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Title: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: Turnsky on January 29, 2007, 12:36:08 AM
(thunderbirds reference)

poor Abel, sometimes too stubborn to see Fa'Lina's point without marionette visual aid   :P

nice spider-goo hairgel, too.
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: Distracting on January 29, 2007, 12:40:22 AM
Y'know, supposedly a lot of people miss when people are trying to imply something. Fa'Lina implies with puppets.

The spider goo...that must have been a really big spider...
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: Fex on January 29, 2007, 12:43:09 AM
yaay puppets :3 I wonder how much more puppets she has of other people
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: Kenji on January 29, 2007, 12:46:09 AM
Quote from: Fex on January 29, 2007, 12:43:09 AM
yaay puppets :3 I wonder how much more puppets she has of other people

I guess technically infinite, since she could just turn her hand into a hand with the puppe hanging from it. Or something.
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: Manawolf on January 29, 2007, 12:47:41 AM
I think create minor image would suffice.
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: Stygian on January 29, 2007, 12:51:12 AM
Quote from: Turnsky on January 29, 2007, 12:36:08 AM
(thunderbirds reference)

poor Abel, sometimes too stubborn to see Fa'Lina's point without marionette visual aid   :P

nice spider-goo hairgel, too.

Point? What point? Other than ridiculing him, she hasn't said much of value at all as of yet. I'm starting to see a pattern...
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: Zedd on January 29, 2007, 12:52:09 AM
Styling with her puppet fetish no less...
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: Turnsky on January 29, 2007, 01:12:35 AM
Quote from: Stygian on January 29, 2007, 12:51:12 AM
Quote from: Turnsky on January 29, 2007, 12:36:08 AM
(thunderbirds reference)

poor Abel, sometimes too stubborn to see Fa'Lina's point without marionette visual aid   :P

nice spider-goo hairgel, too.

Point? What point? Other than ridiculing him, she hasn't said much of value at all as of yet. I'm starting to see a pattern...

ah, but can she make people seem to see her point without her having to say anything, some sort of self-revelation.

also using puppets to mimic abel might (or might not) make abel see how he's acting.
or Fa'Lina knows where all of Abel's buttons are, and just knows where and how to push them.  >:3
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: bigj on January 29, 2007, 01:18:51 AM
I loved the little face and costume on the puppet!  :mowmeep
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: e_voyager on January 29, 2007, 01:19:47 AM
Falian has me won over but then that happens with you're smart, powerful and have something i want.
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: Manawolf on January 29, 2007, 01:48:58 AM
Funny Scenarios Theater Presents:

::Abel walks back into bar with a bit of spider goo still in hair::

Alexsi: Is that hair gel?
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: Zedd on January 29, 2007, 02:19:07 AM
Quote from: Manawolf on January 29, 2007, 01:48:58 AM
Funny Scenarios Theater Presents:

::Abel walks back into bar with a bit of spider goo still in hair::

Alexsi: Is that hair gel?

Ben Stiller films much?
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: Brunhidden on January 29, 2007, 02:31:25 AM
the real question isnt if thats hair gel, its wether or not that marionette has the prefix 'voodoo' attached to it.

if it does, i want one too. all kindsa things you can use one of those for.

QuoteCowardly dogs bark loudest.
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: The Lurking Dragon on January 29, 2007, 02:38:21 AM
I just love the glare Abel has in the last panel. One of those "If looks could kill...."
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: e_voyager on January 29, 2007, 03:56:01 AM
that can just not in this universe. then again the Gorgon's  look didn't kill like the look form the spirits in the ark of the covenant did it?
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: Feather Dancer on January 29, 2007, 04:21:55 AM
That puppet is sickeningly adorable, I love it.
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: Dard on January 29, 2007, 05:24:43 AM
Waaahh!
The poor spideys!   :cry

At least Fa'Lina didn't take out reference posters...
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: Tycoon on January 29, 2007, 05:40:27 AM
Now that we have the puppets, who will bring the muffins?

Puppets need their muffins too!
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: superluser on January 29, 2007, 06:11:35 AM
I don't like the expression on that puppet.  It's the expression of a puppet that's only gotten one cookie.

Oh, Abel!  It must seem really annoying to see someone using glib, dismissive arguments against you, instead of the other way around.

Now we're at (11/15)?  What happened to (10/15)?
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: Turnsky on January 29, 2007, 06:15:40 AM
Quote from: superluser on January 29, 2007, 06:11:35 AM
Now we're at (11/15)?  What happened to (10/15)?

(10/15) was iced onto a muffin that was devoured quickly by Fa'Lina
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: Feather Dancer on January 29, 2007, 06:25:19 AM
Poor muffin, never stood a chance.
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: Jack McSlay on January 29, 2007, 06:48:20 AM
he must have had a mexican tarantula on his head to make all that mess

I'm surprised fa'lina didn't smack his head on the process


and upgrading from the mow figures, I see...
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: Slipdance on January 29, 2007, 06:50:45 AM
Smashing spiders with newspapers?  Next thing you know, Abel will say that he hates mondays, and Dan will be gobbling lasanga! 

(semi-back, btw. whee~)
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: Mitzi on January 29, 2007, 07:13:32 AM
String Theory?  The Puppetmasters?
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: Narethlian on January 29, 2007, 08:06:55 AM
At least he's not arachnophobic as well as hemophobic. Though seeing him freak out would be fun...

-Nar
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: rt on January 29, 2007, 09:19:43 AM
Ewww goey green spider goo.
Seems DMFA-land has some extra juicy spiders.
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: ShiningShadow on January 29, 2007, 09:22:25 AM
Spder goo makes the best hair stiffing cool. But the puppets are so hilarious that Abel gets so mad so easily.
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: gothtk14 on January 29, 2007, 09:30:29 AM
Quote from: ShiningShadow on January 29, 2007, 09:22:25 AM
Spder goo makes the best hair stiffing cool. But the puppets are so hilarious that Abel gets so mad so easily.

Yep  :giggle
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: Tapewolf on January 29, 2007, 09:38:14 AM
Quote from: rt on January 29, 2007, 09:19:43 AM
Ewww goey green spider goo.
Seems DMFA-land has some extra juicy spiders.
It's the sheer quantity which surprises me.  If they're that big, Abel may have a point in being afraid of them.
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: ShiningShadow on January 29, 2007, 09:40:18 AM
Quote from: Tapewolf on January 29, 2007, 09:38:14 AM
Quote from: rt on January 29, 2007, 09:19:43 AM
Ewww goey green spider goo.
Seems DMFA-land has some extra juicy spiders.
It's the sheer quantity which surprises me.  If they're that big, Abel may have a point in being afraid of them.

Please he's being a baby. I seen my share of large spiders you know what I do to them *SMACK* cornbeef.
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: Aisha deCabre on January 29, 2007, 09:45:36 AM
Considering that the largest spider I've ever seen is a boss in Twilight Princess, I would just love to see the little guys that make THAT goop.   :erk

Gotta love Fa'Lina with her puppets.  At least her way with dealing with whiny children doesn't involve giving them an Incy-bear.  That of course could easily be mistaken for being possessed.   :3
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: Janus Whitefurr on January 29, 2007, 11:09:05 AM
Quote from: Slipdance on January 29, 2007, 06:50:45 AM
(semi-back, btw. whee~)

(!)
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: Aleolus on January 29, 2007, 11:10:33 AM
Once again,  I feel sorry for Abel.  Fa'Lina didn't give him all the information he needed, his hemophobia has been acting up a lot today, and now he has spider-goo in his hair, and marionettes to contend with!  I wouldn't be surprised if he completely cracks within the next ep or two!
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: Sunblink on January 29, 2007, 11:20:46 AM
Ah, return of the puppets. XD Fa'Lina, why must you make me giggle so with your Abel-depreciating antics? Though gah. I've never, ever seen a spider make THAT much goo before in my entire life. Lost Lake must be a haven for mega-freakin'-enormous spideys or something.

This is a wee bit irrelevant, but did Amber make a slight adjustment to Abel's wardrobe? The puppet apparently has gloves, too, that match the boots. Then again, I'm analyzing the puppet too much when it's just around for comedic purposes.

~Keaton the Black Jackal
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: gothtk14 on January 29, 2007, 11:41:16 AM
I got over my fear of spiders when I was 10.
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: RJ on January 29, 2007, 12:04:29 PM
REPOST!  :3

(http://www.furry.org.au/randomjoy/spiderattack.jpg)

(http://www.furry.org.au/randomjoy/spiderbat.jpg)
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: Feather Dancer on January 29, 2007, 12:06:27 PM
I can't help but feel that was Garfield inspired, reminds me so much of his spider incidents :)
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: Roureem Egas on January 29, 2007, 12:07:13 PM
You can be so evil RJ. :dface

The amount of goo that would have resulted from that is likley 100% vomit-inducing.
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: ShiningShadow on January 29, 2007, 12:10:40 PM
I think RJ drawing is funny in a sick and very evil way  >:3 >:3.
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on January 29, 2007, 12:14:03 PM
Quote from: Roureem Egas on January 29, 2007, 12:07:13 PM
You can be so evil RJ. :dface

The amount of goo that would have resulted from that is likley 100% vomit-inducing.

... besides, wasn't it Fa'Lina who was holding the rolled up newspaper (that she brought with her in order to bap the spider that she predicted would be in Abel's hair) ?
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: RJ on January 29, 2007, 12:14:53 PM
(They're old pictures I drew... though I can't remember what for...)

In any case, I'm still amused if only because the spider looks like Domo-kun.
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: Manawolf on January 29, 2007, 12:15:50 PM
Domo-kun kills kittens, and we all know why.
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: ShiningShadow on January 29, 2007, 12:18:37 PM
Why is that again? Anywho as I see it Falina is getting hotter by each time she appears. I have a question was Falina ever was married I have this suspicion that she was and divorced. *Bah* I'm going on like a Fanboy.
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: Angel on January 29, 2007, 12:57:36 PM
HUZZAH! The puppets have returned! If one thing can take my mind off midterms, it's that adorable li'l grouchy Abel puppet. I want one soooo bad....   :3
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: Zedd on January 29, 2007, 01:13:18 PM
Aww well its always nice to see RJ is the poster child of humor
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on January 29, 2007, 01:15:53 PM
I prefer the spider puppet. You know how many people I could scare with a cute l'il spider like that? :-)
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: Tycoon on January 29, 2007, 01:18:04 PM
Does Abel's hemophobia extend to spider blood? Is there really a difference between a spider's blood and some creature/being's blood?

(I am going to assume that the spider goop is blood)
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: Boog on January 29, 2007, 01:23:06 PM
Heh, a battle of two skilled jerks. As usual, the older jerk always wins. Matter of experience and all that.
MUAHAHA! The puppets return!
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: ShiningShadow on January 29, 2007, 01:29:05 PM
I love the puppets so rich in details and fun to watch while initating Abel's voice to boot. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm I wonder what other puppets she has in her possesion.
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: Taerkar on January 29, 2007, 01:36:23 PM
Quote from: Aleolus on January 29, 2007, 11:10:33 AM
Once again,  I feel sorry for Abel.  Fa'Lina didn't give him all the information he needed, his hemophobia has been acting up a lot today, and now he has spider-goo in his hair, and marionettes to contend with!  I wouldn't be surprised if he completely cracks within the next ep or two!

But I don't think the hemophobia is triggered by the spider goo. Maybe because it's green? Or perhaps the 'icky spider goo' response is more powerful than the 'b-b-b-blood' response of his hemophobia.

Plus I doubt that this time the puppets will break him, who knows how long he dealt with them at SAIA.
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on January 29, 2007, 01:59:07 PM
Quote from: Tycoon on January 29, 2007, 01:18:04 PM
Does Abel's hemophobia extend to spider blood? Is there really a difference between a spider's blood and some creature/being's blood?

(I am going to assume that the spider goop is blood)

Spider goop isn't blood, though. It's also internal organs, and the "blood" component isn't exactly haemoglobin related.

Spiders (and other like animals - centipedes, ants, etc) don't have a "circulatory" system, per se, but instead basically keep their organs in a "soup" of sorts. The soup mixture moves oxygen to the organs, and "breathes" through spiracules, or small holes in the skin. Now, this works fine on the micro scale, but not on the macro scale - this is why mammals use blood and shuffle it around using a pump, moving it from "spiracules" (ie, the lungs) to the organs (eg, brain, liver, etc) and muscles.

This is why spiders and ants have an upper limit on their body size - it's the amount of oxygen in the air that limits things. If you go back a few million years, in, IIRC, the early jurassic, the oxygen content was a bit higher, and you had, for example, a 2-foot wingspan dragonfly. (that's Meganeura (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meganeura), if you ask wikipedia)

Interestingly, that article mentions the same size-limiting feature, and also mentions the breathing system...
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: GabrielsThoughts on January 29, 2007, 02:16:27 PM
does anyone besides me see the irony in the fact that Fa'lina isn't using Abel at all so much as manipulating him.
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: Dard on January 29, 2007, 02:21:11 PM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on January 29, 2007, 01:59:07 PMsnip
Or, to make it short: Insect "blood" isn't red because it doesn't transport oxygen.
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on January 29, 2007, 03:01:55 PM
Human blood isn't red because it transports oxygen, either.

Human blood is red because it uses -iron- to transport oxygen, and iron + oxygen makes rust. :-)
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: Kenji on January 29, 2007, 03:12:29 PM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on January 29, 2007, 03:01:55 PM
Human blood isn't red because it transports oxygen, either.

Human blood is red because it uses -iron- to transport oxygen, and iron + oxygen makes rust. :-)

So in reality we are all rustbuckets. Man... I feel all country now. o:
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: Aridas on January 29, 2007, 03:20:33 PM
So that's what happened to the tin man...
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: superluser on January 29, 2007, 03:50:33 PM
Quote from: Aisha deCabre on January 29, 2007, 09:45:36 AMConsidering that the largest spider I've ever seen is a boss in Twilight Princess, I would just love to see the little guys that make THAT goop.

If there were ever a time to link to the camel spider on this forum, it would be now.   Except that I think that pictures of six inch creepy crawlies might be a little too much gross out.  Google is your friend.

As for the hemophobia, it seems to be caused by the brain reacting to an injury.  Since Abel isn't a spider, and he can't see the injury, it shouldn't cause a reaction.
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: Alondro on January 29, 2007, 05:08:49 PM
*Charles looks at the spider goo*  OMG!  They killed Akoshida!  You bastards!

*Charline hah hah hah!*  I'm free!    :mwaha  And as Fa'lina is playing with toys again, I believe it's time for this:

*Fa'lina, playing with puppets, causing the Dan puppet to feel up the Fa'lina puppet!*  Oh Fa'lina!  Your bosom is so big!

*Abel bursts in*  Fa'lina! 

*Fa'lina*  Ack!  Didn't I tell you to knock before you came in!

*Abel*  Sorry!  We've just located Dan!

*Fa'lina*  Oh!  Ok!  Prepare to kidnap him!  Wait...  Did you see anything?

*Abel*  No Ma'am!  I didn't see you playing with your puppets again!  *rushes out and slams door*

;)
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on January 29, 2007, 06:08:29 PM
*rotfl*

Oh, and the camel spider? http://www.buckstix.com/images/spidy.jpg :-)

Not img'd, because I care.


A bit.

A very little bit. :-)
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: Tycoon on January 29, 2007, 06:57:02 PM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on January 29, 2007, 01:59:07 PM
Quote from: Tycoon on January 29, 2007, 01:18:04 PM
Does Abel's hemophobia extend to spider blood? Is there really a difference between a spider's blood and some creature/being's blood?

(I am going to assume that the spider goop is blood)

Spider goop isn't blood, though. It's also internal organs, and the "blood" component isn't exactly haemoglobin related.

Spiders (and other like animals - centipedes, ants, etc) don't have a "circulatory" system, per se, but instead basically keep their organs in a "soup" of sorts. The soup mixture moves oxygen to the organs, and "breathes" through spiracules, or small holes in the skin. Now, this works fine on the micro scale, but not on the macro scale - this is why mammals use blood and shuffle it around using a pump, moving it from "spiracules" (ie, the lungs) to the organs (eg, brain, liver, etc) and muscles.

This is why spiders and ants have an upper limit on their body size - it's the amount of oxygen in the air that limits things. If you go back a few million years, in, IIRC, the early jurassic, the oxygen content was a bit higher, and you had, for example, a 2-foot wingspan dragonfly. (that's Meganeura (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meganeura), if you ask wikipedia)

Interestingly, that article mentions the same size-limiting feature, and also mentions the breathing system...


Thanks for the info.

I just wonder if the Insectis race has a similar internal system to the one that you described. They are insects, after all.
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on January 29, 2007, 07:39:26 PM
"Magic" is the explanation for that one, I think :-)

I'd expect them to have a full blood and lungs system, being basically anthropoid in shape, but big enough to require  a proper breathing system to get enough oxygen to the vital organs...

I'm prepared to be wrong - after all, we're talking a magical world. It could be just about anything - for example, they might have silly-putty as internal organs, with just as much reason behind it :-)
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: Valynth on January 29, 2007, 07:54:13 PM
Abel will freak over any red liquid, but spiders have green.   >:3
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: Kenji on January 29, 2007, 08:01:44 PM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on January 29, 2007, 07:39:26 PM
I'm prepared to be wrong - after all, we're talking a magical world. It could be just about anything - for example, they might have silly-putty as internal organs, with just as much reason behind it :-)

Everytime one becomes an organ donor, doctors can't help but press the organs onto newspaper comics.
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: Valynth on January 29, 2007, 08:07:56 PM
Quote from: Kenji on January 29, 2007, 08:01:44 PM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on January 29, 2007, 07:39:26 PM
I'm prepared to be wrong - after all, we're talking a magical world. It could be just about anything - for example, they might have silly-putty as internal organs, with just as much reason behind it :-)

Everytime one becomes an organ donor, doctors can't help but press the organs onto newspaper comics.

That is SICK and WRONG....I love it!
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: MT Hazard on January 29, 2007, 08:12:27 PM
I don't know if spiders have a similar breathing system to insects but said system limits their size, still there is a beetle big enough to peel bananas.

I wonder if its like in the Discworld where massive animals appear in areas of high magic fields. In the webcomic 'wings of change' some animals need magic to survive, if they run out it damages them as starvation would us.

I'm sure this has been discussed before but where does magic come from in DMFA ? is it produced by creatures? is it naturally drawn in by them?

Oh and most insect actually have clear blood.
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: Akisohida on January 29, 2007, 08:14:15 PM
Nooo! Cousin Ralph! I TOLD you to stay out of sight!

I am NOT dead! *Hugs Charline* See!? I am still make the ebilkitty pass out with a hug!
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: Valynth on January 29, 2007, 08:14:37 PM
To clear confusion:  Spiders have "book lungs", stacks of respritory tissue.
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: Doraion on January 29, 2007, 08:37:07 PM
Ace: Chris get back here!  Aye I told him to not look at the picture of the camel spider...uhhh wait you can make her feint Akisohida?

Doraion:  That's good to know, Chris should face his fear and make a spider taur character in case Charlina's creator chats with Chris on MSN or AIM.  I rather not risk her having more of that cubification serum she got Chris with during that war and get ace with it.  The whole world will be doomed if he joins her side of ebilness.
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: ChaoSynergy on January 30, 2007, 12:32:18 AM
QuoteI'm sure this has been discussed before but where does magic come from in DMFA ? is it produced by creatures? is it naturally drawn in by them?

I like to think of magic as just malleable energy from a pocket dimension...Z-Space if you wish.  It leaks into our world, and permeates it, and those who are naturally attuned to it are able to manipulate it.
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: Azlan on January 30, 2007, 12:37:25 AM
Quote from: ChaoSynergy on January 30, 2007, 12:32:18 AM
QuoteI'm sure this has been discussed before but where does magic come from in DMFA ? is it produced by creatures? is it naturally drawn in by them?

I like to think of magic as just malleable energy from a pocket dimension...Z-Space if you wish.  It leaks into our world, and permeates it, and those who are naturally attuned to it are able to manipulate it.

Sure... and I'm the fourth doctor.  I tend to believe the universe has a finite amount of energy flowing, circulating within a closed system.  The energy is harnessed by those who are able, shaped into what they desire and recycled back into the flow.  Within this process is a certain minute amount of energy degradation that will eventually lead to a negative energy balance.
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: Valynth on January 30, 2007, 01:49:47 AM
...I'll just let the logic of how a closed system can lose energy make your statement vanish in a puff of logic...

Anyway, I wonder if Fa'lina can predict everyone's future(up to the stated point of course) since they were in the academy for a spell (though not enrolled).
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: Magic on January 30, 2007, 03:10:25 AM
Quote"Grrr. I hate when I'm being used."

I love the subtle humour in that.
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: Valynth on January 30, 2007, 03:34:58 AM
subtle?  That was as blunt as the posts Dracula used on a person he absolutely hated(the factual Dracula).
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on January 30, 2007, 04:59:39 AM
You missed the subtle bit, Valynth.

The subtle bit is the implication that Fa'Lina is using him. Leaving us in the dark as to what for, why, and how he knows....
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: Tapewolf on January 30, 2007, 05:35:25 AM
Why has Abel got a bed?
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: Kasarn on January 30, 2007, 06:12:32 AM
I hear talk that beds are soft and comfy.
You don't need another reason.

Of course, he could have gotten a giant teddy bear... but Mab probably already had one and he didn't want to copy :E
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: Tapewolf on January 30, 2007, 06:36:24 AM
Quote from: Kasarn on January 30, 2007, 06:12:32 AM
I hear talk that beds are soft and comfy.
You don't need another reason.

A sofa is fine for that, it takes up less space and depending on the design, you can sometimes hide under them too  >:3
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: Stig Hemmer on January 30, 2007, 06:53:09 AM
Quote from: Tapewolf on January 30, 2007, 05:35:25 AM
Why has Abel got a bed?
In case Jyrras comes to visit? :3
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: Kasarn on January 30, 2007, 07:10:06 AM
Quote from: Stig Hemmer on January 30, 2007, 06:53:09 AM
Quote from: Tapewolf on January 30, 2007, 05:35:25 AM
Why has Abel got a bed?
In case Jyrras comes to visit? :3
PILLOW FIGHT! :)

Of course, then Alexsi will be all like, "You wrecked all the pillows, so you can replace them as well!"
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: AndersW on January 30, 2007, 08:33:47 AM
Quote from: Tapewolf on January 30, 2007, 05:35:25 AM
Why has Abel got a bed?
I think it is because, at SAIA there were enough emotions that cubi didn't have to sleep.  But now that Abel is away from SAIA he will need to sleep, so Abel has a bed to sleep in.
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: Tapewolf on January 30, 2007, 09:00:06 AM
Quote from: AndersW on January 30, 2007, 08:33:47 AM
Quote from: Tapewolf on January 30, 2007, 05:35:25 AM
Why has Abel got a bed?
I think it is because, at SAIA there were enough emotions that cubi didn't have to sleep.  But now that Abel is away from SAIA he will need to sleep, so Abel has a bed to sleep in.

Actually, Dan appears to be losing the ability to sleep before he went to SAIA (e.g. "My Wings Just Made Me Coffee!")  Aary didn't need it much either while she was around.  Remember her sitting on the windowsill while Merlitz slept?

As for SAIA, that's actually one of the things I don't really understand.  Where does the energy come from?

Say we have Dan and Abel living in the middle of the desert through some strange quirk of fate.  What does Abel feed on?  If he feeds on Dan's emotions, where does Dan get the energy to radiate them from?
They can't both feed on each other, because ultimately you need an energy input, especially if you go around casting spells all over the place as the students will during their studies.
Beings I can accept, but SAIA doesn't seem to have all that many of them (Only 5% need to eat and that probably includes other guest Creatures like the aquatic Mythos).

It's not just a matter of scientific correctness, either.  If you can get energy from nothing, it breaks all sorts of character drives and plot details.  :<

One possibility is that the energy IS being recirculated among the 'cubi but they have enough Beings in the Academy to replenish the supply as it is used up by spells and natural wastage.
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: superluser on January 30, 2007, 09:02:30 AM
Quote from: Azlan on January 30, 2007, 12:37:25 AMI tend to believe the universe has a finite amount of energy flowing, circulating within a closed system.  The energy is harnessed by those who are able, shaped into what they desire and recycled back into the flow.

Well, that's just the first law of thermodynamics.

Quote from: Azlan on January 30, 2007, 12:37:25 AMWithin this process is a certain minute amount of energy degradation that will eventually lead to a negative energy balance.

And this is just the second law of...waitaminnit, that's not how entropy works!

Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on January 30, 2007, 04:59:39 AMThe subtle bit is the implication that Fa'Lina is using him. Leaving us in the dark as to what for, why, and how he knows....

I think his point was that that wasn't exactly subtle.

At least, it didn't seem terribly subtle to me.

Quote from: Tapewolf on January 30, 2007, 05:35:25 AMWhy has Abel got a bed?

Who says it's Abel's bed?  Dan and the Basement Rats also live down there.
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: gothtk14 on January 30, 2007, 09:13:10 AM
Those all seem to be good points to me.
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: Tapewolf on January 30, 2007, 09:26:24 AM
Quote from: superluser on January 30, 2007, 09:02:30 AM
Quote from: Tapewolf on January 30, 2007, 05:35:25 AMWhy has Abel got a bed?

Who says it's Abel's bed?  Dan and the Basement Rats also live down there.

Because it's in Abel's room, and he's gone to the trouble of getting green fitted sheets for it.  (See also #609 - note the green spots on the wall... consistency FTW)

Dan's room is blue.  Now I can see him wanting something to lie on (I often lie on bed when I'm reading) but a sofa takes up less space, as I say.  If I suddenly lost the need to sleep tomorrow, I certainly wouldn't go to the effort of taking the bed with me when I move  >:3
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: superluser on January 30, 2007, 10:02:54 AM
Quote from: Tapewolf on January 30, 2007, 09:26:24 AMBecause it's in Abel's room, and he's gone to the trouble of getting green fitted sheets for it.  (See also #609 - note the green spots on the wall... consistency FTW)

You're right about that (Abel repainted prior to 601, but Dan's room is blue in 689), but there are still the Basement Rats.  They do have a habit of buying things for the basement (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_319.php).

As for getting green fitted sheets, do you really think that Abel would keep the sheets if they clashed?  Also, do note that green was already a color in the basement, and getting a sofa reupholstered is going to be difficult, even for an incubus.
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: Tapewolf on January 30, 2007, 10:17:58 AM
Quote from: superluser on January 30, 2007, 10:02:54 AM
You're right about that (Abel repainted prior to 601, but Dan's room is blue in 689), but there are still the Basement Rats.  They do have a habit of buying things for the basement (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_319.php).

Granted.

Quote
As for getting green fitted sheets, do you really think that Abel would keep the sheets if they clashed?

Hell, no.  In #600 he's doing the sheets for Dan, and that's kind of the point.  He's changed the sheets on the bed so they don't clash, but it would have been more practical for him to just move it into one of the other basement rooms or possibly some kind of hyperrealm if they've used them all up by now.

Yet for some reason he's kept it, and I'm curious as to why.

QuoteAlso, do note that green was already a color in the basement, and getting a sofa reupholstered is going to be difficult, even for an incubus. 

On the other hand, since he's gone for green and the rats aren't even supposed to be down there, nicking the sofa would have been an ideal match >:3

Of course one reason might be that keeping the bed there is a visual cue so you know that we're in his bedroom...

Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: superluser on January 30, 2007, 10:48:19 AM
Quote from: Tapewolf on January 30, 2007, 10:17:58 AMHell, no.  In #600 he's doing the sheets for Dan, and that's kind of the point.  He's changed the sheets on the bed so they don't clash, but it would have been more practical for him to just move it into one of the other basement rooms or possibly some kind of hyperrealm if they've used them all up by now.

New theory!

It's Dee and Ed's bed.  After Ed goes missing, and Dee goes to find him, Alexsi maintains their room for a while, but eventually comes to the realization that they're probably not coming back anytime soon, so she might as well use the room for boarders.  She has been known to do this.

But what to do about the bed?  Would you want some strangers sleeping in your parents' bed?  But if she sells it, she has to buy a new one when they come back, so she just stores it downstairs.

And it's much easier to keep a bed than to move it out.  Plus, as you say, it's a place to recline while reading/studying/whatever when the basement rats are hogging the couch.  And Alexsi probably told Abel that if he moved the bed, Bad Things would happen to him.
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: Valynth on January 30, 2007, 11:11:24 AM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on January 30, 2007, 04:59:39 AM
You missed the subtle bit, Valynth.

The subtle bit is the implication that Fa'Lina is using him. Leaving us in the dark as to what for, why, and how he knows....

...And you repeat what I already know...why?  Seriously, it wasn't subtle, not even in the slightest.  For a comic maybe, but I'm used to analyzing literature and I'll tell you compared to that, this is child's play.
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: Tapewolf on January 30, 2007, 11:21:31 AM
Quote from: superluser on January 30, 2007, 10:48:19 AM
It's Dee and Ed's bed.  After Ed goes missing, and Dee goes to find him, Alexsi maintains their room for a while, but eventually comes to the realization that they're probably not coming back anytime soon, so she might as well use the room for boarders.  She has been known to do this.

I think she's still got it for herself.  See 378 - it's got the Cyra Clan logo in it, so it's probably an heirloom of Destania's.  Why she has a bed is kind of repeating the same question, although I'm sure it proved useful in siring Dan.  We won't go there.

QuoteBut what to do about the bed?  Would you want some strangers sleeping in your parents' bed?  But if she sells it, she has to buy a new one when they come back, so she just stores it downstairs.
And Alexsi probably told Abel that if he moved the bed, Bad Things would happen to him.

Unless he's got the last room in the basement, that would be a good reason for Alexsi not to have given him the room at all.

Somehow I'm reminded of the Bed song in Hair, which lists about two dozen uses for beds which don't include sleeping.  I'd post the lyrics but being very much a Summer-of-Love thing it probably breaks PG.  (One of the other songs in the musical definitely does - even giving the title would  :erk)
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: ShiningShadow on January 30, 2007, 02:45:07 PM
I think the bed Abel bought it beacuse he was getting sleepy and need something to lie upon. It's that simple no scientific explanation or what not.
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: Distracting on January 30, 2007, 02:49:59 PM
Personally, I think the lighting in the room is just bad, so it's making the room seem a little off color.
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: ShiningShadow on January 30, 2007, 02:51:48 PM
You think? proper lighting give the room the proper effect and colors to stand out.
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: Tapewolf on January 30, 2007, 02:53:28 PM
Quote from: ShiningShadow on January 30, 2007, 02:45:07 PM
I think the bed Abel bought it beacuse he was getting sleepy and need something to lie upon. It's that simple no scientific explanation or what not.

Apart from the very basic snag that 'cubi don't need to sleep, hence my original question  >:3
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: Valynth on January 30, 2007, 02:55:48 PM
Quote from: ShiningShadow on January 30, 2007, 02:45:07 PM
I think the bed Abel bought it beacuse he was getting sleepy and need something to lie upon. It's that simple no scientific explanation or what not.

uh, 'cubi don't sleep (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_540.php).  Odds are he has it for ahem, other reasons.
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: ShiningShadow on January 30, 2007, 02:57:39 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on January 30, 2007, 02:53:28 PM
Quote from: ShiningShadow on January 30, 2007, 02:45:07 PM
I think the bed Abel bought it beacuse he was getting sleepy and need something to lie upon. It's that simple no scientific explanation or what not.

Apart from the very basic snag that 'cubi don't need to sleep, hence my original question  >:3

But Tw does the rules apply when Falina left SAIA her ability to predict the future is fading? That goes for the same of Abel losing the magic ability to stay up and not sleep I think the whole SAIA Academy is one magic booster for all cubi if they stay on the grounds. That's what I have got from what all of you saying about this.
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: superluser on January 30, 2007, 03:28:51 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on January 30, 2007, 11:21:31 AMI think she's still got it for herself.  See 378 - it's got the Cyra Clan logo in it, so it's probably an heirloom of Destania's.  Why she has a bed is kind of repeating the same question, although I'm sure it proved useful in siring Dan.

Well, what about when she was recuperating from the attack?  I'll bet that Edward used a bed, too.  I'll also bet that Edward said at some point, ``Come to bed, you darned fool!  I can't sleep with you pacing around like that!''

This then brings up the question of what to do with Alexsi's bed.  Maybe that's the one downstairs.

Quote from: Tapewolf on January 30, 2007, 11:21:31 AMUnless he's got the last room in the basement, that would be a good reason for Alexsi not to have given him the room at all.

I had been running on the assumption that there was just one big room down there, but there appear to be three: Dan's room, Abel's room and a hall/foyer.  Since there are large cracks in the wall and sizable spiders and rats down there, I suspect that the only things furnished down there are rooms where furniture has migrated for storage.  I'll bet it's just the two rooms, the hall/foyer, and maybe a room for the boiler.  Alexsi would not put Abel anywhere near the boiler.
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: Tapewolf on January 30, 2007, 03:36:51 PM
Quote from: superluser on January 30, 2007, 03:28:51 PM
I had been running on the assumption that there was just one big room down there, but there appear to be three: Dan's room, Abel's room and a hall/foyer.

Amber described it as a series of unused rooms which are mostly used for storage but can be brought into full use if need be.  If I can find the post, it would be handy for the Lost Lake Inn article on the wiki.
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: Tiger_T on January 30, 2007, 03:42:27 PM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on January 29, 2007, 06:08:29 PM
*rotfl*

Oh, and the camel spider? http://www.buckstix.com/images/spidy.jpg :-)

Not img'd, because I care.


A bit.

A very little bit. :-)

Snopes to the rescue:
http://www.snopes.com/photos/bugs/camelspider.asp


Back on the drifted topic:

Abel had a bed at SAIA. Why shouldn't he have one at Lost Lake. (Whatever he might use it for.)
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: Kenji on January 30, 2007, 03:43:56 PM
Quote from: Tiger_T on January 30, 2007, 03:42:27 PM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on January 29, 2007, 06:08:29 PM
*rotfl*

Oh, and the camel spider? http://www.buckstix.com/images/spidy.jpg :-)

Not img'd, because I care.


A bit.

A very little bit. :-)

Snopes to the rescue:
http://www.snopes.com/photos/bugs/camelspider.asp


Back on the drifted topic:

Abel had a bed at SAIA. Why shouldn't he have one at Lost Lake. (Whatever he might use it for.)

Two reasons:
1) Hiding under the covers from monsters
2) Making pillow forts!
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: Tiger_T on January 30, 2007, 03:51:41 PM
That aren't reasons to not have a bed.  :mowtongue :rolleyes
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: Kenji on January 30, 2007, 03:52:22 PM
Says you.  :januscat
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: Tiger_T on January 30, 2007, 03:57:29 PM
I don't think you haven't got the negations mixed up.  :P
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: Kenji on January 30, 2007, 03:59:29 PM
Yeah? Well jokes on you. I just don't think.  :trooper
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: Zedd on January 30, 2007, 06:17:17 PM
I got it!

A) There would be a high focus of energys from under the floorboards of my room!!

B) Fa'Lina has a underground sugar mine!

C) Something is makign alot racket down there...Most likey a Jai alai court
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: ShiningShadow on January 31, 2007, 08:17:05 AM
Or

1. My school is part of SAIA academy and we are ready to attack the Dragons

2. My cookie jar has unlimited amount of magic I give it away at no cost to you.

3. The puppets are planning to overthrow the government.
Title: Re: 1/29/07 - Shown in Supermarionation!
Post by: gothtk14 on February 02, 2007, 09:11:48 AM
How about this:

Just lock the door and put a spell on it to keep her out.
Then cast a spell to get rid of the spiders.