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Underground Warehouse => Treasury => The Arena => Topic started by: superluser on September 26, 2007, 03:45:50 AM

Title: Professionals you hate
Post by: superluser on September 26, 2007, 03:45:50 AM
They're the world leaders in their field, but no one can tell how they got there.  It obviously wasn't any talent.

So come on, let it all out.  Who do you hate?

I'll go first:

Massimo Vignelli

Have you ever seen those books or brochures where each page is composed of multiple columns of Helvetica text and a big picture which takes up an integral number of those columns?

Then you know Massimo Vignelli.  You've seen his work.  And his other work, which looks like the same thing.  And his other other work, which looks suspiciously like all of his other work.  It looks like it's designed to be dull.  And it is.

He's responsible for the design of the National Park Service publications

(http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/superluser/pubs-handbooks.jpg)

and the packaging for Heller:

(http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/superluser/heller2.jpg)

and the old NY Metro map:

(http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/superluser/system19721ac-2.jpg)

and the Audubon society:

(http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/superluser/audubon-2.jpg)

Noticing a trend?  Vignelli only knows how to design one thing, and he does it over and over and over again.  And uses a lot of Helvetica.  Maybe it was OK, once upon a time, but at this point. it just looks bland.

So what professionals do you hate?
Title: Re: Professionals you hate
Post by: King Of Hearts on September 26, 2007, 03:57:51 AM
Greg Land

He does great comic art, and does it within the deadlines but... well this could be a good reason of my resentment towards his work.

http://community.livejournal.com/scans_daily/1191744.html#cutid1

Serious pornface+tracing
Title: Re: Professionals you hate
Post by: bill on September 26, 2007, 06:28:16 AM
Hermann Tilke. Architect, and "Track Designer".


Just about every high-level track since about 1990 has been designed by this guy. Problem: All his tracks are terrible.
Sepang:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/87/Circuit_Sepang.png)
Bahrain:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/56/Circuit_Bahrain.png)
Shanghai:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/68/Circuit_Shanghai.png)

He also completely ruined Hockenheim. (old version in grey, Tilke version in black)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a9/Hokenheimring_%282in1%29.png/536px-Hokenheimring_%282in1%29.png)


None, and I mean NONE of his tracks have anything approaching "flow" or even "Challenge". They have way too many turns, are way too technical, and are freaking clinical. And good tracks have to suffer for these things.
Title: Re: Professionals you hate
Post by: lucas marcone on September 26, 2007, 08:17:55 PM
so i suppose you want NASCAR ovals?
Title: Re: Professionals you hate
Post by: bill on September 26, 2007, 09:18:36 PM
No, I'd like more of this.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/11/Circuit_Spa_2007.png)
This wouldn't hurt, either.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/31/Circuit_N%C3%BCrburgring-Nordschleife.png/452px-Circuit_N%C3%BCrburgring-Nordschleife.png)
Title: Re: Professionals you hate
Post by: xHaZxMaTx on September 26, 2007, 09:34:38 PM
Wee, Spa and Nurburgring! :3
Title: Re: Professionals you hate
Post by: DarkAudit on September 26, 2007, 09:43:26 PM
While I was watching Spa qualifying, I was reading the local paper's sports section with a "map" of that week's NASCAR track. I cried a little that morning.  D:
Title: Re: Professionals you hate
Post by: bill on September 26, 2007, 10:16:57 PM
Is it possible to get lost at Loudon? Srsly.


Another of my faves. Donington. They just don't make 'em like they used to.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/37/Circuit_Doningtonpark.png)
Title: Re: Professionals you hate
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on September 27, 2007, 08:06:39 AM
Quote from: xHaZxMaTx on September 26, 2007, 09:34:38 PM
Wee, Spa and Nurburgring! :3

... in a diesel van! Woot!
Title: Re: Professionals you hate
Post by: xHaZxMaTx on September 27, 2007, 08:55:44 AM
Yeah, that would only take an hour 'round the Ring. :<
Title: Re: Professionals you hate
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on September 27, 2007, 10:45:19 AM
Ah... she did it in just over 10 minutes.

Let me see if I can find the youtube...

Nope. But wikipedia says, for episode 44:
Challenge: After much practice, Clarkson took a diesel Jaguar S-Type around the Nürburgring at 9:59, just under ten minutes. His instructor, Sabine Schmitz, exclaimed "I could do that in a van". She then took the Jaguar out and recorded a lap time almost a minute quicker on her first try, at 9:12.
And for episode 55:
Challenge: Hammond goes to the Nürburgring to see if Sabine Schmitz can do a lap of the infamous track in a Transit van in under 10 minutes.

http://www.topgear.com/content/timetoburn/sections/videos/18/broadband.html - requires realplayer, though.
Title: Re: Professionals you hate
Post by: xHaZxMaTx on September 27, 2007, 11:15:41 AM
I honestly don't know how to respond to that. :U
Title: Re: Professionals you hate
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on September 27, 2007, 11:23:52 AM
Indeed. She's one of those I don't hate, but admire.

Professionals I hate are all closer to home, like, say, the helpful idiots upstairs who don't know how to do their job, interfere with my job, make helping them next to impossible, and wonder why I'm so grumpy all the time...
Title: Re: Professionals you hate
Post by: DarkAudit on September 27, 2007, 11:09:40 PM
More bad news for Bill. Tilke did the reconfiguration of the Fuji Speedway.  :tantrum
Title: Re: Professionals you hate
Post by: bill on September 28, 2007, 06:07:36 AM
It sucks, sur-friggin-prize.