Only a thought in looking . Of 'course Dark Pegasus mebbe dead for now , but what of Regina, the 1 frame wonder demon in comic # 388 . Was she a cameo ? She now has a bit in the 'random comer's ' page that tells us nothing about her . I wonder ??????????
Quote from: kaskar on March 26, 2007, 04:57:38 AM
Only a thought in looking . Of 'course Dark Pegasus mebbe dead for now , but what of Regina, the 1 frame wonder demon in comic # 388 . Was she a cameo ?
No, she's going to turn up eventually. 'Abel's Story' was almost 'Regina's Story' (http://dmfa.wikia.com/wiki/Abel%27s_Story)
As for what circumstances a character can be resurrected, I'm not sure - DP returned from the dead on at least one occasion.
don't worry. just make sure Dan loses the lion cloth in the next go around and DP will not want to come back.
Overview...Not alot people are dead...Just well hidden ;3
Amber seems to have gone with Undeath being a random occurance rather than the powers of negative energy and the great hatred or desire bringing a tortured soul back to a half life.
And if you're talking the Marvel universe, they'll always come back. Why? Because that's just the way Marvel works, and also because eventually you must choose between listening to the fans who beg to bring the character back, or you commit suicide to stop the noise.
yes llearch... I'll attempt to behave...
Shush, Saist.
Whilst I agree in concept, personal attacks are a no-no. Take this as a warning, mmkay?
Edit: Good lad. :-]
Anyway, I was just thinking that a couple weeks ago about how characters a webcomist or author creates never die for real -- they may come back in a different form, or a main character could go and rescue them from the dead, but generally nobody just dies. I guess because in real life the death of a young person (genrally the characters in a given comic are young) is pretty rare, so it's not generally realistic (not that dying and coming back is, but eh, fantasy worlds get leway (sp?) to do so.
Unfortunately, it's not as rare as all that. Just take the road toll, for example... :-/
Edit: *hide*
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on March 26, 2007, 02:46:04 PM
Unfortunately, it's not as rare as all that. Just take the road toll, for example... :-/
Huh?
Well, it's rare for me. Out of the hundreds of young people I've known in high school, college, etc., I've only read about the death of one due to a car crash in the paper.
One out of, say, a couple hundred or so? Yeah, that's pretty rare.
I don't include suicides as counting. I do know of a couple people who did commit suicide, but it was over stupid things like a girl leaving them or because "life sucks" or something. I don't really have much sympathy for people who take their own life. There are so many people out there who are dying because of starvation or cancer or other things, and to just kill yourself shows that you're a pretty selfish person. So they're not the same as a person dying because of an accident or murder or disease, which is pretty rare.
Anyway, it annoys me to know end that you didn't explain what you mean. If you're going to reference something that people may not have a clue as to what it is, please be courteous enough to not make us google it to know what you're talking about.
My apologies, I figured the fact that there -was- a road toll was general enough knowledge, and that it took an effect on people (usually fatal) that I wouldn't have to list references.
I meant: There is a road toll. It's fairly well known. If you know a couple hundred people, which is reasonable, chances are there's going to be at least a couple of road deaths in that number.
Rolling those numbers out, across the world, that's a heck of a lot of deaths. That's a heck of a lot of people affected by those deaths.
It's really not -that- uncommon for a young person to die. Not on a global scale, not on a local scale. Not even if you limit it to Western countries.
Is that a little more explicit, Kattucino?
I think when you see a villain's mutilated corpse, that is the end of that character.
Quote from: Kattuccino on March 26, 2007, 02:42:18 PM
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(click the link)
Not shure if this is really relevent, but I found something interesting in the Fae entry of the Demo 101:
QuoteWhatever the role and limits are, the Fae sets themselves to that guide very strictly, so far as even allowing themselves to be "killed" for the sake of the great theatre. It does seem though that death on the plane of Furrae is only temporary as there have been many Fae who supposedly died but later return only to start a new role on a new stage...
It could only be true for the Fae, but perhaps it applies to other races as well?
Quote from: GabrielsThoughts on March 26, 2007, 04:46:59 PM
I think when you see a villain's mutilated corpse, that is the end of that character.
Not really. Whenever that happens, it always ends up that there was a clone involved or the person had a child or something.
this brings to mind the old arguments the mega-nerds had of wether or not boba fett was dead due to there being no body.
you see all those undead? we even saw ghostly dan when he croaked. necromancers and whatnot, but mostly the 'dead' charicters all hang out in a special lounge set asside for them. theres punch and pie.
QuoteThe foot bone's connected to the, leg bone. the leg bone's connected to the, hip bone. the hip bone's connected to the, gonads. the gonads connected to the, AC/DC cables.
It seem that any character now can be one of the undead . No marks or any other problems . Pity it does not work on the readers health . When was the last time you felt ill ?
Fact is, trying to be dramatic by having a character die doesn't really work anymore. People get too attached and really can't just let them go, meaning you risk losing some of your fans, at least until that character comes back.
As for the mutilated corpse idea, DBZ can also be blamed for bringing people back after who-knows-what. Cooler got caught between a sun and his own planet destroying ball attack, and he still came back for more without the dragon balls being used.
Really the truth of the matter is just this: Characters dying tends to not be all that funny or light-hearted in nature. And really the only options would be to go dramatic and serious, or attempt to keep things humourous at the cost of the whole death coming across as flimsy and callous.
And frankly, I have no desire to do either.
Quote from: Brunhidden da Muse on March 26, 2007, 05:35:31 PM
this brings to mind the old arguments the mega-nerds had of wether or not boba fett was dead due to there being no body.
Actually, it comes from a book called "Tales from Jabba's Palace". It's an older book, but depicts Boba crawling out of the Sarlaac with naught but his helmet.
Quote from: Kenji on March 27, 2007, 05:24:44 PM
Actually, it comes from a book called "Tales from Jabba's Palace". It's an older book, but depicts Boba crawling out of the Sarlaac with naught but his helmet.
... just how X-rated -is- this book? :-]
Seeing as how the Sarlaac apparently had fondness for Boba, who can say!
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on March 27, 2007, 06:06:43 PM... just how X-rated -is- this book? :-]
You know, I heard about a tribute film where a guy re-created the scenes from Star Wars using household items. It went downhill after the Sarlacc pit scene.
Quote from: Amber Williams on March 27, 2007, 05:23:01 PM
Really the truth of the matter is just this: Characters dying tends to not be all that funny or light-hearted in nature. And really the only options would be to go dramatic and serious, or attempt to keep things humourous at the cost of the whole death coming across as flimsy and callous.
And frankly, I have no desire to do either.
'A' But... But why, Amber?! Have the popularity of Abel's story not shown you that we adore you when you get the sad face on? When you start plotting, and doing the nice conversations and references and humor, and finding nice new ways to traumatize or torture your characters? Oh, woe...
David Hopkins found one way around the problem, since his comic encompasses the life of his characters and the afterlife, so no one gets killed off as much as simply moves onto another place.
It's proven highly effective to say the least, but then again while she rode a handbasket into it, she's probably not gonna stick around to show us what Hell in Furrae is like.
Honestly? I like having a comic that I can come to when I need a light-hearted chuckle. And I get a lot more happiness out of the idea I've made someone's day happier than I do out of the idea I made someone sad. I've seen a lot of webcomics start off happy and light-hearted only to turn into a dramatic and somber story. And while some people may like it, I personally dont.
While I might go serious from time to time, for the most part, I like doing stuff that makes me happy.
Quote from: Manawolf on March 27, 2007, 08:05:07 PMDavid Hopkins found one way around the problem, since his comic encompasses the life of his characters and the afterlife, so no one gets killed off as much as simply moves onto another place.
Homer did that, too. Achilles, the protagonist of the Iliad, died before the beginning of the Odyssey, but he wrote a scene in which Odysseus goes to Hell and meets Achilles there. So David Hopkins is (A) unoriginal, and (B) in good company.
Quote from: Amber Williams on March 27, 2007, 08:17:13 PM
I like doing stuff that makes me happy.
And that's all the reasoning you will ever need Amber. The second you start doing it for everyone else, becomes the moment it's stopped being yours.
[mutters] Mrrhmm... And what about those of us who enjoy watching a little suffering and dark humor then? Damnit... There was a reason the Greeks invented the tragedies... [flumps back in his armchair and proceeds to find some beautiful such]
No, really. I can understand your reasoning, Amber, and I respect it. But I am nevertheless glad that we have Abel's Story, so that it's not all laughs and shinies. It makes a good complement to the ordinary series for informative purpouses as well. [laughs]
And I wouldn't try with calling any original ancient Greek or Roman author downright unoriginal. They just didn't know all the ropes in some cases. Now, you'll have to look to the Renaissance to find really unoriginal stuff in the true sense of the word, if you ask me.
Quote from: superluser on March 27, 2007, 08:28:25 PM
Quote from: Manawolf on March 27, 2007, 08:05:07 PMDavid Hopkins found one way around the problem, since his comic encompasses the life of his characters and the afterlife, so no one gets killed off as much as simply moves onto another place.
Homer did that, too. Achilles, the protagonist of the Iliad, died before the beginning of the Odyssey, but he wrote a scene in which Odysseus goes to Hell and meets Achilles there. So David Hopkins is (A) unoriginal, and (B) in good company.
::Kills Superluser, banishes soul to the Nine Hells::
Hopkins reincarnates his characters as well, and the Greeks never did go into such lavish detail on the terrain aside from listing the various punishments of the worst sinners.
And to keep things simple and take the pressure off Amber, if you want light hearted humor, read DMFA. If you want drama and death, read Jack. You don't have to choose, people.
Quote from: Manawolf on March 27, 2007, 09:16:50 PM
You don't have to choose, people.
Poppycock!
CHOOSE NOW
Quote from: Amber Williams on March 27, 2007, 09:32:39 PM
Quote from: Manawolf on March 27, 2007, 09:16:50 PM
You don't have to choose, people.
Poppycock!
CHOOSE NOW
um... can I choose the Happy Sweet Amber who isn't about to kill everything that moves?
But they can have the Amber in either comic. She cameoed, after all. Let me find the appropriate picture.
No. No they can't.
CHOOSE NOW!
Can I choose "Penny Arcade"? :<
Quote from: je.saist on March 27, 2007, 09:37:00 PM
Quote from: Amber Williams on March 27, 2007, 09:32:39 PM
Quote from: Manawolf on March 27, 2007, 09:16:50 PM
You don't have to choose, people.
Poppycock!
CHOOSE NOW
um... can I choose the Happy Sweet Amber who isn't about to kill everything that moves?
I second Saist >:
*Hides in a fortified bunker*
Quote from: Amber Williams on March 27, 2007, 09:47:21 PM
No. No they can't.
CHOOSE NOW!
(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b183/FireKatKid/Just%20for%20links/thinking.jpg)
Man, this is a toughy... um... umm.... I....
I choose...
I Choo-Choo-Choose.....
The Dance! (http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b183/FireKatKid/Icons/abelboogie2.gif)
I CHOOSE EVERYTHING D8
I choose..the buuuuutt! *wiggles*
Quote from: Manawolf on March 27, 2007, 09:16:50 PMHopkins reincarnates his characters as well, and the Greeks never did go into such lavish detail on the terrain aside from listing the various punishments of the worst sinners.
I do believe that Æneas got reincarnated, I doubt that Hopkins describes Hell in greater detail than Dante or even Hieronymus Bosch, and they brought back Euripides in The Frogs. (and yes, I know the croaking chorus from the Frogs of Aristophanes. Or at least,
of it)
Quote from: Amber Williams on March 27, 2007, 09:32:39 PMCHOOSE NOW
But I don't like Bill Moyers!
Quote from: superluser on March 27, 2007, 10:03:33 PM
Quote from: Manawolf on March 27, 2007, 09:16:50 PMHopkins reincarnates his characters as well, and the Greeks never did go into such lavish detail on the terrain aside from listing the various punishments of the worst sinners.
I do believe that Æneas got reincarnated, I doubt that Hopkins describes Hell in greater detail than Dante or even Hieronymus Bosch, and they brought back Euripides in The Frogs. (and yes, I know the croaking chorus from the Frogs of Aristophanes. Or at least, of it)
Quote from: Amber Williams on March 27, 2007, 09:32:39 PMCHOOSE NOW
But I don't like Bill Moyers!
Fact of entertainment: Everything has already been done once, SO QUIT BITCHING ABOUT IT!
Quote from: Manawolf on March 27, 2007, 10:39:44 PMFact of entertainment: Everything has already been done once, SO QUIT BITCHING ABOUT IT!
I do believe I said that Hopkins was in good company for copying that stuff.
Don't be hatin :<
Where's the love?
I .... wish for more wishes?
And there's always a way to re-incarnate a character. Just look at Superman. And the X-Files. If they could re-incarnate Agent Spender, then anything's possible.
Wow, did anyone get the license number off that nerd attack that just hit me?
Ummmm Azzy...What color did it look like?
Quote from: Azraelle on March 27, 2007, 11:33:45 PM
I .... wish for more wishes?
And there's always a way to re-incarnate a character. Just look at Superman. And the X-Files. If they could re-incarnate Agent Spender, then anything's possible.
Wow, did anyone get the license number off that nerd attack that just hit me?
It seems a character may only be able to die when everyone forgets all trace of them . Is it now the time for " the rise and and fall of dark pegasus, part 4 " ? Dan may have banished dark pegusus to his grave, by the powers ordained to him when he studied to be a mail order priest . Past studies in these pages show Dan is an Idiot . Who is to tell that he didn't idiotically foul up the banishment of dark pegasus ? And will Regina arise in full glory to radiate her true self to our presence ?
Quote from: Manawolf on March 27, 2007, 09:16:50 PM
Quote from: superluser on March 27, 2007, 08:28:25 PM
Quote from: Manawolf on March 27, 2007, 08:05:07 PMDavid Hopkins found one way around the problem, since his comic encompasses the life of his characters and the afterlife, so no one gets killed off as much as simply moves onto another place.
Homer did that, too. Achilles, the protagonist of the Iliad, died before the beginning of the Odyssey, but he wrote a scene in which Odysseus goes to Hell and meets Achilles there. So David Hopkins is (A) unoriginal, and (B) in good company.
::Kills Superluser, banishes soul to the Nine Hells::
Hopkins reincarnates his characters as well, and the Greeks never did go into such lavish detail on the terrain aside from listing the various punishments of the worst sinners.
And to keep things simple and take the pressure off Amber, if you want light hearted humor, read DMFA. If you want drama and death, read Jack. You don't have to choose, people.
Seriously. And to those few who enjoy both forms of storytelling in their own individual goodness, there's no reason we can't read both. Then there's Abel's Story which is a mesh of shiny kid-friendly art and serious semi-grim storytelling.
Quote from: Amber Williams on March 27, 2007, 09:47:21 PM
No. No they can't.
CHOOSE NOW!
Choose ye this day whom ye will serve! :mwaha
PS: A character is dead if they're named Poochie. ;)
Yet he rose once more to mourn at Scratchy's funeral.
Quote from: Zedd on March 28, 2007, 02:01:45 AM
Ummmm Azzy...What color did it look like?
It was ... Matrix Green! O.o
Quote from: Azraelle on March 28, 2007, 08:11:25 PM
Quote from: Zedd on March 28, 2007, 02:01:45 AM
Ummmm Azzy...What color did it look like?
It was ... Matrix Green! O.o
Damn...You should tooken the blue pill
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on March 26, 2007, 04:44:19 PM
My apologies, I figured the fact that there -was- a road toll was general enough knowledge, and that it took an effect on people (usually fatal) that I wouldn't have to list references.
I meant: There is a road toll. It's fairly well known. If you know a couple hundred people, which is reasonable, chances are there's going to be at least a couple of road deaths in that number.
Rolling those numbers out, across the world, that's a heck of a lot of deaths. That's a heck of a lot of people affected by those deaths.
It's really not -that- uncommon for a young person to die. Not on a global scale, not on a local scale. Not even if you limit it to Western countries.
Is that a little more explicit, Kattucino?
Well considering I had no idea what the term "road toll" was refering too, yeah, I'd say it is. I thought for a minute you were talking about toll roads. But yeah, assuming everyone knows every term out there is a good thing to do in life. You must just love condescending to people. But hey, whatever floats your boat.
Besides, what you say is all fine and good, but if you want to have a convincing argument it's nice to have numbers to back up your statement. Saying it's "uncommon" isn't going to convince me of anything.
Quote from: Amber Williams on March 27, 2007, 09:47:21 PM
No. No they can't.
CHOOSE NOW!
I have no problem dwelling in Hell instead of Furrae, you know. It'd be a good opportunity to hang out with my dad, even if he
did kill me....
Quote from: Kattuccino on March 29, 2007, 12:29:00 AM
Well considering I had no idea what the term "road toll" was refering too, yeah, I'd say it is. I thought for a minute you were talking about toll roads. But yeah, assuming everyone knows every term out there is a good thing to do in life. You must just love condescending to people. But hey, whatever floats your boat.
Apparently, yes.
Quote from: Kattuccino on March 29, 2007, 12:29:00 AM
Besides, what you say is all fine and good, but if you want to have a convincing argument it's nice to have numbers to back up your statement. Saying it's "uncommon" isn't going to convince me of anything.
http://www.driveandstayalive.com/info%20section/statistics/stats-usa_indiv-states_per-capita_2003.htm
.. the 10th link on google for "united states road toll"
Or http://www.statistics.gov.uk/CCI/nscl.asp?ID=8094 or http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Topics/Statistics/Browse/Transport-Travel/PubRoadAcc or http://travel.state.gov/travel/tips/safety/safety_1179.html or http://www.nsc.org/lrs/statinfo/odds.htm
These give varying numbers - estimated 1.17 million deaths/year worldwide, or 48,000 for the US alone for 2003, or, for the city of london, 71 fatal and serious accidents on roads per 100,000 people, and 7.355 million people, giving something over five thousand incidents in 2003 alone.
I, personally, am aware of more than 5 separate incidents involving fatality, or serious injury, on the roads, of people I knew reasonably well. And I'm really not that friendly a guy.
If you only know of one person, consider yourself lucky. :-(
I was a witness to a road accident that took the life of my beloved dog. :<
Quote from: Amber Williams on March 27, 2007, 09:47:21 PM
No. No they can't.
CHOOSE NOW!
I choose you Amber you have been my day and made smile when I go over the comic in my head I laugh the people at looks at me strangely but I don't care It has been lots a laughs from your part that makes my day special.
Ok, a character is dead if he's a cracy admiral on a Terran flagship surrounded by Neosapien warships and the guy sets the self-destruct and blows himself up to destroy the enemy fleet and give humans a fighting chance.
He's dead! He was totally dead and didn't come back! His body was friggin vaporized! :tongue So there!
A character , I feel , is only fully dead , when all trace of him is gone , bodily and mentally . Is that why they always seem to regenerate in the comics, under what could only be called, 'plot convenience' ?
Quote from: Alondro on March 29, 2007, 08:58:13 AM
Ok, a character is dead if he's a cracy admiral on a Terran flagship surrounded by Neosapien warships and the guy sets the self-destruct and blows himself up to destroy the enemy fleet and give humans a fighting chance.
He's dead! He was totally dead and didn't come back! His body was friggin vaporized! :tongue So there!
Yes, until they realize there wasn't enough wreckage from the ship to suggest that all the life boats were still there, meaning one got away before it exploded. Could the admiral have gotten away then, secretly making it just outside of range of the explosion, which instead propelled his life boat through a worm-hole and landing him on a strange planet with sentient plantlife that was able to absorb the radiated life boat remains and construct the admiral a rudimentary, one-way, one-use stargate-type portal to get him back to his home planet five years after his supposed death? *takes deep breath*
See, nothing's impossible.
I feel that a character can die when he / she, is no longer plot - convenient . Plot convience happens a lot in this comic , and I feel that Amber uses it to the full to keep our attention . Plot convenience is a thing that if used properly, give spice to a plot .
If you feel to kill off a character then if it's your story or webcomic etc. Then do it just don't think about it twice.
I'm writing a story as we speak right now and in my head I have two characters will be killed off in a way to save one life.
I know people will be sad after you have gotten to know the character and suddenly killed off. I think of that for the aspect of emotions of the characters themselves and how to react to ones's death.
But I'm not the kind of guy here to tell anybody else not to kill a certain character. That's the artist or writer's discretion of how the story flows and that's why I backed Amber on this because she writes and draws the character's in a funny, happy way with a dash of emotions in the mix.
People in stories who are dead usely have a tomb or a grave and smell really bad. Right Colin?
Colin Mochrie: (http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b99/JauntyHat/thankscolinm.gif)
Super Colin has spoken :3
Quote from: Zedd on March 30, 2007, 07:20:41 AM
People in stories who are dead usely have a tomb or a grave and smell really bad. Right Colin?
Colin Mochrie: (http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b99/JauntyHat/thankscolinm.gif)
Super Colin has spoken :3
Very funny I missed that show.
Just had an idea . Why not just post up a page on the undead for comment . They have their very own island , and the various interesting characters and characteristics could be discussed . Or would this be regarded as reviving a dead subject or room ? Necroism I think it was termed ?