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Title: The stupid, it burns!
Post by: Vidar on November 23, 2007, 04:34:39 PM
http://fstdt.com/

Oh well, at least I won't suffer alone.



* warning: reading this site may cause permanent brain damage, freak nosebleeds, and neighbours trying to find out why you have been screaming for the past half-hour. *
Title: Re: The stupid, it burns!
Post by: bill on November 23, 2007, 04:48:46 PM
Note: Not all religious fundamentalists are dumb.


That being said, this is hilarious.
Title: Re: The stupid, it burns!
Post by: Reese Tora on November 23, 2007, 06:25:28 PM
My brain, it bleeds.  :knifed
Title: Re: The stupid, it burns!
Post by: Netrogo on November 23, 2007, 07:53:01 PM
I LoLed.
Title: Re: The stupid, it burns!
Post by: Reese Tora on November 23, 2007, 10:20:35 PM
Quote from: one of the fundie sayingsI'm praying for you, it's probably a lost cause, but I'm earning points with Jesus.

Can he redeem his jesus points for fabulous prizes?
Title: Re: The stupid, it burns!
Post by: Alondro on November 23, 2007, 10:37:44 PM
Quote from: Reese Tora on November 23, 2007, 10:20:35 PM
Quote from: one of the fundie sayingsI'm praying for you, it's probably a lost cause, but I'm earning points with Jesus.

Can he redeem his jesus points for fabulous prizes?

Yes!  You can choose from smiting the wicked, walking on water, one "Raised From the Dead" gift certificate, or "Get Out of Hell Free" card!   :giggle
Title: Re: The stupid, it burns!
Post by: Faerie Alex on November 23, 2007, 10:38:50 PM
It makes me want to cry, bang my head on a desk, and bang their heads on a desk all at the same time. :B
Title: Re: The stupid, it burns!
Post by: Netrogo on November 23, 2007, 10:49:51 PM
Go with the third option. Fundies are nature's stress balls.
Title: Re: The stupid, it burns!
Post by: Toric on November 24, 2007, 12:33:07 AM
This one literally stunned me. I was unable to move, with a stupid look plastered on my face:

"[Replying to 'as for not seeing evolution it takes several million years... incase you missed that memo...']

several million years for a monkey to turn into a man. oh wait thats right. monkeys dont live several million years."

I'm very glad they documented where on the Internet these things were said. Myspace and a Christian forum you'd expect, but this one was from Gaia Online. I love examples of human ignorance (even with the realization that I'm ignorant about a ton of things myself).

Edit: And the very next post I read was of a woman talking about her reaction to her son's coming out of the closet. ......It linked to another post confirming that the son commited suicide. It's suddenly not so funny. :(
Title: Re: The stupid, it burns!
Post by: Faerie Alex on November 24, 2007, 10:40:16 AM
The one that I really liked was:
QuoteOne of the most basic laws in the universe is the Second Law of Thermodynamics. This states that as time goes by, entropy in an environment will increase. Evolution argues differently against a law that is accepted EVERYWHERE BY EVERYONE. Evolution says that we started out simple, and over time became more complex. That just isn't possible: UNLESS there is a giant outside source of energy supplying the Earth with huge amounts of energy. If there were such a source, scientists would certainly know about it.
Much like the moon hoax theory that says the astronauts never left Earth's gravitational field, both statements seem self-defeating because they are absolutely true. I could also attempt to make some joke about this person's being a basement dweller. But I choose not to. :3
Title: Re: The stupid, it burns!
Post by: Sunblink on November 24, 2007, 10:47:57 AM
I couldn't bring myself to LoL until I did it merely out of spite, just because I realized how hilarious it is that a sixteen-year-old girl who, according to the average fundie, is going to hell, is finding the behavior of people who are probably years older than her pitiful. :erk

Fundies say the darndest things, indeed. D: Feel the tolerance and acceptance! [/sarcasm]

~Keaton the Black Jackal
Title: Re: The stupid, it burns!
Post by: Tapewolf on November 24, 2007, 11:08:46 AM
Not all of them are fundies - frequently the comments are moronic counterarguments, so as we can see neither side has a monopoly on stupidity.  And as a sideeffect it does mean they are being somewhat balanced, which is always a good thing.

That said, I did like this one:  http://fstdt.com/fundies/comments.aspx?id=31312

"This is the doorway to my bedroom.  The guy in the picture is Jesus.  So if some night... Someone breaks into my home... And comes upstairs to beat the crap out of me...  He's gotta get by Jesus first."

Leaving aside that it's just a picture (which alone breaks the 2nd commandment, IIRC) you'd think Jesus would have more important stuff to do than play guard-dog.
Title: Re: The stupid, it burns!
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on November 24, 2007, 11:26:36 AM
Quote from: Tapewolf on November 24, 2007, 11:08:46 AM
Leaving aside that it's just a picture (which alone breaks the 2nd commandment, IIRC) you'd think Jesus would have more important stuff to do than play guard-dog.

I was going to say:
It's not breaking the second commandment, though. The image isn't engraved, is it? On two counts, now that I come to think of it - he's not worshipping it, either.

Quote
"You shall not make for yourself a graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them or serve them; for I The Lord your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate Me, but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love Me and keep My Commandments."

But, on second reading.. you're not allowed to make -any- image. Which is, I think, possibly one of the more stupid interpretations.

Wikipedia gives:
"You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth." Exodus 20:4 & Deuteronomy 5:8

Both from the New Revised Standard Edition.

Now, that makes a lot more sense - under the original, you were unable to make -any- images at all. No painting, no carving, no nothing. What a great way to keep your people barefoot and ignorant.

The new version lets other images stand, as long as they're not being idolised (like, say, the American dollar...)
Title: Re: The stupid, it burns!
Post by: Dannysaysnoo on November 24, 2007, 11:58:27 AM
Quote from: modelincard on November 24, 2007, 10:40:16 AM
The one that I really liked was:
QuoteOne of the most basic laws in the universe is the Second Law of Thermodynamics. This states that as time goes by, entropy in an environment will increase. Evolution argues differently against a law that is accepted EVERYWHERE BY EVERYONE. Evolution says that we started out simple, and over time became more complex. That just isn't possible: UNLESS there is a giant outside source of energy supplying the Earth with huge amounts of energy. If there were such a source, scientists would certainly know about it.
Much like the moon hoax theory that says the astronauts never left Earth's gravitational field, both statements seem self-defeating because they are absolutely true. I could also attempt to make some joke about this person's being a basement dweller. But I choose not to. :3

Isn't the second law of thermodynamics "IN A CLOSED ENVIROMENT, all things tend towards entropy"?
Title: Re: The stupid, it burns!
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on November 24, 2007, 01:05:49 PM
Quote from: dannysaysnoo on November 24, 2007, 11:58:27 AM
Isn't the second law of thermodynamics "IN A CLOSED ENVIROMENT, all things tend towards entropy"?

Yup. What, is the Universe not a closed environment?

What they're missing is that "tends towards" is very rough. You can have local areas that trend -backwards- to that, and still be following the rules.

Stars are one such "local trend". Evolving life, in Universe size scales, is just a blip.

As DNA had it: "Space is REALLY big. No, not just big, really really big. I mean, you may think it's a long way down to the shops, but compared to space, that's just minuscule..."
Title: Re: The stupid, it burns!
Post by: Dannysaysnoo on November 24, 2007, 05:26:09 PM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on November 24, 2007, 01:05:49 PM
As DNA had it: "Space is REALLY big. No, not just big, really really big. I mean, you may think it's a long way down to the shops, but compared to space, that's just minuscule..."

What you must have been trying to say there, in a possible quote of Hitchhiker, Is this.

"Space is big. Really big. I mean you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist, but thats just peanuts to space! Listen!" and so on.
Title: Re: The stupid, it burns!
Post by: superluser on November 24, 2007, 06:52:13 PM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on November 24, 2007, 01:05:49 PMWhat they're missing is that "tends towards" is very rough. You can have local areas that trend -backwards- to that, and still be following the rules.

One problem is that he's confusing thermodynamic entropy and informational entropy.

Both are related, but they say things that are somewhat oblique to each other.

Thermodynamic entropy is the amount of unusable energy in a closed system and it tends to increase (``tends to'' meaning ``will always'' in this case).  It's the second law of thermodynamics, and it's so firmly accepted that simply stating that something will break the second law is enough to completely dismiss that idea.

Informational entropy is a measure of how chaotic a system is and it also tends to increase, but only insofar as it is an analogue of thermodynamic entropy.  So eventually, we will all decay into humus and therefore contain less usable energy, and then entropy will increase.  As long as we're alive and making DNA macromolecules, the second law doesn't care what genes they have.

And I preferred the radio version:

"Space," it says, "is big. Really big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the street to the chemist, but that's just peanuts to space, listen..." and so on.
Title: Re: The stupid, it burns!
Post by: Alondro on November 24, 2007, 07:01:49 PM
Problem about the universe and entropy is that we can't tell what's beyond the edge of our expansion field.  We could be pushing out the remnants of an old universe for all we know.  There is no information at all about what our universe's edge is running into.
Title: Re: The stupid, it burns!
Post by: Dannysaysnoo on November 24, 2007, 07:05:34 PM
Quote from: Alondro on November 24, 2007, 07:01:49 PM
Problem about the universe and entropy is that we can't tell what's beyond the edge of our expansion field.  We could be pushing out the remnants of an old universe for all we know.  There is no information at all about what our universe's edge is running into.

All i know about laws of entropy, i learned from Dave Gorman...
Title: Re: The stupid, it burns!
Post by: Brunhidden on November 24, 2007, 07:06:34 PM
anyone remember the term paper someone did for high school that argued whether hell was exothermic or endothermic? i feel that fits this train of thought perfectly
Title: Re: The stupid, it burns!
Post by: Dannysaysnoo on November 24, 2007, 07:08:04 PM
Quote from: Brunhidden on November 24, 2007, 07:06:34 PM
anyone remember the term paper someone did for high school that argued whether hell was exothermic or endothermic? i feel that fits this train of thought perfectly

In that it probably will never end?
Title: Re: The stupid, it burns!
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on November 24, 2007, 07:17:32 PM
Quote from: dannysaysnoo on November 24, 2007, 07:08:04 PM
In that it probably will never end?

No, I think he means the one that the student got an A for.

http://www.txc.net.au/~mapie/hell.htm
Title: Re: The stupid, it burns!
Post by: Tapewolf on November 24, 2007, 07:22:34 PM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on November 24, 2007, 07:17:32 PM
No, I think he means the one that the student got an A for.
http://www.txc.net.au/~mapie/hell.htm

Awesome.
Title: Re: The stupid, it burns!
Post by: Alondro on November 24, 2007, 08:13:13 PM
Hell is a primitive concept based on a misinterpretation of several biblical passages while ignoring others which say quite clearly that it doesn't exist.  The 'hell' most commonly mentioned in the Bible is actually 'sheol', which is more properly interpreted as 'the grave'.  The passage in Revelation then that says 'death and hell were cast into the lake of fire' then becomes 'death and the grave were cast into the lake of fire', which is symbolism to denote the end of mortality for the saved.

That's the problem with languages, each time its translated things are altered or lost due to the difficulty of getting the exact idea copied perfectly from a totally different way of speaking.

Hence, perhaps, why God would have chosen to confuse the langauge at Babel.  Interesting, even if it is only a parable, that the writer of the occurrence realized so long ago how vital a common language was to cooporation.

So many interesting things are in the Bible, if only people would get past their own agenda.
Title: Re: The stupid, it burns!
Post by: Brunhidden on November 24, 2007, 09:30:21 PM
Quote from: Alondro on November 24, 2007, 08:13:13 PM
So many interesting things are in the Bible, if only people would get past their own agenda.

true, and on a similar note i wonder why everyone thinks every time the bible uses the term 'know' it means 'rape'
Title: Re: The stupid, it burns!
Post by: Reese Tora on November 24, 2007, 10:49:07 PM
Quote from: Brunhidden on November 24, 2007, 09:30:21 PM
Quote from: Alondro on November 24, 2007, 08:13:13 PM
So many interesting things are in the Bible, if only people would get past their own agenda.

true, and on a similar note i wonder why everyone thinks every time the bible uses the term 'know' it means 'rape'

wut? :<

I'm pretty sure everyone I know who knows what know means in the biblical sense knows know means simply to get it on. (ya know?)
Title: Re: The stupid, it burns!
Post by: Caswin on November 24, 2007, 11:06:05 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on November 24, 2007, 11:08:46 AM
Not all of them are fundies - frequently the comments are moronic counterarguments, so as we can see neither side has a monopoly on stupidity.  And as a sideeffect it does mean they are being somewhat balanced, which is always a good thing.

That said, I did like this one:  http://fstdt.com/fundies/comments.aspx?id=31312

"This is the doorway to my bedroom.  The guy in the picture is Jesus.  So if some night... Someone breaks into my home... And comes upstairs to beat the crap out of me...  He's gotta get by Jesus first."

Leaving aside that it's just a picture (which alone breaks the 2nd commandment, IIRC) you'd think Jesus would have more important stuff to do than play guard-dog.
"more important things to do" is an irrelevant concept when you're God.  I've never gotten that one, myself.

And... things like this depress me.  Outspoken minorities hurting a majority of decent people in general depress me.
Title: Re: The stupid, it burns!
Post by: Brunhidden on November 24, 2007, 11:35:21 PM
Quote from: Caswin on November 24, 2007, 11:06:05 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on November 24, 2007, 11:08:46 AM
Not all of them are fundies - frequently the comments are moronic counterarguments, so as we can see neither side has a monopoly on stupidity.  And as a sideeffect it does mean they are being somewhat balanced, which is always a good thing.

That said, I did like this one:  http://fstdt.com/fundies/comments.aspx?id=31312

"This is the doorway to my bedroom.  The guy in the picture is Jesus.  So if some night... Someone breaks into my home... And comes upstairs to beat the crap out of me...  He's gotta get by Jesus first."

Leaving aside that it's just a picture (which alone breaks the 2nd commandment, IIRC) you'd think Jesus would have more important stuff to do than play guard-dog.
"more important things to do" is an irrelevant concept when you're God.  I've never gotten that one, myself.

And... things like this depress me.  Outspoken minorities hurting a majority of decent people in general depress me.

i still find the mental imagery of jesus tackling a burglar hilarious
Title: Re: The stupid, it burns!
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on November 25, 2007, 05:28:36 AM
Quote from: Brunhidden on November 24, 2007, 11:35:21 PM
i still find the mental imagery of jesus tackling a burglar hilarious

"So, would you like to tell me what you were doing in his house, sir?"
"Well, I broke in to steal something, but as I was going into his bedroom, the painting on the door leaped off and grappled me to the ground."
"I see, sir."
"And then it tied me up, and went back to being a painting."
"I see, sir."
... "You don't believe me, do you, Officer?"
"Of course I believe you, sir."

;-]
Title: Re: The stupid, it burns!
Post by: Angel on November 25, 2007, 06:09:20 PM
Before I say anything about the site, my opinions on religious extremists can be seen here. (http://smartorcrazy-bp.livejournal.com/tag/stupid+people)

Now then. I note that one of my 'favorite' fundies, Pat Robertson, had something to say:

Quote from: Reverend Dumbass""The feminist agenda is not about equal rights for women. It is about a socialist, anti-family political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians.""

I feel no guilt in saying I detest this bucket of human waste and have a sneaking suspicion that God may feel the same way. These people make me want to put my head through a glass door. I shouldn't have to defend my Catholicism, but people like this make my faith look bad. It sucks.
Title: Re: The stupid, it burns!
Post by: Alondro on November 25, 2007, 06:13:38 PM
Well, the part about the feminists being socialist and anti-family is correct.

Or haven't you actually listened to some of them talk before?

The most radical of them are just as bad as religious fundies in their hatred of men.

Which goes back to my theory that any extreme ends up attracting all the loonies.  Just look at extreme mountain biking!  Of extreme Kirby!  It's terrifying!   :U
Title: Re: The stupid, it burns!
Post by: Angel on November 25, 2007, 06:18:23 PM
Yeah. Mom always said never to trust anyone who's overzealous about anything. The more I look around, the more I see how right she is.  :|
Title: Re: The stupid, it burns!
Post by: Omega on November 28, 2007, 08:36:46 AM
Quote from: Black_angel on November 25, 2007, 06:18:23 PM
Yeah. Mom always said never to trust anyone who's overzealous about anything. The more I look around, the more I see how right she is.  :|
That's why I'm always questioning myself. It's not fair to claim others to be fanatics, if you're not willing to let go all of your believes in a moment of notice.
Title: Re: The stupid, it burns!
Post by: Alondro on November 28, 2007, 10:47:29 AM
Well, I wouldn't say being willing to let go your beliefs instantly is a good thing either.  In that case you don't stand for anything at all and you're pretty much non-functional in society, always dashing from one side to the other instead of being able to stand on your own two feet. 

Instead, I analyzed myself for most of my life, and then analyzed others to see where their beliefs led them.  My current levels are the result on non-stop thinking for 25 years, and thusly I'm LESS likely to change rapidly now because I've had enough vindication of myself versus other choices (which I have seen the ends of through other people's examples) to know that my ways cause the least harm and lead to the greatest acquisition of knowledge possible (given the physical limitations of my very erratic memory, which I now understand is likely the result of the mutation of a protein vital to memory storage and retrieval.  I got that from my dad, who has an even worse memory.   :P )
Title: Re: The stupid, it burns!
Post by: Omega on November 28, 2007, 11:22:22 AM
Quote from: Alondro on November 28, 2007, 10:47:29 AM
Well, I wouldn't say being willing to let go your beliefs instantly is a good thing either.  In that case you don't stand for anything at all and you're pretty much non-functional in society, always dashing from one side to the other instead of being able to stand on your own two feet. 
Don't make it sound so... so...  entropic. It's not like I turn my coat once a week. I'm saying that I'm willing to accept the possibility that I might be wrong. That my opinion may not the best one. Skepticism works both way, baby. It's a double-egde sword and you'll have to cut yourself in order to use it against others.
Title: Re: The stupid, it burns!
Post by: Ryudo Lee on November 28, 2007, 11:35:41 AM
Quote from: Omega on November 28, 2007, 11:22:22 AM
Don't make it sound so... so...  entropic. It's not like I turn my coat once a week. I'm saying that I'm willing to accept the possibility that I might be wrong. That my opinion may not the best one. Skepticism works both way, baby. It's a double-egde sword and you'll have to cut yourself in order to use it against others.

My $0.02...

The only problem with this is that no one really knows who's right or wrong, right now.  There are only two ways to know who's right:
1 - Die and see what kind of afterlife is out there, if anything.
2 - God (or some other diety) come down here so we can see for ourselves who's really in charge.

Neither possibility is currently feasible.  When you die, you can't really come back and tell everyone which religion (if any) is right.  And thus far God hasn't been stomping around in plain sight, and unless you're catholic, he won't at least not until Armageddon, and then at that time (if we're right about this), this whole argument is moot.  So really, everything really has to be taken on faith.

So, how can you decide which faith is right, and when do you decide that that faith is wrong and you need to switch?
Title: Re: The stupid, it burns!
Post by: Omega on November 28, 2007, 11:42:45 AM
Quote from: Ryudo Lee on November 28, 2007, 11:35:41 AM
So, how can you decide which faith is right, and when do you decide that that faith is wrong and you need to switch?
To put it bluntly: You don't. Either you flip a coin or spend few years thinking, meditating and pondering which religion is the closest one of your heard. Then flip a coin.

To be, all the religion are the same. They worship same deity. They just don't know it. Every prayer you perform goes to the same address, if one wants to belive something...
Title: Re: The stupid, it burns!
Post by: Ryudo Lee on November 28, 2007, 11:49:07 AM
Quote from: Omega on November 28, 2007, 11:42:45 AM
Quote from: Ryudo Lee on November 28, 2007, 11:35:41 AM
So, how can you decide which faith is right, and when do you decide that that faith is wrong and you need to switch?
To put it bluntly: You don't. Either you flip a coin or spend few years thinking, meditating and pondering which religion is the closest one of your heard. Then flip a coin.

I'll give you this much, that's possibly one of the best ways I've heard of to choose a religion (not the coin flip, the other part). 

But what I was asking was when you've already chosen a religion, why would you switch, and what's the reasoning behind switching?
Title: Re: The stupid, it burns!
Post by: Omega on November 28, 2007, 11:57:11 AM
A religion is really nothing more than a bunch of believes and many strange rituals. If you dislike either then you might want to give up them, or change them into something else. Luckily, you don't have to agree with all the believes, nor do you have to perform all the rituals by the book. I mean, if I'd have to go to church ever Sunday, I'd be a jew faster than you can spell a rabbi.


I'm not saying that religions are useless. Some People need them and they bring nice balance to this cold, lonely world around us.
Title: Re: The stupid, it burns!
Post by: Ryudo Lee on November 28, 2007, 12:07:28 PM
Quote from: Omega on November 28, 2007, 11:57:11 AM
I'm not saying that religions are useless. Some People need them and they bring nice balance to this cold, lonely world around us.

I agree with you wholeheartedly on that, sir.
Title: Re: The stupid, it burns!
Post by: Alondro on November 28, 2007, 01:33:52 PM
Quote from: Omega on November 28, 2007, 11:22:22 AM
It's a double-egde sword and you'll have to cut yourself in order to use it against others.

*ponders... and thinks... and ponders... which is a dangerous thing... finally, a thought forms from the murky depths*  Soooooo... what that means is the whole emo cutting thing is a literalized philosophical training ritual.   I get it now!   :B
Title: Re: The stupid, it burns!
Post by: Vidar on November 28, 2007, 04:21:33 PM
Quote from: Ryudo Lee on November 28, 2007, 11:35:41 AM
Quote from: Omega on November 28, 2007, 11:22:22 AM
Don't make it sound so... so...  entropic. It's not like I turn my coat once a week. I'm saying that I'm willing to accept the possibility that I might be wrong. That my opinion may not the best one. Skepticism works both way, baby. It's a double-egde sword and you'll have to cut yourself in order to use it against others.

My $0.02...

The only problem with this is that no one really knows who's right or wrong, right now.  There are only two ways to know who's right:
1 - Die and see what kind of afterlife is out there, if anything.
2 - God (or some other diety) come down here so we can see for ourselves who's really in charge.

Neither possibility is currently feasible.  When you die, you can't really come back and tell everyone which religion (if any) is right.  And thus far God hasn't been stomping around in plain sight, and unless you're catholic, he won't at least not until Armageddon, and then at that time (if we're right about this), this whole argument is moot.  So really, everything really has to be taken on faith.

So, how can you decide which faith is right, and when do you decide that that faith is wrong and you need to switch?

For this one I use Occam's razor to cut out the hypothetical super-natural entity. Because there is no direct evidence for a god there is no reason for me to believe in one.

The other end of the spectrum would be Pascal's wager, but that just doesn't do it for me.
Title: Re: The stupid, it burns!
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on November 28, 2007, 05:28:35 PM
Quote from: Vidar on November 28, 2007, 04:21:33 PM
For this one I use Occam's razor to cut out the hypothetical super-natural entity. Because there is no direct evidence for a god there is no reason for me to believe in one.

The other end of the spectrum would be Pascal's wager, but that just doesn't do it for me.

... where on that scale does Russell's Teapot fit?
Title: Re: The stupid, it burns!
Post by: TheGreyRonin on November 28, 2007, 06:55:32 PM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on November 28, 2007, 05:28:35 PM

... where on that scale does Russell's Teapot fit?

I'm guessing somewhere on Kocer's Table, next to the sandwiches.
Title: Re: The stupid, it burns!
Post by: Angel on November 28, 2007, 09:39:50 PM
Are there any Pastafarian dishes on this table?
Title: Re: The stupid, it burns!
Post by: Sienna Maiu - M T on November 29, 2007, 05:17:20 AM
Is it wrong that I simply find the whole affair boring?


I pity the people these people meet, of course.


edit:
Ah, yes. My favourite though, would have to be the first one in the top 100.

Why yes, of course only English Bibles should exist.
Yep, let us all just ignore that originally only Latin Bibles should exist, and that when Luther made the first translation into German it was illegal.
Yep.

(although in a way I do agree with the Latin version. Because in it the language is as such that non gender-specific terms are used. For example, "Our Father in Heaven" originally was father/mother.)
Title: Re: The stupid, it burns!
Post by: Alondro on November 29, 2007, 07:35:02 AM
It dun there shoulds just bees English Bibles, cuz everone nows God speaks English!

:B

Plus Jesus was a skinny white guy like in the pictures!   :B
Title: Re: The stupid, it burns!
Post by: Sienna Maiu - M T on November 29, 2007, 07:39:40 AM
Nope, Jesus was definitely never a Jew, nope.
:B
Title: Re: The stupid, it burns!
Post by: superluser on November 29, 2007, 08:21:42 AM
Quote from: Sienna Maiu - M T on November 29, 2007, 05:17:20 AMWhy yes, of course only English Bibles should exist.

Hee.  The KJV-only nutters are great.  I read somewhere (http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/002133.html) that English was created directly by God five hundred years ago at the start of the Great Vowel Shift so that the King James Bible could be translated into it.

The King James nutters are so completely looney that it took me a while to realize that it was a joke.

Quote from: Sienna Maiu - M T on November 29, 2007, 05:17:20 AM(although in a way I do agree with the Latin version. Because in it the language is as such that non gender-specific terms are used. For example, "Our Father in Heaven" originally was father/mother.)

Uh...no.  In Latin, that was ``Pater noster,'' which is very explicitly masculine.  In the original Greek, it was πατερ ημων (or αγιασθητω in Luke), and I'm not sure how masculine that is, but it looks like pater to me.

It is true that in many cases, the original languages in which the Bible was written do not include genders where English is forced to, and in some cases, the genders specified in the original languages do not really imply the very strong male/female connection that they do in English.  In this case, however, this is incorrect.
Title: Re: The stupid, it burns!
Post by: Sienna Maiu - M T on November 29, 2007, 09:34:29 AM
Your face.

Don't cite me I said, nobody ever listens.

(Besides all that, it's been a few years, but I know whichever original language it was, it was non-gender specific, and the fact that one language was allowed at all is true.)


...
Something.
Title: Re: The stupid, it burns!
Post by: superluser on November 29, 2007, 03:09:12 PM
Most of the New Testament was written in Greek, which definitely has genders.  What is more, the words for mother (μήτηρ, I think, but it might be μάτηρ) and father (πατερ) are not the same.

You can make the argument that Jesus spoke Aramaic, which was later transmitted by the Evangelists as Greek.  Aramaic also has genders and in any case, father is abba, and mother is something else (again, Aramaic is not my forte--I'm looking it up in Google, and I'm getting a lot of answers--because there are quite a few languages called Aramaic--none of them are abba).
Title: Re: The stupid, it burns!
Post by: Alondro on November 29, 2007, 05:25:57 PM
We'll either find out who was right when we die (if we get resurrected), or never find out anything (cuz we'll just stay dead).

Except for me, as I am now close to evolving into an energy entity.   :cvsoul
Title: Re: The stupid, it burns!
Post by: Ryudo Lee on November 30, 2007, 11:16:25 AM
Just stirring the embers here, don't mind me...

From the top 100...

"Gravity: Doesn't exist. If items of mass had any impact of others, then mountains should have people orbiting them. Or the space shuttle in space should have the astronauts orbiting it. Of course, that's just the tip of the gravity myth. Think about it. Scientists want us to believe that the sun has a gravitation pull strong enough to keep a planet like neptune or pluto in orbit, but then it's not strong enough to keep the moon in orbit? Why is that? What I believe is going on here is this: These objects in space have yet to receive mans touch, and thus have no sin to weigh them down. This isn't the case for earth, where we see the impact of transfered sin to material objects. The more sin, the heavier something is. "
Title: Re: The stupid, it burns!
Post by: bill on November 30, 2007, 11:23:00 AM
That sounds about right to me  :mowsmile
Title: Re: The stupid, it burns!
Post by: Caswin on November 30, 2007, 11:59:37 AM
Quote from: Ryudo Lee on November 30, 2007, 11:16:25 AM
Just stirring the embers here, don't mind me...

From the top 100...

"Gravity: Doesn't exist. If items of mass had any impact of others, then mountains should have people orbiting them. Or the space shuttle in space should have the astronauts orbiting it. Of course, that's just the tip of the gravity myth. Think about it. Scientists want us to believe that the sun has a gravitation pull strong enough to keep a planet like neptune or pluto in orbit, but then it's not strong enough to keep the moon in orbit? Why is that? What I believe is going on here is this: These objects in space have yet to receive mans touch, and thus have no sin to weigh them down. This isn't the case for earth, where we see the impact of transfered sin to material objects. The more sin, the heavier something is. "
*Headdesk*

So... mountains are... evil.  Merits a groundbreaking fantasy story or something.  But not... this.  Whatever it is.  I'm not sure what this is.

EDIT: On further study by a third party, I'm going to say this is probably a depressingly plausible joke.
Title: Re: The stupid, it burns!
Post by: bill on November 30, 2007, 12:01:37 PM
I'm actually going to call BS on that one.
Title: Re: The stupid, it burns!
Post by: Ryudo Lee on November 30, 2007, 12:02:13 PM
It was a toss up between this and a larger one claiming that the world is flat.
Title: Re: The stupid, it burns!
Post by: Alondro on November 30, 2007, 12:57:57 PM
*grrs*  Anyone who said something that idiotic in our church would be laughed out of the building.  They belong on my TSTL list.  Too Stupid To Live.
Title: Re: The stupid, it burns!
Post by: Caswin on November 30, 2007, 01:55:38 PM
Quote from: BillBuckner on November 30, 2007, 12:01:37 PM
I'm actually going to call BS on that one.
...after thinking about it for five seconds, I am forced to concede that you may be right.  It gets hard to tell.
Title: Re: The stupid, it burns!
Post by: Brunhidden on November 30, 2007, 03:08:02 PM
Quote from: Sienna Maiu - M T on November 29, 2007, 07:39:40 AM
Nope, Jesus was definitely never a Jew, nope.
:B

(http://tn3-2.deviantart.com/fs15/300W/f/2007/047/e/d/we_three_kings__by_Bob_Rz.jpg)
Title: Re: The stupid, it burns!
Post by: Vidar on November 30, 2007, 03:17:20 PM
Quote from: Ryudo Lee on November 30, 2007, 12:02:13 PM
It was a toss up between this and a larger one claiming that the world is flat.

* cough *

http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum//

Yes, these people are serious.


Also, ethocentricism is rampant. Many seem to believe that the King James Version of the bible is the most holy of all, and the original greek and hebrew texts are pagan devilworshipping bits of evil. How stupid can people get?
Title: Re: The stupid, it burns!
Post by: Alondro on November 30, 2007, 04:05:49 PM
Quote from: Vidar on November 30, 2007, 03:17:20 PM
Quote from: Ryudo Lee on November 30, 2007, 12:02:13 PM
It was a toss up between this and a larger one claiming that the world is flat.

* cough *

http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum//

Yes, these people are serious.


:erk  They are?!  I saw that a few years ago.  It was so crazy I thought it was just a joke like the whole site warning against the evils of DMHO (di-hydrogen monoxide... it's deadly and it's everywhere!  :U  ).  Wow... you're sure they really believe it?  That makes Paris Hilton look smart.   :B
Title: Re: The stupid, it burns!
Post by: Caswin on November 30, 2007, 04:08:25 PM
Quote from: Vidar on November 30, 2007, 03:17:20 PM
Quote from: Ryudo Lee on November 30, 2007, 12:02:13 PM
It was a toss up between this and a larger one claiming that the world is flat.

* cough *

http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum//

Yes, these people are serious.
You're sure?

I've just looked at one topic (http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=18266.0) so far, but it seems to indicate that many "members" seem to want to poke fun at the idea.
Title: Re: The stupid, it burns!
Post by: xHaZxMaTx on November 30, 2007, 04:10:33 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth_Society

srsly
Title: Re: The stupid, it burns!
Post by: Faerie Alex on November 30, 2007, 04:11:33 PM
Quote from: Ryudo Lee on November 30, 2007, 11:16:25 AM
Just stirring the embers here, don't mind me...

From the top 100...

"Gravity: Doesn't exist. If items of mass had any impact of others, then mountains should have people orbiting them. Or the space shuttle in space should have the astronauts orbiting it. Of course, that's just the tip of the gravity myth. Think about it. Scientists want us to believe that the sun has a gravitation pull strong enough to keep a planet like neptune or pluto in orbit, but then it's not strong enough to keep the moon in orbit? Why is that? What I believe is going on here is this: These objects in space have yet to receive mans touch, and thus have no sin to weigh them down. This isn't the case for earth, where we see the impact of transfered sin to material objects. The more sin, the heavier something is. "
'Cept that Mt. Everest is about 8.8 km high, and the Earth is about 6,371 km...in radius. And probablly many, many, many, MANY times as dense. (Denser to a very high degree. Very dense.)

I jus had to say it.

Quote from: Vidar on November 30, 2007, 03:17:20 PM
How stupid can people get?
Sadly, very, it would seem.
Title: Re: The stupid, it burns!
Post by: Alondro on November 30, 2007, 04:20:29 PM
Quote from: xHaZxMaTx on November 30, 2007, 04:10:33 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth_Society

srsly

Ooooo-kaayyyyy...

*gets his 'Earth Self-Destruct Button' back out*  I wanna push it... I wanna push it SOOOO much!   :headdesk
Title: Re: The stupid, it burns!
Post by: Faerie Alex on November 30, 2007, 04:32:48 PM
*Smacks with newspaper* No. Bad. No making Earth explode.

Have this (http://images.apple.com/movies/disney/hitchhikers_guide/hitchhikers_guide_m240.mov) instead.
Title: Re: The stupid, it burns!
Post by: Brunhidden on November 30, 2007, 07:59:29 PM
Quote from: modelincard on November 30, 2007, 04:11:33 PM

'Cept that Mt. Everest is about 8.8 km high, and the Earth is about 6,371 km...in radius. And probablly many, many, many, MANY times as dense. (Denser to a very high degree. Very dense.)

I jus had to say it.


extremely more dense, a large percentage of the earth is actually molten iron and nickel, essentially steel, and in the very center the pressure is so great that the molten steel is actually compressed into a solid, and possibly a supersolid in the very center. so yeah, the earth is probably about three times as dense as a mountain.

i really hope that some of the people who rant stupid things like 'gravity does not exist' and 'the earth is flat' spend their afterlives being beaten by physics majors
Title: Re: The stupid, it burns!
Post by: Valynth on November 30, 2007, 09:51:15 PM
Quote from: Brunhidden on November 30, 2007, 07:59:29 PM
i really hope that some of the people who rant stupid things like 'gravity does not exist' and 'the earth is flat' spend their afterlives being beaten by physics majors

Why wait?  :smack
Title: Re: The stupid, it burns!
Post by: Alondro on November 30, 2007, 11:18:23 PM
The earth is actually a 6-dimensional torus, but we can't perceive it because we're only living in 4 dimensions.   :3

*The very next day, someone forms the Torus Earth Society*

Dammit!  I wanted to be cult leader.   :<
Title: Re: The stupid, it burns!
Post by: bill on November 30, 2007, 11:19:47 PM
I still believe the turtle theory
Title: Re: The stupid, it burns!
Post by: Vidar on December 01, 2007, 05:18:31 AM
Quote from: BillBuckner on November 30, 2007, 11:19:47 PM
I still believe the turtle theory

The earth is really 4 ninja turtle brothers in Manhattan, and God is really a very large rat?
Title: Re: The stupid, it burns!
Post by: Reese Tora on December 01, 2007, 05:36:38 AM
Quote from: BillBuckner on November 30, 2007, 11:19:47 PM
I still believe the turtle theory

It's turtles al the way down. :B
Title: Re: The stupid, it burns!
Post by: bill on December 01, 2007, 10:00:45 AM
Quote from: Vidar on December 01, 2007, 05:18:31 AM
Quote from: BillBuckner on November 30, 2007, 11:19:47 PM
I still believe the turtle theory

The earth is really 4 ninja turtle brothers in Manhattan, and God is really a very large rat?
this
Title: Re: The stupid, it burns!
Post by: Tapewolf on December 01, 2007, 10:03:50 AM
Quote from: Vidar on December 01, 2007, 05:18:31 AM
The earth is really 4 ninja turtle brothers in Manhattan, and God is really a very large rat?

The first Church of the Ninja Turtles?  I love it.
Title: Re: The stupid, it burns!
Post by: Dannysaysnoo on December 01, 2007, 10:33:15 AM
Quote from: Tapewolf on December 01, 2007, 10:03:50 AM
Quote from: Vidar on December 01, 2007, 05:18:31 AM
The earth is really 4 ninja turtle brothers in Manhattan, and God is really a very large rat?

The first Church of the Ninja Turtles?  I love it.

"Pizza Pie be Praised"
Title: Re: The stupid, it burns!
Post by: superluser on December 01, 2007, 11:22:50 AM
Quote from: Caswin on November 30, 2007, 04:08:25 PM
Quote from: Vidar on November 30, 2007, 03:17:20 PMYes, these people are serious.
You're sure?

I've just looked at one topic (http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=18266.0) so far, but it seems to indicate that many "members" seem to want to poke fun at the idea.

Some join for the irony, but (from everything I've read) at least a few of them seem to be completely serious.
Title: Re: The stupid, it burns!
Post by: Alondro on December 01, 2007, 02:36:02 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on December 01, 2007, 10:03:50 AM
Quote from: Vidar on December 01, 2007, 05:18:31 AM
The earth is really 4 ninja turtle brothers in Manhattan, and God is really a very large rat?

The first Church of the Ninja Turtles?  I love it.

*makes turtle soup!*

I guess this means I'm the Devil in that religion.   >:3
Title: Re: The stupid, it burns!
Post by: Vidar on December 01, 2007, 03:45:04 PM
Quote from: Alondro on December 01, 2007, 02:36:02 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on December 01, 2007, 10:03:50 AM
Quote from: Vidar on December 01, 2007, 05:18:31 AM
The earth is really 4 ninja turtle brothers in Manhattan, and God is really a very large rat?

The first Church of the Ninja Turtles?  I love it.

*makes turtle soup!*

I guess this means I'm the Devil in that religion.   >:3

Last time I checked, the Shredder wasn't a) female and b) a feline. He's a ninja with a fetish for strapping cutlery to his upper body.
You could be a particularly dastardly foot soldier, though.  :P
Title: Re: The stupid, it burns!
Post by: Reese Tora on December 01, 2007, 04:05:38 PM
Quote from: Alondro on December 01, 2007, 02:36:02 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on December 01, 2007, 10:03:50 AM
Quote from: Vidar on December 01, 2007, 05:18:31 AM
The earth is really 4 ninja turtle brothers in Manhattan, and God is really a very large rat?

The first Church of the Ninja Turtles?  I love it.

*makes turtle soup!*

I guess this means I'm the Devil in that religion.   >:3

Nah, that would make you the priest(ess), and turtle soup the sacrement.
Title: Re: The stupid, it burns!
Post by: Dannysaysnoo on December 01, 2007, 04:06:25 PM
Quote from: Vidar on December 01, 2007, 03:45:04 PM
Quote from: Alondro on December 01, 2007, 02:36:02 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on December 01, 2007, 10:03:50 AM
Quote from: Vidar on December 01, 2007, 05:18:31 AM
The earth is really 4 ninja turtle brothers in Manhattan, and God is really a very large rat?

The first Church of the Ninja Turtles?  I love it.

*makes turtle soup!*

I guess this means I'm the Devil in that religion.   >:3

Last time I checked, the Shredder wasn't a) female and b) a feline. He's a ninja with a fetish for strapping cutlery to his upper body.
You could be a particularly dastardly foot soldier, though.  :P


Dont forget a love of Turtle Soup!
Title: Re: The stupid, it burns!
Post by: Angel on December 01, 2007, 09:48:35 PM
(reads the FES forum FAQ)

......................................  :redrum

Ow.

Quote from: Tapewolf on December 01, 2007, 10:03:50 AM
Quote from: Vidar on December 01, 2007, 05:18:31 AM
The earth is really 4 ninja turtle brothers in Manhattan, and God is really a very large rat?

The first Church of the Ninja Turtles?  I love it.

Hm. So April would be its prophet, Casey Jones would be a paladin, Splinter would be God, and the Turtles would be his messengers?

If we get to fight the Power Rangers, I'm so there.
Title: Re: The stupid, it burns!
Post by: techmaster-glitch on December 01, 2007, 10:46:17 PM
No, I think the turtles are the avenging angels...
Title: Re: The stupid, it burns!
Post by: Vidar on December 04, 2007, 04:39:29 PM
Quote from: Black_angel on December 01, 2007, 09:48:35 PM
(reads the FES forum FAQ)

......................................  :redrum

Ow.

Quote from: Tapewolf on December 01, 2007, 10:03:50 AM
Quote from: Vidar on December 01, 2007, 05:18:31 AM
The earth is really 4 ninja turtle brothers in Manhattan, and God is really a very large rat?

The first Church of the Ninja Turtles?  I love it.

Hm. So April would be its prophet, Casey Jones would be a paladin, Splinter would be God, and the Turtles would be his messengers?

If we get to fight the Power Rangers, I'm so there.

Power Ranger-ism is a false doctrine. Do not follow the path of the Zords, for you wil surely be stepped on.

Also, the Turtles could so kick the power rangers' collective butts, zords or no zords.
Title: Re: The stupid, it burns!
Post by: Alondro on December 04, 2007, 05:47:00 PM
Quote from: Reese Tora on December 01, 2007, 04:05:38 PM
Quote from: Alondro on December 01, 2007, 02:36:02 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on December 01, 2007, 10:03:50 AM
Quote from: Vidar on December 01, 2007, 05:18:31 AM
The earth is really 4 ninja turtle brothers in Manhattan, and God is really a very large rat?

The first Church of the Ninja Turtles?  I love it.


*makes turtle soup!*

I guess this means I'm the Devil in that religion.   >:3

Nah, that would make you the priest(ess), and turtle soup the sacrement.

I'm a girl again?  *goes back on antidepressants!*   :mowwink
Title: Re: The stupid, it burns!
Post by: Kitsune Ascendant on December 07, 2007, 08:09:27 PM
Quote from: Vidar on December 04, 2007, 04:39:29 PM
Quote from: Black_angel on December 01, 2007, 09:48:35 PM
(reads the FES forum FAQ)

......................................  :redrum

Ow.

Quote from: Tapewolf on December 01, 2007, 10:03:50 AM
Quote from: Vidar on December 01, 2007, 05:18:31 AM
The earth is really 4 ninja turtle brothers in Manhattan, and God is really a very large rat?

The first Church of the Ninja Turtles?  I love it.

Hm. So April would be its prophet, Casey Jones would be a paladin, Splinter would be God, and the Turtles would be his messengers?

If we get to fight the Power Rangers, I'm so there.

Power Ranger-ism is a false doctrine. Do not follow the path of the Zords, for you wil surely be stepped on.

Also, the Turtles could so kick the power rangers' collective butts, zords or no zords.

No. NO! *takes a few deep breaths*
Such lies will surely lead you to oblivion. Do not resist.

THE POWER OF ZORDON COMPELS YOU! THE POWER OF ZORDON COMPELS YOU!

*Ahem*
On a more serious note, It's really like comparing apples to oranges. Only the ninja storm power rangers were anything like ninjas, and that series just plain sucked. In space forever!

Oh, and I'm not sure if this topic makes me want to laugh, or rip the head off a religious nut and beat the afterlife out of them. I'm sure my post started with a point better than that, but you know how it is.
Title: Re: The stupid, it burns!
Post by: Feroluce on December 07, 2007, 11:29:02 PM
I am so so glad that, by the time I had finished reading this topic, it had half turned to spam. That site made me laugh, but was also more then mildly depressing. and really had me reaching for alcahol.  :banghead

on a lighter note, where does Voltron fit in there? They were the original robots-making-bigger-robot heroes. follow the originals, I say =D
Title: Re: The stupid, it burns!
Post by: Reese Tora on December 07, 2007, 11:33:42 PM
Quote from: Alondro on December 04, 2007, 05:47:00 PM
Quote from: Reese Tora on December 01, 2007, 04:05:38 PM
Quote from: Alondro on December 01, 2007, 02:36:02 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on December 01, 2007, 10:03:50 AM
Quote from: Vidar on December 01, 2007, 05:18:31 AM
The earth is really 4 ninja turtle brothers in Manhattan, and God is really a very large rat?

The first Church of the Ninja Turtles?  I love it.


*makes turtle soup!*

I guess this means I'm the Devil in that religion.   >:3

Nah, that would make you the priest(ess), and turtle soup the sacrement.

I'm a girl again?  *goes back on antidepressants!*   :mowwink


That would depend on if I'm speaking to Charles or Charline. :<

(yay, quote tower power!)
Title: Re: The stupid, it burns!
Post by: techmaster-glitch on December 18, 2007, 11:37:05 PM
I have a contribution of stupidity, brought to me by my dear sister.

http://community.comcast.net/comcastportal/board/message?board.id=TheCoffeeShop&thread.id=474420

A few of them made me slam my head on our marble desk, owwwwww.
Title: Re: The stupid, it burns!
Post by: superluser on December 19, 2007, 12:13:12 AM
Quote from: techmaster-glitch on December 18, 2007, 11:37:05 PMhttp://community.comcast.net/comcastportal/board/message?board.id=TheCoffeeShop&thread.id=474420

Police in Radnor , Pa. interrogated a suspect by placing a metal colander on his head and connecting it with wires to a photocopy machine. The message 'He's lying' was placed in the copier, and police pressed the copy button each time they thought the suspect wasn't telling the truth. Believing the 'lie detector' was working, the suspect confessed.

This made News of the Weird.

Unfortunately, it's bunk (http://www.snopes.com/legal/colander.asp).
Title: Re: The stupid, it burns!
Post by: LionHeart on December 19, 2007, 03:24:33 AM
Quote from: superluser on December 19, 2007, 12:13:12 AM
Quote from: techmaster-glitch on December 18, 2007, 11:37:05 PMhttp://community.comcast.net/comcastportal/board/message?board.id=TheCoffeeShop&thread.id=474420

Police in Radnor , Pa. interrogated a suspect by placing a metal colander on his head and connecting it with wires to a photocopy machine. The message 'He's lying' was placed in the copier, and police pressed the copy button each time they thought the suspect wasn't telling the truth. Believing the 'lie detector' was working, the suspect confessed.

This made News of the Weird.

Unfortunately, it's bunk (http://www.snopes.com/legal/colander.asp).

Same goes for number six on that list, apparently:

http://www.snopes.com/autos/techno/cruise.asp