First comic topic, w00t.
I always knew Abel preferred his eggs over easy. Different personality types just SCREAM different kinds of egg styles, don't they? Like, Mab for instance: scrambled.
EDIT: Never mind. :) It suddenly workinates now.
Its the "this is your brain" comic with the egg, Dan, Mab, and Abel posted on the forums some time ago.
Never caught it. It might've been before my time. Haven't been here since the beginning, unfortunately. :mowsad
Saw this comic back then, liked it, and still do. It is teh win :)
As hilarious now as it was then :) oh, I mean... :spidey
Abel, oh you...
This is a nice guest comic...I just hope to get the new one me and Thunderstep are doing
Yeah I agree, this comic is great. Read this first thing in the morning and, Dan and Mab in a "This is your brain" comic combined with Abel in a pink apron...bloody hilarious.
Quote from: Kenji on November 06, 2007, 09:34:42 PM
Its the "this is your brain" comic with the egg, Dan, Mab, and Abel posted on the forums some time ago.
It's an oldie but a goodie.
Quote from: Tapewolf on November 07, 2007, 04:05:22 AM
Quote from: Kenji on November 06, 2007, 09:34:42 PM
Its the "this is your brain" comic with the egg, Dan, Mab, and Abel posted on the forums some time ago.
It's an oldie but a goodie.
ture that :)
so then your brain on DMFA is the same as a normal brain, just nicely decorated?
Quote from: kajet on November 07, 2007, 06:00:27 AM
so then your brain on DMFA is the same as a normal brain, just nicely decorated?
I believe psychedelic would be better :)
You realize what this comic implies...
Abel eats BRAINS!!! :zombiekun2
D:
Quote from: Alondro on November 07, 2007, 02:06:55 PM
You realize what this comic implies...
Abel eats BRAINS!!!
I took it to mean he eats scrambled minds, i.e. confusion.
Quote from: Tapewolf on November 07, 2007, 02:12:27 PM
Quote from: Alondro on November 07, 2007, 02:06:55 PM
You realize what this comic implies...
Abel eats BRAINS!!!
I took it to mean he eats scrambled minds, i.e. confusion.
i took it to mean that Abel eats EGGS!
wait, wasn't that guy banned for drawing mab naked or something?
Quote from: dannysaysnoo on November 07, 2007, 02:22:01 PM
i took it to mean that Abel eats EGGS!
Depends how deep you want to go, doesn't it? :3
Quote from: GabrielsThoughts on November 07, 2007, 02:49:37 PM
wait, wasn't that guy banned for drawing mab naked or something?
He's still in the memberlist, so I'd say not. Also, why would you get banned for that?
Quote from: GabrielsThoughts on November 07, 2007, 02:49:37 PM
wait, wasn't that guy banned for drawing mab naked or something?
Which guy?
I'm assuming he means the artist of the guest strip - Paul.
To my knowledge, there has only been 4 people who have drawn Mab naked...myself included. And none of them have been banned.
Quote from: Amber Williams on November 07, 2007, 04:25:55 PM
To my knowledge, there has only been 4 people who have drawn Mab naked...myself included. And none of them have been banned.
My world has been turned on its head, not only you knew people were drawing Mab naked, but YOU DREW HER NAKED AS WELL?????????
I'm the artist. You don't think I have unclothed model sheets of all my characters?
NO I DON'T! would anyone expect Matt Groening to have Marge Simpson naked!?
....................oh my god.......................
i just realized you must have fa'lina naked as well......
*quirks brow* You do realize naked can also simply mean "lacking clothes". The model sheets are about as anotomically correct as a barbie doll. I simply use them to make sure I have markings in the right place.
Not everything naked results in "durh hurh naughty bits" you know.
i do now, as long as you don't release them on tha intarweb for folk to fill in.
Quote from: dannysaysnoo on November 07, 2007, 05:17:03 PM
i just realized you must have fa'lina naked as well......
And I just realized that post is about twice as big as it needs to be.
If people want to draw dangly bits on my characters, that's their perogative. It doesn't bug me either way as long as people aren't going out of their way to put them on a place that is easily accessible to the minor readers of my comic. Contrary to popular belief, the reason DMFA is a PG comic is because I chose for it to be...not because I have some grudge against mature artwork.
Quote from: Amber Williams on November 07, 2007, 05:30:50 PM
If people want to draw dangly bits on my characters, that's their perogative. It doesn't bug me either way as long as people aren't going out of their way to put them on a place that is easily accessible to the minor readers of my comic. Contrary to popular belief, the reason DMFA is a PG comic is because I chose for it to be...not because I have some grudge against mature artwork.
just as long as the comic doesn't die over night, and you don't draw said danglies, i'll be fine.
Quote from: dannysaysnoo on November 07, 2007, 05:32:35 PM
just as long as the comic doesn't die over night, and you don't draw said danglies, i'll be fine.
Man, where were
you when brains were handed out? Behind the door?
Either of these is her choice. It's her comic, she draws it because she wants to. Us viewing it is a nice bonus, but totally irrelevant. And it's her characters. If she wants to draw danglies, then she's perfectly allowed to. The only limitation is she can't then go and hand them out to minors, because that would be against the law. Barring that, she can do whatever the hell she wants with her characters, and we, as a group or as individuals, have exactly zero say in anything about it.
Sheesh.
Quote from: Amber Williams on November 07, 2007, 05:21:56 PM
*quirks brow* You do realize naked can also simply mean "lacking clothes". The model sheets are about as anotomically correct as a barbie doll. I simply use them to make sure I have markings in the right place.
Not everything naked results in "durh hurh naughty bits" you know.
Awwwww.......... :c
XD Yeah, I'm perverted....... And I also do realize that tid bit of info right there
Also: ABEL IS A ZOMBEH! RUN!
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on November 07, 2007, 06:17:22 PM
Quote from: dannysaysnoo on November 07, 2007, 05:32:35 PM
just as long as the comic doesn't die over night, and you don't draw said danglies, i'll be fine.
Man, where were you when brains were handed out? Behind the door?
Amen to that...
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on November 07, 2007, 06:17:22 PM
Quote from: dannysaysnoo on November 07, 2007, 05:32:35 PM
just as long as the comic doesn't die over night, and you don't draw said danglies, i'll be fine.
Man, where were you when brains were handed out? Behind the door?
Either of these is her choice. It's her comic, she draws it because she wants to. Us viewing it is a nice bonus, but totally irrelevant. And it's her characters. If she wants to draw danglies, then she's perfectly allowed to. The only limitation is she can't then go and hand them out to minors, because that would be against the law. Barring that, she can do whatever the hell she wants with her characters, and we, as a group or as individuals, have exactly zero say in anything about it.
Sheesh.
Er, I'm assuming that the dangly bits you are discussing aren't earrings. ;)
Such a decision would also suggest the need for a home page that notifies the viewer that the material may be adult in nature, and that they shouldn't view it unless they have reached a legal age.
Naldru: I said that, didn't I?
Nothing stops Amber from being able to -draw- such content.
Laws stop her from publishing it to possible minors.
That would imply that, should she load such a drawing onto her site, she should probably include such a warning....
I dunno...does the law apply to characters of races/species that don't even exist? I mean, you can't make a law banning/restricting things that don't exist, obviously....they aren't animals, and they aren't people.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know what a nipple and vagina are kamunt when it comes to looking a picture. Even if said things are attached to a fictional creature. As such, I'm pretty sure flagrant displays of eiher could fall within a definition of pornography. But that isn't really the point.
The point is more that a creator should hold themselves responsible for the content they produce. If I was to start up mature artwork, I would only want to do so in a manner in which those who don't want to be exposed to such things wouldn't stumble upon it. That isn't really the law so much as common courtesy and common sense.
Other than that, I am more or less free to do what I want with my characters. And at this point, I am opting to keep an all-age production. Should I ever want to delve into more mature things, then I will. But at this time, mature artwork holds little to no interest. Especially considering the costs severly outweigh any benefits from doing so.
Quote from: Amber Williams on November 07, 2007, 09:38:55 PM
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know what a nipple and vagina are kamunt when it comes to looking a picture. Even if said things are attached to a fictional creature. As such, I'm pretty sure flagrant displays of eiher could fall within a definition of pornography.
X3 Fair enough.
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Should I ever want to delve into more mature things, then I will.
I know what you mean by "mature", but I must say that Abel's Story is already pretty mature as it is. Blood and guts, flagrant cursing, deeply disturbing one young 'cubi, suicide, dark outlook in general...that's pretty mature to me. Knockers or not. :mowmeep
Quote from: Kamunt on November 07, 2007, 09:24:36 PM
I dunno...does the law apply to characters of races/species that don't even exist? I mean, you can't make a law banning/restricting things that don't exist, obviously....they aren't animals, and they aren't people.
A few cases involving this type of discussion have actually reached the Supreme Court of the United States of America. I believe the general feeling was that while the court dislikes sweeping statements limiting the distribution of material, they do realize that circumstances may arise where media that does not involve real people will still come under the jurisdiction of the laws banning the distribution of "adult" material.
Remember that we are dealing with anthropomorphic characters. The fact that they have human properties would probably place them under the same rules as media involving human beings. The fact that the characters are fictional and the illustrations are not of living actors was where I recall the court saying they reserved the right to look at such cases as they arose.
The one thing that bothers me is that there exists some dishonesty about some of the people trying to pass laws about adult material. They claim that their goal is to stop dissemination to minors, but their actual goal appears to prevent dissemination of the material to anybody. This distinction results in laws that are vague, unenforceable, and frequently overturned by the courts.
What I'd like to see is a meta tag established for "adult" material that would be required to be placed on all web pages involving such material. Since all this requires is a computer readable statement concerning the material, I feel that it would be approved by the courts. Browsers could then install "parental controls" that would check for these flags. Simple, enforceable, and it wouldn't require a massive bureaucracy.
Personally, I prefer PG (and maybe PG-13) comics to those having the dangly and naughty bits hanging out for all to see. For too much of the "adult" material, the goal seems to be to see how big the bits (and tits) can be and this tends to detract from the story.
To llearch
I had assumed that your comments referred to active distribution of material as opposed to making it available for viewing by others. You apparently were including both categories, which I didn't understand at the time.
Edit:
To Amber
I agree completely that's it mainly due to the creator rather than the material itself. However, calling the fan base of some of these items morons may be giving them credit for too much intelligence. They seem to be imbeciles at best.
Quote from: Naldru on November 07, 2007, 09:57:53 PM
Personally, I prefer PG (and maybe PG-13) comics to those having the dangly and naughty bits hanging out for all to see. For too much of the "adult" material, the goal seems to be to see how big the bits (and tits) can be and this tends to detract from the story.
I tend to find that a fault of the creator moreso than the material. It's an unfortunate case that when adult content is added into an equation, most people then round out to the lowest common denominator. Which can be understandable...as sex sells and sells well. Unfortunately it also tends to come with a negative side effect that no one ever really sees your work as anything but the mature content.
However, there are several strips that do have a decent balance between adult content and storyline. It's hard to do, but I have seen it pulled off on a few occasions. Even then though, many will consider what they do a porn comic because of the adult situations. It has never failed to amaze me that for a medium that requires all its viewers to be 18+, most adult centered fanbases are filled to the brim with immature morons.
Quote from: Amber Williams on November 07, 2007, 10:10:21 PM
However, there are several strips that do have a decent balance between adult content and storyline. It's hard to do, but I have seen it pulled off on a few occasions. Even then though, many will consider what they do a porn comic because of the adult situations. It has never failed to amaze me that for a medium that requires all its viewers to be 18+, most adult centered fanbases are filled to the brim with immature morons.
A
MEN!! :U It's literally completely ridiculous. I couldn't have said it any better myself.
Quote from: Naldru on November 07, 2007, 09:57:53 PM
I had assumed that your comments referred to active distribution of material as opposed to making it available for viewing by others. You apparently were including both categories, which I didn't understand at the time.
S'ok. It was the end of a long day, and coming right after the previous post, I was, possibly, more abrupt than I might otherwise have been. Apologies on both sides, then.
*Charles will draw Fa'lina naked! And doing naughty things!* :mwaha
*Charline merely smirks* Oh gee... more poorly drawn stick figure pr0n on the Internets. Whatever will we do.
*Charles* :<
Quote from: GabrielsThoughts on November 07, 2007, 02:49:37 PMwait, wasn't that guy banned for drawing mab naked or something?
Who, me? I have never drawn any DMFA characters naked.
*hand wave* This is not the Mab pr0n you are looking for.
Seriously, though... what Amber said. Naked does not necessarily equal pr0n. It comes down to how it's done. I've drawn plenty of naked people in life drawing classes, and those drawings are utterly non-erotic.
Quote from: Paul on November 08, 2007, 03:07:53 PM
Who, me? I have never drawn any DMFA characters naked.
.. does that include the eggs?
Quote from: Paul on November 08, 2007, 03:07:53 PMSeriously, though... what Amber said. Naked does not necessarily equal pr0n. It comes down to how it's done. I've drawn plenty of naked people in life drawing classes, and those drawings are utterly non-erotic.
Well, of course. For many years I've known the phrase "artistic nudity". "Artistic" being the primary word. I saw many wonderful works of art while in Chicago that involved nudity. The body can be a beautiful thing. :)
*Is suddenly reminded of Robert Mapplethorpe.* :paranoid
Quote from: xHaZxMaTx on November 08, 2007, 04:05:49 PM
*Is suddenly reminded of Robert Mapplethorpe.* :paranoid
That was more than the people being naked. It involved the individuals who had their pictures taken and their actions in the photos. There was a lot of debate about that book. I think the general consensus for a lot of people was that it was artistic but they didn't want small children seeing it.
If you remember the recent Michael Jackson trial, there was a lot of talk about a book that was kept locked away in Neverland. From some comments that I heard, I believe that that was the Maplethorpe book.
By the way, Amber mentioned that there were some items of media that had adult themes and still had a storyline. One that comes to mind was a comic book called The Pro. (An alien gives a prostitute superpowers just to see what happens.)
I didn't say what it was or wasn't, I just said I was reminded of it. :B
I remember reading the Pro. While a bit crude in some parts, it did stay true to itself.
Oftentimes it is one of those things an artist has to decide when doing their comic, basically how mature do they want to go. Not to mention one has to consider the concequences one can get dealt when dealing with mature stuff. In regards to the people who have drawn naked Mab: 1 was somewhat out of the blue and I've never been certain how to react to that. 2 were done as jokes, which I was aware they were doing and laughed about. It goes about the same of any mature artwork I draw: 85% of them are done as a joke because it's funny to me. (10% are done because I witness someone trying to draw a nude figure so terribly I have to step in and draw a counter-model to show them what they are doing wrong)
I decided a while back DMFA's main story will A) try to do humour first, drama last and B)be as many-age friendly as possible. Mikelo's Story might contain more adult elements....that's more a "cross the bridge when we get there". Apartment Complexity will more than likely have adult elements, but I don't really see it as a sex comic so much as a comic where occasionally a character will probably have sex. Guess that will be up to other people to decide.
I guess it boils down to: I have no problem with nudity. I don't even have a problem with mature content. I just have a problem with other people and their interpretation of it. Be they the "durh hurh. Mab drew porn. :B" types or the "Omg! You can't draw anything mature EVAH!" types.
Quote from: Amber Williams on November 09, 2007, 04:28:10 PMApartment Complexity will more than likely have adult elements, but I don't really see it as a sex comic so much as a comic where occasionally a character will probably have sex. Guess that will be up to other people to decide.
Once a character has sex, everyone expects them to always be having sex. :B
Considering simple nature, I'm sure some of the characters wouldn't mind that setup themselves. :U
Quote from: Amber Williams on November 09, 2007, 04:28:10 PM
I remember reading the Pro. While a bit crude in some parts, it did stay true to itself.
Oftentimes it is one of those things an artist has to decide when doing their comic, basically how mature do they want to go. Not to mention one has to consider the concequences one can get dealt when dealing with mature stuff. In regards to the people who have drawn naked Mab: 1 was somewhat out of the blue and I've never been certain how to react to that. 2 were done as jokes, which I was aware they were doing and laughed about. It goes about the same of any mature artwork I draw: 85% of them are done as a joke because it's funny to me. (10% are done because I witness someone trying to draw a nude figure so terribly I have to step in and draw a counter-model to show them what they are doing wrong)
I decided a while back DMFA's main story will A) try to do humour first, drama last and B)be as many-age friendly as possible. Mikelo's Story might contain more adult elements....that's more a "cross the bridge when we get there". Apartment Complexity will more than likely have adult elements, but I don't really see it as a sex comic so much as a comic where occasionally a character will probably have sex. Guess that will be up to other people to decide.
I guess it boils down to: I have no problem with nudity. I don't even have a problem with mature content. I just have a problem with other people and their interpretation of it. Be they the "durh hurh. Mab drew porn. :B" types or the "Omg! You can't draw anything mature EVAH!" types.
wait, you missed 5%.
Quote from: Amber Williams on November 09, 2007, 04:38:33 PM
Considering simple nature, I'm sure some of the characters wouldn't mind that setup themselves. :U
:shifty Now now...Dont go asuming things thats already been thought of...I still have that audio from that crazy lemon...
Quote from: dannysaysnoo on November 09, 2007, 05:40:58 PM
wait, you missed 5%.
... by implication, that would be the 5% that she does as -serious- naked artwork.
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on November 09, 2007, 05:57:20 PM
Quote from: dannysaysnoo on November 09, 2007, 05:40:58 PM
wait, you missed 5%.
... by implication, that would be the 5% that she does as -serious- naked artwork.
You would be correct good sir. :U
I should probably also add that of the percentages I'm giving, I'm not counting the MIND-NUMBING figure drawing research. Cause at this point, I might as well be looking at a bowl of fruit much less a reclining nude figure. It feels about the same when you are having to try to draw it in under 30 minutes. 'A'
Quote from: Amber Williams on November 09, 2007, 06:40:08 PM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on November 09, 2007, 05:57:20 PM
Quote from: dannysaysnoo on November 09, 2007, 05:40:58 PM
wait, you missed 5%.
... by implication, that would be the 5% that she does as -serious- naked artwork.
You would be correct good sir. :U
I should probably also add that of the percentages I'm giving, I'm not counting the MIND-NUMBING figure drawing research. Cause at this point, I might as well be looking at a bowl of fruit much less a reclining nude figure. It feels about the same when you are having to try to draw it in under 30 minutes. 'A'
Bowl of fruits. DMFA crew. Bowl of fruits. DMFA crew.
Nope. Not seeing a difference here.
Quote from: Kenji on November 09, 2007, 07:14:56 PM
Quote from: Amber Williams on November 09, 2007, 06:40:08 PM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on November 09, 2007, 05:57:20 PM
Quote from: dannysaysnoo on November 09, 2007, 05:40:58 PM
wait, you missed 5%.
... by implication, that would be the 5% that she does as -serious- naked artwork.
You would be correct good sir. :U
I should probably also add that of the percentages I'm giving, I'm not counting the MIND-NUMBING figure drawing research. Cause at this point, I might as well be looking at a bowl of fruit much less a reclining nude figure. It feels about the same when you are having to try to draw it in under 30 minutes. 'A'
Bowl of fruits. DMFA crew. Bowl of fruits. DMFA crew.
Nope. Not seeing a difference here.
Okay, it might be because it's midnight, but I find this very snicker-worthily-amusing.
Quote from: Kenji on November 09, 2007, 07:14:56 PM
Bowl of fruits. DMFA crew. Bowl of fruits. DMFA crew.
Nope. Not seeing a difference here.
STRAIGHT. AS. ARROWS. :V
Quote from: Kenji on November 09, 2007, 07:14:56 PM
Bowl of fruits. DMFA crew. Bowl of fruits. DMFA crew.
Nope. Not seeing a difference here.
So true, except for the Able's story-specific characters
Quote from: Amber Williams on November 10, 2007, 06:15:19 AM
Quote from: Kenji on November 09, 2007, 07:14:56 PM
Bowl of fruits. DMFA crew. Bowl of fruits. DMFA crew.
Nope. Not seeing a difference here.
STRAIGHT. AS. ARROWS. :V
I'll belive that when I am payed 200 grand to be a Albanions buttslave...:shifty
Quote from: Zedd on November 10, 2007, 06:02:07 PM
Quote from: Amber Williams on November 10, 2007, 06:15:19 AM
Quote from: Kenji on November 09, 2007, 07:14:56 PM
Bowl of fruits. DMFA crew. Bowl of fruits. DMFA crew.
Nope. Not seeing a difference here.
STRAIGHT. AS. ARROWS. :V
I'll belive that when I am payed 200 grand to be a Albanions buttslave...:shifty
'A' Horrible images.......... stuck...... in mind...... they......just.... won't..... get........ OUT! D:
Quote from: Amber Williams on November 10, 2007, 06:15:19 AM
Quote from: Kenji on November 09, 2007, 07:14:56 PM
Bowl of fruits. DMFA crew. Bowl of fruits. DMFA crew.
Nope. Not seeing a difference here.
STRAIGHT. AS. ARROWS. :V
(http://www.speedysigns.com/images/decals/140c/Speedy/SHAPES/BNTARROW.gif)
Nuff said.
thats not a very straight arrow.
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Quote from: dannysaysnoo on November 11, 2007, 03:26:02 PM
thats not a very straight arrow.
[/obvious]
How astute of you captain.
Bent arrows don't fly very well.
Quote from: Zedd on November 10, 2007, 06:02:07 PM
Quote from: Amber Williams on November 10, 2007, 06:15:19 AM
Quote from: Kenji on November 09, 2007, 07:14:56 PM
Bowl of fruits. DMFA crew. Bowl of fruits. DMFA crew.
Nope. Not seeing a difference here.
STRAIGHT. AS. ARROWS. :V
I'll belive that when I am payed 200 grand to be a Albanions buttslave...:shifty
*smacks head on Desk*
Out.. Out.. .Get out!
They must hate you, then.
This is as close as you will get to mature drawing in a DMFA comic :p
http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_428.php
That or the nekkid Dan pic in my sig. Heh.