http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel106.jpg
Discuss.
Dramatic lighting effects! Also lightning! Freaking out Abel! "Fuck you so hard"!
Considering the tune of the last few comics in the arc, I find this one incredibly mirthful.
On the serious side of things, it looks like Falina DOES know of the newest addition to the Academy.. unless that's just random ion particles sparking off, but in the Academy? Unlikely.
Fa'lina said that she was omniscient within the academy, so I would assume that she does know.
Also, Abel's eyes in the last panel are amusing.
(http://i22.tinypic.com/117haa9.png)
Well, his eyes can move at least.
Interesting that Aniz is being all friendly now, still he's an incubus and they tend to be emotionally unstable...
I can't help wondering if the last comment by Aniz is a threat or wishful thinking...
After all, even Pip described Fa'lina as beautiful.
However if she is a permanently beautiful succubus, why does she wear so much make up?
Aniz looks good in his new threads but still has the S.A.M hair style.
Quote from: Tapewolf on October 27, 2007, 04:58:30 AM
Well, his eyes can move at least.
Interesting that Aniz is being all friendly now, still he's an incubus and they tend to be emotionally unstable...
His stance changes per panel as if he's slowly getting up. (apart from the lightning ones)
Also, now he's on his home turf, with his beloved son. Wouldn't you be friendly?
Quote from: Mwa on October 27, 2007, 05:18:33 AM
Also, now he's on his home turf, with his beloved son. Wouldn't you be friendly?[/color]
Beloved? Are you sure about that?
Quote from: MT Hazard on October 27, 2007, 05:00:39 AM
I can't help wondering if the last comment by Aniz is a threat or wishful thinking...
Eh, I get the feeling that our good friend Aniz isn't exactly on the best of terms with our better friend Amelia Earhar- I mean Fa'lina.
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on October 27, 2007, 05:27:24 AM
Beloved? Are you sure about that?
Don't think you
can be sure, but I actually am starting to get the feeling that he cares for Abel as his son, even if he's bad at showing it. Some people show it with love and kisses, others show it by slicing foreheads and beating mothers and kidnapping and whatnot.
Reading over this post, I realize that sleep deprivation is not a good thing for me.
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on October 27, 2007, 05:27:24 AM
Quote from: Mwa on October 27, 2007, 05:18:33 AM
Also, now he's on his home turf, with his beloved son. Wouldn't you be friendly?[/color]
Beloved? Are you sure about that?
Can we truly be sure of anything in this comic?
Hmm we're forgetting something here...Oh yeah, *Applauds Amber for the wicked lightning effects*
I do believe that any attempts to copulate with Fa'Lina in such a manner as Aniz describes would net a painful torture session.
Are you sure she wouldn't enjoy such a thing, je.saist? ;-]
Hmmm Maybe Aniz is going out with Fa'lina :3
You know, here's the big question coming to my mind... if they're already at the Academy... will Aniz be dying at some point soon.... or will he make an appearance in the main comic?.... oooo, the suspense.
Edit: Oh, and kudos to Fa'lina for ticking Aniz off
Quote from: Kuari on October 27, 2007, 06:46:19 AM
You know, here's the big question coming to my mind... if they're already at the Academy... will Aniz be dying at some point soon.... or will he make an appearance in the main comic?.... oooo, the suspense.
My pet theory has been that he died a few years before the mainline began. The evidence for that really hinges on how Abel and Aniz get on now they're both in the Academy.
is it just me, or did aniz suddenly develop a very slight pot belly? maybe fatherhood is creeping up on him, what with having a spat with a woman and male bonding with his loinfruit
Quote from: computer nerd on October 27, 2007, 06:10:15 AM
Hmmm Maybe Aniz is going out with Fa'lina :3
Quoting JKR: "Oh, my god, the fan fiction." >:3
Quote from: Brunhidden on October 27, 2007, 07:37:23 AM
is it just me, or did aniz suddenly develop a very slight pot belly? maybe fatherhood is creeping up on him, what with having a spat with a woman and male bonding with his loinfruit
In the first frame? Looks a bit like it. Shapeshifting helps of course, but when you don't need food at all anymore, I imagine you'd have to watch your diet if you want to keep your base form lean.
Eeek! Scary lightning!
Now all we need is the dramatic organ riffs :mwaha
Quote from: rt on October 27, 2007, 08:13:53 AM
Eeek! Scary lightning!
Now all we need is the dramatic organ riffs :mwaha
You called?
http://www.jpmorris.force9.co.uk/music/abel_organ.mp3
So is Fa'Lina here, or is she just sending her lightning as a vanguard?
Given what we know about the future, I suspect that this the chickens are coming home to roost.
the pink poodle is doubtless lurking somewhere building up drama and stuffing her face :doommuffin
remember cubi=drama, cubi=long theatrical exposition, cubi=camera hog, all the attention has to be on the cubi :disco
*Charline hmms* Abel's introduction to the SAIA: mother abused, best friend sliced and diced, father suddenly a cubi who reveals he killed the original, warped with no explanation to a strange place with ominous foreboding...
And now we know why he's emotionally mal-adjusted.
Ya see, this is why Hogwarts decided to go with the letters. :3
Quote from: Brunhidden on October 27, 2007, 07:37:23 AM
is it just me, or did aniz suddenly develop a very slight pot belly? maybe fatherhood is creeping up on him, what with having a spat with a woman and male bonding with his loinfruit
Could it be that the shirt (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_97.php) had a magic spell on it that made him appear slimmer. And that's why he really loved that shirt?
Well, Falinas lucky that Pip is not around (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_129.php).
From page 58 onward its pretty much been a nonstopping :cry :mowdizzy :mowsad ride for Abel and me as as the reader (thanks to character empathy :hug). Sure it was successful in carving deep scars in Abels mind, but i for one can enjoy watching childhood traumas only for so long.
With corpses,blood and traumas on the left and relationship problems and curses and evil faes on the right i kinda miss the old lighthearted absurd stuff. I guess since im not a big fan of baseless speculation, mainly story-driven arcs just arent my cup of tea. They include too much of that "sense making" thingy.
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on October 27, 2007, 05:27:24 AM
Quote from: Mwa on October 27, 2007, 05:18:33 AM
Also, now he's on his home turf, with his beloved son. Wouldn't you be friendly?[/color]
Beloved? Are you sure about that?
Aniz was mad because Fa'lina tried to scare his son with a practical joke. The eight ball says, "Yes."
With regards,
Ted
Quote from: Alondro on October 27, 2007, 09:29:40 AM
*Charline hmms* Abel's introduction to the SAIA: mother abused, best friend sliced and diced, father suddenly a cubi who reveals he killed the original, warped with no explanation to a strange place with ominous foreboding...
And now we know why he's emotionally mal-adjusted.
Ya see, this is why Hogwarts decided to go with the letters. :3
Your post is full of win.
Quote from: Tapewolf on October 27, 2007, 06:53:28 AM
Quote from: Kuari on October 27, 2007, 06:46:19 AM
You know, here's the big question coming to my mind... if they're already at the Academy... will Aniz be dying at some point soon.... or will he make an appearance in the main comic?.... oooo, the suspense.
My pet theory has been that he died a few years before the mainline began. The evidence for that really hinges on how Abel and Aniz get on now they're both in the Academy.
I think it was Edward that killed him. It would explain why Abel seems to owe him for something.
Quote from: AndersW on October 27, 2007, 10:07:44 AM
I think it was Edward that killed him. It would explain why Abel seems to owe him for something.
Yep, that's the one. That particular variant only works if Abel still despises him about 350 years later, though there are other versions where they've made their peace and Edward
saved him.
The odd thing is, I do not think the lighting and thunder scared Abel. Surprised him, yes. Of all the things that happened to Abel this day, the lighting and thunder, which were outside, were the most normal. Compare Abel's mouth in the second picture and the last. In the second picture, scared. In the last, he is just pensive.
With regards,
Ted
Quote from: Tapewolf on October 27, 2007, 07:39:45 AM
Quote from: Brunhidden on October 27, 2007, 07:37:23 AM
is it just me, or did aniz suddenly develop a very slight pot belly?
In the first frame? Looks a bit like it.
Could be. Or it could just be a combination of the way he's standing, leaning slightly back, and the bulky jacket.
I wonder, though, what did Fa'lina mean with the flash of lightning? Just a spot of dramatic necessity? An "I'm watching" message to Aniz? Both?
Quote from: Tapewolf on October 27, 2007, 06:53:28 AM
Quote from: Kuari on October 27, 2007, 06:46:19 AM
You know, here's the big question coming to my mind... if they're already at the Academy... will Aniz be dying at some point soon.... or will he make an appearance in the main comic?.... oooo, the suspense.
My pet theory has been that he died a few years before the mainline began. The evidence for that really hinges on how Abel and Aniz get on now they're both in the Academy.
or, there is the possibility that it was him disguised as Xander at SAIA ...Amber person never did explain that well enough for my liking.
Quote from: SpottedKitty on October 27, 2007, 10:22:37 AM
Quote from: Tapewolf on October 27, 2007, 07:39:45 AM
Quote from: Brunhidden on October 27, 2007, 07:37:23 AM
is it just me, or did aniz suddenly develop a very slight pot belly?
In the first frame? Looks a bit like it.
Could be. Or it could just be a combination of the way he's standing, leaning slightly back, and the bulky jacket.
I wonder, though, what did Fa'lina mean with the flash of lightning? Just a spot of dramatic necessity? An "I'm watching" message to Aniz? Both?
I think she was just doing it for the humor and to usurp what Aniz just said.
Genuinely funny. I laughed.
Oh, Fa'Lina. You always know how to screw with new students minds!
I love how, amidst all the trauma and fear, Abel still has room for an incredulous "are you kidding?" factor in the second panel.
... Abel's Story.. making me... HAPPY? :erk
Of course, all this mess goes a long way to explaining Abel's goth phase.
"[bleep] you so hard!" Now that's what I call a punchline. It's a good example how a good joke doesn't have to be too smart in order to be funny 8)
The power of love for special effects is strong with this one....
http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_555.php
see the red winged Dali in the middle panel, that's Aniz disguised as Xander I'm sure of it...
(insert paranoid circumstantial evidence)
Hee-hee-hee...Fa'Lina is so dramatic.
Quote from: GabrielsThoughts on October 27, 2007, 01:01:30 PM
http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_555.php
see the red winged Dali in the middle panel, that's Aniz disguised as Xander I'm sure of it...
(insert paranoid circumstantial evidence)
I've heard that dalmatian is female...not sure where, though.
Does anyone else think that Aniz's attitude here towards Fa'lina actually remind them of Abel in some sort of way? >>
Quote from: modelincard on October 27, 2007, 02:20:16 PM
I've heard that dalmatian is female...not sure where, though.
http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php?topic=1723.msg70210#msg70210
'Tis in the wiki. In case anyone else made the same mistake as me.
Quote from: Tapewolf on October 27, 2007, 02:34:26 PM
Quote from: modelincard on October 27, 2007, 02:20:16 PM
I've heard that dalmatian is female...not sure where, though.
http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php?topic=1723.msg70210#msg70210
'Tis in the wiki. In case anyone else made the same mistake as me.
Everyone has made that mistake...Thunk it but didnt say it though
Fa'Lina! You're not helping!
And now Aniz is swearing in front of his son! I'd be willing to bet that's something that Cid would never do, especially with the F-word! Shame on you, Aniz! Shame!
Quote from: Aleolus on October 27, 2007, 03:15:45 PM
And now Aniz is swearing in front of his son! I'd be willing to bet that's something that Cid would never do, especially with the F-word! Shame on you, Aniz! Shame!
I kinda think that Aniz knows that his son's view of him has hit rock bottom anyway, so a few f-bombs won't really make any difference at that point.
Quote from: Sid on October 27, 2007, 03:32:05 PM
Quote from: Aleolus on October 27, 2007, 03:15:45 PM
And now Aniz is swearing in front of his son! I'd be willing to bet that's something that Cid would never do, especially with the F-word! Shame on you, Aniz! Shame!
I kinda think that Aniz knows that his son's view of him has hit rock bottom anyway, so a few f-bombs won't really make any difference at that point.
So basicly saying is...F@%$ the F@#$ing F#&@ers!
Quote from: Sid on October 27, 2007, 03:32:05 PM
Quote from: Aleolus on October 27, 2007, 03:15:45 PM
And now Aniz is swearing in front of his son! I'd be willing to bet that's something that Cid would never do, especially with the F-word! Shame on you, Aniz! Shame!
I kinda think that Aniz knows that his son's view of him has hit rock bottom anyway, so a few f-bombs won't really make any difference at that point.
Especially since he already did this (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_99.php).
Sheesh. It's like most people on these forums suffer from long-term memory loss...
Quote from: Tapewolf on October 27, 2007, 02:34:26 PM
Quote from: modelincard on October 27, 2007, 02:20:16 PM
I've heard that dalmatian is female...not sure where, though.
http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php?topic=1723.msg70210#msg70210
'Tis in the wiki. In case anyone else made the same mistake as me.
I see, so clearly the Dalmatian is Abel's Half Sister. Yes, it is all coming clear to me now...
Quote from: GabrielsThoughts on October 27, 2007, 04:34:28 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on October 27, 2007, 02:34:26 PM
Quote from: modelincard on October 27, 2007, 02:20:16 PM
I've heard that dalmatian is female...not sure where, though.
http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php?topic=1723.msg70210#msg70210
'Tis in the wiki. In case anyone else made the same mistake as me.
I see, so clearly the Dalmatian is Abel's Half Sister. Yes, it is all coming clear to me now...
Er, which is the common parent? The father or the mother?
Quote from: techmaster-glitch on October 27, 2007, 01:06:16 PM
Hee-hee-hee...Fa'Lina is so dramatic.
Yes She is but it is a nice touch :3
That last panel made me laugh.
You know what Fa'Lina should have added? Ominous organ music, and evil laughter in the background. Oh yes... that would mess with their puny little minds... >:]
Either that... or it would be too cliche... I dunno.... I fail at life!! :boogie
Quote from: Tapewolf on October 27, 2007, 08:21:30 AM
Quote from: rt on October 27, 2007, 08:13:53 AM
Eeek! Scary lightning!
Now all we need is the dramatic organ riffs :mwaha
You called?
http://www.jpmorris.force9.co.uk/music/abel_organ.mp3
*Joygasm*
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y58/Goatmon/riddlerjoygasm.gif)
I love how the lightning effects make Aniz get shocked.
Also, in response to this:
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on October 27, 2007, 06:08:35 AM
Are you sure she wouldn't enjoy such a thing, je.saist? ;-]
Llearch....don't give anyone any perverted Fanfic or fanart ideas, please...I don't want my mind breaking.
Quote from: KarlOmega1 on October 27, 2007, 11:18:17 PM
I love how the lightning effects make Aniz get shocked.
Also, in response to this:
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on October 27, 2007, 06:08:35 AM
Are you sure she wouldn't enjoy such a thing, je.saist? ;-]
Llearch....don't give anyone any perverted Fanfic or fanart ideas, please...I don't want my mind breaking.
If you're here, then your mind is already broken. >_>
Oh, by the way... to the people who's saying that he has a potbelly: here's something I just thought of...
In the first panel (which i the one in question), he's kinda got his pelvis thrust forward (Read: Sexy Villain Pose #69), but his arm's obscuring his back, so you can't quite see the "arch" in it. QED, he has no pot belly.
...nothing else to say.
Quote from: GabrielsThoughts on October 27, 2007, 01:01:30 PM
http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_555.php
see the red winged Dali in the middle panel, that's Aniz disguised as Xander I'm sure of it...
(insert paranoid circumstantial evidence)
You mean the one that's wearing glasses, and looks female?
Some of you guys are REALLY reaching with these theories. O_o
Quote from: Goatmon on October 28, 2007, 04:48:01 AM
You mean the one that's wearing glasses, and looks female?
Some of you guys are REALLY reaching with these theories. O_o
Since you insist:
(http://www.jpmorris.force9.co.uk/stuff/conversions/xander.png)
This was originally my theory and as a rule I don't normally put my weight behind a theory unless it has at least three pieces of evidence in support of it, and less than three which I can't counter against it.
In this case, the eyes were the same, the hair was the same, and more importantly the spot pattern was the same. Someone who's longsighted is going to need glasses when studying but not when taking out targets from a distance with a longbow.
From what we can see I couldn't tell if they were female or not (Abel confused the heck out of people), and in any case the SAIA dalmatian turned up like a year before Xander, so there could easily have been some artistic drift.
The only thing that was obviously out of whack was the ears, and it seemed more likely that he had changed them some as some kind of shapeshifter fashion statement than it was all a big coincidence.
However, as it turns out she is a succubus not an incubus and Amber reused the colour scheme because it looks cool.
Quote from: KarlOmega1 on October 27, 2007, 11:18:17 PM
I love how the lightning effects make Aniz get shocked.
Also, in response to this:
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on October 27, 2007, 06:08:35 AM
Are you sure she wouldn't enjoy such a thing, je.saist? ;-]
Llearch....don't give anyone any perverted Fanfic or fanart ideas, please...I don't want my mind breaking.
you mean Like Aniz And Fa'lina Are going out somthing like that >:3
Quote from: computer nerd on October 28, 2007, 11:43:36 AM
you mean Like Aniz And Fa'lina Are going out somthing like that >:3
Ack! Kill it! Kill it!
*whacks above post with a flail*
Quote from: KarlOmega1 on October 27, 2007, 11:18:17 PM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on October 27, 2007, 06:08:35 AM
Are you sure she wouldn't enjoy such a thing, je.saist? ;-]
Llearch....don't give anyone any perverted Fanfic or fanart ideas, please...I don't want my mind breaking.
... Ah... Sorry. No can do. I'm -writing- perverted fanfic ideas, so, uh, yeah. Oh, and Amber likes you having your mind broken anyway. *shrug*
Quote from: AnizInDisguise on October 28, 2007, 12:43:49 PM
Quote from: computer nerd on October 28, 2007, 11:43:36 AM
you mean Like Aniz And Fa'lina Are going out somthing like that >:3
Ack! Kill it! Kill it!
*whacks above post with a flail*
Your right maybe some Abel X Aaryanna would do the trick >:3
Quote from: computer nerd on October 28, 2007, 04:11:46 PM
Quote from: AnizInDisguise on October 28, 2007, 12:43:49 PM
Quote from: computer nerd on October 28, 2007, 11:43:36 AM
you mean Like Aniz And Fa'lina Are going out somthing like that >:3
Ack! Kill it! Kill it!
*whacks above post with a flail*
Your right maybe some Abel X Aaryanna would do the trick >:3
It would never happen, but eh, why not? :boogie
hmm, with Abels eyes looking off frame, and Aniz's closing remarks, whats the bet that Falina happens to be in the room? lol.
Quote from: Feroluce on October 29, 2007, 04:32:05 PM
hmm, with Abels eyes looking off frame, and Aniz's closing remarks, whats the bet that Falina happens to be in the room? lol.
Hmm. Well, Abel of course doesn't know yet about Fa'lina and her special abilities while she's in SAIA, so maybe he's just looking for whoever Aniz is talking to. That's one sneaky poodle, though, wouldn't surprise me too much if you were right.
Quote from: SpottedKitty on October 29, 2007, 04:38:16 PM
Quote from: Feroluce on October 29, 2007, 04:32:05 PM
hmm, with Abels eyes looking off frame, and Aniz's closing remarks, whats the bet that Falina happens to be in the room? lol.
Hmm. Well, Abel of course doesn't know yet about Fa'lina and her special abilities while she's in SAIA, so maybe he's just looking for whoever Aniz is talking to. That's one sneaky poodle, though, wouldn't surprise me too much if you were right.
Shes quite a sleathly one indeed :ninja
*Charline uh-uhs* Fa'lina doesn't date. She simply molests when she 'feels the need'. Then eats the souls of her 'date' and leaves the soulless husk sitting at the table staring blankly at the menu to avoid paying for dinner. Don't forget, she's Ebil. :3
Quote from: Alondro on October 29, 2007, 07:07:54 PM
*Charline uh-uhs* Fa'lina doesn't date. She simply molests when she 'feels the need'. Then eats the souls of her 'date' and leaves the soulless husk sitting at the table staring blankly at the menu to avoid paying for dinner. Don't forget, she's Ebil. :3
Fa'lina went out with Aniz eventually. HE WAS DELICIOUS >:3
(obviously I'm kidding)
My vision is of Fa'lina sneaking up behind Aniz while gesturing to Abel to stay quiet. And then scaring Aniz into jumping twenty feet. After all, this does seem to be a habit of Fa'lina.
sneaking up on Dan (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_486.php) and repeat (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_490.php)
sneaking up on Abel (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_532.php)
sneaking up on Merlitz (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_559.php)
sneaking up on Dan again (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_580.php)
sneaking up on Pyroduck (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_727.php)
Hee hee.
Villains with a sense of timing make me very happy. Rock on.
I'm glad to see the setting has changed from the drama for a bit. It was beginning to make me nervous that Abel would be a tragic hero.
Quote from: Black_angel on November 01, 2007, 08:48:42 AM
I'm glad to see the setting has changed from the drama for a bit. It was beginning to make me nervous that Abel would be a tragic hero.
... He is. What leads you to think otherwise?
My dear llearch, one of the most basic facts about tragic heroes is lacking in Abel's life so far. So let me tell it through a memory.
(English class, sophomore year. Book: One flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest. One of the only two good books we had all year.)
Mrs. Brian: Now, we've been studying a lot of tragic heroes this year. McMurphy is following the pattern of a tragic hero. What are some of the common traits about tragic heroes?
Me (realization striking): ...THEY DIE! *thinking* Oh sh*%, McMurphy's gonna die! No no no no no!!! I'm so sick of people dying!
Along with this, he doesn't have hubris until after the tragic event occurs, and that's so he can deflect the pain of his memories. So plot-wise, he is a tragic hero, just not a typical one.
Quote from: Black_angel on November 01, 2007, 10:17:24 AM
My dear Techmaster, one of the most basic facts about tragic heroes is lacking in Abel's life so far. So let me tell it through a memory.
:erk....Ummm.....I never said anything....
Quote from: techmaster-glitch on November 01, 2007, 10:19:58 AM
Quote from: Black_angel on November 01, 2007, 10:17:24 AM
My dear Techmaster, one of the most basic facts about tragic heroes is lacking in Abel's life so far. So let me tell it through a memory.
:erk....Ummm.....I never said anything....
......Damn. I meant llearch. Sorry. (beats self with stupid stick)
Quote from: Black_angel on November 01, 2007, 10:17:24 AM
My dear llearch, one of the most basic facts about tragic heroes is lacking in Abel's life so far. So let me tell it through a memory.
(English class, sophomore year. Book: One flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest. One of the only two good books we had all year.)
Mrs. Brian: Now, we've been studying a lot of tragic heroes this year. McMurphy is following the pattern of a tragic hero. What are some of the common traits about tragic heroes?
Me (realization striking): ...THEY DIE! *thinking* Oh sh*%, McMurphy's gonna die! No no no no no!!! I'm so sick of people dying!
Along with this, he doesn't have hubris until after the tragic event occurs, and that's so he can deflect the pain of his memories. So plot-wise, he is a tragic hero, just not a typical one.
So... He's not a tragic hero, because he didn't die, but he is a tragic hero, only not a typical one?
Pass me that stupid stick, I think you missed. ;-]
...Yeah. I change my thoughts in the middle of a rant sometimes. (taps self with the inconsistency stick) I'll leave this discussion now.
*giggle*
It's ok, I'll wait for you to become coherent, if you like. ;-]
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on November 01, 2007, 03:10:24 PM
*giggle*
It's ok, I'll wait for you to become coherent, if you like. ;-]
Your pension may come first. :mwaha
Quote from: DarkAudit on November 01, 2007, 04:57:15 PM
Your pension may come first. :mwaha
Man, I get a pension for running the forum? This job just keeps getting better and better!
Quote from: Black_angel on November 01, 2007, 10:17:24 AMMrs. Brian: Now, we've been studying a lot of tragic heroes this year. McMurphy is following the pattern of a tragic hero. What are some of the common traits about tragic heroes?
Me (realization striking): ...THEY DIE! *thinking* Oh sh*%, McMurphy's gonna die! No no no no no!!! I'm so sick of people dying!
No, they don't. In the Oedipus trilogy, Oedipus survives until the end of the third play, and Creon dies
of old ageat an old age after the end of Antigone.
I don't know if Achilles counts as a tragic hero, but he's still breathing at the end of the Iliad.
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on November 01, 2007, 05:49:53 PMMan, I get a pension for running the forum? This job just keeps getting better and better!
10% of your annual salary for running the forum.
I'm not sure, but this definition of a tragic hero seems appropriate (http://tttc.org/projects/JZarro2/process2.html). My problem with defining Abel as a tragic hero is not whether he has had a downfall, but what he has done to deserve that downfall. I could see Aniz becoming a tragic hero (He certainly has enough personality flaws.), but I don't see what Abel has done that shows a personality flaw leading to his downfall.
Quote from: Naldru on November 01, 2007, 11:27:14 PM
I'm not sure, but this definition of a tragic hero seems appropriate (http://tttc.org/projects/JZarro2/process2.html). My problem with defining Abel as a tragic hero is not whether he has had a downfall, but what he has done to deserve that downfall. I could see Aniz becoming a tragic hero (He certainly has enough personality flaws.), but I don't see what Abel has done that shows a personality flaw leading to his downfall.
THERE it is! I KNEW something else was missing! You get cookies, Naldru! (gives a plate of snickerdoodles. Or chocolate chip. Whichever you prefer.)
Quote from: superluser on November 01, 2007, 10:47:26 PM
Quote from: Black_angel on November 01, 2007, 10:17:24 AMMrs. Brian: Now, we've been studying a lot of tragic heroes this year. McMurphy is following the pattern of a tragic hero. What are some of the common traits about tragic heroes?
Me (realization striking): ...THEY DIE! *thinking* Oh sh*%, McMurphy's gonna die! No no no no no!!! I'm so sick of people dying!
No, they don't. In the Oedipus trilogy, Oedipus survives until the end of the third play, and Creon dies of old age after the end of Antigone.
I don't know if Achilles counts as a tragic hero, but he's still breathing at the end of the Iliad.
True, Oedipus lives. But at the cost of his sight and what was left of his sanity.
And I never read all of The Iliad, but Achilles did die due to a weakness, which is typical of tragic heroes.
Incidentally, is Macbeth a tragic hero or not? He seems more like a bad guy to me...
I would not say he is, personally, but he fits the definition nicely.
So I disagree with the definition.
Quote from: Black_angel on November 01, 2007, 11:44:23 PMAnd I never read all of The Iliad, but Achilles did die due to a weakness, which is typical of tragic heroes.
But his hamartia was in leaving the battle because Agamemnon wouldn't give him Briseis. His catharsis is in the form of Sarpedon dying. No misfortune happens to Achilles himself, and he is felled much later by an arrow to the heel.
Lock up your daughters! Shoot your sons! Its Fa'Lina the bipolar pink fluff of doom known as Fa'Lina!!
Quote from: superluser on November 02, 2007, 12:53:18 AM
Quote from: Black_angel on November 01, 2007, 11:44:23 PMAnd I never read all of The Iliad, but Achilles did die due to a weakness, which is typical of tragic heroes.
But his hamartia was in leaving the battle because Agamemnon wouldn't give him Briseis. His catharsis is in the form of Sarpedon dying. No misfortune happens to Achilles himself, and he is felled much later by an arrow to the heel.
Agh you make my brain hurt!