This may be an issue that's already been covered about http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_308.php but...
I would have imagined that prior to those events, Dan probably just figured he was something like an Angel... So I don't see why he'd be so utterly shocked and horrified at his potential longevity, given that they stick around for a bit too, right?
Hmmm...*headwing twiches in displeasement* Nah...Your not worth it...
Random people have wings in that world. deal with it.
Quote from: Manawolf on February 09, 2007, 12:15:48 AM
Random people have wings in that world. deal with it.
Ah, okie, thanks.
Though, if I may ask, given the previous response and the 'deal with it' of your response, I can't help but wonder... did somehow I end up asking what I did in a rude way or somehow otherwise say something locally annoying or offensive? *blinks confused*
Quote from: Psy-Kosh on February 09, 2007, 12:17:58 AM
Though, if I may ask, given the previous response and the 'deal with it' of your response, I can't help but wonder... did somehow I end up asking what I did in a rude way or somehow otherwise say something locally annoying or offensive? *blinks confused*
If your post was offensive and annoying then I probably would have been banned a long time ago >.>
Don't worry about it.
My opinion on why Dan didn't think about it is because... well, it's Dan *Grin*
I dont think you did anything annoying or offensive.
You may have noticed; thinking is not Dan's strong point in any case. :animesweat
we're talking about Dan when Dan is one of the characters before anything in DMFA was coherent, and therefore Dan was most likely based on the appearance of the real Dan, and i'm not sure that if he had wings, he would care if he were some sort of demon or angel or asparagus.
Hm, hm... perhaps it will be seen as bad for me to do this on my second post? :< Well, even if it does, I'ma doing it. Comic 303 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_303.php) clearly tells us that Dan knew he inherited his wings from his mom, but thought that was all there was to it. He knew Destania was a cubi, that's been made clear, but didn't think he'd become one anyways.
I'm so smaht. :)
well even though his mom was a cubi he didn't know alot about them
so it's quite possible he didn't know the intricasies of Cubi genetics
He did mention that his knowlage of cubi extended to if it moves hit it till it stops
Quote from: thegayhare on February 09, 2007, 01:07:41 AMwell even though his mom was a cubi he didn't know alot about them so it's quite possible he didn't know the intricasies of Cubi genetics He did mention that his knowlage of creatures extended to if it moves hit it till it stops
corrected.
Dan's Problem is moreso that he has to come to terms that he is a CUBI... something of which he is in a bit of denial about... because he has a big prejudice about them (that they are all evil, etc...)... I don;t think it is as much as he has head wings, but moreso that (at least at this point) he can't hide the fact that he in a cubi because it is physically apparent to everyone else now.
I mean, dealing with the fact that one's perception of being one race, and finding out that you are really another race is tough enopugh without have new protruding apendages sticking out of your head as well.
... at least that is my interpretation.. but I have a habbit of reading into things a bit too much too. :P
You might find this thread interesting:
http://nice.llearch.net/dmfa_forum3505.htm#ref31
But in this case Dan is being all racist to a clan he only knows that they are evil. I sense here Dan is trying to cope with these things of being a Cubi but there's that nagging thought he worries that one day that his powers will kill his own friends and be that evil Cubi he dosen't want. That is something Dan is fighting not to be Cubi but to be a being. But it dosen't work that way until Amber will give us another arc of Dan's Cubi being trained and controlled at SAIA academy we will not be sure on this outcome.
Quote from: Psy-Kosh on February 09, 2007, 12:17:58 AM
Though, if I may ask, given the previous response and the 'deal with it' of your response, I can't help but wonder... did somehow I end up asking what I did in a rude way or somehow otherwise say something locally annoying or offensive? *blinks confused*
I wouldn't worry about it, were I you. Manawolf is known for being... excessively blunt and outspoken. And easy to irritate.
... Comparatively speaking, anyway. (and not compared to me :-) )
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on February 09, 2007, 01:17:47 AM
Quote from: thegayhare on February 09, 2007, 01:07:41 AMwell even though his mom was a cubi he didn't know alot about them so it's quite possible he didn't know the intricasies of Cubi genetics He did mention that his knowlage of creatures extended to if it moves hit it till it stops
corrected.
You know this is probably just a pet peeve of mine But I've always found tha sort of reply condecending and rude... please don't do it with one of my posts again.
I said Cubi and I ment Cubi
Dan clearly treats other types of creatures differntly His interactions with Demons, mythos, undead, dragons, and fae have all been differnt then his interactions with cubi.
His opinion is probably formed because few of the others have casualy talked about going on rampages.
Plus when dan said the line I used he was talking about cubi
Quote from: thegayhare on February 09, 2007, 08:55:46 AM
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on February 09, 2007, 01:17:47 AM
Quote from: thegayhare on February 09, 2007, 01:07:41 AMwell even though his mom was a cubi he didn't know alot about them so it's quite possible he didn't know the intricasies of Cubi genetics He did mention that his knowlage of creatures extended to if it moves hit it till it stops
corrected.
You know this is probably just a pet peeve of mine But I've always found tha sort of reply condecending and rude... please don't do it with one of my posts again.
I said Cubi and I ment Cubi
Dan clearly treats other types of creatures differntly His interactions with Demons, mythos, undead, dragons, and fae have all been differnt then his interactions with cubi.
His opinion is probably formed because few of the others have casualy talked about going on rampages.
Plus when dan said the line I used he was talking about cubi
But that's why Dan say these things because I think Dan is very worried about going on a rampage and killing one of his friends. If I was in Dan's shoes I will do everything I can to learn my Cubi powers and master them.
Dan is an ADVENTURER... He'd be using that line for EVERYTHING he went on an adventure to kill...
'Sides... Dan's never killed a cubi, a la his promise to Destania, so he's never had the chance to put that into practice for cubi. Therefore, as conceding as rude as that may be (and probably is), it's also accurate.
Quote from: Hawk on February 10, 2007, 02:09:34 AM
'Sides... Dan's never killed a cubi, a la his promise to Destania, so he's never had the chance to put that into practice for cubi. Therefore, as conceding as rude as that may be (and probably is), it's also accurate.
I have this feeling that Dan like it or not he has to embrace his hertiage, and work with the nuances of being a Cubi with the wings, shapeshifting, etc. Knowing Dan he will master them all.
Quote from: ShiningShadow on February 13, 2007, 10:46:35 AM
Quote from: Hawk on February 10, 2007, 02:09:34 AM
'Sides... Dan's never killed a cubi, a la his promise to Destania, so he's never had the chance to put that into practice for cubi. Therefore, as conceding as rude as that may be (and probably is), it's also accurate.
I have this feeling that Dan like it or not he has to embrace his hertiage, and work with the nuances of being a Cubi with the wings, shapeshifting, etc. Knowing Dan he will master them all.
I dunno. I've always drawn a line between accepting something and actually embracing it. And the way I see it, Dan's more likely to shove his fingers into his ears and yelling "CAN'T HEAR YOOUUU!" than to actually master any ability that comes from being a Cubi. He'd learn just enough to keep his powers in check, but I really don't see him wanting to use it anytime soon.
Quote from: Roureem Egas on February 13, 2007, 11:25:51 AMDan's more likely to shove his fingers into his ears and yelling "CAN'T HEAR YOOUUU!" than to actually master any ability that comes from being a Cubi. He'd learn just enough to keep his powers in check, but I really don't see him wanting to use it anytime soon.
Well, except the ``not dying'' thing.
Quote from: superluser on February 13, 2007, 11:27:51 AM
Quote from: Roureem Egas on February 13, 2007, 11:25:51 AMDan's more likely to shove his fingers into his ears and yelling "CAN'T HEAR YOOUUU!" than to actually master any ability that comes from being a Cubi. He'd learn just enough to keep his powers in check, but I really don't see him wanting to use it anytime soon.
Well, except the ``not dying'' thing.
I don't really consider "natural lifespan" to be an a bility. :P The soul-stealing/life-extension thing would be, though.
Quote from: Roureem Egas on February 13, 2007, 11:30:35 AMI don't really consider "natural lifespan" to be an a bility. :P The soul-stealing/life-extension thing would be, though.
What about the ``coming back from the dead thanks to others' emotions'' thing?
Quote from: superluser on February 13, 2007, 11:41:29 AM
What about the ``coming back from the dead thanks to others' emotions'' thing?
Oh right, that. Yeah I consider that an ability, one that's constantly active yet passive. The mini-arc on Cubi powers seems like it's gonna say otherwise though. Meh.
I don't imagine Abel was happy on learning he is a cubi, he seems to have adapted.
Plus if Dan' trick with the head wings is anything to go by, then he'll find some fun things to do with his powers over time.
Further, if nothing else, can lead to an entirely different type of adventuring... As a psychologist.
Bear with me:
See, if Cubi can invade dreams and so on and do the whole soul consuming thing, then maybe they can also, with proper training, do more delicate operations, quite litterally battling someone's inner demons.
Psychology with a Psword? ;)
Oooo.
... wouldn't that put Delna out of a job, though?
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on February 14, 2007, 05:50:49 AM
Oooo.
... wouldn't that put Delna out of a job, though?
More like training successors, given that she's mortal...
Depends on how good he is at it, really. :-)
(http://mufunyo.net/dic/src/1166947253253.gif) Rawr! Planining is like pipework!
Hmmmmm Dan or Abel using the mind skills for the sake of psycology and curing their demons inside their minds i like that.
Quote from: ShiningShadow on February 14, 2007, 07:37:04 AM
Hmmmmm Dan or Abel using the mind skills for the sake of psycology and curing their demons inside their minds i like that.
I've been planning to use something a bit like this in the followup to my CJP story >:3
Can't wait to see how it happens, Tape. Much expectations of you we have, indeed.
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on February 14, 2007, 07:58:22 AM
Can't wait to see how it happens, Tape. Much expectations of you we have, indeed.
No-one seemed to like the end of the Johan Cross arc, but thanks. I've got about four partial chapters of the new series, in fact the first chapter is almost complete, I think. But I need to flesh things out a lot more.
(Should we be discussing
my story in a thread about Amber's? )
Point. Should I merge these into a comment thread in the Tower ? :-)
nah.
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on February 09, 2007, 08:00:18 AM
Quote from: Psy-Kosh on February 09, 2007, 12:17:58 AM
Though, if I may ask, given the previous response and the 'deal with it' of your response, I can't help but wonder... did somehow I end up asking what I did in a rude way or somehow otherwise say something locally annoying or offensive? *blinks confused*
I wouldn't worry about it, were I you. Manawolf is known for being... excessively blunt and outspoken. And easy to irritate.
... Comparatively speaking, anyway. (and not compared to me :-) )
There's a reason I go with the term, "Delivering the Fist of Knowledge into the Face of Ignorance." It's the way I work, and my short temper has led me to such styles of teaching.
In any case, it can be difficult to navigate the inner workings of one's mind, especially as the mind grows older and more complex. I'm reminded of Psychonauts, but maye that's a bad comparison, as many of the minds you dove into in that game weren't the most "structurally sound" so to speak.
It's one thing to be blunt, it's another to come off more rude than Darkmoon.
*significant look*
I don't think that's possible, especially after what he did when Rafe left the forum.
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on February 14, 2007, 05:50:49 AM
Oooo.
... wouldn't that put Delna out of a job, though?
Please remind me again, who's Delna?
Quote from: Tapewolf on February 14, 2007, 07:51:16 AM
Quote from: ShiningShadow on February 14, 2007, 07:37:04 AM
Hmmmmm Dan or Abel using the mind skills for the sake of psycology and curing their demons inside their minds i like that.
I've been planning to use something a bit like this in the followup to my CJP story >:3
CJP story?
Quote from: Psy-Kosh on February 14, 2007, 03:13:07 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on February 14, 2007, 07:51:16 AM
I've been planning to use something a bit like this in the followup to my CJP story >:3
CJP story?
'Chronicles of Jakob Pettersohn'... see my signature for details. I've been trying to keep it as accurate to the DMFA universe as I possibly can (or at least plausibly deniable - you can't prove it didn't happen).
As for Delna, see the Being entry in the Demonology.
http://missmab.com/Demo/being.php - That's her in the illustration, and see also the note at the bottom.
Quote from: Manawolf on February 14, 2007, 02:47:32 PM
There's a reason I go with the term, "Delivering the Fist of Knowledge into the Face of Ignorance." It's the way I work, and my short temper has led me to such styles of teaching.
Hrm.. But how does the Fist of Knowledge stand up to the Sword of Rationality? And on what do you Bayes your claim? (sorry, really bad pun, couldn't help it)
QuoteIn any case, it can be difficult to navigate the inner workings of one's mind, especially as the mind grows older and more complex. I'm reminded of Psychonauts, but maye that's a bad comparison, as many of the minds you dove into in that game weren't the most "structurally sound" so to speak.
But, aren't we already assuming that Cubi have the innate skills, or at least ability plus training methods to do just that navigation? Isn't that implicit in the comic?
Quote from: Tapewolf on February 14, 2007, 03:15:44 PM
Quote from: Psy-Kosh on February 14, 2007, 03:13:07 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on February 14, 2007, 07:51:16 AM
I've been planning to use something a bit like this in the followup to my CJP story >:3
CJP story?
'Chronicles of Jakob Pettersohn'... see my signature for details. I've been trying to keep it as accurate to the DMFA universe as I possibly can (or at least plausibly deniable - you can't prove it didn't happen).
As for Delna, see the Being entry in the Demonology.
http://missmab.com/Demo/being.php - That's her in the illustration, and see also the note at the bottom.
I love it Tw it's awesome I could see either Dan *Nah* Abel definetly to do the job Delna does.
Quote from: Tapewolf on February 14, 2007, 03:15:44 PM
'Chronicles of Jakob Pettersohn'... see my signature for details. I've been trying to keep it as accurate to the DMFA universe as I possibly can (or at least plausibly deniable - you can't prove it didn't happen).
As for Delna, see the Being entry in the Demonology.
http://missmab.com/Demo/being.php - That's her in the illustration, and see also the note at the bottom.
Oh yeah, forgot about her.
And *goes off to peek at your story*
Quote from: Psy-Kosh on February 14, 2007, 03:17:25 PM
Quote from: Manawolf on February 14, 2007, 02:47:32 PM
There's a reason I go with the term, "Delivering the Fist of Knowledge into the Face of Ignorance." It's the way I work, and my short temper has led me to such styles of teaching.
Hrm.. But how does the Fist of Knowledge stand up to the Sword of Rationality? And on what do you Bayes your claim? (sorry, really bad pun, couldn't help it)
QuoteIn any case, it can be difficult to navigate the inner workings of one's mind, especially as the mind grows older and more complex. I'm reminded of Psychonauts, but maye that's a bad comparison, as many of the minds you dove into in that game weren't the most "structurally sound" so to speak.
But, aren't we already assuming that Cubi have the innate skills, or at least ability plus training methods to do just that navigation? Isn't that implicit in the comic?
To be honest, My fist rarely comes across those who bear the sword, as the ignorant are far from rational.
And yes, psychic powers can only go so far, and the idea that ones mind can simply be organized like a maze is thinking along the same lines as anthromorphisizing your deities, you're going with what a human thinks to be the best representation for it..
Quote from: Manawolf on February 14, 2007, 03:34:43 PMAnd yes, psychic powers can only go so far, and the idea that ones mind can simply be organized like a maze is thinking along the same lines as anthromorphisizing your deities, you're going with what a human thinks to be the best representation for it..
But the "organization" would already be done anyways. ie, when invading someone's dreams, you're already right there with whatever internal metaphors they're using for various issues. (Well, that plus a bunch of gobledygook)
In the end, it's up to the author, and Amber may never delve into their mindscapes.
Quote from: Psy-Kosh on February 14, 2007, 03:21:00 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on February 14, 2007, 03:15:44 PM
As for Delna, see the Being entry in the Demonology.
http://missmab.com/Demo/being.php - That's her in the illustration, and see also the note at the bottom.
Oh yeah, forgot about her.
Also strips 206 and 235.