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Title: 01/30/08 [DMFA #872] - To the death
Post by: Caswin on January 29, 2008, 11:36:51 PM
i are serious poster

this is serious talkback

third panel is awesum
Title: Re: 1/30/08 [DMFA #872] - To the death
Post by: Darkmoon on January 29, 2008, 11:37:23 PM
She really does make that face, too. I've seen her make it.
Title: Re: 1/30/08 [DMFA #872] - To the death
Post by: Pagan on January 29, 2008, 11:41:05 PM
Has she ever made that face while wrapped in a green blanket/sleeping bag with antena on her head?

I'm thinking that drama crane will win. Because she is serious about the fight and comedy will take it too lightly.
Title: Re: 1/30/08 [DMFA #872] - To the death
Post by: e_voyager on January 29, 2008, 11:42:16 PM
does this mean you're her inspiration for fluffy? but seriously loved the strip. now all she needs is and announcer crane
Title: Re: 1/30/08 [DMFA #872] - To the death
Post by: thegayhare on January 29, 2008, 11:50:04 PM
Honestly I loved this comic

Amber is just so cute in the last panel.


But when is Amber taking her trip?

I've got cream soda fudge for her and now I'm not sure where to send it.
Title: Re: 1/30/08 [DMFA #872] - To the death
Post by: techmaster-glitch on January 29, 2008, 11:50:27 PM
Wow. While I didn't laugh out loud, I am smiling very much. This is probably one of the best comics I've seen in a while. You rock, Amber.
Title: Re: 1/30/08 [DMFA #872] - To the death
Post by: pyrohamster on January 29, 2008, 11:52:51 PM
Welcome to America, Amber!
Title: Re: 1/30/08 [DMFA #872] - To the death
Post by: WhiteFox on January 30, 2008, 01:03:52 AM
Dear Amber:

Most of the people who send you mail must be fifteen. Or less.

kthxbai,
-WhiteFox

Thing is, the drama wouldn't be dramatic if there weren't some humor in there to lighten things up for a minute. Otherwise it'd be like this (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_111.php) all the time. Which might be fun. For 5 strips. If that.

On the other hand, outright silliness gets kind of tiresome. Quickly. I actually prefer the "Smile on your face" humor DMFA employs.
Title: Re: 1/30/08 [DMFA #872] - To the death
Post by: Kayriel on January 30, 2008, 01:15:58 AM
i are serious archseraph

Dear Amber:

DON'T CHANGE A THING!

Signed, Cookie-lover.

There we go. The rest of you stop complaining, she's got the right mix of humour and intrigue running through her story so far. It's hard to find someone who's a good artist and a good writer at the same time. >\ Be blessed, children.
Title: Re: 1/30/08 [DMFA #872] - To the death
Post by: rabid_fox on January 30, 2008, 03:12:57 AM

Change everything. Kill off all the character and start a comic featuring only inanimate objects. I tell you, the post-modernists will love it.

Jeez, I have a real grudge against the characters lately. It used to just be Lorenda.
Title: Re: 1/30/08 [DMFA #872] - To the death
Post by: Snap on January 30, 2008, 04:15:48 AM
Heres me hoping the nostalgic funny "back to the roots" idea rips at least some junks out of the dramaqueen. Abel is my favourite character, and im still reading over his first arc with dan (a great example how a combination of great humor and storytelling along with character development can work/should be done) every two weeks, but his story has left me frustrated more than once (and while that maybe Ambers aim, i dont really feel entertained) and i stopped anticipating it.

So i guess keep everything like it is, and please dont mix abels story "epic lord of the rings timeline drama"-storytelling and dmfas "puts a big grin on my face and brightens my day"-humor. 
Title: Re: 1/30/08 [DMFA #872] - To the death
Post by: Stig Hemmer on January 30, 2008, 06:55:37 AM
Just goes to show, you can't please everybody.

I have seen some artists go nuts trying to please everybody... it is not a pretty sight.

In the end, your most important audience is yourself.  Make the comic what you want it to be.
Title: Re: 1/30/08 [DMFA #872] - To the death
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on January 30, 2008, 09:41:26 AM
Quote from: Stig Hemmer on January 30, 2008, 06:55:37 AM
Just goes to show, you can't please everybody.

I have seen some artists go nuts trying to please everybody... it is not a pretty sight.

In the end, your most important audience is yourself.  Make the comic what you want it to be.

QFT.
Title: Re: 1/30/08 [DMFA #872] - To the death
Post by: Goatmon on January 30, 2008, 10:10:25 AM
See, this is why I dislike forwarding my thoughts to a comic creator unless I think there's a genuine problem with the series; Just because you don't like the direction it's been going on that doesn't mean there's anything wrong with it.  Asking the creator to change the flow of the story to suit what you want is selfish; Just because you want it that way that doesn't mean it will please everyone else. 


Quote from: Stig Hemmer on January 30, 2008, 06:55:37 AM
Just goes to show, you can't please everybody.

I have seen some artists go nuts trying to please everybody... it is not a pretty sight.

In the end, your most important audience is yourself.  Make the comic what you want it to be.

Bam!  You get a cookie!

(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y58/Goatmon/evilcookie.jpg)
Title: Re: 1/30/08 [DMFA #872] - To the death
Post by: Tapewolf on January 30, 2008, 10:20:33 AM
Quote from: Goatmon on January 30, 2008, 10:10:25 AM
Asking the creator to change the flow of the story to suit what you want is selfish; Just because you want it that way that doesn't mean it will please everyone else.
Indeed.  Personally, I think the balance is about right.

QuoteBam!  You get a cookie!
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y58/Goatmon/evilcookie.jpg)
You know, I don't think I've ever seen one of those come out properly before.  Usually they're grotesquely disfigured in some way, where the white filling for the eyes sort of splurges everywhere or drools out of its mouth or something.
Title: Re: 1/30/08 [DMFA #872] - To the death
Post by: rt on January 30, 2008, 10:31:45 AM
Eek that is one seriosly creepily happy cookie!

Now to stand by and watch the cranes fight .. hmm needs more fire i think to liven things up  :mowhappy
Title: Re: 1/30/08 [DMFA #872] - To the death
Post by: Alondro on January 30, 2008, 10:45:13 AM
The cookie looks kinda like the face from the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man.  :3

Congrats to Amber on reaching the level of fan warfare that only the most popular comics attain!   :mowmeep
Title: Re: 1/30/08 [DMFA #872] - To the death
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on January 30, 2008, 11:00:06 AM
... Staypuft warfare? Yeah, I could go for a snack...
Title: Re: 1/30/08 [DMFA #872] - To the death
Post by: Kenji on January 30, 2008, 01:47:23 PM
Stop Origami Pit Fights. Every month, thousands of Origami animals are killed by vicious paper cuts. Please. Think of the origami animals. :<
Title: Re: 1/30/08 [DMFA #872] - To the death
Post by: Tapewolf on January 30, 2008, 01:59:46 PM
Quote from: Kenji on January 30, 2008, 01:47:23 PM
Stop Origami Pit Fights. Every month, thousands of Origami animals are killed by vicious paper cuts. Please. Think of the origami animals. :<

Full-contact Origami? (http://www-users.cs.york.ac.uk/~susan/joke/essay.htm)
Title: Re: 1/30/08 [DMFA #872] - To the death
Post by: Amber Williams on January 30, 2008, 03:12:26 PM
This particular QfR is a unique one in that I had to paraphrase more than use any direct quotes from actual emails.  It's very rare that people email me these two particular complaints directly.  However, I tend to find these two sentiments in places where I doubt the people typing them are actually expecting me to read them. Other forums, discussion boards, chans, and various other places.

I usually get hese two schools of thought, along with the one where the person says the comic is bad due to its use of either furries/anime style/pg rating. Or the comment about how they couldn't get into the comic because they couldn't last through the first couple of storyarchs.  It's not really distressing to me, and I can definately see their reasonings.  But I also realize I will never make everyone happy and no matter where I go there will be someone who thinks my comic is terrible...or it was once good but now is terrible...or etc.

I never really hold any pretense in that I view DMFA as a comedy-first/story-second strip.  Though I do realize that there are going to be times when the comedy is going to end up stepping on the toes of the story. And that some people are going to be focusing on the story aspect and thus not be able to tell when I'm doing something simply because I find it funny.  I've always held that my reason for this is because I find it sometimes very depressing to go to my favorite comics and be hit with a major wall of depressing seriousness.  I've seen more comics than I'd like take the plunge from a comedy-centered strip into a more dramatic and story-centered focus.  And while they still try to keep the funny...it's off and not quite the same.

It's also a trend in anime, and one of the main reasons I stopped watching anime.  You have a 20 episode season of wacky antics then are suddenly trampled by dramatic plot in the last two.

In the end, I try for the most part to keep a decent balance. And really while I don't always show it, I do try to keep criticisms and the general feel of my audience in mind when I'm doing the comic.  There are some points where it is unfortunately a case where everyone has to hang on for a few strips and ride it out...but if I was getting the implication multiple people were genuinely concerned or displeased with a trend...I try to step back and consider my current course of actions.

And truthfully, I do it because I realize I might not see the storm on the wind since I'm the one doing the comic.  As a reader of other comics, I have seen a couple where I can't help but feel they really. should. have. stopped months to years ago.  And I do worry that if I was to ever fall into a spiral like that, I wouldn't see it coming since I was the one doing it.  So I try to keep alert.

I dont think DMFA is going to last forever. And I dont doubt I will gain and lose readers as their and my own tastes and preferences evolve and differ.  However, I like to think that I'm not beyond reproach and that if I was able to see an overall dissatisfaction amongst readers and people commenting...that I would be able to note that and if it is a problem, fix it.
Title: Re: 1/30/08 [DMFA #872] - To the death
Post by: Alondro on January 30, 2008, 03:26:29 PM
Quote from: Amber Williams on January 30, 2008, 03:12:26 PM

I dont think DMFA is going to last forever. And I dont doubt I will gain and lose readers as their and my own tastes and preferences evolve and differ.  However, I like to think that I'm not beyond reproach and that if I was able to see an overall dissatisfaction amongst readers and people commenting...that I would be able to note that and if it is a problem, fix it.

Dear Amber,

I think DMFA is bad because it's not going to last forever.  You should become immortal so you can make DMFA until the universe experiences heat death, or a new universe explodes in to fill the void, in which case you should then become the god of the new universe and make Furrae fur-real and then the comic can have real life! 

PS:  I have a lot of patience when reading/watching stories I like... I watched DBZ.. the whole thing... twice...

I can withstand anything.   8)
Title: Re: 1/30/08 [DMFA #872] - To the death
Post by: Amber Williams on January 30, 2008, 03:31:29 PM
Quote from: Alondro on January 30, 2008, 03:26:29 PM
Dear Amber,

I think DMFA is bad because it's not going to last forever.  You should become immortal so you can make DMFA until the universe experiences heat death, or a new universe explodes in to fill the void, in which case you should then become the god of the new universe and make Furrae fur-real and then the comic can have real life! 

PS:  I have a lot of patience when reading/watching stories I like... I watched DBZ.. the whole thing... twice...

I can withstand anything.   8)

...I'm totally making Charline a super-nice and friendly Cubi who feeds off comfort in DMFA now. :V
Title: Re: 1/30/08 [DMFA #872] - To the death
Post by: Alondro on January 30, 2008, 03:36:45 PM
Quote from: Amber Williams on January 30, 2008, 03:31:29 PM
Quote from: Alondro on January 30, 2008, 03:26:29 PM
Dear Amber,

I think DMFA is bad because it's not going to last forever.  You should become immortal so you can make DMFA until the universe experiences heat death, or a new universe explodes in to fill the void, in which case you should then become the god of the new universe and make Furrae fur-real and then the comic can have real life! 

PS:  I have a lot of patience when reading/watching stories I like... I watched DBZ.. the whole thing... twice...

I can withstand anything.   8)

...I'm totally making Charline a super-nice and friendly Cubi who feeds off comfort in DMFA now. :V

*Charline nuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu!!!*  Why did Charles have to be so stupid? Why!?!  WHY!!!!?  How could a little fool like him destroy all my beautiful wickedness!?   'A'

*sobs and resigns herself to knitting doilies for recliners*   :C
Title: Re: 1/30/08 [DMFA #872] - To the death
Post by: Aleolus on January 30, 2008, 03:58:40 PM
Quote from: Alondro on January 30, 2008, 03:36:45 PM
Quote from: Amber Williams on January 30, 2008, 03:31:29 PM
Quote from: Alondro on January 30, 2008, 03:26:29 PM
Dear Amber,

I think DMFA is bad because it's not going to last forever.  You should become immortal so you can make DMFA until the universe experiences heat death, or a new universe explodes in to fill the void, in which case you should then become the god of the new universe and make Furrae fur-real and then the comic can have real life! 

PS:  I have a lot of patience when reading/watching stories I like... I watched DBZ.. the whole thing... twice...

I can withstand anything.   8)

...I'm totally making Charline a super-nice and friendly Cubi who feeds off comfort in DMFA now. :V

*Charline nuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu!!!*  Why did Charles have to be so stupid? Why!?!  WHY!!!!?  How could a little fool like him destroy all my beautiful wickedness!?   'A'

*sobs and resigns herself to knitting doilies for recliners*   :C

There, there, Charline, you can be nice and still have fun with people.  It's called pranks!   :giggle
Title: Re: 1/30/08 [DMFA #872] - To the death
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on January 30, 2008, 05:04:27 PM
Quote from: Amber Williams on January 30, 2008, 03:31:29 PM
...I'm totally making Charline a super-nice and friendly Cubi who feeds off comfort in DMFA now. :V

Bwahahahahahahahaha! Go on, dooo eeet! You know you want to! ;-]
Title: Re: 1/30/08 [DMFA #872] - To the death
Post by: Wanderer on January 30, 2008, 05:13:01 PM
Quote from: Amber Williams on January 30, 2008, 03:12:26 PM

It's also a trend in anime, and one of the main reasons I stopped watching anime.  You have a 20 episode season of wacky antics then are suddenly trampled by dramatic plot in the last two.
I believe my response to that is that you need to watch some better anime. :P

No really, there's good stuff that doesn't play bait-and-switch with you like that. Anime contains some of everything, so you've just got to look for the right stuff.

Quote...I'm totally making Charline a super-nice and friendly Cubi who feeds off comfort in DMFA now.
:goamber *chokes laughing* Good Heavens, that's the funniest thing I've heard in a long time. I have got to see that.
Title: Re: 1/30/08 [DMFA #872] - To the death
Post by: TheDeere on January 30, 2008, 05:34:32 PM
Hi Amber! I had to weigh in on this one. I love the balance you're maintaining right now, the comic's been a great pleasure to read since the beginning. :)

I also look forward with great anticipation to a real adventurous showdown between Dan and Dark Pegasus! That's something I've been waiting for since the introduction of their conflict. >:)

I know what you mean about great comics "going bad" ... Even when it happens though, you know what the author is capable of and can hope they'll recover their stride. So as long as the strip continues to run you have hope. Look what happened with Sluggy Freelance (if you follow Sluggy). <I know I'm gonna take some heat for this but hey I can take it>

Sluggy got bogged down into a year-long slog of Vampire plotline a couple years ago that became a morass of misery for me. I got so I'd only check it every few weeks. I have nothing against vampires but I think the author Pete simply ran low on inspiriation for that dreadful time.

Now? I'd say it's right back up to it's original level of niftyness or even beyond! (Though naturally due to Murphy's Law their site's temporarily down as I type this, hehe)

With DMFA, there's been nothing but a steady improvement in your art and plotlines, and now I've got a Dark Pegasus arc to look forward to, too. :)

Also impressive to me is how you use audience voting, like how it was decided to run Abel's back-story (I was rooting for Abel too). What better way to see what we want than to ask! I'd like to see more authors try that, hehe

I like the way you incorporate jokes into plot just fine and had to say "No Adjustment Necessary".
-jd

PS: Oh yeah that's one creepy cookie alright. :>
Title: Re: 1/30/08 [DMFA #872] - To the death
Post by: Zedd on January 30, 2008, 07:25:06 PM
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y58/Goatmon/evilcookie.jpg) THE EYES D:
Title: Re: 1/30/08 [DMFA #872] - To the death
Post by: pyrohamster on January 30, 2008, 07:27:42 PM
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y58/Goatmon/evilcookie.jpg) THE MOUTH :U
Title: Re: 1/30/08 [DMFA #872] - To the death
Post by: Silver Pomeranian Genji on January 30, 2008, 07:41:21 PM
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y58/Goatmon/evilcookie.jpg) IT BURRRRNNNNNSSSS! </Ganon>
Title: Re: 1/30/08 [DMFA #872] - To the death
Post by: Kayriel on January 30, 2008, 07:56:35 PM
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y58/Goatmon/evilcookie.jpg) THE HAND! D=
Title: Re: 1/30/08 [DMFA #872] - To the death
Post by: Dngrsone on January 30, 2008, 08:18:10 PM
I liked this comic so much, I made an avatar!  (and joined another forum  (http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee303/Dngrs_1/argh.gif) )
Title: Re: 1/30/08 [DMFA #872] - To the death
Post by: pyrohamster on January 30, 2008, 10:10:52 PM
I R serious wiku. This R serious worm. lol  :bunny worm bunny


7+7= fish
Title: Re: 1/30/08 [DMFA #872] - To the death
Post by: Chaos on January 31, 2008, 12:26:19 AM
Those pictures look shopped.


Anywho, I also Agree on the Drama filled comic thing, though it should be noted that those who first did it, are truely the kings. Trigun being the first anime that came to mind, and Exploitation Now being the comic. Both eventually too departure from the serious beginning, but it seemed, natural and right and eventually kicked all sorts of {explative deleted}.
Title: Re: 1/30/08 [DMFA #872] - To the death
Post by: Alondro on January 31, 2008, 01:28:40 AM
I like "Bleach".

Always somewhat serious, but humor now and then squeezed in.  Plus some of the best opening songs!

*still wants his characters done in Bleach form*  :<

Alondro kinda done up like Zangetsu; Charline, naturally the Hollow form, a heartless devouring monster.

*Charline shakes her head sadly*  Nope, I just make doilies now.  Amber made me nice.  *sobs*   :cry
Title: Re: 1/30/08 [DMFA #872] - To the death
Post by: Kayriel on January 31, 2008, 01:46:14 AM
Quote from: Alondro on January 31, 2008, 01:28:40 AM
I like "Bleach".

Always somewhat serious, but humor now and then squeezed in.  Plus some of the best opening songs!

*still wants his characters done in Bleach form*  :<

Alondro kinda done up like Zangetsu; Charline, naturally the Hollow form, a heartless devouring monster.

*Charline shakes her head sadly*  Nope, I just make doilies now.  Amber made me nice.  *sobs*   :cry

-pats Charline-

Personally, I love Kon and Kenpachi. As far as swords... Wabisuke. =D
Title: Re: 1/30/08 [DMFA #872] - To the death
Post by: Reese Tora on January 31, 2008, 03:42:28 AM
to the death?

no, to the pain!

so far as drama and comics and alsting forever goes, DMFA clearly still has a story to tell, and I don't think it's going to go 'over the edge for a while because it's got all that story left waiting to be exposed.  So long as Amber doesn't start dragging it out and introdicing monsters of the week and setting the heroes back to square one periodically so as to delay the inevitable conclusion to the story, I don't think that the edge will catch her.

Just so long as the end of the comic doesn't show up riding the plot-twist steam-roller. :3

new wild arse theory of the day says Dan becomes a time traveler in the future, and returns to the past to deal with something, but ends up marrying destiana while disguised as Edward and having a child, himself, and then interferes later in the story by posing as Pyroduck to mentor his young self.  Thus Dan is his own grandpa (and father), and it's just plain creepy that Pyroduck is dating Alexis.
Title: Re: 1/30/08 [DMFA #872] - To the death
Post by: Tapewolf on January 31, 2008, 04:14:09 AM
Quote from: Chaos on January 31, 2008, 12:26:19 AM
Those pictures look shopped.

I can understand not believing in fairies, but not believing in cookies sounds a bit steep :B
Title: Re: 1/30/08 [DMFA #872] - To the death
Post by: Turnsky on January 31, 2008, 05:44:57 AM
Quote from: Amber Williams on January 30, 2008, 03:12:26 PM
This particular QfR is a unique one in that I had to paraphrase more than use any direct quotes from actual emails.  It's very rare that people email me these two particular complaints directly.  However, I tend to find these two sentiments in places where I doubt the people typing them are actually expecting me to read them. Other forums, discussion boards, chans, and various other places.

I usually get hese two schools of thought, along with the one where the person says the comic is bad due to its use of either furries/anime style/pg rating. Or the comment about how they couldn't get into the comic because they couldn't last through the first couple of storyarchs.  It's not really distressing to me, and I can definately see their reasonings.  But I also realize I will never make everyone happy and no matter where I go there will be someone who thinks my comic is terrible...or it was once good but now is terrible...or etc.

I never really hold any pretense in that I view DMFA as a comedy-first/story-second strip.  Though I do realize that there are going to be times when the comedy is going to end up stepping on the toes of the story. And that some people are going to be focusing on the story aspect and thus not be able to tell when I'm doing something simply because I find it funny.  I've always held that my reason for this is because I find it sometimes very depressing to go to my favorite comics and be hit with a major wall of depressing seriousness.  I've seen more comics than I'd like take the plunge from a comedy-centered strip into a more dramatic and story-centered focus.  And while they still try to keep the funny...it's off and not quite the same.

It's also a trend in anime, and one of the main reasons I stopped watching anime.  You have a 20 episode season of wacky antics then are suddenly trampled by dramatic plot in the last two.

In the end, I try for the most part to keep a decent balance. And really while I don't always show it, I do try to keep criticisms and the general feel of my audience in mind when I'm doing the comic.  There are some points where it is unfortunately a case where everyone has to hang on for a few strips and ride it out...but if I was getting the implication multiple people were genuinely concerned or displeased with a trend...I try to step back and consider my current course of actions.

And truthfully, I do it because I realize I might not see the storm on the wind since I'm the one doing the comic.  As a reader of other comics, I have seen a couple where I can't help but feel they really. should. have. stopped months to years ago.  And I do worry that if I was to ever fall into a spiral like that, I wouldn't see it coming since I was the one doing it.  So I try to keep alert.

I dont think DMFA is going to last forever. And I dont doubt I will gain and lose readers as their and my own tastes and preferences evolve and differ.  However, I like to think that I'm not beyond reproach and that if I was able to see an overall dissatisfaction amongst readers and people commenting...that I would be able to note that and if it is a problem, fix it.

as long as you have fun making DMFA, Amber, that's all that really counts in the long run.
as for the Zig millennium pen issue in canada, i'm kinda surprised that you couldn't find anywhere they sold 'em.. and yet not.. since i have kind of the same issue, and buy 'em from a local scrapbooking supply store here in the back-end of australia (that's tasmania for the layman).
anywho: http://www.dickblick.com <--- this site might save you the trouble of heading out of canada for art supplies... or not, depends on whether you'd know about it or not.. if you do, i just made a goof outta myself  :U

anywho, anything with "archival pigment ink" should suit your needs nicely..  :)  mind you, that's totally up to you.
Title: Re: 1/30/08 [DMFA #872] - To the death
Post by: WhiteFox on January 31, 2008, 08:06:15 AM
Bah, you kids and your modern anime. I remember when anime actively sought to hurt your brain, with stuff like Neon Genesis Evangelion. That thing shifted genres about 4 times before everyone just sorta went crazy. And the ending made so little sense, they made a movie and killed everyone.

Actually, the series ending made perfect sense to me. Maybe I should worry about that.

This is why I prefer movies to series. Escaflowne the Movie, Ghost in the Shell, Patlabor 2... good stuff.

On a more serious note, I've taken some time to post here cause I really wanted to think about my response.

Quote from: Amber Williams on January 30, 2008, 03:12:26 PM
I usually get hese two schools of thought, along with the one where the person says the comic is bad due to its use of either furries/anime style/pg rating. Or the comment about how they couldn't get into the comic because they couldn't last through the first couple of storyarchs.  It's not really distressing to me, and I can definately see their reasonings.  But I also realize I will never make everyone happy and no matter where I go there will be someone who thinks my comic is terrible...or it was once good but now is terrible...or etc.

These people are critics. Poor ones. In the coming revolution, they should be lined up and... well, you get the idea. Pardon me for speaking so strongly, but these days a good story seems to take a back seat to marketability. Sluggy Freelance. Sucks. Megatokyo. Sucks. PVP. Sucks. Just because however many people read them doesn't make them good: Argumentum ad populum (With wikipedia, anyone can sound smart). I know this is a tired cliche, but really, as long as you are happy with DMFA, it will be good. Your love of it makes it good. Not ours. (As a fan, it almost pains me to say this, but it is true.)

Quote from: Amber Williams on January 30, 2008, 03:12:26 PM
I never really hold any pretense in that I view DMFA as a comedy-first/story-second strip.  Though I do realize that there are going to be times when the comedy is going to end up stepping on the toes of the story. And that some people are going to be focusing on the story aspect and thus not be able to tell when I'm doing something simply because I find it funny.  I've always held that my reason for this is because I find it sometimes very depressing to go to my favorite comics and be hit with a major wall of depressing seriousness.  I've seen more comics than I'd like take the plunge from a comedy-centered strip into a more dramatic and story-centered focus.  And while they still try to keep the funny...it's off and not quite the same.

I always thought of DFMA as not about drama or teh lulz, but about the people, ie, character driven. I. Don't. Care. About so many comic characters like I do about Dan and Mab, because the story is about them. They have a sense of humor, so the comic is funny. They have personal problems, so there is drama. They don't exist to convey their jokes or drama, it comes from them.

Quote from: Amber Williams on January 30, 2008, 03:12:26 PM
...And truthfully, I do it because I realize I might not see the storm on the wind since I'm the one doing the comic.  As a reader of other comics, I have seen a couple where I can't help but feel they really. should. have. stopped months to years ago.  And I do worry that if I was to ever fall into a spiral like that, I wouldn't see it coming since I was the one doing it.  So I try to keep alert.

I dont think DMFA is going to last forever. And I don't doubt I will gain and lose readers as their and my own tastes and preferences evolve and differ.  However, I like to think that I'm not beyond reproach and that if I was able to see an overall dissatisfaction amongst readers and people commenting...that I would be able to note that and if it is a problem, fix it.

Your tastes will change because I don't think a true artist can do the same thing over and over. That's what artists do. Responding to your audience is just one way of judging what direction to go in. Sometimes you have to do things your audience wont like, though. Oceans Unmoving, a storyline in Sluggy Freelance, was incredible. A lot of people hated it, for some reason, but I thought it was one of the best arcs in the series because Pete was really pushing the art and story. Josh Lesnik does different things all the time, I love that guy. People kicked up a fuss when Mac Hall stopped using black outlines for everything. Megatokyo is still giving us all the same crap, and it's stagnated. Fred seems to refuse to pick up a pencil or take any kind of risk.

All stories have a conclusion. It's integral, and unavoidable. It's essential. A story isn't a story without an end. For something to live, it must die. Some comics keep going after the story is actually over, and they get tired. ADVENTURERS! ended. I missed it, but it was a good ending. Better Days will end. Something Positive will end. Elf Life should have ended years ago. Exploitation Now! ended. L.I.G. and Purple Pussy ended. The list goes on. If DMFA never ends, we wont get to see all the things we want to see: Will dan solve his family problems? Will Jy get a boyfriend? And so on. Once they do these things, the story is over, we'll all smoke a cigarette, take a breather, and look back on how good it was. There might be some light conversation afterwards too.

If DMFA ends, you'll start something else. You can't keep a good artist/writer down. And we'll be right behind you, sucking up your bandwidth at 4AM waiting for the next comic.
Title: Re: 1/30/08 [DMFA #872] - To the death
Post by: Tapewolf on January 31, 2008, 08:23:55 AM
Quote from: WhiteFox on January 31, 2008, 08:06:15 AM
If DMFA never ends, we wont get to see all the things we want to see: Will dan solve his family problems? Will Jy get a boyfriend? And so on. Once they do these things, the story is over, we'll all smoke a cigarette, take a breather, and look back on how good it was.

One of the things I've thought would be quite interesting would be a post-DMFA comic, set a thousand years or so after the present day.  Obviously this would see a great number of characters long-dead, but it would be interesting to see Dan (assuming he survives that long) as a properly adult incubus.
Title: Re: 1/30/08 [DMFA #872] - To the death
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on January 31, 2008, 08:27:39 AM
Quote from: WhiteFox on January 31, 2008, 08:06:15 AM
Your love of it makes it good. Not ours.

This, I think, sums the thread up nicely.

On the other hand, Amber's love thereof forces her to take note of what us fans say, at least some of the time. (although I love the paper crane idea...)

Quote from: WhiteFox on January 31, 2008, 08:06:15 AM
If DMFA ends, you'll start something else. You can't keep a good artist/writer down. And we'll be right behind you, sucking up your bandwidth at 4AM waiting for the next comic.

Heh. Maybe she'll just pick a different time of day to update? ;-]


Quote from: Tapewolf on January 31, 2008, 08:23:55 AM
One of the things I've thought would be quite interesting would be a post-DMFA comic, set a thousand years or so after the present day.  Obviously this would see a great number of characters long-dead, but it would be interesting to see Dan (assuming he survives that long) as a properly adult incubus.

I think the issue with that would be that, well, most 'Cubi never grow up. Fa'Lina still enjoys a good prank, for example. And muffins.

That and, if Dan -were- to grow up, he'd probably have sorted out most of the issues which make the comic worth viewing.


Interesting idea, though....
Title: Re: 1/30/08 [DMFA #872] - To the death
Post by: Tapewolf on January 31, 2008, 08:35:41 AM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on January 31, 2008, 08:27:39 AM
I think the issue with that would be that, well, most 'Cubi never grow up. Fa'Lina still enjoys a good prank, for example. And muffins.

That and, if Dan -were- to grow up, he'd probably have sorted out most of the issues which make the comic worth viewing.

He'd probably have exchanged them for a different set of issues.  In any case, he wouldn't necessarily have to be the main character.
Title: Re: 1/30/08 [DMFA #872] - To the death
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on January 31, 2008, 08:51:32 AM
Granted, on both points. :-]
Title: Re: 1/30/08 [DMFA #872] - To the death
Post by: Alondro on January 31, 2008, 09:25:25 AM
Quote from: Tapewolf on January 31, 2008, 08:35:41 AM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on January 31, 2008, 08:27:39 AM
I think the issue with that would be that, well, most 'Cubi never grow up. Fa'Lina still enjoys a good prank, for example. And muffins.

That and, if Dan -were- to grow up, he'd probably have sorted out most of the issues which make the comic worth viewing.

He'd probably have exchanged them for a different set of issues.  In any case, he wouldn't necessarily have to be the main character.

*Charles nods*  Exactly.  Charline will be the main character from then on, and it'll focus on how nice she is and makes everyone doilies and cookies.

*Charline erfs*  Can they at least be evil cookies?  Like the scary smiley-face one?

*Charles declares*  NO!  Only good!   >:O

*Charline*   :c
Title: Re: 1/30/08 [DMFA #872] - To the death
Post by: Tapewolf on January 31, 2008, 03:20:47 PM
Quote from: Chaos on January 31, 2008, 12:26:19 AM
Those pictures look shopped.

I am probably overstepping the bounds of my sanity here, but for the unbelievers, I present Jacob's Happy Faces.

They are supposed to look like this:
(http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k216/tapewolf/scraps/biscuits2a.jpg)
http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k216/tapewolf/scraps/biscuits2a.jpg

In reality they usually end up like this:
(http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k216/tapewolf/scraps/biscuits1a.jpg)
http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k216/tapewolf/scraps/biscuits1a.jpg

...ranging from 'leering' through to 'blind in one eye' and 'been in a fight'.  Sadly there were none in this packet which were foaming at the mouth or bleeding everywhere, but it happens more often than not.
I used to use these to explain the concept of semiconductor yields - if you imagine the filling as being the doping agent - since it is usually very difficult for a fabrication plant to get the 'filling' in exactly the right place, especially when the die is shrunk.

...

Um, maybe we should talk about the comic now.
Title: Re: 1/30/08 [DMFA #872] - To the death
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on January 31, 2008, 03:55:06 PM
C is for cookie, that's good enough for me... ;-]
Title: Re: 1/30/08 [DMFA #872] - To the death
Post by: Dannysaysnoo on January 31, 2008, 04:06:16 PM
Need to find me some of those, they remind me of BNs.
Title: Re: 1/30/08 [DMFA #872] - To the death
Post by: Aurawyn on January 31, 2008, 07:13:29 PM
Quote from: Stig Hemmer on January 30, 2008, 06:55:37 AM
In the end, your most important audience is yourself.  Make the comic what you want it to be.

AMEN!

I like the comic just the way it is...  Funny at some points, Serious in othera...

But in the end.. its still Ambers story.. The day she starts changing things to please the winers (and it becomes really really obvious) is the day I might stop reading.
Title: Re: 1/30/08 [DMFA #872] - To the death
Post by: Aurawyn on January 31, 2008, 07:25:43 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on January 31, 2008, 08:23:55 AM
Quote from: WhiteFox on January 31, 2008, 08:06:15 AM
If DMFA never ends, we wont get to see all the things we want to see: Will dan solve his family problems? Will Jy get a boyfriend? And so on. Once they do these things, the story is over, we'll all smoke a cigarette, take a breather, and look back on how good it was.

One of the things I've thought would be quite interesting would be a post-DMFA comic, set a thousand years or so after the present day.  Obviously this would see a great number of characters long-dead, but it would be interesting to see Dan (assuming he survives that long) as a properly adult incubus.

That would be really intresting..
Title: Re: 1/30/08 [DMFA #872] - To the death
Post by: terrycloth on January 31, 2008, 08:00:55 PM
Jyrass, of course, would still be alive, in a robot body on his secret island lair. There, he'd finally complete his time machine, so that he could send the Last Dragon Egg back in time to be fostered by the leader of the Cubi and hopefully avert the Cubi/Dragon war that devastated the world...
Title: Re: 1/30/08 [DMFA #872] - To the death
Post by: Kayriel on January 31, 2008, 08:19:08 PM
Quote from: WhiteFox on January 31, 2008, 08:06:15 AM
Sluggy Freelance. Sucks. Megatokyo. Sucks. PVP. Sucks. --> Double Helping of DMFA!

Fixed it for you.
(http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/8418/1185128995973ru6.jpg)
Title: Re: 1/30/08 [DMFA #872] - To the death
Post by: pyrohamster on January 31, 2008, 09:07:32 PM
Quote from: Kayriel on January 31, 2008, 08:19:08 PM
Quote from: WhiteFox on January 31, 2008, 08:06:15 AM
Sluggy Freelance. Sucks. Megatokyo. Sucks. PVP. Sucks. --> Double Helping of DMFA!

Fixed it for you.
(http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/8418/1185128995973ru6.jpg)
he he he he he. Very funny :mwaha
Title: Re: 1/30/08 [DMFA #872] - To the death
Post by: WhiteFox on January 31, 2008, 09:08:36 PM
Quote from: terrycloth on January 31, 2008, 08:00:55 PM
Jyrass, of course, would still be alive, in a robot body on his secret island lair. There, he'd finally complete his time machine, so that he could send the Last Dragon Egg back in time to be fostered by the leader of the Cubi and hopefully avert the Cubi/Dragon war that devastated the world...

You forgot the part where Deebs falls into a vat of mysterious chemicals at the bubble gum factory, becomes a twenty story monster and destroys a couple cities.
Title: Re: 1/30/08 [DMFA #872] - To the death
Post by: Netrogo on January 31, 2008, 09:44:06 PM
Quote from: WhiteFox on January 31, 2008, 09:08:36 PM
You forgot the part where Deebs falls into a vat of mysterious chemicals at the bubble gum factory, becomes a twenty story monster and destroys a couple cities.

This is what'll happen when Amber goes off the deep end and loses her mind. Then, like so many horrible film directors, she'll start doing things completely out of context and off the wall in everyway possible in the name of her art.

Despite that we'll still all read it religiously :rolleyes
Title: Re: 1/30/08 [DMFA #872] - To the death
Post by: pyrohamster on January 31, 2008, 09:52:54 PM
Quote from: terrycloth on January 31, 2008, 08:00:55 PM
Jyrass, of course, would still be alive, in a robot body on his secret island lair. There, he'd finally complete his time machine, so that he could send the Last Dragon Egg back in time to be fostered by the leader of the Cubi and hopefully avert the Cubi/Dragon war that devastated the world...
from what i have learned from the terminator is that even if you kill the person/thing that starts it all, another person/thing starts it later. you cant prevent something , only delay it.  'A' :cry
Title: Re: 1/30/08 [DMFA #872] - To the death
Post by: WhiteFox on January 31, 2008, 10:48:56 PM
Comparing #347 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_347.php) to #872 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_872.php)... is it just me or did WikuAmber  get an... enhancement, shall we say?

*Heavenly Thunderbolt'd*

Ow. I deserved that one too.
Title: Re: 1/30/08 [DMFA #872] - To the death
Post by: Reese Tora on February 01, 2008, 04:24:44 AM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on January 31, 2008, 03:55:06 PM
C is for cookie, that's good enough for me... ;-]

And now I have the sudden urge to compile some cookies...

*contemplates cookies made with java*

@ whitefox: OMG, you are correct, sir! My, wiku amber, what a big zipper you have.
Title: Re: 1/30/08 [DMFA #872] - To the death
Post by: e_voyager on February 01, 2008, 05:42:30 AM
there is no need to prove that which is true. IE. Wiku amber is Wiku amber. let it be before we all get thunderbolted.!  "thunderwave*
Title: Re: 1/30/08 [DMFA #872] - To the death
Post by: Turnsky on February 01, 2008, 05:48:53 AM
Quote from: WhiteFox on January 31, 2008, 10:48:56 PM
Comparing #347 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_347.php) to #872 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_872.php)... is it just me or did WikuAmber  get an... enhancement, shall we say?

*Heavenly Thunderbolt'd*

Ow. I deserved that one too.


i'd say today's is a closeup of an otherwise small character..
Title: Re: 1/30/08 [DMFA #872] - To the death
Post by: Kayriel on February 01, 2008, 06:43:13 AM
That or she's stacked.