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Title: The Art of Last Resort (among other things)
Post by: Jigsaw Forte on May 07, 2007, 07:51:24 PM
http://jekkal.deviantart.com (http://jekkal.deviantart.com)

Most of the stuff is there, or on the webcomic (http://lastresort.xepher.net).

Why am I finally showing it off here? because I want to pitch, because I want to make art over this summer...

Most importantly . . . because I'm sick of whining about nobody looking!  :<
Title: Re: The Art of Last Resort (among other things)
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on May 07, 2007, 09:57:19 PM
I look.

Admittedly, I don't follow DA all that much, but I -do- watch the comic.
Title: Re: The Art of Last Resort (among other things)
Post by: xHaZxMaTx on May 08, 2007, 01:20:11 AM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on May 07, 2007, 09:57:19 PM
...Admittedly, I don't follow DA all that much, but I -do- watch the comic.
Title: Re: The Art of Last Resort (among other things)
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on May 08, 2007, 06:58:01 AM
... Did you have something to add, Haz? :-]
Title: Re: The Art of Last Resort (among other things)
Post by: xHaZxMaTx on May 08, 2007, 11:12:57 AM
No, I'm just lazy and didn't feel like typing, so I just quoted you. :P
Title: Re: The Art of Last Resort (among other things)
Post by: Jim Halisstrad on May 09, 2007, 01:52:39 PM
So far I'm digging it.
I'm guessing Jigsaw kept the Robot Chicken (or what ever those fowl bots were) heads in her guitar case?  If so, thats awesome.
Title: Re: The Art of Last Resort (among other things)
Post by: Tapewolf on May 09, 2007, 02:01:04 PM
Quote from: Jim Halisstrad on May 09, 2007, 01:52:39 PM
So far I'm digging it.
I'm guessing Jigsaw kept the Robot Chicken (or what ever those fowl bots were) heads in her guitar case?  If so, thats awesome.
Dunno.  Traditionally the violin case is used to conceal a submachine gun, but we haven't seen the contents of hers yet so it's hard to say.  I'm guessing it might be a surprise.
Title: Re: The Art of Last Resort (among other things)
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on May 09, 2007, 06:21:54 PM
... a golden glow, perhaps?
Title: Re: The Art of Last Resort (among other things)
Post by: KarlOmega1 on May 10, 2007, 05:22:24 PM
I like the comic...I'll have to request to you to remind me to never tick you off, however, seeing as what you did to those robotic birds.
Title: Re: The Art of Last Resort (among other things)
Post by: GabrielsThoughts on May 10, 2007, 11:58:51 PM
I don't like the comic so much, the characters remind me of "slightly damned" and "Inhuman Nexus."
Title: Re: The Art of Last Resort (among other things)
Post by: Jigsaw Forte on May 11, 2007, 04:43:32 PM
Quote from: GabrielsThoughts on May 10, 2007, 11:58:51 PM
I don't like the comic so much, the characters remind me of "slightly damned" and "Inhuman Nexus."

Seeing how I apparently don't get out much, you'll have to either be more specific or provide hyperlinking.
Title: Re: The Art of Last Resort (among other things)
Post by: GabrielsThoughts on May 11, 2007, 06:33:47 PM
Slightly Damned (http://www.raizap.com/sdamned/index.htm)

Inhuman Nexus (http://hekshano.com/)
Title: Re: The Art of Last Resort (among other things)
Post by: Jigsaw Forte on May 13, 2007, 12:17:24 PM
New strip up, by the way.
Title: Re: The Art of Last Resort (among other things)
Post by: Tapewolf on May 13, 2007, 02:49:26 PM
Quote from: Jigsaw Forte on May 13, 2007, 12:17:24 PM
New strip up, by the way.
Indeed.  So - apart from 'application binary interface', what does ABI stand for?
Title: Re: The Art of Last Resort (among other things)
Post by: Zedd on May 13, 2007, 09:19:46 PM
Its all good
Title: Re: The Art of Last Resort (among other things)
Post by: Jigsaw Forte on May 13, 2007, 10:40:04 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 13, 2007, 02:49:26 PM
Quote from: Jigsaw Forte on May 13, 2007, 12:17:24 PM
New strip up, by the way.
Indeed.  So - apart from 'application binary interface', what does ABI stand for?

Arael Bureau of Investigation. Like 'FBI', but for that planet.

Most of the backstories aren't going to affect the main plot per se, but might affect how I write it out - laying plotbunnies and providing secondary fuel, so to speak.
Title: Re: The Art of Last Resort (among other things)
Post by: Jigsaw Forte on May 21, 2007, 10:29:17 PM
New Page up, AND a bonus section with some pages from my MomoCon Sampler (with a slightly lighter side of the show's participants)
Title: Re: The Art of Last Resort (among other things)
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on May 22, 2007, 03:43:52 AM
I saw that page yesterday. :-P

Title: Re: The Art of Last Resort (among other things)
Post by: Jigsaw Forte on May 22, 2007, 02:48:21 PM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on May 22, 2007, 03:43:52 AM
I saw that page yesterday. :-P



I never said I was timely in saying when sunday updates were announced here . . . but anyway.
Title: Re: The Art of Last Resort (among other things)
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on May 22, 2007, 03:18:09 PM
Hey, I wasn't complaining :-)

I enjoyed it, actually.
Title: Re: The Art of Last Resort (among other things)
Post by: Jigsaw Forte on May 27, 2007, 12:55:00 AM
New Page! Go see!
Title: Re: The Art of Last Resort (among other things)
Post by: KarlOmega1 on May 27, 2007, 01:03:40 PM
Hehehe...that was kinda funny...
Title: Re: The Art of Last Resort (among other things)
Post by: ITOS on May 27, 2007, 01:19:46 PM
Quote from: Jigsaw Forte on May 27, 2007, 12:55:00 AM
New Page! Go see!

No! >:O

...

*goes off to watch it* :shifty
Title: Re: The Art of Last Resort (among other things)
Post by: superluser on May 28, 2007, 12:35:03 AM
Aww, man, you got a guest strip!

That's awesome.
Title: Re: The Art of Last Resort (among other things)
Post by: nikename2 on May 28, 2007, 01:31:25 AM
That strip was full of awesome and win.  ;)
Title: Re: The Art of Last Resort (among other things)
Post by: superluser on May 28, 2007, 02:06:09 AM
I'm finally able to put into words what I like about your art.

1.) The lines/shapes are thick and clearly defined, almost like a woodcut (I like woodcuts), and you include shading, so it doesn't wind up looking like the Adventures of Tintin.
2.) The colors (especially in the guest strip) look reminiscent of cross-processed colors--very high contrast but slightly off and a little jaundiced.

So basically, it looks like a cross-processed Ukiyo-e.  :dribble
Title: Re: The Art of Last Resort (among other things)
Post by: Jigsaw Forte on June 01, 2007, 01:16:46 AM
The magic of photobucket!

Guest strip for those who missed it (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v435/jekkal/guestdmfastrip.jpg)

Edit: Thanks llearch.
Title: Re: The Art of Last Resort (among other things)
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on June 01, 2007, 04:12:16 AM
JF, the forum limits image size to a max of 500 pixels in either dimension. It's generally a good idea to link it, as well, so that, if it's larger than that, people can just click on it to go look at it in full...

Something like [url=http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v435/jekkal/guestdmfastrip.jpg]
[img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v435/jekkal/guestdmfastrip.jpg[/img][/url]

will do it nicely.



*edit: Damn you Llearch, you be breakin' my forums. ~Dam
Title: Re: The Art of Last Resort (among other things)
Post by: Jigsaw Forte on June 07, 2007, 11:42:32 PM
*pokes it*

I didn't get my usual 'update hump' when I put the page up this week...
Title: Re: The Art of Last Resort (among other things)
Post by: Jigsaw Forte on June 10, 2007, 12:11:58 AM
Xepher's down. Link goes to FurAffinity Version (http://www.furaffinity.net/view/594731/) instead.

EDIT: Okay, back up now.

Title: Re: The Art of Last Resort (among other things)
Post by: superluser on June 10, 2007, 01:13:20 AM
Not using the LiveJournal forum, anymore?

Anyways, I'm wondering about the exposition.  It seems to come fast and furious, and with the subtlety of a hand grenade.  Have you thought about trying do exposition a little more subtly?
Title: Re: The Art of Last Resort (among other things)
Post by: Zedd on June 10, 2007, 06:09:01 AM
Nice an update and dont he be a classical douchebag
Title: Re: The Art of Last Resort (among other things)
Post by: Jigsaw Forte on June 10, 2007, 12:17:34 PM
Quote from: superluser on June 10, 2007, 01:13:20 AM
Not using the LiveJournal forum, anymore?

Anyways, I'm wondering about the exposition.  It seems to come fast and furious, and with the subtlety of a hand grenade.  Have you thought about trying do exposition a little more subtly?

I have week-long gaps between each page, and it's the first few issues still. 'Subtle' exposition that takes a few weeks to get through the whole story results in a pacing that may not be sustainable the way it is in a faster strip.
Title: Re: The Art of Last Resort (among other things)
Post by: superluser on June 10, 2007, 12:45:21 PM
Quote from: Jigsaw Forte on June 10, 2007, 12:17:34 PMI have week-long gaps between each page, and it's the first few issues still. 'Subtle' exposition that takes a few weeks to get through the whole story results in a pacing that may not be sustainable the way it is in a faster strip.

True.  Actually, most of the exposition was fine.  I just felt that the ``It will be an honor and a pleasure to be your executioner'' line could have been a little more deftly worded.
Title: Re: The Art of Last Resort (among other things)
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on June 10, 2007, 02:55:45 PM
The other option is pushing a faster update schedule for the exposition, and then falling back once you get into the swing of things. Of course, that presumes you have a backlog, and are willing to do that, etc etc...

And -able- to do that, as well. The time taken to do a comic is significant, and if your time runs out, there's only so much you can do without burning out, and nobody wants that. :-]
Title: Re: The Art of Last Resort (among other things)
Post by: superluser on June 10, 2007, 05:41:37 PM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on June 10, 2007, 02:55:45 PMThe other option is pushing a faster update schedule for the exposition

No.  I'm trying to think about how I'd do it, but it's important to note that I'm not suggesting anything that would change how fast exposition is happening or how frequently the strip updates, because I think that would be rude.

I'm trying to think of how I would do it.  I guess I'd probably do something like p.23, last panel--

ARCHANIS: You sound like you're from Fenirel, and yet you seem positively ecstatic to see me.  I guess that can mean only one thing...

P.24, first panel

ARCHANIS: ...you're here to kill me.

I guess my only issue is that the way it is, it *sounds* like exposition.  By placing the words in someone else's mouth, you break up the flow a little bit.

I also have a habit of taking things that are good (and this is good) and trying to make them perfect, which often results in making them worse, so please take what I say with a grain of salt.
Title: Re: The Art of Last Resort (among other things)
Post by: Jigsaw Forte on June 10, 2007, 07:35:15 PM
Quote from: superluser on June 10, 2007, 05:41:37 PM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on June 10, 2007, 02:55:45 PMThe other option is pushing a faster update schedule for the exposition

No.  I'm trying to think about how I'd do it, but it's important to note that I'm not suggesting anything that would change how fast exposition is happening or how frequently the strip updates, because I think that would be rude.

I'm trying to think of how I would do it.  I guess I'd probably do something like p.23, last panel--

ARCHANIS: You sound like you're from Fenirel, and yet you seem positively ecstatic to see me.  I guess that can mean only one thing...

P.24, first panel

ARCHANIS: ...you're here to kill me.

I guess my only issue is that the way it is, it *sounds* like exposition.  By placing the words in someone else's mouth, you break up the flow a little bit.

I also have a habit of taking things that are good (and this is good) and trying to make them perfect, which often results in making them worse, so please take what I say with a grain of salt.

I'll keep it in mind for later on - And by 'later on' I mean I'm coloring page 38 at this point and it'll be some time before you see your suggestion taken into account just by the sheer amount of time to pass.

Yeah, it's a little heavy-handed, but as you'll see next page, Jason's getting a little ahead of himself. 

EDIT: and while we're at this . . . answers to questions I ignored earlier:

My artistic pace at college is weekly; Obviously since I have far more free time in the summer, I could in theory increase my schedule, but I'd rather have a backlog built up so when I return to college / head for Canada later this year/ feel like getting drunk with friends at some point, you guys don't have to deal with filler or late updates (at least none that are late thanks to anything on my end). So while things are slow now, at least they're steady.

I do intend at some point to increase the pace eventually (and by 'eventually' I mean I'll need at least enough buffer to cover the current schedule until next summer - we're talking in the 30-40 backlog range), but for the quality of comic I'm turning out, you're already getting some awesome stuff on a weekly basis.

The livejournal forum's been taken out of the link lineup for right now because I felt it reflected worse on the comic to have a forum that nobody bothered to use, than to not have a forum until people started asking for it.
Title: Re: The Art of Last Resort (among other things)
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on June 11, 2007, 06:33:13 AM
Quote from: Jigsaw Forte on June 10, 2007, 07:35:15 PM
I do intend at some point to increase the pace eventually (and by 'eventually' I mean I'll need at least enough buffer to cover the current schedule until next summer - we're talking in the 30-40 backlog range), but for the quality of comic I'm turning out, you're already getting some awesome stuff on a weekly basis.

Heh. Indeed.
Title: Re: The Art of Last Resort (among other things)
Post by: Jigsaw Forte on June 11, 2007, 09:54:15 AM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on June 11, 2007, 06:33:13 AM
Quote from: Jigsaw Forte on June 10, 2007, 07:35:15 PM
I do intend at some point to increase the pace eventually (and by 'eventually' I mean I'll need at least enough buffer to cover the current schedule until next summer - we're talking in the 30-40 backlog range), but for the quality of comic I'm turning out, you're already getting some awesome stuff on a weekly basis.

Heh. Indeed.

Well, this is me thinking "I can make a page a week, so if I have a buffer that's also up to a page a week, I can get out two a week that way". The 'until next summer' breaking point is a matter of thinking that if I can make it that far,  then I'll be covering myself until the next big production glut.

What's more likely is that I'll hold onto the buffer and release bonus comics as donation incentives every now and then, once I have a reasonably steady idea.
Title: Re: The Art of Last Resort (among other things)
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on June 11, 2007, 10:10:45 AM
...which is entirely reasonable enough.
Title: Re: The Art of Last Resort (among other things)
Post by: Jigsaw Forte on June 17, 2007, 12:57:26 AM
new Update!

And a BLOG (http://lastresort.xepher.net/blog), too!
Title: Re: The Art of Last Resort (among other things)
Post by: KarlOmega1 on June 17, 2007, 01:02:50 AM
oh boy....the guy should not be laughing and thinking that around someone that can hear thoughts...

(is referring to the comic update)
Title: Re: The Art of Last Resort (among other things)
Post by: Jigsaw Forte on June 24, 2007, 12:16:49 PM
New comic, as usual.  :U
Title: Re: The Art of Last Resort (among other things)
Post by: Jigsaw Forte on July 01, 2007, 11:40:41 AM
New Page! http://lastresort.xepher.net/archive.php?comic=26 (http://lastresort.xepher.net/archive.php?comic=26)
Title: Re: The Art of Last Resort (among other things)
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on July 01, 2007, 11:55:55 AM
I noticed. ;-]
Title: Re: The Art of Last Resort (among other things)
Post by: AndersW on July 10, 2007, 01:24:43 PM
I can't follow who is saying what, when, in the top half of comic #25 (http://lastresort.xepher.net/archive.php?comic=25)
Title: Re: The Art of Last Resort (among other things)
Post by: Jigsaw Forte on July 11, 2007, 11:07:54 PM
Quote from: AndersW on July 10, 2007, 01:24:43 PM
I can't follow who is saying what, when, in the top half of comic #25 (http://lastresort.xepher.net/archive.php?comic=25)

Accidentally on purpose, because there's two ways to interpret the situation:

The correct answer is most likely 'a little of both', and either way Jigsaw has good reason to watch out for him, let alone... well...
Title: Re: The Art of Last Resort (among other things)
Post by: AndersW on July 16, 2007, 10:41:11 PM
What makes it really hard to figure out is that I have trouble figuring out who said what.  Like is that his line or her line.  Being unsure of that makes it even more confusing in trying to figure out.
Title: Re: The Art of Last Resort (among other things)
Post by: Zedd on October 02, 2007, 09:07:21 PM
Look out its porn!
Title: Re: The Art of Last Resort (among other things)
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on October 02, 2007, 09:32:41 PM
Zedd, the limits on necromancy still count.

I'm presuming this one was a mistake. Don't make me regret that.