended version of the "Who would win in a fight? X or Y?" which I try not to get involved in. If I had to give my honest to goodness answer... I hate doing this, but it's a toss up between Pyroduck and Fa'lina.
So all I have to do is throw in a little chan kuns and sans and amber will no longer be an issue onmy path to global surpremecy. I mean something not evil.
I thought it was Sweddish Fish... but If you throw muffins at Fa'lina, you defeat Fa'lina. Begcon strips are Fluffy's weakness.
PBH
Fa'Lina is the top of the food chain if you ask me. Remeber how easyly she threw Dan flying. Sexy and Strong- nice :love2
Quote from: silentassassin on August 23, 2008, 10:16:43 AM
Quote from: Jer-oh-me on August 12, 2008, 09:54:43 PM
Quote from: Alterationartist on August 12, 2008, 01:38:33 PM
Quote from: Jer-oh-me on August 08, 2008, 04:41:18 PM
I would have to say either Amber or Fluffy, probably Fluffy, is the toughest character. Although if we're only talking in story characters, hmmmmmmmmmm. I'd say the owner of the ball pit.
I disagree. Though Amber is a creative god, she has shown considerable mental weakness. She's distracted by difficult and difficult-to-answer questions, she had been shown a weakness to generic japanese slang, as proven by Neko-Kitty, and shows a very high vunerability to paradox. She has very little ability to keep secrets and she has lapses of her "wiku worm" phase. She also has a trace of indecisiveness. Fluffy... is her smarter-than-boss assistant who, by chance, may possess no destructive power beyond what weapons there are on hand. He serves to glue together the pieces of Amber's shattered mind and has also shown the distracted weakness of Amber's. The ball pit owner only has power over cats. Any other furres are immune to that charm. She also shows only care for selfish gain, and likely has no dreams of dominating the world.
Heh, excellent analysis. When I submitted my choices I was poking fun at the whole "Who's the toughest?" question, which is really a more open ended version of the "Who would win in a fight? X or Y?" which I try not to get involved in. If I had to give my honest to goodness answer... I hate doing this, but it's a toss up between Pyroduck and Fa'lina.
So all I have to do is throw in a little chan kuns and sans and amber will no longer be an issue onmy path to global surpremecy. I mean something not evil.
It's not more along "ruling' the world, rather than "running" it. If you're able to take the stresses that Amber has now, I'm sure she would thank you for it. Because the rule is that if you destroy a god, you HAVE to take it's place, along with its burdens. Also, Japanese slang won't destroy Amber, only warp her mind... to a place with cheap hard liquor and a recently escalating crime rate. You'd also have to deal with Fluffy, because the take on life as a pair, despite their weaknesses.