Well, What was his mom like at SAIA? Any thoughts?
"Same as she ever was, same as she ever was..."
I note they've managed to pull all the weeds out...
... And everything else, as well. :-]
Haha. Melonhead.
Tastey
those melons were rotton, you can tell.
Abel just looks so fuzzy there!
*HUG!*
Edit: Fuzzyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy! *had to for some reason.... :D*
It is said that Timing is everything. I think Dan has proved that to a T.
Abel's gonna have a fear of watermelons by the end of this... XD
Some how i don't think this was a cleaver trick on Dan's part. chances are he just has the oddest sense of timing and was trying to relax himself enough to ask.
Is there anyone who does think it was a clever trick on Dan's part? :erk
I certainly think not.
Wow. Just... wow. I never thought Dan was smart enough to pull a stunt like that.
Did he pull Abel down, or did Abel trip? It's probably obvious, but I'm not sure.
No clearly Abel did it to himself to try and hide from Dan's said question, like an Emu and/or Ostrich sticking its head into the ground or something. :U
......He clearly fell because he was somewhat embarassed. Notice the small yerk in the second panel, the yerk also could have been an anime sweat drop like in this small example: :animesweat
He was.....COMPELLED to fall. :mwaha
Edit:It's like an unspoken rule that you fall down when your embarassed or something, I saw it in anime once. ;)
abel's hair looks different
maybe his design is changing
Or the fact it's probably filled with sticky watermelon juice.
I'm trying to figure out how Abel wound up facing away from Dan.
Actually, I'm too busy laughing to care about that.
Quote from: Indilee on August 21, 2007, 11:44:43 PM
Abel's gonna have a fear of watermelons by the end of this... XD
He probably already is feeling kinda nauseous, what with his fear of blood and all ^^;
Quote from: Feroluce on August 22, 2007, 02:45:37 AMHe probably already is feeling kinda nauseous, what with his fear of blood and all ^^;
I don't think so. I'm sure that Abel can tell the difference between watermelon juice and blood. Remember, the only reason that he reacted to the paint was because he didn't know what it was and his body got confused. He knows quite well what this stuff is.
besides, the paint is red, the watermelon is not.
On the other hand, he may have a phobia of pink now.
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on August 22, 2007, 03:16:54 AM
besides, the paint is red, the watermelon is not.
just be thankful it wasn't beetroot. those things are RED
Quote from: techmaster-glitch on August 22, 2007, 12:19:49 AM
Is there anyone who does think it was a clever trick on Dan's part? :erk
I certainly think not.
As far as I'm aware, Dan shouldn't
know they've met. If he's deduced that they knew each other above and beyond the usual student-teacher relationship simply from one judo throw, that's far cleverer than simply asking a weird question to stall someone, although I think he has done that in the past too.
I seem to recall that SAIA is pretty big, and unless the pain-and-terror course is mandatory (does Dan know what she taught, even?) it's not guaranteed that they will ever have met.
Perhaps I'm overanalysing here, but I see two possibilities which no-one has yet suggested: (a) Dan engineered the entire watermelon attack to put Abel off-guard for the express purpose of asking that question (recall Riddle asking Slughorn in Harry Potter) or (b) His incubus attention-span - or lack thereof - just kicked in.
Quote from: Tapewolf on August 22, 2007, 04:14:28 AM
Quote from: techmaster-glitch on August 22, 2007, 12:19:49 AM
Is there anyone who does think it was a clever trick on Dan's part? :erk
I certainly think not.
As far as I'm aware, Dan shouldn't know they've met. If he's deduced that they knew each other above and beyond the usual student-teacher relationship simply from one judo throw, that's far cleverer than simply asking a weird question to stall someone, although I think he has done that in the past too.
I seem to recall that SAIA is pretty big, and unless the pain-and-terror course is mandatory (does Dan know what she taught, even?) it's not guaranteed that they will ever have met.
Perhaps I'm overanalysing here, but I see two possibilities which no-one has yet suggested: (a) Dan engineered the entire watermelon attack to put Abel off-guard for the express purpose of asking that question (recall Riddle asking Slughorn in Harry Potter) or (b) His incubus attention-span - or lack thereof - just kicked in.
I go with (b) dear sir..
Dan's always had a short attention span (which makes one wonder how he survived this long as an adventurer, maybe he got confused as a fae), so cubi short attention span is nothing new to him.
Dan found out about his mom being a teacher in the academy long ago, remember when Aaryanna told them about her time in the academy (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_294.php) and her hunt for Destania's killer (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_299.php)?
What surprises me is that Dan remembered that for this long.
Quote from: Madmann135 on August 22, 2007, 07:17:28 AM
Dan found out about his mom being a teacher in the academy long ago, remember when Aaryanna told them about her time in the academy and her hunt for Destania's killer?
What surprises me is that Dan remembered that for this long.
Yes, he'd know that their time at SAIA overlapped, and he knows that she was a teacher. I do not think he knows what
subject she taught.
Indeed, since his mother's actions at the Academy and immediately afterwards (preparing to eat Ed's soul, for example) basically represent everything he hates about 'Cubi, discovering that she ran the pain and terror department would have driven him into some kind of anti-'Cubi hysterical fit.
Abel has already told him that 'Cubi a generally given different modules depending on the kind of emotions they're most keyed to, and since Abel isn't showing any signs of being a pain and terror freak, there isn't much reason to assume she'd taught him.
His question wasn't "Did you know my mother at SAIA?", it was "What was she like?"
*EDIT*
I bet Alexsi told him.
Tape, if we let you ponder this for a few more hours, I'm sure Amber will be thankful for you auto-fixing any potential plothole. :P
I'll go with a poorly phrased, but innocent question on Dan's part, triggered by his short attention span. Or something along those lines.
Oh, come on, Sid. You're ruining the fun ;-]
Stop interfering with the supposition
/me notes that THERE ARE NO PLOTHOLES and summons the Spirit of Dave to seal all plotholes at once!
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on August 22, 2007, 08:17:45 AM
Oh, come on, Sid. You're ruining the fun ;-]
Stop interfering with the supposition
Well, I'm already done. Alexsi found out about it in 713, and I bet she mentioned it to Dan. He would have wanted to know how his mother was getting on, and although Alexsi treats Dan like garbage for the most part, I don't believe she'd be cold enough not to tell him, especially when
she wanted to know how Dan was doing. Mentioning that she taught Abel is the logical next step.
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on August 21, 2007, 11:13:38 PM
"Same as she ever was, same as she ever was..."
Once in a lifetime, Talking Heads. (What? I miss the lyrics game...)
Quote from: Tapewolf on August 22, 2007, 08:25:59 AM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on August 21, 2007, 11:13:38 PM
"Same as she ever was, same as she ever was..."
Once in a lifetime, Talking Heads. (What? I miss the lyrics game...)
Paraphrased, but yes. If you're missing it that much, start it up again. :-P
Quote from: je.saist on August 22, 2007, 08:21:14 AM
/me notes that THERE ARE NO PLOTHOLES and summons the Spirit of Dave to seal all plotholes at once!
...unless I mis-get your reference, the logical consequence would be to send Dan back in time... *shudders*
Quote from: Sid on August 22, 2007, 08:41:54 AM
Quote from: je.saist on August 22, 2007, 08:21:14 AM
/me notes that THERE ARE NO PLOTHOLES and summons the Spirit of Dave to seal all plotholes at once!
...unless I mis-get your reference, the logical consequence would be to send Dan back in time... *shudders*
he only has to hang from the roof in Fa'lina's office for 3months. How bad could it be?
I'm a bit worried about the rant. Well, not really worried, but I find it weird. Mid-life crisis at 25? Is Amber expecting to die at 50?
This isn't about to decend into a series of "Yo mamma is such a ho..." jokes now, is it? Not that couldn't be fun in it's own right. ^.^ All I know is that Abel just looks really guilty there for a moment.
Hmm, I can feel the wiggly-wavy flash back lines approaching as we speek. As for the Dan question plot hole thingamabob .. I thought it wasa very Dan way to ask. Even if Abel didn't know her personally he might have some stories/info.
Quote from: Gabi on August 22, 2007, 08:53:14 AM
I'm a bit worried about the rant. Well, not really worried, but I find it weird. Mid-life crisis at 25? Is Amber expecting to die at 50?
Actually, since 50 is rarely the middle of a person's life, I'd say 40.
And... Dan's smart. O_o
Quote from: rt on August 22, 2007, 09:20:57 AM
Hmm, I can feel the wiggly-wavy flash back lines approaching as we speek. As for the Dan question plot hole thingamabob...
No! Not a plot-hole! An interesting observation :B
If anything, I'm suspecting that Dan's going to find out what Dee was teaching, and have a conniption over it.
Unless SAIA is the size of a university, most students know who the best and/or popular teachers are. They may never take the class, but students see the teacher in the halls, and may actually engage in conversation. *gasp*
Quote from: DarkAudit on August 22, 2007, 10:06:19 AM
Unless SAIA is the size of a university, most students know who the best and/or popular teachers are.
I'm assuming it is at least the size of UWE, which is fairly small but is still big enough to have complete isolation between disciplines. There were whole sections of it I never visited at all. Of course I wasn't there for 375 years... >:3
Yeah, if you go to a school for 350+ years, I think it would be safe to say that in that time span, you would have vistited ever single nook and cranny at least once. :P
Abel shoved his eggplant down Dan's throat...
yes, Im being infantile...
yes, I know how that sounds forced...
yes, Im thinking about drawing it...
...or not.
Quote from: Violet Dusk on August 22, 2007, 09:02:16 AM
This isn't about to decend into a series of "Yo mamma is such a ho..." jokes now, is it? Not that couldn't be fun in it's own right. ^.^ All I know is that Abel just looks really guilty there for a moment.
*Dan* What was my Mom like at the Academy?
*Wildy pops in and adds* ... in bed?
:giggle
Quote from: Tapewolf on August 22, 2007, 09:41:09 AM
Quote from: rt on August 22, 2007, 09:20:57 AM
As for the Dan question plot hole thingamabob...
No! Not a plot-hole! An interesting observation :B
<Arrnold> Eets not a plot 'ole
My bad .. 'Dave' already fixed any holes
And I now promptly shift blame to sid for calling it that first >:3
Quote from: Tapewolf on August 22, 2007, 10:12:18 AM
Quote from: DarkAudit on August 22, 2007, 10:06:19 AM
Unless SAIA is the size of a university, most students know who the best and/or popular teachers are.
I'm assuming it is at least the size of UWE, which is fairly small but is still big enough to have complete isolation between disciplines. There were whole sections of it I never visited at all. Of course I wasn't there for 375 years... >:3
Im sure maybe your char did pop in and bump into Zedd maybe...Not sure how but probley fate is like a giant cheese wheel
Quote from: Alondro on August 22, 2007, 10:56:10 AM
*Dan* What was my Mom like at the Academy?
*Wildy pops in and adds* ... in bed?
C|N>K
This strip just made me think of the classic "spaz chop." Heh heh...
-Seth
Quote from: Alondro on August 22, 2007, 10:56:10 AM*Dan* What was my Mom like at the Academy?
*Wildy pops in and adds* ... in bed?
Yeah, I'm actually half-expecting this.
hmm..is Dan practising his contact based mindreading skills again? arc588 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_588.php)
I guess Abel lost his focus there for a second, forgetting to close his mind when his good looks had just been so viciously ruined :) so giving Dan a glimpse of whats going on in his mind. And I can see how Able must struggle not to think about her when hes spending so much time around her only son.
Quote from: techmaster-glitch on August 22, 2007, 10:16:31 AM
Yeah, if you go to a school for 350+ years, I think it would be safe to say that in that time span, you would have vistited ever single nook and cranny at least once. :P
Except the library. We still don't know what Abel did there, but I got the feeling one visit was (more than) enough. ;)
What
did happen, anyway? Did Abel criticise the Librarian's stacking...? :erk
Quote from: SpottedKitty on August 22, 2007, 07:51:14 PM
What did happen, anyway? Did Abel criticise the Librarian's stacking...? :erk
It's possible that Amber doesn't know. Either way, what actually happened probably wouldn't live up to people's expectations now :P
Now I can see the strip on a decent monitor, I've just got to add that I love the little smashed vegetables everywhere. A nice touch.
Quote from: Tapewolf on August 22, 2007, 07:59:54 PM
Quote from: SpottedKitty on August 22, 2007, 07:51:14 PM
What did happen, anyway? Did Abel criticise the Librarian's stacking...? :erk
It's possible that Amber doesn't know. Either way, what actually happened probably wouldn't live up to people's expectations now :P
Probably. It's been said that it is similar to the "Noddle Incident" of the Calvin and Hobbes comics. It's frequently referenced, but never actually explained or flashback-revisited.
CALVIN: We're supposed to be doing a creative writing story in class...
HOBBES: Heh-heh...like that "story" you wrote about the Noodle Incident?
CALVIN: THAT WASN'T A STORY! THAT WAS UNVARNISHED TRUTH!!!!
you know I think this is the first time we saw Able with real malace in his eyes.
WHAT IS DAN DOING TO OUR DEER SWEET ABLE! (couldn't resist the Mab reaction).
Who knows how Dan was able to peace together that Able and his mom knew each other. It could have been their fighting styles or something else but he did none the less.
Destania VS Alexsi (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_703.php)
Able VS Dan (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_734.php)
INSITE (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_750.php) into Dan's question and his unique timing.
Heh, always be wary of what people ask you.
On a side note: I'm back, baby!
To me it looks like to guys bonding. And Dan feels that he can bring up some personal info about his mom. I think he is seeing Abel as a close friend. :hug
ok, my 2cents. go back and block that you read this.
*edit*
True....Dan does have an affinity for pain, mabye he's actually subliminally mistakened getting thrashed as acts of brotherly affection? :.
Physical pain of others, not pain of himself. Cubi can't "eat" their own emotions, can they? If they could, then they would have absolutely no need to absorb the emotions of others. The whole Succubus/Incubus race is based of of "seducing" others in various ways so that they produce desireable emotions for energy.
It wouldn't be just physical pain (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_310.php), it could be any kind of pain (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_528.php), and Abel is kind of a walking emo-pain factory. I think they probably do get some of there own emotion-energy back from themselves, but I'd bet a good part of it would be lost probably from just maintaining their lifeforce so they couldn't just run their whole lives off their own emotions, but surely they would feel the sensation of it if anything on a subconcious level.
We could ask Amber for clarity........but she might destroy us all. :U
Quote from: Xeksue on August 22, 2007, 10:48:48 PM
It wouldn't be just physical pain (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_310.php), it could be any kind of pain (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_528.php), and Abel is kind of a walking emo-pain factory. I think they probably do get some of there own emotion-energy back from themselves, but I'd bet a good part of it would be lost probably from just maintaining their lifeforce so they couldn't just run their whole lives off their own emotions, but surely they would feel the sensation of it if anything on a subconcious level.
We could ask Amber for clarity........but she might destroy us all. :U
(http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/1/10/250px-Attack_of_the_clowns_(Billy_and_Mandy).jpg) DESTROY US ALL!!
Quote from: techmaster-glitch on August 22, 2007, 10:28:56 PM
Physical pain of others, not pain of himself. Cubi can't "eat" their own emotions, can they? If they could, then they would have absolutely no need to absorb the emotions of others. The whole Succubus/Incubus race is based of of "seducing" others in various ways so that they produce desireable emotions for energy.
My understanding is that emotions are a catalyst, not the ultimate energy source.
From the Wiki:
'Cubi are believed to feed on background magical energy, but they require a more immediate source of energy - such as emotions - in order to actually harness it [2]. Because the emotions aren't the actual energy source themselves, it means that 'cubi can feed off each other - or even their own emotions - without requiring any further input.Since the Wiki is not an authoritative source, here's Amber's post on the subject:
http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php?topic=2262.msg93651#msg93651
...it's probably worth reading the entire thread. (Caution: she was on medication when writing that so use discretion :P )
Quote from: Tapewolf on August 23, 2007, 04:22:02 AM
Quote from: techmaster-glitch on August 22, 2007, 10:28:56 PM
Physical pain of others, not pain of himself. Cubi can't "eat" their own emotions, can they? If they could, then they would have absolutely no need to absorb the emotions of others. The whole Succubus/Incubus race is based of of "seducing" others in various ways so that they produce desireable emotions for energy.
My understanding is that emotions are a catalyst, not the ultimate energy source.
From the Wiki:
'Cubi are believed to feed on background magical energy, but they require a more immediate source of energy - such as emotions - in order to actually harness it [2]. Because the emotions aren't the actual energy source themselves, it means that 'cubi can feed off each other - or even their own emotions - without requiring any further input.
Since the Wiki is not an authoritative source, here's Amber's post on the subject:
http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=181
...it's probably worth reading the entire thread. (Caution: she was on medication when writing that so use discretion :P )
I think you need this link http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php?topic=2262.msg93651#msg93651
what you have is a link to Ambers profile.
Quote from: AndersW on August 23, 2007, 09:11:42 AM
I think you need this link... what you have is a link to Ambers profile.
Nothing like proofreading, is there? :P
Quote from: Tapewolf on August 23, 2007, 09:13:41 AM
Nothing like proofreading, is there? :P
You're right, that was nothing like proofreading ;-]
If Abel wants to turn the tables later, he can mention that Kria Soulstealer was his elementary school teacher, and ask Dan how's she been doing lately. Stating that Kria was a kind person should really blow Dan's mind.
Quote from: Naldru on August 23, 2007, 10:21:40 AM
If Abel wants to turn the tables later, he can mention that Kria Soulstealer was his elementary school teacher, and ask Dan how's she been doing lately. Stating that Kria was a kind person should really blow Dan's mind.
I'm not sure Dan and Kria have met.
At this rate, we'll soon need flowcharts to keep track of the various "have met" relations (in strict canon without off-panel possibilities). ;)
or it could be handled in song, kind of like when the anamaniacs sand the countries of the world.
and even then regina will be floating out somewhere in space, miles away from anyone with the animal magnatisim of Jyjy
Quote from: superluser on August 22, 2007, 07:04:16 PM
Quote from: Alondro on August 22, 2007, 10:56:10 AM*Dan* What was my Mom like at the Academy?
*Wildy pops in and adds* ... in bed?
Yeah, I'm actually half-expecting this.
And I'd love to see the battle that results from it... especially if Abel's thoughtless reply was, "Not bad, actually!" :mwaha
Quote from: Tapewolf on August 23, 2007, 11:07:34 AM
Quote from: Naldru on August 23, 2007, 10:21:40 AM
If Abel wants to turn the tables later, he can mention that Kria Soulstealer was his elementary school teacher, and ask Dan how's she been doing lately. Stating that Kria was a kind person should really blow Dan's mind.
I'm not sure Dan and Kria have met.
You don't think that Jyrras would have mentioned her? However, I guess it's in the same category as Dan knowing about Abel's relationship with Destania. Do you think that we would see another stunned look on Jyrras's face?
Quote from: Naldru on August 23, 2007, 03:51:34 PM
You don't think that Jyrras would have mentioned [Kria]? However, I guess it's in the same category as Dan knowing about Abel's relationship with Destania.
Even if Jyrras told Dan about Kria, discovering that she was also Abel's teacher at primary school isn't going to blow his mind. If he'd known her for years and this suddenly came to light, then yes. If he's only ever heard a couple of things about her from Jyrras and Lorenda, his reaction is more likely to be "Mmph? Whatever...", IMHO.
Now, Abel telling Jyrras about Kria, that's another story altogether... ;-]
Quote from: Sid on August 23, 2007, 11:32:02 AM
At this rate, we'll soon need flowcharts to keep track of the various "have met" relations (in strict canon without off-panel possibilities). ;)
Okay, you asked for it...Click here. (http://art.airlandrail.net/img/misc/flowchart.jpg)
I left out a few characters but for the most part, it's all there.
Quote from: modelincard on August 23, 2007, 09:26:43 PM
Quote from: Sid on August 23, 2007, 11:32:02 AM
At this rate, we'll soon need flowcharts to keep track of the various "have met" relations (in strict canon without off-panel possibilities). ;)
Okay, you asked for it...Click here. (http://art.airlandrail.net/img/misc/flowchart.jpg)
I left out a few characters but for the most part, it's all there.
as much fun as the line graph is to (try to) read, I think I would prefer to stick with something more simple. Like one of those X/Y grids.
Quote from: modelincard on August 23, 2007, 09:26:43 PM
Okay, you asked for it...Click here. (http://art.airlandrail.net/img/misc/flowchart.jpg)
Whoa. :mowdizzy
Depending on what happens in Abel's Story, Kria could think that Abel is long dead and be really surprised to find out that he isn't dead. Also Abel could think that Kria is dead, maybe killed by Aniz or something.
That would be an odd meeting. They both think the other is dead then find out that they aren't dead.
Quote from: AndersW on August 24, 2007, 12:38:33 AM
Depending on what happens in Abel's Story, Kria could think that Abel is long dead and be really surprised to find out that he isn't dead. Also Abel could think that Kria is dead, maybe killed by Aniz or something.
The amulet looks the same, though. It could be a copy, or another one of the same model, but if it
is the same, that means she's due to pop in any second. Maybe saving Hennya from a horrible death.
Quote from: modelincard on August 23, 2007, 09:26:43 PM
Okay, you asked for it...Click here. (http://art.airlandrail.net/img/misc/flowchart.jpg)
What did you make it in, and can we have the source file? :P
Quote from: Tapewolf on August 24, 2007, 04:05:38 AM
Quote from: modelincard on August 23, 2007, 09:26:43 PM
Okay, you asked for it...Click here. (http://art.airlandrail.net/img/misc/flowchart.jpg)
What did you make it in, and can we have the source file? :P
I made it is Canvas (
not Open Canvas). The source file is a .cvx format, so I'm not sure what you would have that could read it. Unfortunately, Canvas has a habit of flattening things when it exports (or forcing you to do so beforehand), so I could give you a .psd but it wouldn't do much good. The best I could do is if it doesn't flatten .pdf files (which may be one of the few it doesn't).
Quote from: Tapewolf on August 24, 2007, 04:05:38 AM
Quote from: AndersW on August 24, 2007, 12:38:33 AM
Depending on what happens in Abel's Story, Kria could think that Abel is long dead and be really surprised to find out that he isn't dead. Also Abel could think that Kria is dead, maybe killed by Aniz or something.
The amulet looks the same, though. It could be a copy, or another one of the same model, but if it is the same, that means she's due to pop in any second. Maybe saving Hennya from a horrible death.
Exactly, we don't know what happens, and until we do we can't rule anything out.
Quote from: AndersW on August 24, 2007, 09:09:32 AM
Quote from: Tapewolf on August 24, 2007, 04:05:38 AM
Quote from: AndersW on August 24, 2007, 12:38:33 AM
Depending on what happens in Abel's Story, Kria could think that Abel is long dead and be really surprised to find out that he isn't dead. Also Abel could think that Kria is dead, maybe killed by Aniz or something.
The amulet looks the same, though. It could be a copy, or another one of the same model, but if it is the same, that means she's due to pop in any second. Maybe saving Hennya from a horrible death.
Exactly, we don't know what happens, and until we do we can't rule anything out.
And whatever we speculate in here, Amber may do exactly the opposite, or more likely go off in a completely different direction, just to mess with our heads.
Which is fine by me. :mwaha