Poor Fo looks pretty terrified though. Somebody zap him a muffin stat!
Wow. I'm wondering whether or not Aniz will actually accept that proposal.
Or if he's actually going to answer any important questions. :P
Fo's expression was hardly the thing that struck me :erk
Curious. Very, very curious. My initial reaction was that she wanted him on-staff, though that would hardly help Abel. Then it occurred to me that she might want him to attend a course, something relating to ethics for example. Rehabilitation, I suppose after the mess he made with Abel and Hennya.
The other interesting thing is that if he refuses, the ban would tie in perfectly with Dan's coming into maturity.
Ooh, QUICK! SOMEBODY GET THE BIG RED DEAL OR NO DEAL BUTTON! D:
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 18, 2008, 04:15:03 PM
The other interesting thing is that if he refuses, the ban would tie in perfectly with Dan's coming into maturity.
Interesting indeed...I guess we'll see Aniz's response next week :-3
As the plot thickens so do the questions. Fa'lina really does care about everyone's well-being even if they do screw up as bad as Aniz did..but sometimes you have to let them go. Whatever Aniz is planning to do during his ban be it the fifty or 300 years, it'll be interesting to see how things develope now.
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 18, 2008, 04:15:03 PM
The other interesting thing is that if he refuses, the ban would tie in perfectly with Dan's coming into maturity.
Amber must enjoy messing with our minds like that, dropping vague hints at Edward actually being Aniz, only to make our brains melt when we find out that they were two different people.
Quote from: Zack on May 18, 2008, 04:25:03 PM
As the plot thickens so do the questions. Fa'lina really does care about everyone's well-being even if they do screw up as bad as Aniz did..but sometimes you have to let them go.
Well, Fa'Lina lost her entire clan, and it is like loosing your children. Also, nearly immortal creatures tend to cling to their past. But Fa'Lina's mission is truly noble. She does not want anyone to suffer what she had suffered and does everything to protect and help her fellow cubi. Even the a$$h0le$ like Aniz. :P
Quote from: Ren Gaulen on May 18, 2008, 04:31:15 PM
Quote from: Zack on May 18, 2008, 04:25:03 PM
As the plot thickens so do the questions. Fa'lina really does care about everyone's well-being even if they do screw up as bad as Aniz did..but sometimes you have to let them go.
Well, Fa'Lina lost her entire clan, and it is like loosing your children. Also, nearly immortal creatures tend to cling to their past. But Fa'Lina's mission is truly noble. She does not want anyone to suffer what she had suffered and does everything to protect and help her fellow cubi. Even the a$$h0le$ like Aniz. :P
She's kind of like a godmother to them all. Though she may be the most evil of them all she seems to have the biggest heart as well.
Quote from: Ren Gaulen on May 18, 2008, 04:31:15 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 18, 2008, 04:15:03 PM
The other interesting thing is that if he refuses, the ban would tie in perfectly with Dan's coming into maturity.
Amber must enjoy messing with our minds like that, dropping vague hints at Edward actually being Aniz, only to make our brains melt when we find out that they were two different people.
Huh? Mind explaining this train of thought? I'm not really sure I follow where Amber has dropped vauge hints that Edward and Aniz are the same person.
Could Aniz's rejection of the offer (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Ab_018.php) be the running away fast that Fa'lina referred to earlier? (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_489.php)
Could Aniz's clan have been dumb enough to try attacking their enemies at SAIA? Could that have been the cause of the ban? In retaliation for attacking SAIA, a ban on their children being accepted until certain conditions are met?
Fire away all you like. That figure you are shooting at on the tower is a dummy on a stick while I watch for your responses. (Of course, some will argue that dummy on a stick is my natural state, but I can live with that. Whether you're laughing with or against me, you're still laughing.)
Am I the only one that feels Fa'Lina is keeping him there to take care of/explain to Abel?
Thats what I thought the saving bit was about
Quote from: Saist on May 18, 2008, 04:37:58 PM
Quote from: Ren Gaulen on May 18, 2008, 04:31:15 PM
Amber must enjoy messing with our minds like that, dropping vague hints at Edward actually being Aniz, only to make our brains melt when we find out that they were two different people.
Huh? Mind explaining this train of thought? I'm not really sure I follow where Amber has dropped vauge hints that Edward and Aniz are the same person.
Mind reading Tape's words I quoted in my post? I was actually making fun of how lot's of people are making crazy theories about Edward being Aniz in disguise. I wasn't really being serious about it, just forgot to add this: " :B".
I dont doubt that the comic taking place 275 years after this and Aniz' ban are a complete coincidence, but I have my doubt(extreme one at that) That Aniz and Edward are one in the same person. I mean, if Edward were Aniz and he knew Destania was a Succubus, why hide his form at that point anymore? Moreover, Destania being a Cbui herself wouldve been able to figure over time that Edward was Aniz in disguise.....
Point being, Aniz might be relevant to Dan's story somehow, but not in the family relation department. That just my 2 cents.
Quote from: Teroniss on May 18, 2008, 04:59:35 PM
If Edward were Aniz and he knew Destania was a Succubus, why hide his form at that point anymore?
Because the guests at the inn would kill her first, and then
him.
QuoteMoreover, Destania being a Cubi herself wouldve been able to figure over time that Edward was Aniz in disguise.
Yes, but not necessarily immediately after being taken in by him. Indeed, one of the arguments in support of the theory is that this would explain why she didn't soul-destroy him.
If Edward were Aniz, Alexsi would be a succubus.
Quote from: Deebs' servant on May 18, 2008, 05:06:09 PM
If Edward were Aniz, Alexsi would be a succubus.
She may be a succubus in disguise!! :B :B :B :B
Quote from: Deebs' servant on May 18, 2008, 05:06:09 PM
If Edward were Aniz, Alexsi would be a succubus.
I suspect it's probabilistic whether you get a 'Cubi or a Being.
Quote from: Ren Gaulen on May 18, 2008, 05:08:21 PM
She may be a succubus in disguise!!
That I
would find hard to believe.
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 18, 2008, 05:09:43 PM
Quote from: Ren Gaulen on May 18, 2008, 05:08:21 PM
She may be a succubus in disguise!!
That I would find hard to believe.
I was joking anyway. :P Note the " :B :B :B :B". :3
Plus, Amber said that Abel has never met Edward before, so that might mean that would apply to Aniz, as well, if the two are in fact one in the same. Considering the two (Aniz and Abel) have met, I sort of doubt Aniz is Edward.
~Keaton the Black Jackal
As the person who came up with the Edward is Aniz theory, let me just say that not even I truly believe it. And I will defend it until someone can disprove it.
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on May 18, 2008, 05:35:59 PM
Plus, Amber said that Abel has never met Edward before, so that might mean that would apply to Aniz, as well, if the two are in fact one in the same. Considering the two (Aniz and Abel) have met, I sort of doubt Aniz is Edward.
You could also say that Abel has never met Cid. Edward may have been a real person at one point.
I find it interesting that this is taking 375 years in the past from the main comic. I don't think it's just a coincidence.
Quote from: Aniz"...I'm sorry my clan took that as a sign of weakness."
Initial reaction: Wait - Aniz's - clan - thud - dead.
Calm reaction: Hm. So how can she not have killed Aniz already for revenge? Or is her clan's genocide the whole reason she
hasn't killed him?
Quote from: Deebs' servant on May 18, 2008, 05:06:09 PM
If Edward were Aniz, Alexsi would be a succubus.
Not to mention, Dan would take more after Destania than just his wings.
Quote from: AndersW on May 18, 2008, 05:54:19 PM
I find it interesting that this is taking 375 years in the past from the main comic. I don't think it's just a coincidence.
.... (online calculator: 399-24=375)
Mein Gott, you're right. O_o Spoileriffic.
Quote from: Black_angel on May 18, 2008, 06:32:43 PM
Quote from: Aniz"...I'm sorry my clan took that as a sign of weakness."
Initial reaction: Wait - Aniz's - clan - thud - dead.
Calm reaction: Hm. So how can she not have killed Aniz already for revenge? Or is her clan's genocide the whole reason she hasn't killed him?
Thats easy, Fa'Lina got tired of the clans killing each other and created SAIA to stop the clan genocides. The reason she wouldn't kill Aniz(if his clan was responsible for her clan's death) is cuz she doesn't want Cubi's fighting clan wars anymore. Atleast, thats kinda the overall feel you get from Demo 101 and the Unwilling and Abel arch.
On the topic of "Who is responsible for the genocide of Fa'Lina's clan". I'm pretty sure that Aniz's clan has nothing to do with it. In fact, I have a feeling that it is dragons who are responsible. After all, there must be some reason for Destania to plan the extermination of entire dragon race - why, to avenge her old friend, since Fa'Lina isn't going to avenge herself.
Aniz stated that his clan viewed Fa'lina's actions as headmistress of SAIA as a sign of weakness, and Fa'lina formed SAIA after her clan was wiped out. Therefore, it seems unlikely that Aniz's clan wiped out Fa'lina's. However, it is possible that Aniz and Fa'lina share a bond because they both belong to clans that were virtually wiped out.
Quote from: Deebs' servant on May 18, 2008, 05:06:09 PM
If Edward were Aniz, Alexsi would be a succubus.
Quote from: AndersW on May 18, 2008, 05:54:19 PMQuote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on May 18, 2008, 05:35:59 PM
Plus, Amber said that Abel has never met Edward before, so that might mean that would apply to Aniz, as well, if the two are in fact one in the same. Considering the two (Aniz and Abel) have met, I sort of doubt Aniz is Edward.
You could also say that Abel has never met Cid. Edward may have been a real person at one point.
I find it interesting that this is taking 375 years in the past from the main comic. I don't think it's just a coincidence.
With this line of reasoning, Edward could have died off after Alexsi's birth and Quintinga's death and before "Edward"'s marriage to Destania. Perhaps the real "Edward" died in that interval of time and Aniz donned the shroud with an intent to reform his life.
This leads to the question of, "If this is the case, then was Destania in on it the whole time?" I say yes. Perhaps this was a way of fading into the darkness, a way of trying to smudge out the past.
The whole "captured by dragons" thing is highly suspicious, as well.
Quote from: Tycoon on May 18, 2008, 07:21:52 PM
With this line of reasoning, Edward could have died off after Alexsi's birth and Quintinga's death and before "Edward"'s marriage to Destania. Perhaps the real "Edward" died in that interval of time and Aniz donned the shroud with an intent to reform his life.
Alexsi and Dan (and Aniz for that matter) share the "Ti'Fiona tail". It's possible (assuming the theory is true) that Aniz just got lucky or was specifically looking for the same species of feline as his base type, but to be honest, I'd prefer to think Alexsi was a failed attempt at making a 'Cubi.
A DNA test would be interesting >:3
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 18, 2008, 07:28:07 PM
Quote from: Tycoon on May 18, 2008, 07:21:52 PM
With this line of reasoning, Edward could have died off after Alexsi's birth and Quintinga's death and before "Edward"'s marriage to Destania. Perhaps the real "Edward" died in that interval of time and Aniz donned the shroud with an intent to reform his life.
Alexsi and Dan (and Aniz for that matter) share the "Ti'Fiona tail". It's possible (assuming the theory is true) that Aniz just got lucky or was specifically looking for the same species of feline as his base type, but to be honest, I'd prefer to think Alexsi was a failed attempt at making a 'Cubi.
A DNA test would be interesting >:3
And who'd be able and willing to pin her down to get a blood sample? >:3
Quote from: Tycoon on May 18, 2008, 07:30:50 PM
And who'd be able and willing to pin her down to get a blood sample? >:3
Alexi? Nothing less than a dragon. Or four. Unless she has a war hammer hidden in the hyperspace next to the mallet.
Quote from: Black_angel on May 18, 2008, 06:32:43 PM
Quote from: Deebs' servant on May 18, 2008, 05:06:09 PM
If Edward were Aniz, Alexsi would be a succubus.
Not to mention, Dan would take more after Destania than just his wings.
Nope. The child of a Being/Cubi will look like the Being. For example, Abel looks like May.
If he stays (on staff or taking more classes), she can at least keep an eye on him, if not keep him under control. If he leaves (and I think he will), she has no control over him.
I was a little off on my numbers earlier, but it's still the idea that it's about time Aniz shows up again (unless he's been eliminated).
Reinforcing my thoughts on Aniz and Edward, Fa'lina told Abel that Dan is Edward's son, not Aniz's son... ok, now I can't find what I thought I remembered seeing. In #426 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_426.php) Abel presumably knows the relevant facts from Dan's folder. I could have sworn I recalled Fa'lina naming Dan as Edward's son at some point.
With cubi/cubi pairing, which does the offspring get their looks from then, a mix of both like any other?
Quote from: AmigaDragon on May 18, 2008, 08:46:41 PM
Reinforcing my thoughts on Aniz and Edward, Fa'lina told Abel that Dan is Edward's son, not Aniz's son... ok, now I can't find what I thought I remembered seeing. In #426 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_426.php) Abel presumably knows the relevant facts from Dan's folder. I could have sworn I recalled Fa'lina naming Dan as Edward's son at some point.
You are thinking of Ink in #527 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_527.php).
I feel he wants the ban off badly
you know, if Fa'lina wanted to be particularly cruel she would have him stay on as a female instructor or something...
Although I'm still fond of the demon eyes Kyo theory where Aniz and Cid are two separate individuals Being and Cubi that share the same body as a result of a magical accident that occurred fifty or sixty years earlier. I'm not sure if amber has negated this one or not.
Quote from: AndersW on May 18, 2008, 08:53:46 PM
Quote from: AmigaDragon on May 18, 2008, 08:46:41 PM
Reinforcing my thoughts on Aniz and Edward, Fa'lina told Abel that Dan is Edward's son, not Aniz's son... ok, now I can't find what I thought I remembered seeing. In #426 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_426.php) Abel presumably knows the relevant facts from Dan's folder. I could have sworn I recalled Fa'lina naming Dan as Edward's son at some point.
You are thinking of Ink in #527 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_527.php).
Actually, I think he's thinking of this one (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_426.php).
Quote from: AmigaDragon on May 18, 2008, 08:46:41 PM
With cubi/cubi pairing, which does the offspring get their looks from then, a mix of both like any other?
Not to mention what would the clan marking look like. Would it be the father's, the mother's, or neither one?
Quote from: Naldru on May 19, 2008, 12:22:33 AM
Quote from: AndersW on May 18, 2008, 08:53:46 PM
Quote from: AmigaDragon on May 18, 2008, 08:46:41 PM
Reinforcing my thoughts on Aniz and Edward, Fa'lina told Abel that Dan is Edward's son, not Aniz's son... ok, now I can't find what I thought I remembered seeing. In #426 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_426.php) Abel presumably knows the relevant facts from Dan's folder. I could have sworn I recalled Fa'lina naming Dan as Edward's son at some point.
You are thinking of Ink in #527 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_527.php).
Actually, I think he's thinking of this one (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_426.php).
426 is where he first hears Dan's name, but 527 is the one I was misremembering as Edward being mentioned. There's obviously
something between Abel and the Ti'fiona family, particularly with Edward as was implied by Ink.
Quote from: Ren Gaulen on May 18, 2008, 07:33:27 PM
Quote from: Tycoon on May 18, 2008, 07:30:50 PM
And who'd be able and willing to pin her down to get a blood sample? >:3
Alexi? Nothing less than a dragon. Or four. Unless she has a war hammer hidden in the hyperspace next to the mallet.
Yeah, just throw a dragon or four at a Ti'Fiona? Smart move, that. :>
Anyway, my first thoughts on the comic were: If he runs, then his return to the academy should tie in nicely with the main storyline, and would kind of explain an odd question (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol740.jpg) Abel asked... Though that may well have been explained and I'm just being stupid. Either way. :]
If he stays... Well, fun, controversy, traumatised Abel, and whoo.
Now, on the whole Edward = Aniz thing (which I personally don't believe), perhaps he really was a 'cubi and Destania knew about it - hence why she didn't steal his soul. I mean, she was going to for a second there. (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol298.jpg)
And on the whole Alexsi thing (if Aniz was Alexsi's father, she should be a cubi),
pairing up with a creature more powerful than themselves usually results in non-cubi children. (http://www.missmab.com/Demo/Images/HG_02.jpg) Though that would imply, even if Alexsi were not a cubi, she would still have power. She appears to me as a normal being. :V
...Though come to think of it, she has apparently only been bested in combat by three different people...Hm, and looking at her cast page, the mallet was apparently her mother's - her mother whom apparently died because of 'unsaid reasons'.
I also quite like Tycoon's logic earlier on in the thread, if you want more to think about.
Still, I think Edward Ti'Fiona is simply... well known. Very well known. Well known enough to cause suspicious reactions from creatures. :)
I mean, after all, he did somehow disarm a cubi who was supposedly a cold-hearted creature that taught torture and stuff and at one point wanted to use children and stuff in her lessons. That takes a bit of skill, y'know.
Well, that's my tuppence.
I like this whole thinking-too-much thing. It's fun. :B
Whatever the case is, I foresee many more twists and turns throughout the rest of the season and the next with a medium to high chance of brain explosions or implosions. Now back to you, [generic reporter name here]. :3
Quote from: Ren Gaulen on May 18, 2008, 07:33:27 PM
Quote from: Tycoon on May 18, 2008, 07:30:50 PM
And who'd be able and willing to pin her down to get a blood sample? >:3
Alexi? Nothing less than a dragon. Or four. Unless she has a war hammer hidden in the hyperspace next to the mallet.
I can think of one dragon that could 'pin' her down easy. :U
Quote from: Mwa on May 19, 2008, 03:30:28 AM
Quote from: Ren Gaulen on May 18, 2008, 07:33:27 PM
Quote from: Tycoon on May 18, 2008, 07:30:50 PM
And who'd be able and willing to pin her down to get a blood sample? >:3
Alexi? Nothing less than a dragon. Or four. Unless she has a war hammer hidden in the hyperspace next to the mallet.
I can think of one dragon that could 'pin' her down easy. :U
...:<
Now you have me imagining it! >:O
Quote from: AmigaDragon on May 18, 2008, 08:46:41 PM
With cubi/cubi pairing, which does the offspring get their looks from then, a mix of both like any other?
We don't know. It's something I've long been curious about, though.
Quote from: Shadrok on May 19, 2008, 12:54:26 AM
Not to mention what would the clan marking look like. Would it be the father's, the mother's, or neither one?
That we do know. The child is affiliated with the stronger clan.
Quote from: Victoire Épique on May 19, 2008, 03:27:02 AM
And on the whole Alexsi thing (if Aniz was Alexsi's father, she should be a cubi), pairing up with a creature more powerful than themselves usually results in non-cubi children. (http://www.missmab.com/Demo/Images/HG_02.jpg) Though that would imply, even if Alexsi were not a cubi, she would still have power. She appears to me as a normal being. :V
I'm not sure how you're getting that out of the text, but it does imply - twice - that the child is not guaranteed to be a 'Cubi. I'd go by the 3/4 rule at a guess.
QuoteI mean, after all, he did somehow disarm a cubi who was supposedly a cold-hearted creature that taught torture and stuff and at one point wanted to use children and stuff in her lessons. That takes a bit of skill, y'know.
I still say he's 'Cubi, Aniz or no. Destania's change more likely came from motherhood - things like that do happen to people.
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 19, 2008, 04:11:40 AM
Quote from: Victoire Épique on May 19, 2008, 03:27:02 AM
And on the whole Alexsi thing (if Aniz was Alexsi's father, she should be a cubi), pairing up with a creature more powerful than themselves usually results in non-cubi children. (http://www.missmab.com/Demo/Images/HG_02.jpg) Though that would imply, even if Alexsi were not a cubi, she would still have power. She appears to me as a normal being. :V
I'm not sure how you're getting that out of the text, but it does imply - twice - that the child is not guaranteed to be a 'Cubi. I'd go by the 3/4 rule at a guess.
Well, if her mother were more powerful than a cubi, one would think there'd be some kind of passage of power. Not necessarily true, but that's just the impression I have. I could very easily be wrong, of course. :]
'Sides. The Ti'Fionas are interesting enough as it is...
Quote
QuoteI mean, after all, he did somehow disarm a cubi who was supposedly a cold-hearted creature that taught torture and stuff and at one point wanted to use children and stuff in her lessons. That takes a bit of skill, y'know.
I still say he's 'Cubi, Aniz or no. Destania's change more likely came from motherhood - things like that do happen to people.
I wasn't really being serious about that one. :>
I admit that the side for Edward being a cubi seems pretty strong, but I don't like how Alexsi fits into it - she seems like a hole in the argument, which is why I was thinking about how it would be possible. That I can't think of anything really conclusive is the only reason I don't believe Ed's a cubi.
Quote from: Victoire Épique on May 19, 2008, 04:41:13 AM
Well, if her mother were more powerful than a cubi, one would think there'd be some kind of passage of power. Not necessarily true, but that's just the impression I have. I could very easily be wrong, of course. :]
Ah, I see - you're assuming the mother was also a Creature. I may have nailed my flag to the Aniz-Edward theory, but I don't see Quin being anything other than a Being with what we know so far.
QuoteI admit that the side for Edward being a cubi seems pretty strong, but I don't like how Alexsi fits into it - she seems like a hole in the argument, which is why I was thinking about how it would be possible.
There are flaws in the theory, but I don't think they're large enough to sink it so far. There are bigger holes in the idea of Aniz being
Abel's father and it happened, so I think it's just that there are some pieces missing.
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 19, 2008, 04:55:14 AM
Ah, I see - you're assuming the mother was also a Creature. I may have nailed my flag to the Aniz-Edward theory, but I don't see Quin being anything other than a Being with what we know so far.
True... But then that makes Alexsi even more confusing. =/
I'm pretty sure that being + cubi = cubi.
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There are flaws in the theory, but I don't think they're large enough to sink it so far. There are bigger holes in the idea of Aniz being Abel's father and it happened, so I think it's just that there are some pieces missing.
I'm not really sure on how, but I'm happy to accept that Aniz being Abel's father is a bit holey.
You're right that the flaws aren't major enough to pose a problem, it's just a bit irritating.
Though I trust everything will be explained in time. :]
Some important things are going on, after all. I suspect we're approaching the midpoint of all this confusion.
Aniz did kill Cid-- what is there to stop him from killing Edward after Alexsi was already born?
All I know is, I just want to give Fa'Lina a biiiiig hug. Especially with her expression in panel 3. :(
Although... looking back at the older pictures of Fa'Lina, it's a little surprising to see how much Amber's style has continued to develop. She looks even more awesome now. :P
it's not like there is a true continuity in the DMFA universes, we only have the altered perceptions of specific individuals through which the story is centered... which means I can get away with practically anything within the realm of plausibility.
For instance I can argue that this isn't truly Abel's first adventure so much as the first one we are exposed too. I still think he had to have been traumatized in someway to react so juvenile to the earlier threat, considering the fact 23 is considered grown for a being, and he would have had some experience dealing with life at that point.
although we could argue that Abel hasn't been exposed to the shear amount of graphic violence humans have been exposed to over the centuries...
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 18, 2008, 05:03:28 PM
Quote from: Teroniss on May 18, 2008, 04:59:35 PM
If Edward were Aniz and he knew Destania was a Succubus, why hide his form at that point anymore?
Because the guests at the inn would kill her first, and then him.
I'd have to wonder just how many guests were on the verge of violence at that point, if that were the case. I mean, an experienced aventurer is no match for an average succubus, and it seems like two cubi, both who've lived for centuries, would be more than a match for a dozen of them.
But what do I know? :B
Quote from: Goatmon on May 19, 2008, 01:33:19 PM
I'd have to wonder just how many guests were on the verge of violence at that point, if that were the case. I mean, an experienced aventurer is no match for an average succubus, and it seems like two cubi, both who've lived for centuries, would be more than a match for a dozen of them.
But what do I know? :B
Well, although Aniz went all 'rampage mode' afterwards, Hennya did get a good hit on him.
Then again, Aniz did play an adventurer while being Cid, so he was probably just taken off-guard.
Quote from: Goatmon on May 19, 2008, 01:33:19 PM
I'd have to wonder just how many guests were on the verge of violence at that point, if that were the case. I mean, an experienced aventurer is no match for an average succubus, and it seems like two cubi, both who've lived for centuries, would be more than a match for a dozen of them.
I think it's a bit more evenly-matched than that, SAIA having been founded to try and protect 'Cubi from adventurers and suchlike. Besides, Dee was still very weak at that point so she wouldn't have posed much of a problem to a band of warriors. Depending on how many adventurers there were, there may well have been enough of them to take Edward-Aniz down as well
en masse, though he'd likely get a few in the process.
Perhaps a bit more even, but I'd say that since he took down a very pissed off creature (Henya) on insticts alone, some 300+ years prior, he's probably able to handle a good number of adventurers alone.
However we have no idea how many there were, so there's no way to tell what the actual odds were.
Mind you I'm not agreeing/disagreeing with the Aniz is Edward theory. But I can't resist gnawing on interesting scenarios. :U
Hmmm...remembering that wing tentacles can be very very sharp, would the ultimate defense for a cubi be a spinning ball with 'sword tentacles' spun out in every direction? I suppose that would work until one had a fire spell or other...also wondering that though they are sharp enough to cleave right through flesh, could they cut steel? Is there a limit to number of tentacles?
Quote from: Goatmon on May 19, 2008, 01:33:19 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 18, 2008, 05:03:28 PM
Quote from: Teroniss on May 18, 2008, 04:59:35 PM
If Edward were Aniz and he knew Destania was a Succubus, why hide his form at that point anymore?
Because the guests at the inn would kill her first, and then him.
I'd have to wonder just how many guests were on the verge of violence at that point, if that were the case. I mean, an experienced aventurer is no match for an average succubus, and it seems like two cubi, both who've lived for centuries, would be more than a match for a dozen of them.
But what do I know? :B
Look. Aniz was running a business. Revealing that he was a cubi might be bad for business. I remember a quote from a person explaining how Christians and Muslims could work together in war-torn Beirut: Look. War is war, but business is business.
Quote from: Deebs' servant on May 19, 2008, 02:13:17 PM
...also wondering that though they are sharp enough to cleave right through flesh, could they cut steel? Is there a limit to number of tentacles?
A well-trained incubus can crush/cut rocks, so probably, yes. I'd have to dig up the reference, but IIRC there is no fixed limit. However it's not usual to have more than 4 or so which is about the limit for them to be controlled reflexively, like Dan's. Any more than that and they have to be consciously-controlled which becomes correspondingly more difficult as the number of limbs increases.
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 20, 2008, 09:31:39 AM
A well-trained incubus can crush/cut rocks, so probably, yes. I'd have to dig up the reference, but IIRC there is no fixed limit. However it's not usual to have more than 4 or so which is about the limit for them to be controlled reflexively, like Dan's. Any more than that and they have to be consciously-controlled which becomes correspondingly more difficult as the number of limbs increases.
Sort of like patting your belly whilst rubbing your head, only, since you also have the arms and legs and back-wings and head-wings to deal with, you're talking orders of magnitude harder for each additional tentacle.
Sure you can pass off some of the wings and arms and legs to your subconscious, but that results in a less effective use... and if you drop your tentacles to the same thing, you end up having them ... attack the sink, for example, which, while impressive and interesting, isn't exactly useful.
I'd think that 4 or 6 or so would be about the effective maximum anyway; that's 6-10 effective limbs to control (depending on if you count the legs or not; 2 legs, 2 arms, 2 wings, 4 tentacles) mid-battle; even that's going to be fairly tricky unless you're extremely well practised. There are going to be exceptions - people who are naturally good at it, or who have practised a lot, or both - but by and large, anyone using tentacles is likely to fall back to using two, more or less, in my opinion. Although there might be two more floating around, watching things, chances are they'll use two mainly and two minor, and mostly avoid using arms or legs at the same time; using the tentacles as extremely long and agile arms, sort of thing.
In a related point, I'm not sure if Megan would be naturally gifted, or naturally disadvantaged, there; since she has more limbs to start with, the part of her brain controlling limbs may be much larger and hence more able to deal with more limbs; or it may be much larger, but already over-subscribed, as it were, and hence she'd be more clumsy. Flip a coin; either way is equally likely, on basis of the information we have to hand.
All this is, of course, my 2p, and not canon. It makes sense, but we all know that Amber is really really good at whipping out that steamroller. ;-]
Hmmm, is anyone else thinking this is Fa'Lina's way of telling Aniz "Stay with me, that's all I'm wanting, but can't actually say it." Now I understand why Aniz couldn't profess his love for Abel's mother, he was already in love with Fa'Lina, superintendent of the Cubi Academy! It all makes perfect sense now! Love will triumph in the end, Fa'Lina, you may be certain of that!
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Where do I get some of whatever it is that you're smoking?
It's called "Refuses to believe that people can be evil until given absolutely no alternative, and will take any possible alternative, no matter how ridiculous"
The number of tentacles question has come up before. And was answered by Amber.
Quote from: Amber Williams on April 03, 2008, 07:18:54 AM
A Cubi can make a dozen tentacles from their wings if they really wanted to. Its more about the skill level one can handle since after a certain point, they have to put their own concentration into moving all those parts. The average Cubi tends to base off around 4-5 tendrils naturally, though some have been known to do 8.
And really...anything more than that is just excessive and most Cubi know that a dozen tentacles can become a hazard moreso than a benefit.
Ah, so my finger in the wind was about accurate. Good to know... ;-]
(although I like Amber's phrasing more than mine *grin*)
Quote from: Aleolus on May 21, 2008, 11:23:09 PM
It's called "Refuses to believe that people can be evil until given absolutely no alternative, and will take any possible alternative, no matter how ridiculous"
I don't think that Aniz was in love with Fa'lina, but I do think that they were good friends until unfortunate circumstances forced them to be on different sides.
I also believe that both Aniz and Abel are trying to make careers out of being jerks, and are neurotically unable to admit that they care for anybody else, a situation that makes their lives miserable although they will never admit that either.
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 20, 2008, 09:31:39 AM
Quote from: Deebs' servant on May 19, 2008, 02:13:17 PM
...also wondering that though they are sharp enough to cleave right through flesh, could they cut steel? Is there a limit to number of tentacles?
A well-trained incubus can crush/cut rocks, so probably, yes.
That might depend on how they hit. If you strike edge to edge or edge to flat. You could possibly cut (break) a sword with another sword if you strike the flat of one with the edge of the other. It wouldn't do the edge any good (just like an edge to edge strike wouldn't either, you'd still have to sharpen it again) but the edgewise sword would have the benefit of stiffness over the flatside one. Though it also depends on the quality and toughness of either sword.
Back to tentacle vs. sword... How hard can they become?