Anyone else seem to notice that the Beings seem to be the racial excrement compared to everyone else in this microcosm? Apparently the only thing they have going for them is the ability to procreate relatively rapidly, thus avoiding extinction by the more popular Rodent and Lapine methods. Demo 101 describes them as being weak and magically retarded, and that daemons and succubi don't want to kill them all in order to eat well later. It would be like an !Kung hunter killing three wild deer, rather than the lot of the herd, just so that he can hunt again at another time, and let the herd rebreed their losses.
Jyrras seems to be very effected by this sort of racial bullying. Twice he has had his life regarded as purely meaningless by supernatural creatures, a Daemon (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_343.php), and a Fae. (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_805.php) Of all the beings out there, this kangaroo rat would be probably the worst one to pick on, as he's already researching the scientific basis of magics, and all he'd have to do is devise some sort of anti-magic devices, and then there might be some interesting action perhaps recruiting the Weres in an effort to make a last battle. Gianna might be able to construct something even the Fae might decide is a bit too large for even them, and some people seem to acknowledge it, in that shadow meeting Albanion had attended. (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_366.php) Will there be a battle coming? Sentient and self aware persons do not find their lives all that meaningless, (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_286.php) so yes, at some point there probably should be a very stern lashing back.
Speaking of the Fae, I dunno, this new arc and reading more in Demo 101 kinda shows them as being extraordinarily overpowered (Immortality, Invulnerability, complete magical affinity {Might be a source of weakness, see above}). This can be all fine and good for creatures who decide to simply leave their former plane of existence alone, however there is a considerable amount of meddling by a small number of them, and that number is enough to pose a threat to the Mortal Realm. According to his Bio, Albanion decided to completely crush an entire race and civilization because of a Toy, and he also has been shown to have his emotions completely out of check, as shown earlier in this arc, and this latest update. It also seems odd that a race that regards itself as being all powerful tolerates and embraces such antisocial disorders. Even Mab's reasoning for staying around with Dan and Co. has come into question. One could simply say that Mab is treating the rest of these people simply as pets or toys that will be long dead before she would get bored with them. So, while Mab may be the Superman to Albanion's Zod, it isn't a stupid question to ask what is her motives, since people really don't fight for "Truth, Justice, and the American Way."
Well it doesn't hurt that (as far as I know) Beings outnumber most creatures at least 10 to 1.
More likely 100 or more.
After all, purely on a numbers basis, Kria eats, oh, at least once a week. Bearing in mind it takes 15-20 years to grow a new gardener (to pull something from a hat) that makes, oh, something like 750-1000 or so Beings to feed her alone, in the time it takes to grow a new crop, as it were.
Now, there's some -big- assumptions in that number, but even so, that's a ballpark, and not -too- far off, if you look at other carnivorous creatures (lions, say, or tigers) and the range and number of prey species they need to survive.
While Kria might be tough, can you see her fighting off 1000 Beings without being touched, if they all decided to take her on at the same time? The situation isn't -quite- as unbalanced as it might seem... Sure, a -lot- of them will die - heck, maybe all of them. But she's gonna get damaged by the mob, too. If you start looking at larger numbers, say, and have the mob take on several Creatures in succession, chances are the Creatures are going to get killed much faster than the Beings.
But this is all worst case scenarios, and, as all parties are intelligent, chances are things are going to be a -lot- different...
... just my 2p...
(I admit this is a slightly different argument to yours...)
Once again why I tend toward the D&D universe, things are a little more balanced over there, and even the most determined being can become a strong spellcaster.
I tend to agree with the gist of things here. Fae do seem overpowered, and poor Jy seems to have a bull's eye on him for some reason. Since it's a PG comic, we really have seen any real substantial battles outside of Abel's Story, which has a higher rating (WEB-14). I'd be interested to know what, say, a group of demons would do when they suddenly find themselves at the wrong end of an AK-47, or, even worse, a heavy sniper rifle. Dragons, demons, and angels may have tough skin, but a .50 cal can puncture several inches of steel armor. I'd imagine Jyrras would definitely be capable of creating and manufacturing such weapons. Would most demons even have a clue what was happening as they get hit by heavy AP rounds from a mile away? Would it affect them? Would they even be able to figure out that they're getting hit by heavy, super-fast pieces of lead?
Quote from: Cvstos on September 21, 2007, 05:08:22 PM
Dragons, demons, and angels may have tough skin, but a .50 cal can puncture several inches of steel armor. I'd imagine Jyrras would definitely be capable of creating and manufacturing such weapons.
Dragons are described as having an invulnerable hide according to the demonology. That Abel tried to cut Pyroduck's throat would suggest that either there are specially-enchanted weapons that can do this, or that Pyroduck is vulnerable in his Being form. In the former case, you would most likely need enchanted rounds to pull it off.
QuoteWould most demons even have a clue what was happening as they get hit by heavy AP rounds from a mile away? Would it affect them? Would they even be able to figure out that they're getting hit by heavy, super-fast pieces of lead?
'Cubi certainly wouldn't, since that would count as 'Normal Means'. In all likelihood the same goes for Angels and Demons - the tough skin (or the magic projectile shields I tend to use in my writings) is done on-demand, so if you can take them by surprise they'll be dead before they know what's happened. (Again, I did this in my writings).
That's my reading, anyway - of course, I'm not Amber.
I think that Amber once wrote that Demonology entries were basically written from a perspective of those in the story. Dragons may have "impenetrable hides", but what has been tried so far in-story? I'm willing to bet that heavy projectile weapons aren't on the list. Arrows and swords may be useless, but AP Incendiary rounds? I also have to wonder if even a 'cubi would withstand an unexpected .50 to the head. And what if you had a mage there enchanting the bullets as or before they're fired? Put a magical enchantment on a clip, load it up, and all of a sudden you have a anti-creature machine capable of leveling the playing field? And as tough as Demons and Angels can get their skin, is it really that much better armor than several inches of steel? What about DU rounds? Although they're an environmental disaster waiting to happen, they do cut through just about any kind of armor short of a nuke-proof bunker.
And we also don't know to what level Jy has developed his technology. At what point would technology cease to be "by normal means"? If bullets qualify as normal, what about energy weapons, or missiles? Would a 'cubi survive getting shot by a tank? Or hit by an artillery shell? Or, if Jyrras has weapons far beyond what we expect and we were willing to get ridiculous, what would happen with a nuclear bomb? Or, if he has orbital weapons, what if he uses something really crazy like a GDI Ion-cannon style weapon? ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzcJ9QblQ5w link to GDI Ion Cannon being fired in C&C3)
Quote from: Cvstos on September 21, 2007, 06:00:06 PM
Dragons may have "impenetrable hides", but what has been tried so far in-story? I'm willing to bet that heavy projectile weapons aren't on the list. Arrows and swords may be useless, but AP Incendiary rounds?
They aren't in common use.
QuoteI also have to wonder if even a 'cubi would withstand an unexpected .50 to the head.
Uh, that's what I was saying >:3
QuoteAnd as tough as Demons and Angels can get their skin, is it really that much better armor than several inches of steel?
Dunno. 'Cubi can crush rocks with their tentacles (and Fa'Lina, with her bare hands apparently). That's all we've really got to go on. And as I say, whatever they can do, unless they generate some kind of magical protective bubble, they will only be able to do it if they are forewarned.
QuoteAt what point would technology cease to be "by normal means"?
Does it really matter? The basic definition of 'normal means' is something that would kill a human, so anything more than that is overkill.
QuoteOr, if Jyrras has weapons far beyond what we expect and we were willing to get ridiculous, what would happen with a nuclear bomb? Or, if he has orbital weapons, what if he uses something really crazy like a GDI Ion-cannon style weapon?
I'm sorry... I was trying to avoid it but I've just got to quote Future History now... I just can't help it...
Quote from: Tapewolf on April 17, 2007, 07:54:05 PM"Anyway," he said, changing the subject. "Ion cannons. I built a few small ones for hand use - mostly as cutting tools - and some medium-sized ones for the aircraft. I did start work on a great big one, but I think I dismantled it in the end."
Good, that saves me a job, thought Joshua.
"I heard that," the wolf replied. "But yeah, I did dismantle it. After all, what was the point? An ion beam is a mere tinker-toy next to total conversion..."
"TOTAL CONVERSION?" screamed Joshua, looking even more terrified than when Azrael had ordered his death.
AP (anti-proton) weapons are powerful but extremely expensive and will remain so for the foreseeable future. And ultimately they're something you want to avoid using unless you have half a mind to blow up the whole damn planet. Forget killing cubi with those - such devices are true doomsday bombs. Kind of pointless to talk about being vs creature imbalances when the whole planet has been vaporized. And if you do start to get such weapons, there's also the threat of other super-high-end technologies.
You don't have to go big to get deadly. Nano-viruses might even be more lethal. And I don't mean your garden variety bug, but an artificial virus targeted specifically at creatures. Something that might not even technically be alive, but a machine that targets the DNA of whatever body it enters. If it doesn't like what it sees, it starts modifying the genetic code. Eventually, the body starts fighting itself as it sees other cells as hostile, and the victim's own body rips itself apart cell by cell. By the time they figured out just what was going on, it'd likely be too late. Of course, that begs the question: Do creatures have DNA? Creature-being hybrids suggest yes.
Tank rounds against an individual is not only overkill, it actually doesn't work, as it doesn't take a particularly athletic person do outmanoeuvre a cannon.
As far as the current technology goes, it seems that beings are approximately in the atomic age (1944-1970), but rather than funds and research going into a space age, they've gone into robots and machinery. A decent, recent film to compare it to would be Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow (http://imdb.com/title/tt0346156/). Jyrras has developed a heavy machine gun (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_367.php) and either a laser or other sort of heavy cannon (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_368.php). He's also designed complex robotics (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_401.php). A good deal of his research has been on the scientific uses of magic (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_370.php), so, again, he has the possible means. It's just that he, at the moment, has no motive, but it seems that certain persons seem to enjoy goading him.
Quote from: Cvstos on September 21, 2007, 06:34:28 PM
AP (anti-proton) weapons are powerful but extremely expensive and will remain so for the foreseeable future. And ultimately they're something you want to avoid using unless you have half a mind to blow up the whole damn planet. Forget killing cubi with those - such devices are true doomsday bombs. Kind of pointless to talk about being vs creature imbalances when the whole planet has been vaporized. And if you do start to get such weapons, there's also the threat of other super-high-end technologies.
There was a reference to AP rounds above, but I believe that that was referring to armor piercing, not anti-proton.
Actually, the AP, or armor-piercing, reference was mine as well. I made sure to be specific about Anti-Proton weapons when Tapewolf started talking total conversion, which implies anti-matter, or more likely just anti-protons.
Gildedtongue: Outrunning a cannon is one thing. Outrunning a tank round that tracks it's target is another. Also, it becomes easier for the cannon to track as distance increases.
Quote from: Cvstos on September 21, 2007, 06:50:14 PM
Gildedtongue: Outrunning a cannon is one thing. Outrunning a tank round that tracks it's target is another. Also, it becomes easier for the cannon to track as distance increases.
However, zig-zagging becomes more effective as the distance increases.
Quote from: Cvstos on September 21, 2007, 06:34:28 PM
AP (anti-proton) weapons are powerful but extremely expensive and will remain so for the foreseeable future. And ultimately they're something you want to avoid using unless you have half a mind to blow up the whole damn planet. Forget killing cubi with those - such devices are true doomsday bombs.
Oh, indeed. In fact the very next line from my fic is:
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"Yes. Total mass-to-energy conversion! I could weaponise it of course, but frankly that would suck. Despite the many pogroms against 'Cubi and other Creatures, I still believe Furrae is too beautiful for doomsday weapons. No... I've been developing it as a power source."
QuoteYou don't have to go big to get deadly. Nano-viruses might even be more lethal. And I don't mean your garden variety bug, but an artificial virus targeted specifically at creatures. .... Of course, that begs the question: Do creatures have DNA? Creature-being hybrids suggest yes.
Magic would probably be simpler. It's also quite possible that the races on Furrae have an aversion to biological/nano weapons because that's how the humans died out.
Now. Creatures do have DNA, but it's not clear whether they use it. I'm talking 'Cubi in particular. They start out like normal Beings, but it seems that over time and as they increase in power, they gradually transition to a magic-based metabolism instead, which is why they gradually lose the need to sleep, dream and eventually breathe at all.
Tapewolf, where would I find this fic of yours. And do you have any others?
Quote from: Tapewolf on September 21, 2007, 05:33:37 PM
That Abel tried to cut Pyroduck's throat would suggest that either there are specially-enchanted weapons that can do this, or that Pyroduck is vulnerable in his Being form.
Pyro said himself that Abel used a Vorpal Dagger (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_699.php). Maybe he borrowed it from Dan's wall-o-sharp-pointy-things when he walked in and saw Pyro a few strips earlier?
Peeps seem to think that just because technology is on the lacking, that weaponry is completely nonexestant. Trust me...it doesn't take a whole lot of magical know-how to make something "go really fast and blow up" to the equivalent of modern day weapons. Its just...once certain creatures hit a certain point, their innate defenses tend to over-ride.
As was shown, Aniz obviously was still very vulnerable to basic attacking methods...while Fa'Lina would be like biting shatter-proof diamond. It tends to be a very "all or nothing" situation though...meaning if you can't kill a creature with the average means...you are likely not going to be able to kill them and thus rely on someone who can match ability. And with one exception, that tends to be magical means.
As for the Fae: They are total munchkins. Seriously. If there is ever a RPG of DMFA, Fae are going to be on the "DO NOT PLAY" list because they are completely overpowered. Luckily, they also tend to be incredibly uncommon...though it doesn't help that one of the main characters is one so likely makes people have the impression that all 2 million plus hang around in Furrae. But yeah...it'd be easy to get frustrated with the Fae. With them running around...playing their Fae games...usually at unheard of costs...
*Charline grins at Amber's reply* Like I said a while back. The Fae can never increase their numbers, while we Cubi can! We shall rule Furrae in time, oh yes! Once I have the Tri-wings all converted to Furrancar Espada! :mwaha
*acks!* I made a "Bleach" pun. I fail. :<
I guess my annoyance with the Fae is that they are apparently the ultimate griefers. It's the same issue I have with the Q of Star Trek, however it seems that the Fae are not honour bound outside of their own world (True, Q seems to magically show up in Voyager, but honestly I grew disinterested after the beginning of the last season of DS9).
Also, Amber, you mean one main character and one major player in the cast (who constantly refers to a third, unseen, but very active character.) But, I guess like you said, Amber, Fae are male copulation organs. Mab's and Azlan's main goal in hanging out with Dan and Co. is just to be entertained.
Quote from: Alondro on September 21, 2007, 10:53:32 PM
*Charline grins at Amber's reply* Like I said a while back. The Fae can never increase their numbers, while we Cubi can! We shall rule Furrae in time, oh yes! Once I have the Tri-wings all converted to Furrancar Espada! :mwaha
*acks!* I made a "Bleach" pun. I fail. :<
Shhhh.....Theres a sign that says dont feed the trolls...The anti bleach bregade is apon us! :shifty
Quote from: Gildedtongue on September 21, 2007, 02:19:05 AMGianna might be able to construct something even the Fae might decide is a bit too large for even them, and some people seem to acknowledge it, in that shadow meeting Albanion had attended. (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_366.php) Will there be a battle coming? Sentient and self aware persons do not find their lives all that meaningless, (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_286.php) so yes, at some point there probably should be a very stern lashing back.
I like the idea.
However, I just wanted to say I'm still reasonably sure that wasn't Albanion. Apart from debatable stuff like his eyes and the shape of his head (darn silhouettes), the gems are very different; this became even more apparent when I actually took a picture of Albanion and turned him into a blank-eyed shadow against a purple background over the course of a few minutes. Unless he's actually changed his gem somewhere down the line (which actually would be a weird restriction, but this is the Fae we're talking about), it's not him.
Quote from: Gildedtongue on September 21, 2007, 02:19:05 AMEven Mab's reasoning for staying around with Dan and Co. has come into question. One could simply say that Mab is treating the rest of these people simply as pets or toys that will be long dead before she would get bored with them.
Or just 'cause she's Mab. And Mab is nice like that.
Quote from: Gildedtongue on September 21, 2007, 02:19:05 AMSo, while Mab may be the Superman to Albanion's Zod, it isn't a stupid question to ask what is her motives, since people really don't fight for "Truth, Justice, and the American Way."
Some do. (No debate over "The American Way," please, I've seen it and it can get ugly...)
Quote from: Gildedtongue on September 21, 2007, 06:42:21 PM
As far as the current technology goes, it seems that beings are approximately in the atomic age (1944-1970), but rather than funds and research going into a space age, they've gone into robots and machinery.
That's about where I was thinking the tech level was too, but then again it seems that they prefer swords and axes as well. Then again it could be that one kingdom is at a low tech level (Mideival) while another is at a higher one (jet age).
From the looks of it they have commercial flights. (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_263.php)
Quote from: Amber Williams on September 21, 2007, 10:24:26 PM
Peeps seem to think that just because technology is on the lacking, that weaponry is completely nonexestant. Trust me...it doesn't take a whole lot of magical know-how to make something "go really fast and blow up" to the equivalent of modern day weapons. Its just...once certain creatures hit a certain point, their innate defenses tend to over-ride.
As was shown, Aniz obviously was still very vulnerable to basic attacking methods...while Fa'Lina would be like biting shatter-proof diamond. It tends to be a very "all or nothing" situation though...meaning if you can't kill a creature with the average means...you are likely not going to be able to kill them and thus rely on someone who can match ability. And with one exception, that tends to be magical means.
As for the Fae: They are total munchkins. Seriously. If there is ever a RPG of DMFA, Fae are going to be on the "DO NOT PLAY" list because they are completely overpowered. Luckily, they also tend to be incredibly uncommon...though it doesn't help that one of the main characters is one so likely makes people have the impression that all 2 million plus hang around in Furrae. But yeah...it'd be easy to get frustrated with the Fae. With them running around...playing their Fae games...usually at unheard of costs...
::Notes to treat fae as being like Wild Hunts in D&D terms, or even Leshay::
Quote from: AndersW on September 21, 2007, 09:51:18 PM
Tapewolf, where would I find this fic of yours. And do you have any others?
There are two. Both can be found in the Tower of Art. The one I'm quoting here is 'Future History', which is here: http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php?topic=2274.0
I've often thought it would work well as a webcomic.
It is actually the sequel to my earlier work, the corrected version of which is here: http://tapewolf.deviantart.com/gallery/
...FH will make more sense if you read that first, although it should also work standalone. The original series is now the length of a small novel, though it is divided into sensibly-sized chapters.
Quote from: Caswin on September 22, 2007, 12:31:40 AM
However, I just wanted to say I'm still reasonably sure that wasn't Albanion. Apart from debatable stuff like his eyes and the shape of his head (darn silhouettes), the gems are very different; this became even more apparent when I actually took a picture of Albanion and turned him into a blank-eyed shadow against a purple background over the course of a few minutes.
No, I think it's an early version of him (compare Dan in WFH to Dan today). It is beyond doubt, a horse-Fae who looks very similar to Albanion.
Quote from: Tapewolf on September 22, 2007, 05:01:14 AMNo, I think it's an early version of him (compare Dan in WFH to Dan today). It is beyond doubt, a horse-Fae who looks very similar to Albanion.
Dan's got a slightly different hairstyle and a different outfit that got changed in-story.
Hm...
Weird, whoever he is, he looks pretty different from the last time I looked at that strip o_O. Unless either mine eyes or mine monitor deceive me, his nose doesn't look especially horselike, but for some reason, his forehead gem is suddenly looking a good deal more teardrop shaped. That black bit on the right is confusing me.
(Cross-Examination!)
I had to reply about this. yes cubi can die from heavy firearms if their not as powerful as fa'lina. Dragons can succumb to heavy artillery as well probably, if you have enough. There was a comic strip about the council concerned with jyras's inventions. I'm sure they're aware that beings are comming to the point where they can prove a major threat if they should ever feel threatened of the creatures, cubi, dragons, so on in the world.
Quote from: Caswin on September 22, 2007, 09:29:29 AM
Weird, whoever he is, he looks pretty different from the last time I looked at that strip o_O. Unless either mine eyes or mine monitor deceive me, his nose doesn't look especially horselike, but for some reason, his forehead gem is suddenly looking a good deal more teardrop shaped. That black bit on the right is confusing me.
(Cross-Examination!)
This doesn't give us much more detail than we already have, so I'm going to risk it. I'm not putting up any of the others at this point, because I don't think Amber wanted that. In any case, here's yon horse guy:
(http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k216/tapewolf/dmfa/council_horse.jpg)
http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k216/tapewolf/dmfa/council_horse.jpg
My own 2 cents on this subject...
Albanion is (practically) bipolar. He does NOT account for the entire Fae race :P
Mab probably hangs around Dan and the others because they're her friends, probably. Plus, it's shown (and said) that she and Dan are childhood friends (which makes her really freakin' young for an immortal) and I'm pretty sure that she's not into the whole "better than beings" thing.
Even Kria seems to somewhat recognize Beings as something a little closer to (although not quite actually) equals, although she does tend to eat them... when Jyrras attacked her, she actually gained an odd kind of respect for him(*cough*shehasthehotsforhim*cough*).
Although she tends to prefer beings for mates anyways (Seriously... first the bull... now Jyrras.)
Which... Freud would have a field day in this scenario.
Also, I think everyone underestimates the power of magical weapons, or even just plain weapons. Dark Pegasus, a powerful demon, was taken down with a sword. There's nothing to indicate it's even a magical sword. Yet he was still taken down with what we assume is one slash.
And one more thing... some creatures make friends with beings. Now, if your friend was being attacked by another creature... wouldn't you be wanting to interfere?
Finally...
As far as dragons go... why would you want to kill them? :< They're not doing anything... besides holding Dan's father captive... but we've only heard one side of that story >>
*is a huge dragon fan, if you can't tell*
Question I have, is how much more of a threat Jyrras would be to the fae if he somehow found a technological means of destroying souls, ie. a techno-Ragnablade.
Quote from: Fresnor on September 22, 2007, 12:33:28 PM
Question I have, is how much more of a threat Jyrras would be to the fae if he somehow found a technological means of destroying souls, ie. a techno-Ragnablade.
Probably not much of one. The Fae work on a whole different wavelength than the average being or creature. Their "souls" aren't really souls when one gets down to the nitty gritty...its just the closest term one can use to describe it that the average person on the street would understand.
Really a device like that would probably just put him on a technological level to the magic-equivalent of soul-stealing/destroying...so he'd be on Cubi/Demon/Angel/etc level.
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And really...it isn't so much what weapons Jyrras makes so much as what he's putting into them...if anything at all...that causes a potential concern.
There are plenty of creatures that could likely be taken out with a bullet. And likely those same creatures could be taken out with a sword. When magic is a factor, it tends to add a different level than "oh his skin is tougher than normal" which makes the comparison to large brick walls and such moot.
A final thing I should mention is that while it seems creatures are just waltzing all over the place...keep in mind that the setting and central characters DMFA focuses around are also in a particularly unique spot. This is where the action is happening, and where its easy to gain a negative impression of some of the locale due to the way they are acting towards the main cast.
It isn't necessarily the same story everywhere else.
Quote from: Tapewolf on September 22, 2007, 05:01:14 AM
Quote from: AndersW on September 21, 2007, 09:51:18 PM
Tapewolf, where would I find this fic of yours. And do you have any others?
There are two. Both can be found in the Tower of Art. The one I'm quoting here is 'Future History', which is here: http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php?topic=2274.0
I've often thought it would work well as a webcomic.
It is actually the sequel to my earlier work, the corrected version of which is here: http://tapewolf.deviantart.com/gallery/
...FH will make more sense if you read that first, although it should also work standalone. The original series is now the length of a small novel, though it is divided into sensibly-sized chapters.
There's another copy that, In My Humble Opinion, loads a bit faster than the DA version, over on http://llearch.net/story/ - but then, I -would- think it loads faster, because I'm probably a touch closer to that server than to the DA ones... ;-]
Quote from: Tapewolf on September 22, 2007, 12:04:04 PMhttp://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k216/tapewolf/dmfa/council_horse.jpg
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TAKE THAT!"
(Unnecessary Phoenix Wright quote supplied by your friendly neighborhood hasn't-even-beaten-the-first-game user.)
Well. Um.
...I think something's weird with that other computer I was using...
I'll let it be known that the shadowy figure on the council was supposed to be Albanion. It's just that by the time I got to drawing him for real real (and not for play play), my style for him shifted so it was too difficult to keep him fully on model to the original outline.
As for the rest, I'd muchly appreciate it if Tapewolf didn't scan and reveal those parts. *knew she should have sharpied those outlines.* :U
Hmm, thinking about it... Jyrras DOES have a secret weapon to use against the fae if needed. Someone that even Kria is hesitant to cross. :p
Quote from: Amber Williams on September 23, 2007, 12:03:19 AM
As for the rest, I'd muchly appreciate it if Tapewolf didn't scan and reveal those parts. *knew she should have sharpied those outlines.* :U
Hell, no. Not until they're revealed in-strip, anyway.
Quote from: Tapewolf on September 23, 2007, 07:44:19 AM
Quote from: Amber Williams on September 23, 2007, 12:03:19 AM
As for the rest, I'd muchly appreciate it if Tapewolf didn't scan and reveal those parts. *knew she should have sharpied those outlines.* :U
Hell, no. Not until they're revealed in-strip, anyway.
That'd spoil the notion i have in my mind anywho. >:3
Quote from: Amber Williams on September 23, 2007, 12:03:19 AM
I'll let it be known that the shadowy figure on the council was supposed to be Albanion. It's just that by the time I got to drawing him for real real (and not for play play), my style for him shifted so it was too difficult to keep him fully on model to the original outline.
As for the rest, I'd muchly appreciate it if Tapewolf didn't scan and reveal those parts. *knew she should have sharpied those outlines.* :U
It was also kinda apparent that it was Albanion when he knew about Jyrras' lab. (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_801.php)
If Albanion is the fae in the council meeting (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_366.php), it would explain his knowing about the technology (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_801.php). but not necessarily about the lab. However, there is an alternative source of information (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_364.php). Of course, Lorenda could be a source of information, but she seems like the straightforward type who would rather eat you than lie to you.
It should also be mentioned that Albanion was the one who wanted to leave Jyrras alone during the discussion in the council meeting.
By the way could the character with the claws at the council meeting (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_365.php) be the unseen character who led the raid in Abel's story (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_68.php). In both scenes, the character is one whom Kria is subordinate to, and I can't see her being subordinate to very many people.
The three characters from the left in this scene (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_367.php) would then be the representatives of the insectis (http://www.missmab.com/Demo/insectis.php), undead (http://www.missmab.com/Demo/undead.php) (Rachel-Rebecca the Third?), and cubi (http://www.missmab.com/Demo/cubi.php) (Fa'lina?) races.
And has anyone noticed a slight resemblance between Jyrras (http://www.missmab.com/Cast/jyrras.php) and Akaen (http://www.missmab.com/Demo/angel.php) of the Angel race, especially around the ears.
Quote from: Naldru on September 23, 2007, 05:22:15 PMAnd has anyone noticed a slight resemblance between Jyrras (http://www.missmab.com/Cast/jyrras.php) and Akaen (http://www.missmab.com/Demo/angel.php) of the Angel race, especially around the ears.
Dunno about facial resemblance. Maybe a tad, maybe not, but you seem to have stumbled onto a link: Note the bottom of the page, where it discusses Akaen: "It is also known he is one of the largest investors in many of the technologies beings have been making. One could almost say a good deal of the industrial age in Furrae was thanks to Akaen's support."
Quote from: Naldru on September 23, 2007, 05:22:15 PM
The three characters from the left in this scene would then be the representatives of the insectis, undead[/url] (Rachel-Rebecca the Third?), and cubi (Fa'lina?) races.
I don't know who the succubus is, but she isn't Fa'Lina.
That drawing doesn't really reveal anything I didn't already know from adjusting the contrast of the final comics. I'm fairly sure the panel right of Albanion was a human, which would seem to indicate he's a Were of some sort.
I'm gonna check again.
[edit] Frames i order for 366-367, it looks like...
366
Mer(it's got a head fin.), Fae(Albanion), Were(human male), Phoenix(but we all knew that)
367
Insectis(clearly ChkChkTia), Undead(hole in the arm. I'm going to agree it's probably RR3), and Succubus(kitty. Long, full hair, feathered wings... looks like a younger succubus.), and, of course, Jy and Lorenda looking at Jy's gatling gun.
If anyone really wants, I can post images of the HSCB-adjusted comics, but you can do it yourself with any decent graphics program. Turn brightness, contrast, and gamma way up. Contrast shouldn't be more than about 80% max.
Quote from: Raist on September 23, 2007, 06:09:36 PM
I'm going to agree it's probably RR3), and Succubus(kitty. Long, full hair, feathered wings... looks like a younger succubus.)
Yes, the succubus is a feline. I'd stake a guess it
might be Cyra, but as I say, that's a shot in the dark as I have no idea who it is and AFAIK we've not seen Cyra (in fact we don't even know if Cyra a he or a she). In any case, remember that our council 'Cubi is a shapeshifter and if she's influential enough to be on the council, she's probably several millennia old, whatever she may look like.
Quote from: Raist on September 23, 2007, 06:09:36 PM
That drawing doesn't really reveal anything I didn't already know from adjusting the contrast of the final comics. I'm fairly sure the panel right of Albanion was a human, which would seem to indicate he's a Were of some sort.
I'm gonna check again.
If anyone really wants, I can post images of the HSCB-adjusted comics, but you can do it yourself with any decent graphics program. Turn brightness, contrast, and gamma way up. Contrast shouldn't be more than about 80% max.
On 366 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_366.php), I thought the character on the left was Akaen (http://www.missmab.com/Demo/angel.php). Unless you see something different by adjusting the parameters, I believe that the fin-like object is his hairstyle. He also appears to have large ears.
On 367 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_367.php), I see a hole in the ear, but not one in the arm.
I seem to have started something. However, I view magnification as fair game, but I'm not sure if advanced forensic techniques are really fair. (Amber seemed to have some issues. Of course, some of the readers could provide her with an obfuscation algorithm.)
obfuscation algorithm: black out the entire character, instead of just darkening it. That would sufficiently prevent people like me from adjusting the contrast.
I think it looks better with the subtle lines, though, personally.
If you want to do the alterations on your own, there is a free graphics editing program here (http://www.xnview.com) called XMView. It's what I did the adjustments with, and what I generally use for format conversions.
I'm fairly certain the first creature in 366 is a Mer. The fin structure is fairly unmistakable, it doesn't seem to have wings, and I can't imagine someone like who Akaen looks like taking that kind of expression.
Also, recall that Mer can take a bipedal, air-breathing form.
[edit]also, note the bubbly speech bubble and different font. I hadn't caught that before.
Quote from: Raist on September 23, 2007, 06:38:06 PM
I'm fairly certain the first creature in 366 is a Mer. The fin structure is fairly unmistakable, it doesn't seem to have wings, and I can't imagine someone like who Akaen looks like taking that kind of expression.
Also, recall that Mer can take a bipedal, air-breathing form.
[edit]also, note the bubbly speech bubble and different font. I hadn't caught that before.
I'll go along with the Mer. I just took another look at the figure, and there appear to be what look like barbels on the face. (Barbels are the whiskerlike feelers on the mouth of catfish.) I'll also agree that the cubi is not Fa'lina.
By the way, when I adjusted the gamma, it appeared that most of the image was a uniform grey with jusst a few lines. So I'd say that Amber did a reasonably good job of obfuscation.
I still have my bets on the Mer being Durp.
possible NSFW (http://www.missmab.com/Jack/Chibi_Durp.gif)
I think what gives the Beings an edge is that their short lives make them less overconfident. Overconfidence is the greatest downfall of a majority of villians.
I remember a program on The History Channel that was discussing tank battles in World War II. (I may have the quotes a little off, but the meaning is unchanged.)
American tank commander: It was awful. It took five allied tanks to take out one German panzer.
(ten minutes later) German tank commander: It was a nightmare. If it had been one German tank against one allied tank, we wouldn't have had any problems. But for every one of us, there were six of them and they were chopping us to pieces.
Replace the allied tanks with beings, and the German tanks with demons and cubi, and I think you would have roughly the same relative positions.
Beings are for eating and not for worry about >:3
Quote from: Kuari on October 02, 2007, 03:35:32 PM
I think what gives the Beings an edge is that their short lives make them less overconfident. Overconfidence is the greatest downfall of a majority of villians.
Quote from: Zedd on October 02, 2007, 07:22:07 PM
Beings are for eating and not for worry about >:3
I think that this pair of posts makes a nice combination and supports Kuari's supposition. A lot of people go into war convinced of their martial superiority and simply end up feeding the crows. I guess it all goes back to Sherman's "War is Hell" speech.
Quote from: Naldru on October 02, 2007, 08:53:40 PM
Quote from: Kuari on October 02, 2007, 03:35:32 PM
I think what gives the Beings an edge is that their short lives make them less overconfident. Overconfidence is the greatest downfall of a majority of villians.
Quote from: Zedd on October 02, 2007, 07:22:07 PM
Beings are for eating and not for worry about >:3
I think that this pair of posts makes a nice combination and supports Kuari's supposition. A lot of people go into war convinced of their martial superiority and simply end up feeding the crows. I guess it all goes back to Sherman's "War is Hell" speech.
Main thing that gets me thinking this is that the Paladin from Abel's story seemed to strike a bit of fear into a couple of the attackers, despite being blind. I would like to know how much was done on that side of things...
Quote from: Kuari on October 02, 2007, 03:35:32 PM
I think what gives the Beings an edge is that their short lives make them less overconfident.
I dunno, It's hard to consider yourself short lived, when your own life span is the one you're most familiar with. Unless you have a Cubi/fae/whatever friend or acquaintance, it's hard to realize just how short a human/being life really is.
Quote from: Goatmon on October 03, 2007, 04:55:58 AM
Quote from: Kuari on October 02, 2007, 03:35:32 PM
I think what gives the Beings an edge is that their short lives make them less overconfident.
I dunno, It's hard to consider yourself short lived, when your own life span is the one you're most familiar with. Unless you have a Cubi/fae/whatever friend or acquaintance, it's hard to realize just how short a human/being life really is.
Pretty sure seasoned adventurers know what they're up against
Quote from: Goatmon on October 03, 2007, 04:55:58 AM
I dunno, It's hard to consider yourself short lived, when your own life span is the one you're most familiar with. Unless you have a Cubi/fae/whatever friend or acquaintance, it's hard to realize just how short a human/being life really is.
Wait 'till you're 30 >:3
Quote from: Tapewolf on October 03, 2007, 05:00:57 AM
Quote from: Goatmon on October 03, 2007, 04:55:58 AM
I dunno, It's hard to consider yourself short lived, when your own life span is the one you're most familiar with. Unless you have a Cubi/fae/whatever friend or acquaintance, it's hard to realize just how short a human/being life really is.
Wait 'till you're 30 >:3
Heh I know that feeling....Im almost there
You know, I really wonder. You all are talking about state of the art weaponry, but what if you just took a large hunk of metal(basically a simple cannonball, perhaps round, and, using a lot of magic-energy, you aim it at the unsuspecting target from a ways away, and hurl it at a high speed. Even with magic shields, which might stop it from penetrating the target, if you aimed it properly(would be best if you had a large stone wall/cliff/hill/mountain on the opposite side of the target), and basically shove the target into the wall at a high speed. At the very least it would take a *lot* of energy to withstand that sort of attack, and greatly weaken the target, if it didn't kill the target right off.
Who needs advanced weaponry when you have large objects hurled at high speed?
-RobbieThe1st
The problem with that, Robbie, is that the -easiest- way of solving it is to step to one side just after you fire.
After all, don't forget - if you can see me, I can see you.
Quote from: Tapewolf on October 03, 2007, 05:00:57 AM
Quote from: Goatmon on October 03, 2007, 04:55:58 AM
I dunno, It's hard to consider yourself short lived, when your own life span is the one you're most familiar with. Unless you have a Cubi/fae/whatever friend or acquaintance, it's hard to realize just how short a human/being life really is.
Wait 'till you're 30 >:3
Tell me about it. I've still got 8 years 'till then, and I'm
already feeling the weight of my impending death!
Quote from: Raist on October 03, 2007, 12:29:42 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on October 03, 2007, 05:00:57 AM
Quote from: Goatmon on October 03, 2007, 04:55:58 AM
I dunno, It's hard to consider yourself short lived, when your own life span is the one you're most familiar with. Unless you have a Cubi/fae/whatever friend or acquaintance, it's hard to realize just how short a human/being life really is.
Wait 'till you're 30 >:3
Tell me about it. I've still got 8 years 'till then, and I'm already feeling the weight of my impending death!
Could be worse. Could be 8 years
after then, like... like...
Excuse me... *runs off sobbing*
Quote from: DarkAudit on October 03, 2007, 03:29:02 PM
Could be worse. Could be 8 years after then, like... like...
Is
that all...?
[thinks about it]
[goes to have a lie-down and a nice cup of tea]
(http://www.cosgan.de/images/smilie/figuren/a045.gif)
Quote from: DarkAudit on October 03, 2007, 03:29:02 PM
Quote from: Raist on October 03, 2007, 12:29:42 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on October 03, 2007, 05:00:57 AM
Quote from: Goatmon on October 03, 2007, 04:55:58 AM
I dunno, It's hard to consider yourself short lived, when your own life span is the one you're most familiar with. Unless you have a Cubi/fae/whatever friend or acquaintance, it's hard to realize just how short a human/being life really is.
Wait 'till you're 30 >:3
Tell me about it. I've still got 8 years 'till then, and I'm already feeling the weight of my impending death!
Could be worse. Could be 8 years after then, like... like...
Excuse me... *runs off sobbing*
It could be 28 years after. Just remember, the only aternative to being old is being dead.
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on October 03, 2007, 10:29:33 AM
The problem with that, Robbie, is that the -easiest- way of solving it is to step to one side just after you fire.
After all, don't forget - if you can see me, I can see you.
Thats why I was thinking of using magic, instead of chemicals, so hopefully the target wouldn't be alerted to it having been launched.
Either that, or have someone distract the target from the side. Or simply shoot a large spread of little chunks, enough to pepper anything around. So your target steps aside - he/she still gets peppered with a few hundred sharp objects at a high speed.
Only disadvantage to that would be it would destroy whatever was within a few feet(or more), but if the target was sufficiently evil, the large amount of destroyed land wouldn't matter too much.
Of course, the simplest way to do it is to trick your target into letting you get close to him/her, and then simply stab him/her with a small knife that has two sets of spells upon it: One to get through shielding, and the other to grab the soul(like the bullet Tapewolf thought up).
Quote from: Naldru on October 03, 2007, 09:02:44 PM
Quote from: DarkAudit on October 03, 2007, 03:29:02 PM
Quote from: Raist on October 03, 2007, 12:29:42 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on October 03, 2007, 05:00:57 AM
Quote from: Goatmon on October 03, 2007, 04:55:58 AM
I dunno, It's hard to consider yourself short lived, when your own life span is the one you're most familiar with. Unless you have a Cubi/fae/whatever friend or acquaintance, it's hard to realize just how short a human/being life really is.
Wait 'till you're 30 >:3
Tell me about it. I've still got 8 years 'till then, and I'm already feeling the weight of my impending death!
Could be worse. Could be 8 years after then, like... like...
Excuse me... *runs off sobbing*
It could be 28 years after. Just remember, the only alternative to being old is being dead.
Aw, don't be sad, you get wisdom with age, and the ability to call us young people whippersnappers.
And, hopefully by the time you reach 80 or so, they will have developed robotics to the point where either you can get your body rejuvenated and live a few hundred more years, or get your brain transfered into a robotic body and take over the universe! >:3
-RobbieThe1st
You know, I suddenly wonder who Fae would react to Anti-Magic... if such a thing existed in the DMFA universe.
Seems to exist to some extent in Were's, but I wonder about anti-magic fields...
Quote from: Kuari on October 24, 2007, 05:13:10 PM
You know, I suddenly wonder who Fae would react to Anti-Magic... if such a thing existed in the DMFA universe.
Seems to exist to some extent in Were's, but I wonder about anti-magic fields...
Amusement probably. The Fae have a particular brand of magic that, while seems very similar to the magic that exists in DMFA's universe, is actually a whole different barrel of monkeys.
Not that anyone would know, since odds are the Fae would make a jolly good show about "oh noes! We has been defeated!" if someone tried it. The idea of someone going through their entire life and passing on stories of how they defeated the wicked Fae is something most Fae find delightfully entertaining.
*Charline smirks* See? At least with us Cubi, when we're defeated, we're actually defeated! We're much more honest than those evil Fae!
Cubi are better than Fae! :P
Sheesh, what, did the Fae create the different universes? Or would they at least be able to be smited by a god?
There is no god, there is only Zule.
Hasn't Jyrras been experimenting with magic-technology fusions like the patch technology? You might could adapt something like that to give a being magical powers on par with some creatures...
Oh, just give it up, people. The Fae are the ultimate munchkins, undefeatable and completely impossible to get to. It's been clarified. Now can we stop spam spam spam spam spammelispamming?
Well aren't we Mr. Grumpy. :U
Really it depends on one's definition of unbeatable. If people are wanting utter devastation, destruction beyond repair, total and absolute triumph...then yeah. They are munchkins who can't be beat. Unless you count the things more powerful than Fae, but they're usually too busy to bother. :U
However, the key thing to note is Fae will always do their best to uphold their roles. So if there is a belief a Fae can be "beaten" by shoving them full of cold iron, they will play along with it and will 'leave' after being 'defeated'. Not because they have to mind you, but because its' part of the game. So someone can 'beat' a Fae, resulting in them leaving said person and their families alone for all of time. As far as that person is concerned, they won. And for all intents and purposes they did...if only because they are blissfully unaware of the reality of it.
The difference is a matter of perspective.
So what happens if that fae accidently runs into that person that "defeated" them again? I mean, it seems obvious from Mab that they aren't able to exactly unable to be surprised... unless that's an act too.
But then what about a Fae who cheats by violating his role? Could what Albanion be doing be considered cheating? Perhaps the worst the Fae could do to Albanion would not be physical damage, but psychological damage. Suppose they all agreed to sing in unison "Albanion is a dirty cheater" whenever he was in their presence. Would it be like some religious groups where the punishment for violations can include shunning. (In shunning, the members of the group agree not to talk with the individual.)
After all, wouldn't it be like the kids playing cowboys, where one always has an argument why the bullets didn't hit him. (I had a magic medical pouch and it repelled the bullet. At the moment you fired, I jumped twenty feet in the air and the bullet missed. You're such a lousy shot you missed. etc.)
Quote from: Amber Williams on October 24, 2007, 09:53:37 PM
Really it depends on one's definition of unbeatable. If people are wanting utter devastation, destruction beyond repair, total and absolute triumph...then yeah. They are munchkins who can't be beat. Unless you count the things more powerful than Fae, but they're usually too busy to bother. :U
Pfft. Come on Amber, we all know you and Fluffy aren't that busy all the time!
Quote from: Amber Williams on October 24, 2007, 07:20:22 PM
Quote from: Alondro on October 24, 2007, 07:17:19 PM
Cubi are deader than Fae! :P
Fixed. :U
*Charline grrs!* I
will conquere the Fae! No matter how many worlds I have to devour! >:O
There is only one hope... find a way to drive them all to absolute insanity
Quote from: Kuari on October 25, 2007, 04:27:02 AM
There is only one hope... find a way to drive them all to absolute insanity
Uh.. they're not there already?
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on October 25, 2007, 06:08:45 AM
Quote from: Kuari on October 25, 2007, 04:27:02 AM
There is only one hope... find a way to drive them all to absolute insanity
Uh.. they're not there already?
Yeah...Point taken boxy..
Listen you cant make crazy whats already crazy
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on October 25, 2007, 06:08:45 AM
Quote from: Kuari on October 25, 2007, 04:27:02 AM
There is only one hope... find a way to drive them all to absolute insanity
Uh.. they're not there already?
*Charles knows how to do just that!* Force them to watch Family Channel original movies. :P
Quote from: Alondro on October 25, 2007, 12:39:49 AM
Quote from: Amber Williams on October 24, 2007, 07:20:22 PM
Quote from: Alondro on October 24, 2007, 07:17:19 PM
Cubi are deader than Fae! :P
Fixed. :U
*Charline grrs!* I will conquere the Fae! No matter how many worlds I have to devour! >:O
It's a big Universe out there, neighbor. Chances of you finding a world that's actually inhabited is pretty darned slim.
Quote from: Alondro on October 25, 2007, 08:24:37 AM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on October 25, 2007, 06:08:45 AM
Quote from: Kuari on October 25, 2007, 04:27:02 AM
There is only one hope... find a way to drive them all to absolute insanity
Uh.. they're not there already?
*Charles knows how to do just that!* Force them to watch Family Channel original movies. :P
Hey! I'm in one of those >:O
Quote from: Netrogo on October 25, 2007, 11:41:17 AM
Hey! I'm in one of those >:O
... can we change the channel? ;-]
Quote from: Amber Williams on October 24, 2007, 09:53:37 PM
Well aren't we Mr. Grumpy. :U
Really it depends on one's definition of unbeatable. If people are wanting utter devastation, destruction beyond repair, total and absolute triumph...then yeah. They are munchkins who can't be beat. Unless you count the things more powerful than Fae, but they're usually too busy to bother. :U
However, the key thing to note is Fae will always do their best to uphold their roles. So if there is a belief a Fae can be "beaten" by shoving them full of cold iron, they will play along with it and will 'leave' after being 'defeated'. Not because they have to mind you, but because its' part of the game. So someone can 'beat' a Fae, resulting in them leaving said person and their families alone for all of time. As far as that person is concerned, they won. And for all intents and purposes they did...if only because they are blissfully unaware of the reality of it.
The difference is a matter of perspective.
well, of course somebody can beat a fae, like a pinata, just don't expect to survive their reprisal :U
Quote from: Cvstos on September 21, 2007, 06:34:28 PM
Nano-viruses might even be more lethal.
Excuse me for questioning your knowledge, but do you even
know what a nano virus is?!?
You, crazy you.
(A working nano-machine itself is almost uncomprehendably complex idea)
But how does one "defeat" a race that's indestructable, superior in magic, known from plotting and scheming and feared for their way to play with other life-forms.
Well, you might want to try to imprison a fae. Turn it to stone? deep frost? toss them into the emptiness of no return? There's gotta be some way!!
Oooh oohh! How about corrupt the whole race!! "How?" I dunno. Money, women, power. whatever works. Some kinda magic-fungi might do the trick. Even if the body is unbreakable, the mind is always fragile.
Quote from: Alondro on October 25, 2007, 12:39:49 AM
Quote from: Amber Williams on October 24, 2007, 07:20:22 PM
Quote from: Alondro on October 24, 2007, 07:17:19 PM
Cubi are deader than Fae! :P
Fixed. :U
*Charline grrs!* I will conquere the Fae! No matter how many worlds I have to devour! >:O
As long as you don't go after quadrant 769 alpha-meta-tangent. They're MINE!
Simply too much effort on trying to outright eliminate/obliterate/incarcerate/etc. the fae. And that's assuming they'd humor your sad attempts at it. The question is why have them as enemies in the first place? I don't get this whole 'we-must-defeat-every-creature' topic that comes up every now and then. I say, offer a little tea, biscuits and a good conversation. You get a friend who doubles as a limitless source of raw magical power.
Also, the fae never seem to fail (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_431.php) at buying you that perfect gift for your birthday.
Oh, I understand you completely Ink. It would be stupid to make the fae your enemies. But that doesn't mean evil people like Charline and I won't try to find some weakness that they might have while behind their backs. >:3
Quote from: Ink on October 25, 2007, 09:04:14 PM
Simply too much effort on trying to outright eliminate/obliterate/incarcerate/etc. the fae. And that's assuming they'd humor your sad attempts at it. The question is why have them as enemies in the first place?
I think people have taken it as a challenge.
"So you're saying that no one can drink this gallon of diet soda with in 45 seconds? Well see about
that *grin*"
I'll say it again. Fae are all male copulatory organs.
(and if I keep saying it, we'll probably see Mab drawn as a purple phallus with wings shouting "Wheee" more than likely, just to annoy me.)
Quote from: Gildedtongue on October 26, 2007, 07:48:34 AM
I'll say it again. Fae are all male copulatory organs.
(and if I keep saying it, we'll probably see Mab drawn as a purple phallus with wings shouting "Wheee" more than likely, just to annoy me.)
... Didn't Ben already draw that?
Quote from: Gildedtongue on October 26, 2007, 07:48:34 AM
I'll say it again. Fae are all male copulatory organs.
(and if I keep saying it, we'll probably see Mab drawn as a purple phallus with wings shouting "Wheee" more than likely, just to annoy me.)
Oh please no!
*Charline will make sure Beings get the long end of the stick* By beating them with it! :mwaha
Quote from: Alondro on October 26, 2007, 10:42:50 PM
*Charline will make sure Beings get the long end of the stick* By beating them with it! :mwaha
That sounds so dirty coming from you :erk
Quote from: Zedd on October 26, 2007, 10:46:13 PM
Quote from: Alondro on October 26, 2007, 10:42:50 PM
*Charline will make sure Beings get the long end of the stick* By beating them with it! :mwaha
That sounds so dirty coming from you :erk
Dangit, now you put horrible images in my head! D:
This thread has become awful. :<
become?