Now Hollows... that is some fascinating stuff. Makes sense, too. I wonder though - are Hollows functional aside from the lack of emotions and magic, or just lie around dead-like?
Congratulations to Amber for getting out a super-large early update! :> It brought happy-tears to my eyes.
~Keaton the Black Jackal
They are pretty much vegatables. They can breathe, they can eat if you feed em, they can poop. But there is not really anything there that actually makes up what one would call "sentient".
So what happens if you stick another soul in the hollow, after it's born? Is that possible? Does it turn off the counter to eventual death?
Quote from: Amber Williams on May 31, 2008, 11:45:08 PM
They are pretty much vegatables. They can breathe, they can eat if you feed em, they can poop. But there is not really anything there that actually makes up what one would call "sentient".
WHAT? D: But... but what about my fanfic? My glorious fanfic about the beautiful dazzling amazingly attractive boobalicious half-Fae princess who is summoned by eternally-foretold prophecies to save the world with all her beauty and charm and infinite magic?
IT WILL WIN ME THE PULITZER PRIZE OF INTERNET LITERATURE.
~Keaton the Black Jackal
PS: R&R PLZ
PSS: Actually, speaking
rationally now, that makes sense. Since not having a soul would be pretty... um... deficient. :B Also, there is no fanfic. I lied.
Quote from: Kibin on May 31, 2008, 11:51:16 PM
So what happens if you stick another soul in the hollow, after it's born? Is that possible? Does it turn off the counter to eventual death?
Souls dont work that way I am afraid. And the fact the hollow are magic immune sort of makes it pretty impossible to try.
So strapping them onto your arm to deflect a magic users fireball is still an option? :rolleyes
"Sadly" yes, if you want to lug around a human shield.
Even the most skilled magic user is going to just slice both of you open though. :kruger
Yay! I've rained on some else's parade today! Yay!
I need a life. Crap, I made myself feel bad again.
Wait a minute.
That would mean they would need to actually have sex.
I thought none of the characters did that!
... DEAR GOD I JUST CREATED A PARADOX. THE END IS NIGH! REPENT! REPE-404 Dimension Not Found
Huh, well that's interesting. I was actually going to ask a question on this but..no need to anymore's.
Kinda feel sorry for the hollows though.. :mowsad
Quote from: Zack on June 01, 2008, 12:39:48 AM
Huh, well that's interesting. I was actually going to ask a question on this but..no need to anymore's.
Kinda feel sorry for the hollows though.. :mowsad
Don't feel sorry about them!
They don't feel sorry about themselves!
They could care less! :U
Or COULDN'T they?
Wow. That's an incredibly evocative and depressing concept. I love it.
Somewhat I dont feel remose for them...Its just silly to feel bad for something that alive yet has no life
Quote from: Amber Williams on May 31, 2008, 11:45:08 PM
They are pretty much vegatables.
Om nom nom. :V
So how many servings of veggies does eating a hollow count for?
Quote from: Victoire Épique on June 01, 2008, 01:51:33 AM
Quote from: Amber Williams on May 31, 2008, 11:45:08 PM
They are pretty much vegatables.
Om nom nom. :V
So how many servings of veggies does eating a hollow count for?
I assume quite a lot if the crossbreed was fae and dryad.
Quote from: Zedd on June 01, 2008, 01:14:11 AM
Somewhat I dont feel remose for them...Its just silly to feel bad for something that alive yet has no life
Despite that they are practically shells, I still feel bad for them, I guess I just value life that much..
1. Are hollows sterile?
2. Could a hollow's body be controlled with cybernetic implants?
3. Now I want an army of hollow cyborg assassins.
Quote from: Zack on June 01, 2008, 02:02:36 AM
Quote from: Zedd on June 01, 2008, 01:14:11 AM
Somewhat I dont feel remose for them...Its just silly to feel bad for something that alive yet has no life
Despite that they are practically shells, I still feel bad for them, I guess I just value life that much..
Yea... :cry
Anyway, two things:
One, yes I know this is Amber-world, but I am just wondering why you wouldn't get any soul from the being/non-fae partner?
Two, perhaps I am just thinking evilly, but if created en-masse, they could be good cannon-fodder or warriors - no emotions, most likely don't feel pain, can't be stopped with magic, and won't revolt on you. Admittedly, dying at 21 would limit their use, but if you start training them from birth, and have them fighting from 12 or so on, you might get enough use out of them for it to be viable.
How you would get plenty? Hm... Perhaps find some fae with some sick sexual fetishes(like having sex with beings for instance), let him/her lose in a population of beings, then spread propaganda as to how these emotionless children need to be taken to you for proper training, or else they will die at 21! (of course, you don't tell the ignorant populous that they will die anyway... >:3 )
I give this crackpot theory a 'possible, though only somewhat plausible'.
-RobbieThe1st
Quote from: Amber Williams on May 31, 2008, 11:45:08 PM
They are pretty much vegatables. They can breathe, they can eat if you feed em, they can poop. But there is not really anything there that actually makes up what one would call "sentient".
nicely done, i applaud you. now THAT's a way to discourage half-breeds. >:3
For those who feel kind of sorry for them, you should remember that it's kind of like feeling sorry for a tree or a zombie for that matter. Since a hollow has no soul and is a vegetable, it's basically a bunch of biological matter in a Being shape. It seems like a being, but on a real scale it's about on the level of a tree. No, on the other hand, if you feel sorry for trees then that's your deal, so whatever haha ^-^. That said I can imagine a poor Fae in the world of Furrae that has such an emotional attachment to it's hollow that it takes care of it. Would make for a good story.... *thinks* Hmm....
Quote from: RobbieThe1st on June 01, 2008, 02:37:34 AM
Quote from: Zack on June 01, 2008, 02:02:36 AM
Quote from: Zedd on June 01, 2008, 01:14:11 AM
Somewhat I dont feel remose for them...Its just silly to feel bad for something that alive yet has no life
Despite that they are practically shells, I still feel bad for them, I guess I just value life that much..
Yea... :cry
Anyway, two things:
One, yes I know this is Amber-world, but I am just wondering why you wouldn't get any soul from the being/non-fae partner?
Two, perhaps I am just thinking evilly, but if created en-masse, they could be good cannon-fodder or warriors - no emotions, most likely don't feel pain, can't be stopped with magic, and won't revolt on you. Admittedly, dying at 21 would limit their use, but if you start training them from birth, and have them fighting from 12 or so on, you might get enough use out of them for it to be viable.
How you would get plenty? Hm... Perhaps find some fae with some sick sexual fetishes(like having sex with beings for instance), let him/her lose in a population of beings, then spread propaganda as to how these emotionless children need to be taken to you for proper training, or else they will die at 21! (of course, you don't tell the ignorant populous that they will die anyway... >:3 )
I give this crackpot theory a 'possible, though only somewhat plausible'.
-RobbieThe1st
The fact they have no brain capacity to learn how to walk on their own...much less fight...would likely sway anyone from thinking they are a valuable source of soldier.
Seriously.
Perhaps the whole thing in the comic makes it sound like they are just empty vessels of insincts...but really...there is
nothing there. No ability to learn. No ability to react to their outside surroundings. Most Fae will kill them at birth, not out of cruelty but because they feel it is even worse to leave something like that alive yet un-alive.
The Hollows are literally the things the Fae never like to admit exist because it is so horribly depressing and bleak.
On that note, I'm interested in what if there is a Fae law against hollows? and what the punishment is for violating that.
Quote from: The Darkless on June 01, 2008, 02:44:05 AM
For those who feel kind of sorry for them, you should remember that it's kind of like feeling sorry for a tree or a zombie for that matter. Since a hollow has no soul and is a vegetable, it's basically a bunch of biological matter in a Being shape. It seems like a being, but on a real scale it's about on the level of a tree. No, on the other hand, if you feel sorry for trees then that's your deal, so whatever haha ^-^. That said I can imagine a poor Fae in the world of Furrae that has such an emotional attachment to it's hollow that it takes care of it. Would make for a good story.... *thinks* Hmm....
I agree with you there,I could take a sock and stuff it with burger meat,but in no way would i care for it,killing them at birth would be more merciful then leaving them alive as Amber put it.
Hrm... What if a Fae chose to die, right when a Hollow is born? THEN would the Hollow have a soul?
Also: That kinda makes Mab's former crush on Merlitz kinda odd... (This was WAAAY back when we met Aary.)
Quote from: Schizo on June 01, 2008, 03:44:06 AM
Quote from: The Darkless on June 01, 2008, 02:44:05 AM
For those who feel kind of sorry for them, you should remember that it's kind of like feeling sorry for a tree or a zombie for that matter. Since a hollow has no soul and is a vegetable, it's basically a bunch of biological matter in a Being shape. It seems like a being, but on a real scale it's about on the level of a tree. No, on the other hand, if you feel sorry for trees then that's your deal, so whatever haha ^-^. That said I can imagine a poor Fae in the world of Furrae that has such an emotional attachment to it's hollow that it takes care of it. Would make for a good story.... *thinks* Hmm....
I agree with you there,I could take a sock and stuff it with burger meat,but in no way would i care for it,killing them at birth would be more merciful then leaving them alive as Amber put it.
Yes, that said. Because it LOOKS like a person and is made of exactly the same things other persons are made of, I can completely understand having an emotional attachment override logic.
Quote from: BarGamer on June 01, 2008, 03:46:34 AM
Hrm... What if a Fae chose to die, right when a Hollow is born? THEN would the Hollow have a soul?
Also: That kinda makes Mab's former crush on Merlitz kinda odd... (This was WAAAY back when we met Aary.)
Affection and mating are two different urges entirely. ^-^, however I think the idea of a Fae giving their soul to their hollow child really.... sweet. But I'm pretty sure that's an impossibility in Amber's world. Actually that's one thing I find kind of funny about Amber, pretty creative and fun with the creations, but at the same time seem very rulestrict, where as most other writer I know like to keep thing ambiguous. Both styles lend themselves to different things, and I could imagine how ridiculous Furrae could become if it was more ambiguous.
Right, so... No Dan and Mab's ""Fur"gotten-condom" Adventures.
Granted, since Fae are perfect beings, can't they just wish themselves sterile?
Quote from: Amber Williams on June 01, 2008, 02:47:51 AM
The fact they have no brain capacity to learn how to walk on their own...much less fight...would likely sway anyone from thinking they are a valuable source of soldier.
Seriously.
Perhaps the whole thing in the comic makes it sound like they are just empty vessels of insincts...but really...there is nothing there. No ability to learn. No ability to react to their outside surroundings. Most Fae will kill them at birth, not out of cruelty but because they feel it is even worse to leave something like that alive yet un-alive.
The Hollows are literally the things the Fae never like to admit exist because it is so horribly depressing and bleak.
so either they become vegetables somewhere, or they go into US Politics, no wonder the fae doesn't have anything to do with them.. >:3
edit: which begs the question, i know that since that only a certain number of Fae can exist at any one point in time. (Fae souls are like energy in that regard, cannot be created nor destroyed) What about the other half of the equation?.. That also gives rise to another question which while unable to work with a hollow, is something on my mind.. Can a soul be 'created' on furrae?..
i figure i'd also bring this out to the fore before someone else does in hopes of making a fanfic to it, my guess that given their highly resistant to magic nature, and inability to learn, Wouldn't that (much later on) make Hollows the perfect target for aspiring scientists with hopes of making giving their Artificial Intelligences a meaty body to use as a puppet? Granted this could be done with anything else organic.
Quote from: Turnsky on June 01, 2008, 03:49:17 AMso either they become vegetables somewhere, or they go into politics, no wonder the fae doesn't have anything to do with them.. >:3
Fix'd it for you.
They'd make for great conversation pieces if you littered your house with them.
"What the?!" your first time guest would exclaim. "Why are there vacant eyed, slumped wotsits all over your house?!"
"Oh, they're my Hollows," you'd say, "They not much fun at a party, but they sure do help the cold nights pass."
Quote from: rabid_fox on June 01, 2008, 04:52:29 AM
They'd make for great conversation pieces if you littered your house with them.
"What the?!" your first time guest would exclaim. "Why are there vacant eyed, slumped wotsits all over your house?!"
"Oh, they're my Hollows," you'd say, "They not much fun at a party, but they sure do help the cold nights pass."
Yeah, but you'd have to feed and clean up after them to keep um alive, not very practical...
Also I think it would be a fairly bad taste, almost like having a collection of stillborn babies.
:mowsad Of course, crossbreeding is not really out of the Question, as long as you have a fae essence contact it. Remember Mab's daughter, from a cup of tea, and a Fae essence. I wonder what would happen if a random essence contacted Jyrass in his fae exploites with Mab. In theory, you would end up with a half-fae Jyrras ...
Damn. And i thought DanxMab wouldve worked out.
im a little sad now :(
I think we need Emo fan service. Hollow wallpaper!
Quote from: The Darkless on June 01, 2008, 05:22:41 AM
I think we need Emo fan service. Hollow wallpaper!
How thinly would you slice them, though?
Quote from: Kenji on June 01, 2008, 01:55:41 AM
Quote from: Victoire Épique on June 01, 2008, 01:51:33 AM
Quote from: Amber Williams on May 31, 2008, 11:45:08 PM
They are pretty much vegatables.
Om nom nom. :V
So how many servings of veggies does eating a hollow count for?
I assume quite a lot if the crossbreed was fae and dryad.
Eww, Dryads. :blarf
Too bitter for me. Maybe a fresh Mythos would be a better-tasting specimen for crossbreeding?
My first thoughts were of Nyra. The Censor Panda.
http://www.mabsland.com/Pandas/Censor_NYRb.gif
(non-img tagged for cleanliness' sake)
Looking at the picture of the Hollow you can make it more or less disturbing by deciding if her eyes are open but blank, or closed as if sleeping (Or see both for a even better effect)
This comic has given me some twisted ideas which I will not be sharing on this particular thread for the sake of maintaining a PG rating. >:3
Quote from: Amber Williams on May 31, 2008, 11:52:41 PM
Quote from: Kibin on May 31, 2008, 11:51:16 PM
So what happens if you stick another soul in the hollow, after it's born? Is that possible? Does it turn off the counter to eventual death?
Souls dont work that way I am afraid. And the fact the hollow are magic immune sort of makes it pretty impossible to try.
Souls are magic-based? :erk
and now i have the chilling mental image of a fey, curled up in bed on a stormy night, seeing a ghost inside their head of the hollow child they had slain years ago. true, they obviously cant have ghosts, so its just severe guilt and depression causing hallucinations in an Edgar Allan Poe kinda way.
oh yes, to make it complete the apparition would be singing "gollum's song" for triple extra creepiness
yeah, i can see how a fey would consider something so depressing to be anathema to them, their normally cheerful existence reminded of mortality and, merciful Odin, CONSEQUENCES for their actions!
QuoteWhere once was light. Now darkness falls. Where once was love. Love is no more.. Don't say goodbye. Don't say I didn't try
These tears we cry. Are falling rain. For all the lies you told us. The hurt, the blame!. And. we will weep to be so alone. We are lost. We can never go home
So in the end. I'll be what I will be. No loyal friend. Was ever there for me
Now we say goodbye. We say you didn't try
These tears you cry. Have come too late. Take back the lies. The hurt, the blame!
And you will weep. When you face the end alone. You are lost. You can never go home
Quote from: Goatmon on June 01, 2008, 07:28:15 AM
Souls are magic-based? :erk
They don't have to be. How else is one going to move a soul into another being except by magic? Even if a soul itself isn't magic, magic would have to be used in transferring it, assuming such a thing was possible at all.
So. Hollows. Looks sad, on the surface, but thinking about it it isn't really. This is completely different from a person who is rendered a "vegetable" through brain damage or whatever. In that case there is still a person there, they just can't do anything. But here, there's nobody inside the body at all. There is NO person. Just a body-shaped mass of flesh and organs and such.
So Azlan and Neni don't get to have kids then...
Quote from: Azlan on June 01, 2008, 08:16:34 AM
So Azlan and Neni don't get to have kids then...
lest they adopt
Or one just falls out of the sky as happened to Mab.
"... and that was the last time I got Neni pregnant!"
Quote from: Wanderer on June 01, 2008, 07:52:13 AMSo. Hollows. Looks sad, on the surface, but thinking about it it isn't really. This is completely different from a person who is rendered a "vegetable" through brain damage or whatever. In that case there is still a person there, they just can't do anything. But here, there's nobody inside the body at all. There is NO person. Just a body-shaped mass of flesh and organs and such.
Like a doll, with a pulse! :boogie
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on June 01, 2008, 09:52:54 AM
"... and that was the last time I got Neni pregnant!"
ROFL. >:3
that leaves one question in my mind.
Since Fae souls are recycled (ultimate Fae recycling plan, they don't throw anything away, even their sous) what would happen in the one in a galactic chance that a Fae decided to die and randomly send said soul out while at the same time a Fae and a non-fae made a 'mistake.' As a result of their error the non-fae was pregnant and at the same time that wayward Fae soul made its home in the womb of the pregnant non-fae. Since the non-fae child (possible fae 'hollow') would have a fae soul would that still make it a hollow, or would the Fae-to-be get bored waiting to be re-born and move on.
Don't answer it, it's my dirty mind thinking in overdrive.
I must say this puts an interesting twist on the crossbreeding scene. Yes the hollow in the pic has an interesting look to her but the fact that no brain activity nor-any activity other than survival would really be a downer. I wonder if the white hollow look catches on with the goths.
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on June 01, 2008, 10:42:22 AM
Quote from: Goatmon on June 01, 2008, 09:59:08 AM
Like a doll, with a pulse! :boogie
RealDoll (tm)!
Oh the horror...
I can't believe someone posted that.
Quote from: Amber Williams on June 01, 2008, 02:47:51 AMThe fact they have no brain capacity to learn how to walk on their own...much less fight...would likely sway anyone from thinking they are a valuable source of soldier.
That is until they capture Jyrras and force him to create artificial brains to be implanted on hollows >:3
Well....gee. Thats sad. :cry
Now I can't get the image of a crazy-Fae mom taking care of their hollow kid.
"Would you like some more poridge dear...?"
"..."
"Here you go. I painted your room, don't you like it?"
"..."
"I love you."
"..."
As the slow pitter-patter of rain hits the outside window. The mother's clothes are moth-eaten rags, and dust collects on the door, never opened.
Quote from: Ren Gaulen on June 01, 2008, 10:44:20 AM
Oh, the morbidity! 'A'
Well, duh.
Quote from: Madmann135 on June 01, 2008, 10:51:26 AM
Oh the horror...
I can't believe someone posted that.
Someone had to, otherwise someone else would have gone nuts tearing the idea to pieces. Or doing other, unsavoury things to the idea...
Quote from: Joe3210 on June 01, 2008, 11:33:24 AM
To be expected from a guy with your humor.
I have much better humour than that. Just you wait and see...
Edit:
Actually, here's a quick question: Why is the Hollow stored in a padded room? It's not like she's going to hurt herself, is she?
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on June 01, 2008, 10:42:22 AM
RealDoll (tm)!
Now, that makes me think of something. Would a quarter fae have a soul? An eigth? Would the quarterbreed just be whatever other parent it had, no part fae? Or how about a three-quarter fae?
Quote from: Ink on June 01, 2008, 06:27:33 AM
My first thoughts were of Nyra. The Censor Panda.
http://www.mabsland.com/Pandas/Censor_NYRb.gif
(non-img tagged for cleanliness' sake)
That's what I thought of immediately, as well.
How sad they are. :<
Quote from: Deebs' giraffe on June 01, 2008, 12:06:37 PM
Now, that makes me think of something. Would a quarter fae have a soul? An eigth? Would the quarterbreed just be whatever other parent it had, no part fae? Or how about a three-quarter fae?
How would you get a quarter breed, since you can't get a half-breed to breed with? And if you do get a half-breed, you can't breed with it anyway?
Come on, people. At least smash the two lonely brain cells together sluggishly. Sheesh.
I don't suppose it is necessary in a world with magic but they could be a good source of replacement organs, blood, etc. (Ever see the 'vampires final solution' in the blade films?)
One really needs to consider how old the Fae are, and how much experience they have with dealing with other worlds/dimensions/realities. The average Fae can often live longer than the average civilization.
Part of the reason the Hollows are so depressing for the Fae is because despite this, its something even they can't quite "fix". And believe me, they have tried. It can go without saying that at some point it was likely every suggestion you guys have given has been tried...each time with the same result.
Thats something I keep needing to remind you guys about the Hybrid Genetics page: Fluffy isn't giving hypotheticals, she is giving straight up facts. If there was a chance for an exception, she would have added "with a rare exception of..."
The sex doll idea reminds me of "Ghost In the Shell: Innocence". I think Ink would desire a supply of them to perform bizzarre experiments upon.
And an implication that souls are magic-based in Furrae... hmm... what of souls from other dimensions? If they are all the same, that makes an intriguing transdimensional continuity. A link through which all worlds could be dominated! Yes... yes... YES!!! :mwaha
On another note... It's a Hollow! Like "Bleach"! Bleach, Bleach, Bleach! :boogie
One question though: What is the significance of 21 years old?
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on June 01, 2008, 09:52:54 AM
"... and that was the last time I got Neni pregnant!"
Llearch, you are a magnificent box.
~Keaton the Black Jackal
PS: On a totally unrelated note, Turnsky, I typically hate spiders, but your avatar is oddly adorable.
Quote from: Victoire Épique on June 01, 2008, 01:51:33 AM
Quote from: Amber Williams on May 31, 2008, 11:45:08 PM
They are pretty much vegatables.
Om nom nom. :V
So how many servings of veggies does eating a hollow count for?
They'd be empty calories.
Quote from: Amber Williams on June 01, 2008, 02:47:51 AM
The fact they have no brain capacity to learn how to walk on their own...much less fight...would likely sway anyone from thinking they are a valuable source of soldier.
Seriously.
Perhaps the whole thing in the comic makes it sound like they are just empty vessels of insincts...but really...there is nothing there. No ability to learn. No ability to react to their outside surroundings. Most Fae will kill them at birth, not out of cruelty but because they feel it is even worse to leave something like that alive yet un-alive.
The Hollows are literally the things the Fae never like to admit exist because it is so horribly depressing and bleak.
Sooo, if a fae crossbreeding with another creature produces a hollow, does that mean that Fae themselves are Wholes? And do the Fae have a society which deals with the Hollows, who all wear black kimono's and carry around zanpaktos?
:boogie :boogie :boogie
*EDIT* I fully expect Fluffy to come out and smack me for that one :B
No, just me, for not editing your quotes.
And believe me, if I have to keep on doing this, I will start doing it the easy way, by turning your post into an empty hole.
.... *looks around all shifty eyed....*
.....if you made armor out of Hollow bone, would it be completely magic proof?
And this is why I didnt want to mention the Hollows.
I am done with this thread.
Quote from: Amber Williams on June 01, 2008, 03:49:15 PM
And this is why I didnt want to mention the Hollows.
I am done with this thread.
Yeeee, another artist's mind corrupted, lol
Quote from: Amber Williams on June 01, 2008, 01:57:24 PM
One really needs to consider how old the Fae are, and how much experience they have with dealing with other worlds/dimensions/realities. The average Fae can often live longer than the average civilization.
Part of the reason the Hollows are so depressing for the Fae is because despite this, its something even they can't quite "fix". And believe me, they have tried. It can go without saying that at some point it was likely every suggestion you guys have given has been tried...each time with the same result.
Thats something I keep needing to remind you guys about the Hybrid Genetics page: Fluffy isn't giving hypotheticals, she is giving straight up facts. If there was a chance for an exception, she would have added "with a rare exception of..."
Thats got to be hard,
It reminds me of the Mokole from world of Darkness
Most species of shifter in that game have Metis, The result of a full breed were breeding with anouther full were. The result is a sterile creature who spends it's entire childhood in it's crinos form (wolf man basically)
But for the Mokole that doesn't happen. The werereptiles metis are still born. and the ghosts of these offspring can become predatory and haunt the edges of the spirit world
Quote from: Aleolus on June 01, 2008, 02:43:20 PM
Quote from: Amber Williams on June 01, 2008, 02:47:51 AM
The fact they have no brain capacity to learn how to walk on their own...much less fight...would likely sway anyone from thinking they are a valuable source of soldier.
Seriously.
Perhaps the whole thing in the comic makes it sound like they are just empty vessels of insincts...but really...there is nothing there. No ability to learn. No ability to react to their outside surroundings. Most Fae will kill them at birth, not out of cruelty but because they feel it is even worse to leave something like that alive yet un-alive.
The Hollows are literally the things the Fae never like to admit exist because it is so horribly depressing and bleak.
Sooo, if a fae crossbreeding with another creature produces a hollow, does that mean that Fae themselves are Wholes? And do the Fae have a society which deals with the Hollows, who all wear black kimono's and carry around zanpaktos?
:boogie :boogie :boogie
*EDIT* I fully expect Fluffy to come out and smack me for that one :B
I KNEW SOMEONE WOUILD MAKE A BLEACH REFERENCE.
I KNEW IT.
...you know, I'm suddenly curious what scared Amber off... the Bleach references, or my armor question... INQUIRING NECROMANCERS WANT TO KNOW!!!
Quote from: Kuari on June 01, 2008, 04:11:08 PM
...you know, I'm suddenly curious what scared Amber off... the Bleach references, or my armor question... INQUIRING NECROMANCERS WANT TO KNOW!!!
Persistent stupidity.
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on June 01, 2008, 05:06:30 PM
Quote from: Kuari on June 01, 2008, 04:11:08 PM
...you know, I'm suddenly curious what scared Amber off... the Bleach references, or my armor question... INQUIRING NECROMANCERS WANT TO KNOW!!!
Persistent stupidity.
Thats got my vote
I'd think that Hollow's are what they are not because of the lack of soul, but precisely because they're 100% magic immune, rejecting souls, as opposed to simply not having a soul. I'd think that the only conceivably possible solution is by virgin pregnancy (aka no impregnation involved), but that's not breeding either. For this to work, the pregnant side has to be the fae. (not necessarily female)
Okay.
1) The comic gave you all the information you all needed to know.
2) NO MORE SPECULATION ON THE HOLLOW.
I will allow continued discussion, but any more speculation on... anything having to do with them, really, and I'm shutting down the thread. Some of you have already disgusted two mods, let's try not to make it a third.
Quote from: thegayhare on June 01, 2008, 05:21:52 PM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on June 01, 2008, 05:06:30 PM
Quote from: Kuari on June 01, 2008, 04:11:08 PM
...you know, I'm suddenly curious what scared Amber off... the Bleach references, or my armor question... INQUIRING NECROMANCERS WANT TO KNOW!!!
Persistent stupidity.
Thats got my vote
Hardly the right place, TGH, but did you ever get that PM I sent? I don't have any other way of asking you without sending another PM and that seems kind of pointless if the first one went missing. D:
Is it just me, or do I see Amber playing word of God with this Mini Arc...
*WHAM* "No Half-cubi for you!"
*WHAM* "No Undead Babies for you!"
*WHAM* "No Fae parentage for you!"
And with every page, more squealing fanfic writers die XD
Quote from: Jigsaw Forte on June 01, 2008, 06:17:42 PM
And with every page, more squealing fanfic writers die XD
Don't feel sorry for them. The weak will fall, the strong will thrive.
Quote from: Jigsaw Forte on June 01, 2008, 06:17:42 PM
Is it just me, or do I see Amber playing word of God with this Mini Arc...
*WHAM* "No Half-cubi for you!"
*WHAM* "No Undead Babies for you!"
*WHAM* "No Fae parentage for you!"
And with every page, more squealing fanfic writers die XD
Good gods, she's playing Whack-A-Mole with the ficwriters! :U
Quote from: Ren Gaulen on June 01, 2008, 06:40:13 PM
Quote from: Jigsaw Forte on June 01, 2008, 06:17:42 PM
And with every page, more squealing fanfic writers die XD
Don't feel sorry for them. The weak will fall, the strong will thrive.
Where exactly did I say I felt sorry for them? >:3
Quote from: Ren Gaulen on June 01, 2008, 06:40:13 PM
Quote from: Jigsaw Forte on June 01, 2008, 06:17:42 PM
And with every page, more squealing fanfic writers die XD
Don't feel sorry for them.
Says the guy who illustrates one >:3
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on June 01, 2008, 05:06:30 PM
Quote from: Kuari on June 01, 2008, 04:11:08 PM
...you know, I'm suddenly curious what scared Amber off... the Bleach references, or my armor question... INQUIRING NECROMANCERS WANT TO KNOW!!!
Persistent stupidity.
Yeah, that sounds about right. I'm starting to hate the speculation on this forum something
fierce, and I usually love to speculate.
~Keaton the Black Jackal
Quote from: techmaster-glitch on June 01, 2008, 07:44:41 PM
Quote from: Jigsaw Forte on June 01, 2008, 06:17:42 PM
Is it just me, or do I see Amber playing word of God with this Mini Arc...
*WHAM* "No Half-cubi for you!"
*WHAM* "No Undead Babies for you!"
*WHAM* "No Fae parentage for you!"
And with every page, more squealing fanfic writers die XD
Good gods, she's playing Whack-A-Mole with the ficwriters! :U
You say that like it's a bad thing...
Quote from: Slowtini on June 01, 2008, 08:36:06 PM
You say that like it's a bad thing...
Think about it. If there were no fan characters and backstories to go with them, this place would be pretty empty and boring. A great chunk of the RPs are DMFA-connected or have DMFA-inspired characters in them. About half the threads in the art section are to do with DMFA or DMFA-based characters.
Personally, I think Jig is simply jealous because no-one has made a
Last Resort fanfic yet >:3
if there was no fanfic there would be no this (http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php/topic,4585.0.html)
Quote from: Tapewolf on June 01, 2008, 08:48:36 PM
Personally, I think Jig is simply jealous because no-one has made a Last Resort fanfic yet >:3
Actually, I want to do one, but I'm seriously intimidated by the idea :<
~Keaton the Black Jackal
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on June 01, 2008, 08:57:15 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on June 01, 2008, 08:48:36 PM
Personally, I think Jig is simply jealous because no-one has made a Last Resort fanfic yet >:3
Actually, I want to do one, but I'm seriously intimidated by the idea :<
~Keaton the Black Jackal
Hopefully once I reveal more of the general structure that'll help things along. *blush*
Quote from: Jigsaw Forte on June 01, 2008, 06:17:42 PM
Is it just me, or do I see Amber playing word of God with this Mini Arc...
*WHAM* "No Half-cubi for you!"
*WHAM* "No Undead Babies for you!"
*WHAM* "No Fae parentage for you!"
And with every page, more squealing fanfic writers die XD
She is well within her rights, since she created the world for which she is defining the rules.
To paraphrase some advice for writers I read somewhere:
The writer's job is harder than Gods, since in the real world if something stretches our credulity we can not be upset because it is real and right in front of us.
If you don't like it as a fan fiction writer you should make up your own world where you can make the rules.
Quote from: techmaster-glitch on June 01, 2008, 07:44:41 PM
Quote from: Jigsaw Forte on June 01, 2008, 06:17:42 PM
Is it just me, or do I see Amber playing word of God with this Mini Arc...
*WHAM* "No Half-cubi for you!"
*WHAM* "No Undead Babies for you!"
*WHAM* "No Fae parentage for you!"
And with every page, more squealing fanfic writers die XD
Good gods, she's playing Whack-A-Mole with the ficwriters! :U
As long as she doesn't touch the various Jyrras or Mab slash-fics, I'll be okay.
:D
Quote from: Alondro on June 01, 2008, 02:23:03 PMOne question though: What is the significance of 21 years old?
I too, am curious about this. Why the 21st hour of their 21st?
Quote from: Jigsaw Forte on June 01, 2008, 06:17:42 PM
Is it just me, or do I see Amber playing word of God with this Mini Arc...
*WHAM* "No Half-cubi for you!"
*WHAM* "No Undead Babies for you!"
*WHAM* "No Fae parentage for you!"
And with every page, more squealing fanfic writers die XD
Miss Williams is like a giant bug zapper for fanfic writers.
and oh yes, i kinda just KNOW someone is thinking 'but what if an undead bites a hollow before they die'- well not everyone would put two and two together, what with hollow being magic immune they'd just get a bite wound.
yay, i get to kill one possibility too!
QuoteIn films murders are always very clean. I show how difficult it is and what a messy thing it is to kill a man.
Quote from: Brunhidden on June 02, 2008, 01:12:55 AM
yay, i get to kill one possibility too!
the harder somebody tries to make something impossible, the more people try to find away around it, vexing the writer to no end.
if a writer pretty much says "it's not gonna happen" It. Will. Not. Happen. yes it's fun to speculate, but only along the lines of the topic keeping logic in mind, when that goes out the window, it only serves to irritate.
Quote from: ChaoSynergy on June 02, 2008, 12:56:37 AM
Quote from: Alondro on June 01, 2008, 02:23:03 PMOne question though: What is the significance of 21 years old?
I too, am curious about this. Why the 21st hour of their 21st?
Pity the persistent stupidity and ranting has driven the author off, otherwise you might have got an answer.
You know, though my question SOUNDS stupid, I actually was really curious about to what extent magic immunity goes. If it was like an null magic aura around them while they are alive, or if its something that lasts after death. It kind of applies to Ware human form too, just judging by the sudden mass negative rep, I chose the wrong way to express that curiousity 0.o
Quote from: Kuari on June 02, 2008, 07:25:08 AM
You know, though my question SOUNDS stupid, I actually was really curious about to what extent magic immunity goes. If it was like an null magic aura around them while they are alive, or if its something that lasts after death. It kind of applies to Ware human form too, just judging by the sudden mass negative rep, I chose the wrong way to express that curiousity 0.o
my guess is that the effect would be as if magic didn't exist at all.
Quote from: Turnsky on June 02, 2008, 07:26:54 AM
my guess is that the effect would be as if magic didn't exist at all.
Well that part is obvious, but I meant more along the lines of is it something only active in a living entity, or if its something built deep into their physical structure.
my guess is that it's like, a black hole, you throw light in it, it swallows it up with nary an effect, the same would be in this case, 'cept more localised and passive.
...let me simplify even further.
Active only while alive, or would the dead body still be immune to a magical fireball?
I meant the Hollow bone armor as SOMEWHAT of a joke. This is more of the question I was asking, just some people apparently took it WAY too seriously 0.o
I would suggest that perhaps this isn't a wise course of enquiry.
I would also suggest that chances are, nobody will ever know the answer to your question other than Amber herself, but based on what she's said, "while they're alive" is probably close enough.
Also "not enough of one to affect anything other than themselves" might be applicable here as well.
As ever, it's up to you what you do with that suggestion. I strongly recommend you think carefully, though.
Ahh, must have missed that bit, so kind of would hint at a while alive kind of thing. Fair enough, though quite frankly the biggest thing I'm wondering is why people are being so touchy about the whole subject -_-
Meh, whatever...
Quote from: ChaoSynergy on June 02, 2008, 12:56:37 AM
Quote from: Alondro on June 01, 2008, 02:23:03 PMOne question though: What is the significance of 21 years old?
I too, am curious about this. Why the 21st hour of their 21st?
'Cuz teh Amber sez so. :mwaha
Quote from: DarkAudit on June 02, 2008, 10:41:39 AM
'Cuz teh Amber sez so. :mwaha
That pretty sums up everyone's questions on the topic of Hollows XD
Anyways, since I'm commenting...aww D-: Poor Hollows
(Yes I know there's no point in saying that...but whatever. It's said.)
Heh, you ain't the only one, PurpleCheeseLlama. XP
Only, it's been awhile since I've been on here, and I just needed to post something. These Hollows are a pretty interesting concept. I must say that Amber has quite the imagination.
The Hollows are similar to humans born partially anencephalic, with just the brain stem and medulla to provide the autonomic nervous system controls.
No personality, no thought at all, not even instinctual actions, basically a living lump of flesh.
That is quite depressing, isn't it? :P
Quote from: Alondro on June 02, 2008, 06:32:03 PM
The Hollows are similar to humans born partially anencephalic, with just the brain stem and medulla to provide the autonomic nervous system controls.
No personality, no thought at all, not even instinctual actions, basically a living lump of flesh.
That is quite depressing, isn't it? :P
And most humans don't grow out of that stage. >:3
Awww, I got here too late. :<
Quote from: Joe3210 on June 02, 2008, 06:56:13 PM
Quote from: Alondro on June 02, 2008, 06:32:03 PM
The Hollows are similar to humans born partially anencephalic, with just the brain stem and medulla to provide the autonomic nervous system controls.
No personality, no thought at all, not even instinctual actions, basically a living lump of flesh.
That is quite depressing, isn't it? :P
And most humans don't grow out of that stage. >:3
And quite a few fall into this state when they see a glowing magic box of moving pictures.
On Topic
I don't know what you guys have trouble with No Fae Half breeds. They are nearly all powerful, and live forever, and there are 2,438,165 Fae, who like to co-play as any role they want... So If you want to be a Fae, go ahead. They are almost unlimited.
PBH
Quote from: Kuari on June 02, 2008, 07:45:24 AM
Ahh, must have missed that bit, so kind of would hint at a while alive kind of thing. Fair enough, though quite frankly the biggest thing I'm wondering is why people are being so touchy about the whole subject -_-
I guess because we're takling about them like inanimate objects. Even though they aren't really *alive* or sentient, they're still somebody's child. It's sort of like suggesting we make armor from corpses- we're supposed to honor the dead, not loot the corpse.
Quote from: Prof B Hunnydew on June 02, 2008, 11:44:18 PM
On Topic
I don't know what you guys have trouble with No Fae Half breeds. They are nearly all powerful, and live forever, and there are 2,438,165 Fae, who like to co-play as any role they want... So If you want to be a Fae, go ahead. They are almost unlimited.
I didn't realize the only problem people could have with things were fanfic/etc related. O_o
Quote from: Amber Williams on May 31, 2008, 11:52:41 PM
Quote from: Kibin on May 31, 2008, 11:51:16 PM
So what happens if you stick another soul in the hollow, after it's born? Is that possible? Does it turn off the counter to eventual death?
Souls dont work that way I am afraid. And the fact the hollow are magic immune sort of makes it pretty impossible to try.
sadly enough that is exactly what i'd want to do in the case of a hollow. i'm sure that in many cases the mortal parents would willing divide or give up there souls entirely for the sake of the child if they knew what was happening or going to happen. especially in the case of a cubi who are known for stealing souls. (even if the don't all do it.) as for being a fae, i tend to equate Fae to stars then live a long time (not forever as no one wants to live forever not even me) i look at fae like this. they are born and live their lives often many many lives then the die when they chose (go super nova) and that which made them what they are is almost instantly re compressed into a new fae (a new star is born form the ashes as it were of the old) what i don't understand is what happens to the mind/uniqueness of the expired fae. if you know what i mean
I suspect it's been tried, and failed spectacularly.
About uniqueness of expired Fae.. I suspect that most of it is actually kept: I liken it closer to a system complete reformat: The system is still technically the same afterwards...
But anyhow, I've a different question: Can Hollows die before their slated fate?
Side note: What exactly is a soul anyway, in terms of this universe? We already know it's possible to create life without berging 2 souls together.. (aka Deebs, unless the unstable magics had some summoning or soul-like properties)
Side, side note: Could there be a relationship between Hollows and Mows? Seeing that Mows did sort of involve cloning Mab, and since you can't make a proper clone due to the "limited souls" theory...
Random thought: Mab + Hollow = Mow?
Not so random Apology: Hope this isn't too much spectulating, but I'm trying to use more serious non-silly speculation..
Quote from: Psaakyrn on June 05, 2008, 11:12:46 PM
Side, side note: Could there be a relationship between Hollows and Mows? Seeing that Mows did sort of involve cloning Mab, and since you can't make a proper clone due to the "limited souls" theory...
It would make sense for them to be related since Mab was involved and Mows and Hollows share the trait of complete magic invulnerability.
This would make Mows cute soulless furnature eating machines.
:mowcookie
Quote from: Twist on June 06, 2008, 12:02:36 AM
Quote from: Psaakyrn on June 05, 2008, 11:12:46 PM
Side, side note: Could there be a relationship between Hollows and Mows? Seeing that Mows did sort of involve cloning Mab, and since you can't make a proper clone due to the "limited souls" theory...
It would make sense for them to be related since Mab was involved and Mows and Hollows share the trait of being compel magic invulnerability.
This would make Mows cute soulless furniture eating machines.
:mowcookie
That makes some sense - And with some magic energy going into their construction, any sentience they have could be because of it, just like with deebs.
I however doubt that they are much smarter than normal animals, however they are definitely able to move around on their own(unlike hollows), and distinguish friend(or, at least Mab) from foe.
Those are just my thoughts...
-RobbieThe1st
Quote from: Twist on June 06, 2008, 12:02:36 AM
This would make Mows cute soulless furnature eating machines.
:mowcookie
Cute soulless furniture-eating machines which if theory is to be followed to it's fullest extent, due to mysteriously go extinct within 21 years..
Quote from: RobbieThe1st on June 06, 2008, 12:25:59 AM
That makes some sense - And with some magic energy going into their construction, any sentience they have could be because of it, just like with deebs.
I however doubt that they are much smarter than normal animals, however they are definitely able to move around on their own(unlike hollows), and distinguish friend(or, at least Mab) from foe.
Those are just my thoughts...
-RobbieThe1st
It does beg the question of exactly how they gained "sentience", since magic shouldn't be the reason. Then again, Jyrras did somehow manage to create an electronic entity without obvious magic... technology is somehow involved, I presume. (which begs the question, how "magical" is technology?)
:mowhappy Remember, Mab's daughter is the result of a wandering fae essence, and a cup of Tea ...
Quote from: kaskar on June 06, 2008, 01:51:01 AM
:mowhappy Remember, Mab's daughter is the result of a wandering fae essence, and a cup of Tea ...
Which has nothing much to do with this at all. Care to explain your random comment?
Hmm, I just had a thought. What if a fae decided that their time had come, and rather than give their soul to a friend or put it up for auction or whatever, they decided to put it into a hollow? Would that hollow gain sentience and an infant mindset and all, or what?
Quote from: Aleolus on June 06, 2008, 02:33:25 AM
Hmm, I just had a thought. What if a fae decided that their time had come, and rather than give their soul to a friend or put it up for auction or whatever, they decided to put it into a hollow? Would that hollow gain sentience and an infant mindset and all, or what?
Quote from: Amber Williams on June 01, 2008, 01:57:24 PM
One really needs to consider how old the Fae are, and how much experience they have with dealing with other worlds/dimensions/realities. The average Fae can often live longer than the average civilization.
Part of the reason the Hollows are so depressing for the Fae is because despite this, its something even they can't quite "fix". And believe me, they have tried. It can go without saying that at some point it was likely every suggestion you guys have given has been tried...each time with the same result.
Thats something I keep needing to remind you guys about the Hybrid Genetics page: Fluffy isn't giving hypotheticals, she is giving straight up facts. If there was a chance for an exception, she would have added "with a rare exception of..."
Quote from: Psaakyrn on June 06, 2008, 01:50:22 AM
Quote from: RobbieThe1st on June 06, 2008, 12:25:59 AM
That makes some sense - And with some magic energy going into their construction, any sentience they have could be because of it, just like with deebs.
I however doubt that they are much smarter than normal animals, however they are definitely able to move around on their own(unlike hollows), and distinguish friend(or, at least Mab) from foe.
Those are just my thoughts...
-RobbieThe1st
It does beg the question of exactly how they gained "sentience", since magic shouldn't be the reason. Then again, Jyrras did somehow manage to create an electronic entity without obvious magic... technology is somehow involved, I presume. (which begs the question, how "magical" is technology?)
in that case Jyrras was connected with his daughter deebs by the screwdriver she was handing them. it magic is as many speculate mealy and form of energy then it could have completed the circuit and brought her to life. i say her because deebs called her sister and when had no ideal whats he was making at the time.
oh and average civilizations don't live very long i'd say. here on earth i'd say they aver a few hundred to a few thousand years. and on a planetary time scale a thousand years is still a very short time. not 50K to 100K thats a decent length of time for one a planetary time scale. and about the out limit of time i'd expects some one who can live as long as they choose to live there life before becoming bored with it and unable to expand or explore anything new of there own.
Quote from: Psaakyrn on June 05, 2008, 11:12:46 PM
But anyhow, I've a different question: Can Hollows die before their slated fate?
Why would they not? Didn't Amber mention something about Fae killing them at birth?
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on June 06, 2008, 03:58:55 AM
Quote from: Psaakyrn on June 05, 2008, 11:12:46 PM
But anyhow, I've a different question: Can Hollows die before their slated fate?
Why would they not? Didn't Amber mention something about Fae killing them at birth?
and escape wouldn't be plausible, either, they're like big meaty pinatas. >:3
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on June 06, 2008, 03:58:55 AM
Quote from: Psaakyrn on June 05, 2008, 11:12:46 PM
But anyhow, I've a different question: Can Hollows die before their slated fate?
Why would they not? Didn't Amber mention something about Fae killing them at birth?
Ok, I missed that, my mistake.. though considering it's Fae, killing may not necessarily be an easy process. The reason why I ask is because of both the Mow relationship (and those are indestructable, though killing and destructable are 2 seperate issues), and because they're mysterious. Too many strange issues with them, what with their complete soullessness and their precise death format.
Quote from: Psaakyrn on June 06, 2008, 09:07:50 AM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on June 06, 2008, 03:58:55 AM
Quote from: Psaakyrn on June 05, 2008, 11:12:46 PM
But anyhow, I've a different question: Can Hollows die before their slated fate?
Why would they not? Didn't Amber mention something about Fae killing them at birth?
Ok, I missed that, my mistake.. though considering it's Fae, killing may not necessarily be an easy process. The reason why I ask is because of both the Mow relationship (and those are indestructable, though killing and destructable are 2 seperate issues), and because they're mysterious. Too many strange issues with them, what with their complete soullessness and their precise death format.
Hollows are not Fae.
Quote from: DarkAudit on June 06, 2008, 01:04:23 PM
Quote from: Psaakyrn on June 06, 2008, 09:07:50 AM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on June 06, 2008, 03:58:55 AM
Quote from: Psaakyrn on June 05, 2008, 11:12:46 PM
But anyhow, I've a different question: Can Hollows die before their slated fate?
Why would they not? Didn't Amber mention something about Fae killing them at birth?
Ok, I missed that, my mistake.. though considering it's Fae, killing may not necessarily be an easy process. The reason why I ask is because of both the Mow relationship (and those are indestructable, though killing and destructable are 2 seperate issues), and because they're mysterious. Too many strange issues with them, what with their complete soullessness and their precise death format.
Hollows are not Fae.
Think I need to rephrase.. "...though considering it's Fae killing them..."
Quote from: Psaakyrn on June 06, 2008, 07:24:18 PM
Think I need to rephrase.. "...though considering it's Fae killing them..."
I can assure that that the Fae know how to hold a pillow over a sleeping infant just as well as any other race can.
Quote from: Amber Williams on June 06, 2008, 07:30:12 PM
Quote from: Psaakyrn on June 06, 2008, 07:24:18 PM
Think I need to rephrase.. "...though considering it's Fae killing them..."
I can assure that that the Fae know how to hold a pillow over a sleeping infant just as well as any other race can.
i'll be saddened and horrified if anybody tries to argue with that simple logic.. it's amazing how that many people didn't even think of that, they think "oh, magic immune, must be hard to kill", then i'm reminded of that scene in raiders of the lost ark, big tough guy wielding scimitar, looks downright tough to kill, then indy simply pulls out a revolver, and shoots him.
people never seem to realise that even though something is magical, or resistant to magics, physical trauma can affect just as well as it does in the real world.
That's was what I was checking, to see if they've more (or less) resemblence to Mows. I think we can probably conclude that the magic-immunity aspect of Mows and Hollows is just coincidence then.
Quote from: Psaakyrn on June 06, 2008, 07:24:18 PM
Quote from: DarkAudit on June 06, 2008, 01:04:23 PM
Quote from: Psaakyrn on June 06, 2008, 09:07:50 AM
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Quote from: Psaakyrn on June 05, 2008, 11:12:46 PM
But anyhow, I've a different question: Can Hollows die before their slated fate?
Why would they not? Didn't Amber mention something about Fae killing them at birth?
Ok, I missed that, my mistake.. though considering it's Fae, killing may not necessarily be an easy process. The reason why I ask is because of both the Mow relationship (and those are indestructable, though killing and destructable are 2 seperate issues), and because they're mysterious. Too many strange issues with them, what with their complete soullessness and their precise death format.
Hollows are not Fae.
Think I need to rephrase.. "...though considering it's Fae killing them..."
Ok. But there are no strange issues. They exist, they're immune to magic, they die. That's it. Anything else is risking a swat from the mods. I don't want to get swatted. D:
I'm sure Mows are just the cute little lovable mascots of DMFA and not to be taken seriously into discussions of this type.
Theorizing's great but the tone I'm reading from Amber basically means things along this line are to be kinda left alone at what's said in the Demonology. Aside from fleshing out the world and adding more dimensions to the Fae she seems to have preferred not to bring it up.
All that means is that for clarity's sake later on, we now know about the Hollows.(Probably)
I can see they fae killing a hollow as an act of kindness but i would have expected the fae to be able to prevent conception in most cases to prevent the necessity of killing the poor soulless child.
Sometimes the worlds we create are just as harsh and madding as the worlds in which we live.
Mows have at least animal intelligence, I'd guess that hollows might not have even that.
(And here I go posting to a thread that should have died out already.)