Ack! Looks like something either survived, or there's more then one thing that's not too happy!
well theres more then one of them Devin even said so
:) Shouldn't the second gun man be on the grassy knowl :)
and definatley a cool magic-lightning-tornado thingamubob!
I rather like the "K-Chunk" typeface.
I think abel acts too much like a girl in a horror movie.
Well could ya blame cookies and creme?
it's had to believe that the calm calculating able we all know was once like that.
Quote from: e_voyager on December 15, 2006, 11:42:58 PMit's had to believe that the calm calculating able we all know was once like that.
Abel, calm, and calculating are not words that I would typically associate with each other. When he's in his comfort zone, maybe, but otherwise, he tends to be something like ``the offspring of Stan Laurel and Woody Allen,'' as I've suggested before.
Also, `50 seconds' seems unusually precise. I think Devin may actually be estimating the actual time, based on the size of the cart and other variables, rather than just pulling a number out of his ass.
*Looks at second attack's color* Ahhh :U Kamikaze Warp-Aci! :giggle
Look at the tail. (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_423.php)
Quote from: GabrielsThoughts on December 15, 2006, 11:28:55 PM
I think abel acts too much like a girl in a horror movie.
Of course he is. He just saw someone he just met die before his eyes, is having an unknown assailant trying to kill him, and to top it all off, this is the first time this has happened to him. Remember, this was before desensitizing video games. :mwaha
Oh man o.o Poor Abel, I definitely wouldn't expect him to be too brave after all he's seen and been through.
It will be interesting to see who the assailants are...
It would appear that Abel is being put under extreme stress...
It will be interesting to see him snap. My money is that he'll explode under the pressure, but, he could always implode and just curl into a fetal position...
I so hope we get to see Abel in action. >:3
Devin on Abel action maybe...
What Survivors sex is just as real as survivor guilt
Quote from: Cogidubnus on December 16, 2006, 12:43:43 AMMy money is that he'll explode under the pressure, but, he could always implode and just curl into a fetal position...
I so hope we get to see Abel in action. >:3
See, I'd prefer to see Abel curl up into the fetal position.
It's kinda like empty humor calories. It never gets old.
Abel at his young age is like your everyday average teenager. It's not until he becomes a SAIA student and seen horiffic horrors that he becomes hardned enought to defend himself in a life or death situation.
but still his reaction is perfectly normal
exactly at this point in his life he's just a libriarian.
he's not used to the imediate therat of death like this
Quote from: thegayhare on December 16, 2006, 01:40:48 AM
exactly at this point in his life he's just a libriarian.
he's not used to the imediate therat of death like this
Actually there afe a few librarians that deal with death on a nearly regular basis.
for instance the secret library that houses the world's more dnagerous treasures.
the libraries in Queens and Chicago
i have no clue were you cam up with them but hey some knowledge must be protected at all cost.
Quote from: Madmann135 on December 16, 2006, 02:05:22 AMActually there afe a few librarians that deal with death on a nearly regular basis.
But usually they need a banana for encouragement.
Ook?
actualy that libriarian is more likely to deal out death... or atleast a sever beating or a head twisted the wrong way
Quote from: thegayhare on December 16, 2006, 02:38:39 AMactualy that libriarian is more likely to deal out death... or atleast a sever beating or a head twisted the wrong way
He is, however, not likely to leave the library without some prodding. Remember Sourcery?
I'm sure it's been done before, but what's the general consensus of who would win in a fight between the SAIA librarian and the UU librarian? (My money's on the UU.)
Considering I'm not sure who UU is...and what inside knowledge I know of the SAIA librarian...I'd say its a stalemate and two incompatable universes.
Quote from: Amber Panyko on December 16, 2006, 02:54:32 AMConsidering I'm not sure who UU is...and what inside knowledge I know of the SAIA librarian...I'd say its a stalemate and two incompatable universes.
Unseen University (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unseen_University). The premier school of Wizardry on Terry Pratchett's Discworld. The Librarian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Librarian_%28Discworld%29) there was once a human, but was changed into an orangutan, and has resisted all attempts to change him back.
I don't mean to drag this further off-topic, but I would have figured that this would have come up before.
Quote from: Shadrok on December 16, 2006, 12:05:34 AM
*Looks at second attack's color* Ahhh :U Kamikaze Warp-Aci! :giggle
Look at the tail. (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_423.php)
... you might be on to something :o
I mean.. coloring the same.. it looks like it has a tail.. and if its Abel's... 'teenage years' then I have come to a conclusion..
What if its the 'cubi institute coming for Abel :U
Maybe not... its a possibility.. I think... err.. no.. maybe.. could be I'M SO CONFUSED!
Nice effects non the less..
and if it isn't my theory, then I wonder who is trying to attack them.. O.o
And how did we end up on a conversation about librarians anyway! :3
Wrong.
It's Piccolo!
(http://www.shakytable.com/wp-images/attaque_makenkossapo.jpg)
I don't know about the Warp-Aci theory. Aci don't seem to act independently. They've always seemed to be sort of like the relay operator for the deaf, where they're not really acting of their own volition, just following orders. If there's a third creature controlling the Warp-Aci, I could see it.
Quote from: Tait-Fox on December 16, 2006, 03:07:12 AMWhat if its the 'cubi institute coming for Abel :U
Yeah! Maybe Aaryanna was sent to pick up Abel!
Quote from: Tait-Fox on December 16, 2006, 03:07:12 AMAnd how did we end up on a conversation about librarians anyway! :3
TGH said that Abel was ``just a librarian,'' and ``not used to the imediate therat of death.'' We were coming up with librarians that did deal with death on a regular basis. (Ooh! Conan the Librarian?)
Quote from: superluser on December 16, 2006, 03:28:09 AM
Quote from: Tait-Fox on December 16, 2006, 03:07:12 AMAnd how did we end up on a conversation about librarians anyway! :3
TGH said that Abel was ``just a librarian,'' and ``not used to the imediate therat of death.'' We were coming up with librarians that did deal with death on a regular basis. (Ooh! Conan the Librarian?)
reminds me of the ogre in the book Roc and a hard place. can he pound the civilization out of any being with two heavy tomes that he carries around?
Quote from: Netami on December 16, 2006, 03:16:30 AM
Wrong.
It's Piccolo!
(http://www.shakytable.com/wp-images/attaque_makenkossapo.jpg)
PICCOLO! *shakes fist*
That beats what it reminded me of, that being the Soul Lance spell from Dungeon Siege II
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v447/Kasarn/mess/ds2-soul_lance.jpg)
...IT ALSO REMINDED ME OF A GENERIC MAGIC EFFECT
Quote from: superluser on December 16, 2006, 03:28:09 AM
I don't know about the Warp-Aci theory. Aci don't seem to act independently. They've always seemed to be sort of like the relay operator for the deaf, where they're not really acting of their own volition, just following orders. If there's a third creature controlling the Warp-Aci, I could see it.
Warp-Aci can act independently.
Quote from: Demonology 101While most Warp-Aci automatically return to their realm upon their owner's death, some will simply become free-ranging Aci. This freedom is both exciting and terrifying and many Warp-Aci cannot handle the stress of not having an owner.
I do, however, find it unlikely that it is a Warp-Aci at all. Most Warp-Aci are not that strong and the glow seems to come from the spiral, not the black line.
Piccolo is over 9000!
hehe, on topic..
I'm really feeling for both Abel and Devin.. we know Abel will get out alive.. but i'm worried for Devin.. :'(
Quote from: Netami on December 16, 2006, 03:16:30 AMWrong.
It's Piccolo!
makankousappo!!!
hmm could also be a railgun spell
(http://www.musashionline.com/graphics/railgun.jpg)
Quote from: Madmann135 on December 16, 2006, 01:30:32 AM
Abel at his young age is like your everyday average teenager. It's not until he becomes a SAIA student and seen horrific horrors that he becomes hardend enough to defend himself in a life or death situation.
Actually he's around 23. In a medieval human society you're considered a full adult at a considerably younger age than 16 or 18 - most people don't reach 40, after all. In that case he should have been battle-trained from 10 as Dan seems to have been, and public executions would have been considered a high form of entertainment so he would have been no stranger to death.
Growing up in Zinvth seems to have given him more of a present-day outlook and softened him - contrast with Devin.
Quote from: Tapewolf on December 16, 2006, 05:41:39 AM
Quote from: Madmann135 on December 16, 2006, 01:30:32 AM
Abel at his young age is like your everyday average teenager. It's not until he becomes a SAIA student and seen horrific horrors that he becomes hardend enough to defend himself in a life or death situation.
Actually he's around 23. In a medieval human society you're considered a full adult at a considerably younger age than 16 or 18 - most people don't reach 40, after all. In that case he should have been battle-trained from 10 as Dan seems to have been, and public executions would have been considered a high form of entertainment so he would have been no stranger to death.
Growing up in Zinvth seems to have given him more of a present-day outlook and softened him - contrast with Devin.
Furrae (past or present) ≠ Human medieval society. What happened in our history has no bearing on Amber's completely fictional (and governed by her own creativity) world. Move along.
Quote from: Janus Whitefurr on December 16, 2006, 07:39:34 AM
Furrae (past or present) ≠ Human medieval society. What happened in our history has no bearing on Amber's completely fictional (and governed by her own creativity) world. Move along.
If you have a better model to extrapolate from, I'd like to hear it.
Quote from: superluser on December 16, 2006, 03:28:09 AM
TGH said that Abel was ``just a librarian,'' and ``not used to the imediate therat of death.'' We were coming up with librarians that did deal with death on a regular basis. (Ooh! Conan the Librarian?)
Fine for overdue books:
1 day - shave.
2 days - close shave.
3 days - decapitation.
*grin*
Quote from: Janus Whitefurr on December 16, 2006, 07:39:34 AM
Furrae (past or present) ≠ Human medieval society. What happened in our history has no bearing on Amber's completely fictional (and governed by her own creativity) world. Move along.
The problem, Janus, is that, at present, we don't have a better model.
I'm sure Tapewolf is aware of the lack of corroborating evidence. I know -I- am. However, until we find something that breaks the link, the best guess we have is simply the already known history.
Of course, we -do- need to keep in mind that it's just a guess. And revisit it after each new speck of knowledge that appears. :-)
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on December 16, 2006, 08:34:45 AM
The problem, Janus, is that, at present, we don't have a better model.
I'm sure Tapewolf is aware of the lack of corroborating evidence. I know -I- am. However, until we find something that breaks the link, the best guess we have is simply the already known history.
Lessee:
Dan quit being an adventurer at 24. Most adventurers die long before then, even in present-day Furrae - that's from his bio. Unless the normal career plan for an adventurer is to start training at 16 and die on their first outing, they must have started training around 10 or 12. David Gemmell's pseudo-medieval universe does this. The UK does this
now with some kind of young cadet scheme for the airforce although I can't remember it's name so finding the joining age is tricky.
In the DvP arc, Dan said that he last visited the realm of Hollyann "long ago" or "a few years ago". 6? 8? 10? If he was a hotshot adventurer as seems likely, the idea of a 16-year old Dan taking on Dark Pegasus makes a certain amount of sense - if adventurers have a shorter childhood.
I don't know if Furrae in some backwater 400 years ago practised public execution, but the UK only stopped it some 140 years ago and France had it until 1940. Given that most Furrae we've seen are of predator descent I would be most greatly surprised if the ethical standards in Abel's village then match ours
now while they're running around with swords, longbows and wooden carts.
That was the other part of my point - Zinvth is more like a modern city and probably doesn't go in for that sort of stuff. That's where Abel's been living since he was about 6, and while Devin appears to have lived in something akin to a medieval village, Abel had an experience far closer to ours so it's only to be expected that he's going to have problems when suddenly thrust 'back into the past' as it were.
Quote from: Tapewolf on December 16, 2006, 05:41:39 AMActually he's around 23. In a medieval human society you're considered a full adult at a considerably younger age than 16 or 18 - most people don't reach 40, after all.
He's 24, unless he had a birthday between when he learned about Cindy's death and the funeral.
Life expectancy is a good question. If Abel's arc is based on 16th century Europe, then that would be about right.
The adventurer idiom, however, is itself based on medieval romantic literature like the Percival stories or El Cid or Amadis of Gaul. We know from Don Quixote that by the actual, real-life 17th century, knight-errantry had been defunct for so long that it was the subject of ridicule.
so ``present day'' at Lost Lake should be set in at least the analogue of 16th century Europe, which pushes Abel's arc back to the 12th century.
That means that most people, in ``present day,'' would probably have a life expectancy of around 40. Which would mean that you should probably start your adventurer training at around 10, yada yada...
Quote from: Tapewolf on December 16, 2006, 05:41:39 AMpublic executions would have been considered a high form of entertainment so he would have been no stranger to death.
Death as a spectacle often serves to further estrange the observer from death. When you've got hooded pickpockets lined up on the gallows, it can sometimes be hard to recognize that these are actual people dying.
On the other hand, he would have probably seen many of his friends die of the flu, food poisoning, parasites, and often the `cures' for such ailments.
I wonder how the others are doing...
I don't think Glory and crew are just sitting around either.
*Charline hee hee!* Oooo! I wish I could be watching the whole battle! It looks like so much fun! And as long as we're doing silly speculations, I think it must be a Castor shell. It's probably the Outlaw Star guy who thinks all the furry critters are part of the Tao Pirates and so he's gonna blast all of them, which is why humans will be a terrifying legend in the present day DMFA! :boogie
*Charles erms* She got into the catnip schnapz again. :erk
dunno how many similarities DMFA has with the real world, but I don't think the medieval age expectancy applies. that happened because of poor medicine knowledge, while DMFA have had healing magig going on for years, so it's likely the people on DMFA haven't had shorter average lifespans in its past.
The average lifespan of beings in Abel's Story is a lot higher than the average lifespan of the human midde-ages. Just because there is a gap between societies doesn't mean one side is going to shirk thousands of years of medicinal practices and hygiene.
I should forwarn that your speculations are coming dangerously close to nit-picky. In the same way that I'm not an expert of glass-technology and the historic significance of stainglass vs sheet glass (and also the difficulty in drawing the difference), I'm also not a full-expert on the various upbringing methods enforced in Middle-age times. While I have a general idea of what is going down...odds are its not going to synch up with anything historically accurate in our time.
DMFA has a few similarities to our world...but by no means is it a perfect duplicate of our society. And while the temptation to compare the two is understandable and there...odds are its going to end up dissapointing than enlightening.
Quote from: Amber Panyko on December 16, 2006, 02:59:23 PM
DMFA has a few similarities to our world...but by no means is it a perfect duplicate of our society. And while the temptation to compare the two is understandable and there...odds are its going to end up dissapointing than enlightening.
.. you make it sound like we're going to be disappointed when it turns out we're utterly wrong, rather than, well, amused and enlightened...
We're kicking ideas around. I don't think anyone has any huge emotive attachement to their ideas. At least, I hope not. I know I don't...
So... is Amber saying the citizens of furcadia chose to invent fiberglass, and aluminum over developing projectile weapons beyond the bow and arrow?
No, she's saying "Mwehehublahafegergh! You! People! Stop with the pointless criticism and get with the imagination!"
And I agree with her. Seeing as how Furrae has existed for a long time, and people seem to re-invent and rediscover technology all the time, it could all be perfectly logical... in a fashion.
And is it normal for Charline to be that cute? *oogles her with an off expression*
A little pain never hurt anybody.
much
:B
I agree with the few people that think the thing that impacted that part of the wagon was a Warp-aci...*I'm kinda looking at it from a certain point of view*...the Warp-aci could have been spinning, so that's why it looked like the purple streak was swirling...
just saying it's a possibility (*to Amber: I won't brag about it if it's true...*)
Quote from: Janus Whitefurr on December 16, 2006, 07:39:34 AM
Furrae (past or present) ≠ Human medieval society. What happened in our history has no bearing on Amber's completely fictional (and governed by her own creativity) world. Move along.
Here here! That and commentary here does not equal definitive, historically accurate information that can be published upon any topic credibly. There are rare instances.
Actually, it's quite possible for them to miss firearms as a weapon. Europeans did not invent gunpowder. It was invented by the Chinese who didn't think to use it in that fashion. Europeans simply found a new and devastatingly effective way to use it.
If this trade doesn't occur, there are no guns. But the rest of technology marches on.
As for comparing to time periods, it would make more sense to ask, "What would Amber put in?" She seems to favor the RPG mix of swords and guns.
As Amber said before
There was no real motive for them to invent certain things since magic was so reddily avalible. Look at Devin in the recent comic. He defeated his opponent with one shot. It would have been a lot harder if he'd had a rifle.
so it makes sense that weapons technology might lag behind building tech. When a single unarmed soldier can easily kill at range like that who needs gun, But a sturdy, lightwieght building material could be invaluable in an outpost like this
I suddenly have a desire to see a fantasy steampunk version of DMFA...
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on December 16, 2006, 04:21:02 PMWe're kicking ideas around. I don't think anyone has any huge emotive attachement to their ideas. At least, I hope not. I know I don't...
Heck, these aren't even *my* ideas. What I'm saying is that if this were an actual analogue to history, this is what it would look like. The whole thing is anachronistic by its very nature, so trying to actually make it work is a fool's errand.
Quote from: Amber Panyko on December 16, 2006, 02:59:23 PM
In the same way that I'm not an expert of glass-technology and the historic significance of stainglass vs sheet glass (and also the difficulty in drawing the difference)
And you call yourself an artist. D:
Quote from: Landon_Fox on December 16, 2006, 07:24:15 PM
Actually, it's quite possible for them to miss firearms as a weapon. Europeans did not invent gunpowder. It was invented by the Chinese who didn't think to use it in that fashion. Europeans simply found a new and devastatingly effective way to use it.
If this trade doesn't occur, there are no guns. But the rest of technology marches on.
As demonstrated in one particularly peculiar game of Civ 4 I had once. The Arabs, under my command, invented nuclear power, fission and such, completely bypassing steam power, the radio, and more importantly,
steel![/i]
:D
besides, May and Cid are on what age? mid-to-late 50s?
Quote from: Jack McSlay on December 17, 2006, 03:14:13 AM
besides, May and Cid are on what age? mid-to-late 50s?
Thank you. This is how rational debate is
supposed to work. You don't throw up your hands and say "There are some things mankind is not supposed to know", you offer evidence and counter-evidence.
(Of course we don't know if they would have lived that long if they hadn't moved to a modern setting)
**EDIT**
..to make it a bit more polite, although it's probably too late now..
Quote from: Tapewolf on December 17, 2006, 06:12:26 AM
Thank you. This is how rational debate is supposed to work. You don't throw up your hands and say "There are some things mankind is not supposed to know", you offer evidence and counter-evidence.
(Of course we don't know if they would have lived that long if they hadn't moved to a modern setting)
**EDIT**
..to make it a bit more polite, although it's probably too late now..
I'd say so.
Quote from: thegayhare on December 16, 2006, 08:38:51 PM
As Amber said before
There was no real motive for them to invent certain things since magic was so reddily avalible. Look at Devin in the recent comic. He defeated his opponent with one shot. It would have been a lot harder if he'd had a rifle.
so it makes sense that weapons technology might lag behind building tech. When a single unarmed soldier can easily kill at range like that who needs gun, But a sturdy, lightwieght building material could be invaluable in an outpost like this
Indeed. But when not everyone seems capable of performing magic, the need for technological contrivances would still be there. If such valuable teachings as magic for those without innate magical capabilities were lost, the rest of the world would suffer from it. And there would be a need for inventive people, such as Jyrras, to even out this gap of power and neccessity.
Well if you need high tech weapons of destruction there is always Jyrras' "farming equipment"
Also with the mix of some technology and magic you are defiantly going to get some interesting inventions ... such as extra shiny windows [or whatever the issue was :mowwink]
Just turn up your Suspended Disbelief up a few notches and it all makes seance
.. or .. "a wizard did it"
Quote from: FireKatKid on December 16, 2006, 09:45:03 PM
And you call yourself an artist. D:
*whap* Bad FKK! No dissing the author! Bad!
*grin*
Can hop into the box and play hide and seek?
I am now hoping for a scanerio where Abel get's headwings, snaps at the realisation that he's a cubi in addition to everything else going on, and kills everyone with magic.
maybe but that kind of rampage doesnt sound like able. he gets queasy at the sight of blood
(http://mitglied.lycos.de/colorbysnap/headwings.jpg)
So, i guess im not the only one waiting for :eager _it_.
(http://mitglied.lycos.de/colorbysnap/Got1.jpg):boogie
Whos bringing the camera?
Quote from: Snap on December 18, 2006, 06:17:20 AM
(http://mitglied.lycos.de/colorbysnap/headwings.jpg)
So, i guess im not the only one waiting for :eager _it_.
(http://mitglied.lycos.de/colorbysnap/Got1.jpg):boogie
Whos bringing the camera?
I would like quote from Amber as being one her few attorneys....*ahem* Don't hold your breath... >:]
Heh, i know :)
Seeing that from
(http://mitglied.lycos.de/colorbysnap/562.jpg)
to
(http://mitglied.lycos.de/colorbysnap/2days.jpg)
its been roughly (723-562) ~ 160 updates...
But still... the moment is somewhere... out there... :kruger
But whatever happens those two will get the other bastard. I for one it will be Abel to pull off a first spell to kill the other creature.
Quote from: Zedd on December 18, 2006, 06:21:31 AM
Quote from: Snap on December 18, 2006, 06:17:20 AM
(http://mitglied.lycos.de/colorbysnap/headwings.jpg)
So, i guess im not the only one waiting for :eager _it_.
(http://mitglied.lycos.de/colorbysnap/Got1.jpg):boogie
Whos bringing the camera?
I would like quote from Amber as being one her few attorneys....*ahem* Don't hold your breath... >:]
(Granted, i doubt i couldve held my breath for longer than maybe a minute...)
....
(http://mitglied.lycos.de/colorbysnap/icalledit.jpg)
:mwaha - feels like a long awaited christmas present :boogie
Guess its "just one of those days" for Abel...
Yes nice idea Snap but you get your spannkings as well...YOUR REFING A DIFFRENT COMIC ON A DIFFRENT DATE!
Now more Violence ensues with Abel losing control.