Bwahahaha :-)
Nuff said.
Well.. other than that Glory was asking for it :-)
Haha! Okay, so Devin gets a few more points in coolness for the smart-arsity...using it FOR Abel instead of against, no less. :3
yes but the minute you realize he's english or a newyorker you loose all respect for him.
I think someone is about get hurt judging from the upity little paladine's expression mainly devin and possibley Abel (Me thinks I sense cubi problems on the rise)
HOLY CRAP, WINGS?! This is a new and exciting breakthrough! >.>
Something tells me Glory is the highly racist type... though I've been having that sort of vibe from the introduction of those three.
Say did anyone else noticed that Abel was on the team too?!
Oh, dude, I just noticed: Amber's comics are funny. Whoa.
Quote from: Zedd on December 01, 2006, 10:09:16 PM
Say did anyone else noticed that Abel was on the team too?!
Abel's not aware of what team he is playing for yet...
Hooray for sarcasm. Wait, was what I just said sarcastic? I can't tell. And Devin's humor rocks! All hailt the king of sarcasm!
Quote from: Azlan on December 01, 2006, 10:11:52 PM
Quote from: Zedd on December 01, 2006, 10:09:16 PM
Say did anyone else noticed that Abel was on the team too?!
Abel's not aware of what team he is playing for yet...
Im also aware Devin is like myself
Quote from: Azlan on December 01, 2006, 10:11:52 PM
Quote from: Zedd on December 01, 2006, 10:09:16 PM
Say did anyone else noticed that Abel was on the team too?!
Abel's not aware of what team he is playing for yet...
well in the backstory he is currently playing for Devin's team but if my predictions are correct then I think Abel will have some problems starting soon
mainly from Glory and her team
Maybe some from Devin and the spots
in the main comic however it's a little bit of Dan a little bit of Saia and a little bit of him self
We should have Devin's face in the 4th panel as an emote. :V
Neat that vampires still existed then. Interesting feature of this happening 400 (or something like that) years ago.
*is trying to type through laughing* Using sarcastic comments in defense of others, yay! *falls out of computer chair laughing* Devin for the win! *thumbs up from self on floor*
Devin: Look--he doesn't seem to have any problem with the fact that we're gay, and we're sure not gonna start something just because he's an incubus.
Abel: Wait...you're gay? (pause) ...I'm a WHAT-WHAT?
Quote from: superluser on December 01, 2006, 10:21:06 PM
Devin: Look--he doesn't seem to have any problem with the fact that we're gay, and we're sure not gonna start something just because he's an incubus.
Abel: Wait...you're gay? (pause) ...I'm a WHAT-WHAT?
That would be a bit anticlimactic, even for our Amber. Besides, Devin once commented that he had nothing against Abel for having wings; he wouldn't have said that about the
wings if he'd known Abel was a frikkin'
Incubus.
She kinda walked right into that one. :/
He's a smart-asshole.
Glory IS Captain Obvious. :B
Quote from: HaZ×MaT on December 01, 2006, 10:28:42 PM
She kinda walked right into that one. :/
maybe she was eluding to the fact he is a Cubi (or not who knows)
She is a pally so she might be able to sense cubi magic (like a certain jeleous female we know of) and is eluding to the fact he is a cubi
Quote from: Alan Garou on December 01, 2006, 10:24:15 PM
Quote from: superluser on December 01, 2006, 10:21:06 PM
Devin: Look--he doesn't seem to have any problem with the fact that we're gay, and we're sure not gonna start something just because he's an incubus.
Abel: Wait...you're gay? (pause) ...I'm a WHAT-WHAT?
That would be a bit anticlimactic, even for our Amber. Besides, Devin once commented that he had nothing against Abel for having wings; he wouldn't have said that about the wings if he'd known Abel was a frikkin' Incubus.
No, no. Abel asked if Devin hated him because of the wings.
Page 56 would logically be Glory saying something like ``Fine. I suppose there's nothing illegal about travelling with an incubus,'' followed by shocked expressions from Devin and Abel. Presumably, Amber isn't going for something quite so pedestrian.
(Amber, please don't hurt me if you are going for something so pedestrian!)
I'm trying to imagine a more dynamic and original way to do it.
Quote from: superluser on December 01, 2006, 10:43:39 PM
Quote from: Alan Garou on December 01, 2006, 10:24:15 PM
Quote from: superluser on December 01, 2006, 10:21:06 PM
Devin: Look--he doesn't seem to have any problem with the fact that we're gay, and we're sure not gonna start something just because he's an incubus.
Abel: Wait...you're gay? (pause) ...I'm a WHAT-WHAT?
That would be a bit anticlimactic, even for our Amber. Besides, Devin once commented that he had nothing against Abel for having wings; he wouldn't have said that about the wings if he'd known Abel was a frikkin' Incubus.
No, no. Abel asked if Devin hated him because of the wings.
Page 56 would logically be Glory saying something like ``Fine. I suppose there's nothing illegal about travelling with an incubus,'' followed by shocked expressions from Devin and Abel. Presumably, Amber isn't going for something quite so pedestrian.
(Amber, please don't hurt me if you are going for something so pedestrian!)
I'm trying to imagine a more dynamic and original way to do it.
I Agree with you and then at the end of the page after Abel denies the cubi thing and he gets his headwingsat the end or on the next page would generally be a better twist (while a little pedestrian it seems that is what the story is heading to) considering abels Age in the backstory he is going to get his headwings soon and right now would be the worst possible time
Quote from: Zaon on December 01, 2006, 10:47:53 PMafter Abel denies the cubi thing and he gets his headwingsat the end or on the next page would generally be a better twist
Hmmm, maybe you get your headwings after you deny you're one of the `cubi (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_303.php).
...Maybe `cubi heritage isn't even necessary. Maybe you become one upon denying it. That would be fun, especially at witch trials.
``I swear! I'm not a succubus!'' (poink!) ``Well, how do we know that his honor isn't an incubus?''
``This is outrageous! I'm no incubus!'' (poink!)
Quote from: superluser on December 01, 2006, 10:58:25 PM
Quote from: Zaon on December 01, 2006, 10:47:53 PMafter Abel denies the cubi thing and he gets his headwingsat the end or on the next page would generally be a better twist
Hmmm, maybe you get your headwings after you deny you're one of the `cubi (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_303.php).
...Maybe `cubi heritage isn't even necessary. Maybe you become one upon denying it. That would be fun, especially at witch trials.
``I swear! I'm not a succubus!'' (poink!) ``Well, how do we know that his honor isn't an incubus?''
``This is outrageous! I'm no incubus!'' (poink!)
I don't think is how it works
We all know Dan is stubborn and is an adventurer and isn't exactly bright so he just thought he got the wings form his mom and nothing else
Devin is so cool with the sarcasm. And the Palladium wench is definitely a very cold and bad person from the perspective of a fan that dares to speculate. But in any case Devin gets major points for the sarcasm and the feint of false of worry towards the Palladium *yeah* :boogie :boogie.
:erk .. err wait .. Abel .. wings .. when did this happen :mowhappy Next thing you know he'll be all spotty :rolleyes
:boogie :giggle :mwaha
SarCasm... so... thick...
For once in a long time Devin has done a good thing to Abel.
Be it using Sarcasm in place for a simple yes.
Devin wouldn't automatically conclude that Abel's a cubi, because the angel race has wings too. And then there's the parental-magic-exposure-side-effect thing.
Glory, on the other hand, might have a sense for such things. We shall see just how much she can detect. :3
Well at least we know how able was able to cultivate his style of dripping sarcasm, he apparently studied under one of the old masters.
Quote from: Alondro on December 02, 2006, 12:00:41 AM
Devin wouldn't automatically conclude that Abel's a cubi, because the angel race has wings too. And then there's the parental-magic-exposure-side-effect thing.
Glory, on the other hand, might have a sense for such things. We shall see just how much she can detect. :3
Well, isn't Devin a paladin or some such, too? ``I took a vow to protect all beings, regardless of how I feel about them personally (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_38.php)''? Couldn't he know or sense it in Abel?
Glory knows more than she's telling. That backless shirt, after all, exposes his clan symbol nicely. A quick glimpse and experienced eye might be all it takes to peg a Cubi youngster.
Quote from: Cogidubnus on December 02, 2006, 12:14:15 AMGlory knows more than she's telling. That backless shirt, after all, exposes his clan symbol nicely. A quick glimpse and experienced eye might be all it takes to peg a Cubi youngster.
And both Xander and Devin know about this marking, too.
Abel is a magic user at this point. I am curious to know how powerful he is. Can he hold his own against a Paladin? I'm not sure if Devon knows that Abel can use magic. I don't believe that he does know. I think that they may all be surprised to find out that Abel is the most powerful one among them. He is currently very inexperienced at fighting, but he has been using magic since he started school in Zinvth. I say that something goes wrong and Abel ends up blasting his way out of there.
Far Reaching Speculation: The real monster will show up and there will be one heck of a fight. Abel's magic will save the day. All will live and become good friends. In the end, Abel's head wings will pop out and ruin everything. Abel is sad because his new friends now hate him.
EDIT: What if the monster turns out to be Abel's creature parent? (not likely)
Quote from: superluser on December 02, 2006, 12:11:52 AM
Quote from: Alondro on December 02, 2006, 12:00:41 AM
Devin wouldn't automatically conclude that Abel's a cubi, because the angel race has wings too. And then there's the parental-magic-exposure-side-effect thing.
Glory, on the other hand, might have a sense for such things. We shall see just how much she can detect. :3
Well, isn't Devin a paladin or some such, too? ``I took a vow to protect all beings, regardless of how I feel about them personally (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_38.php)''? Couldn't he know or sense it in Abel?
You don't have to be a paladin to agree with their ideals, you know. :3
I think something similar to when his mom and him were playing when he was young before the talk with the princable
It has all of the settings and everything
all we need isthe griffala XD
Quote from: Roureem Egas on December 02, 2006, 12:22:50 AMQuote from: superluser on December 02, 2006, 12:11:52 AMWell, isn't Devin a paladin or some such, too? ``I took a vow to protect all beings, regardless of how I feel about them personally (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_38.php)''? Couldn't he know or sense it in Abel?
You don't have to be a paladin to agree with their ideals, you know. :3
No, but it would explain why he hates Glory--especially if he were ejected from the ranks of paladin, but still forced to follow his vow.
You know, I just noticed something else. Abel's braid seems to be covering his clan marking. If that's possible, wouldn't it be a trivial matter for all `cubi to simply shapeshift a flap over the area of the body where the marking is, thus making the marking effectively disappear?
Quote from: superluser on December 02, 2006, 12:29:24 AM
Quote from: Roureem Egas on December 02, 2006, 12:22:50 AMQuote from: superluser on December 02, 2006, 12:11:52 AMWell, isn't Devin a paladin or some such, too? ``I took a vow to protect all beings, regardless of how I feel about them personally (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_38.php)''? Couldn't he know or sense it in Abel?
You don't have to be a paladin to agree with their ideals, you know. :3
No, but it would explain why he hates Glory--especially if he were ejected from the ranks of paladin, but still forced to follow his vow.
You know, I just noticed something else. Abel's braid seems to be covering his clan marking. If that's possible, wouldn't it be a trivial matter for all `cubi to simply shapeshift a flap over the area of the body where the marking is, thus making the marking effectively disappear?
Quote tunnel! :U
Well anyway, paladins are held to a high standard of conduct and it's very difficult to get to that sort of position. Especially if we were to touch upon D&D for this, as there are restrictions on paladins. Devin could just as likely not choose to be a paladin because he humbles himself for no one.
I was half-expecting Abel's headwings to suddenly pop out... :giggle
Quote from: RJ on December 02, 2006, 01:04:39 AM
I was half-expecting Abel's headwings to suddenly pop out... :giggle
When were you expering mine to appear?
Just for a note: I think she's thinking that Devin's an Angel. (and coincidentl coincidently she's looking for Night Angels, so...)
Quote from: Cogidubnus on December 02, 2006, 12:14:15 AM
Glory knows more than she's telling. That backless shirt, after all, exposes his clan symbol nicely. A quick glimpse and experienced eye might be all it takes to peg a Cubi youngster.
And would she know? These people seem to be a bit on the uninformed and not so mindful side...
:giggle Everyone loves showing up the Paladin.
Quote from: Psaakyrn on December 02, 2006, 01:22:41 AM
Just for a note: I think she's thinking that Devin's an Angel. (and coincidentl coincidently she's looking for Night Angels, so...)
:wtf :youfail
it is stated that the night angels are vampires
besides why would she think devin is an angel when he doesn't even have wings
she probley thinks abel is a demon of some sort cause of his bat like wings.
By the sounds of it, Night Angels are different from Vampires (More likely stronger, or perhaps don't have as many weaknesses, perhaps merely vulnerability in sunlight instead of complete annihilation).
Quote from: Stygian on December 02, 2006, 01:25:43 AM
And would she know? These people seem to be a bit on the uninformed and not so mindful side...
Oh? From what I hear, paladin's can be quite racist. Just a thought...but perhaps she might be familiar with the markings of dangerous creatures, or other undesirables? Certainly possible. One never knows...
Quote from: Manawolf on December 02, 2006, 02:02:20 AM
By the sounds of it, Night Angels are different from Vampires (More likely stronger, or perhaps don't have as many weaknesses, perhaps merely vulnerability in sunlight instead of complete annihilation).
um...If 'night angels' and vampires are the same then I doubt the weaknesses would be different
the night angels could be straounger but they would still have the weaknesses since accourding to Glory it wasn't that big of a deal
Quote from: Cogidubnus on December 02, 2006, 03:15:14 AM
Quote from: Stygian on December 02, 2006, 01:25:43 AM
And would she know? These people seem to be a bit on the uninformed and not so mindful side...
Oh? From what I hear, paladin's can be quite racist. Just a thought...but perhaps she might be familiar with the markings of dangerous creatures, or other undesirables? Certainly possible. One never knows...
Well, I have as of yet to encounter a truly intelligent paladin. And them being racists only supports this.
i have to agree she did walk blindly into that one but then Devon is trying to tick her off and as we know he's known able for a while
Quote from: Meech on December 02, 2006, 12:18:36 AM
Abel is a magic user at this point. I am curious to know how powerful he is. Can he hold his own against a Paladin? I?m not sure if Devon knows that Abel can use magic.
He's a librarian not a fighter. He almost certainly knows a handful of useful defensive spells, fireball and suchlike but I doubt he could hold his own against five others if he suddenly has an attack of the headwings.
Which is unlikely by the way, since he hasn't shown any signs of headaches like Dan did. The funeral might have given him the emotional influx he needs to send him on his way, but I still don't think he's ready yet.
QuoteFar Reaching Speculation: The real monster will show up and there will be one heck of a fight. Abel's magic will save the day. All will live and become good friends. In the end, Abel's head wings will pop out and ruin everything. Abel is sad because his new friends now hate him.
I still say Xander is a 'cubi himself. His comment about the tattoos is interesting, but that could just be him testing Abel to see what he knows.
Weren't Dan's headaches because of too much emotion, not headwings? I got confused at that point...
bwahaha, I officially like Devin now :3
I actually think that Devin referring to Glory as an uppity paladin might be because Glory isn't fond of Devin's smart-assness? I mean, YOU people were not fond of it when it was targeted at Abel. Glory's cold attitude towards Devin might be jsut the fact, that Devin does seem to piss people off. Not me though, I think Devin's a cool guy.
Also, it is yet to be proven that Paladins are any more racist than any other adventurer is :mowwink
If night angels and vampires were the same thing, I think Glory would've known that and not gone to begin with. Apparently, frightened villagers in the dark can't tell them apart, which is reasonable.
I'm not so sure Devin said what he did in Abel's defense; I think he was more just being an asshole to Glory. Which is still awesome.
Ahhh, Devin's so good at being mean xD
Edit: And Glory's expression in the last panel is priceless :D
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on December 02, 2006, 04:48:39 AM
Weren't Dan's headaches because of too much emotion, not headwings? I got confused at that point...
Going by memory alone since I don't have the time to double-check things right now:
I believe Dan has two headache-phases. One is during the arc where we learn he's an Incubus (he shows Merlitz a potion that's supposed to help against the headache), and the other one is at the beginning of the SAIA arc, where his headaches are much worse. First one is where he gets his headwings (and the title says that the wings were the reason for the headache), second one is where he got emotional overload. Or at least that's the way things look like right now.
Oh, so he had TWO reasons for a headache. Ow. Thanks for the clearup though.
On topic: I'm wondering why Devin hasn't been killed yet with this kind of attitude towards armed parties.
This is probably the one time you will hear Dev say 'Gosh and golly!' people. Enjoy it whilst you can. :)
I think night angels are nothing but EMO angels >:3
Night angels: That's not fair :crying
I'm interested to find out exactly what a night angel is, actually... They're apparently similar to a vampire in some way if they can be mistaken so easily...
Maybe it was a group that had never seen a vampire, but had some myth about night-angels and thought that's what they were.
Quote from: modelincard on December 02, 2006, 09:17:41 AM
Maybe it was a group that had never seen a vampire, but had some myth about night-angels and thought that's what they were.
See? This is what wild speculation leads to! Inconvenienced and grumpy adventurers! Let this be a lesson to all you(/us) speculating forumites! :P
Quote from: Tapewolf on December 02, 2006, 04:19:13 AMI still say Xander is a 'cubi himself. His comment about the tattoos is interesting, but that could just be him testing Abel to see what he knows.
Now do you mean that Xander is one of the `cubi, or that one has impersonated Xander? Both are interesting.
His comments do make it sound like a ham-handed way of telegraphing his findings to Devin...
Just wait until it's revealed that Xander has no sister. (after all, why would he not know what his sister looks like?)
"This may sound odd... But are you aware of the condition of your third party member?"
Abel's 'condition'? He's pregnant?
Quote from: superluser on December 02, 2006, 09:30:33 AM
Quote from: Tapewolf on December 02, 2006, 04:19:13 AMI still say Xander is a 'cubi himself. His comment about the tattoos is interesting, but that could just be him testing Abel to see what he knows.
Now do you mean that Xander is one of the `cubi, or that one has impersonated Xander? Both are interesting.
As for that, I can't say, but I do know there's a Dalmatian 'cubi in SAIA with the same eyes, hair colour and spot pattern as Xander (Vol #555). The ears are the only difference I can see, apart from the wings and the hairstyle (NOT colour).
(http://www.jpmorris.force9.co.uk/stuff/conversions/xander.png)
QuoteHis comments do make it sound like a ham-handed way of telegraphing his findings to Devin...
Devin wouldn't necessarily know if Xander really is a Creature. I'm not sure I'd go 'round blabbing my 'cubi heritage to any old Being adventurer. As the giant cockroach told Wiliam Lee in one of his trips, "Homosexuality is the best all-round cover an agent ever had". If Xander admits to Devin that he's gay, Devin is going to think that's his only secret, right?
Quote from: Tapewolf on December 02, 2006, 10:10:06 AM
Quote from: superluser on December 02, 2006, 09:30:33 AM
Quote from: Tapewolf on December 02, 2006, 04:19:13 AMI still say Xander is a 'cubi himself. His comment about the tattoos is interesting, but that could just be him testing Abel to see what he knows.
Now do you mean that Xander is one of the `cubi, or that one has impersonated Xander? Both are interesting.
As for that, I can't say, but I do know there's a Dalmatian 'cubi in SAIA with the same eyes, hair colour and spot pattern as Xander (Vol #555). The ears are the only difference I can see, apart from the wings and the hairstyle (NOT colour).
(http://www.jpmorris.force9.co.uk/stuff/conversions/xander.png)
Ohhhh....
You've got me!
Of course this may be a coincidence or Amber's subconsciosness, but good eyes!
What I thought when reading this week's Abel's Story is a quote from the "X-Statix presents Deadgirl" TPB, when Dr. Strange commented "Why do I say 'suffice'? Who still says 'suffice' these days?". (quoted from memory) And later in the book: "The mystical orb of <whatever> will suffice. I mean do, it will do!"
There seems to be what looks like glasses too, and the one smaller spot is "missing". I thought Amber already said it was just a coincidence, though.. I'd have to look back.
Quote from: Tapewolf on December 02, 2006, 10:10:06 AMDevin wouldn't necessarily know if Xander really is a Creature. I'm not sure I'd go 'round blabbing my 'cubi heritage to any old Being adventurer.
I don't think I ever said that Xander told Devin that he's one of the `cubi. Just that Devin knows about `cubi clan markings. I mean, there are entire books about animal tracks, so wouldn't it be natural to expect there to be compendia about markings and other defining features of various varmints?
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on December 02, 2006, 10:27:44 AM
I thought Amber already said it was just a coincidence, though.. I'd have to look back.
Not in the thread where I first pointed it out, she didn't. Other people said it was a coincidence.
Whichever way you dice it there are problems - even if we say it's not Xander. That there should be someone who looks so just like him but isn't is frankly, far-fetched unless we break canon and say he's something Amber drew as a prototype. I'm not ruling that out either, but that being the case, I would have at least changed the hair colour :P
QuoteThere seems to be what looks like glasses too, and the one smaller spot is "missing".
I think the smaller spot is protruding from the glasses. Without access to the original sketches it's impossible to tell. As for the question of why is he wearing glasses at all, who knows? If it is Xander, he might be long-sighted which would give him good distance vision for archery but problems reading (which he would need to do more in SAIA than outside). I wouldn't have thought 'Cubi would need glasses at all, though..
Most of this has been covered in the original thread:
http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php?topic=973.0
Quote from: superluser on December 02, 2006, 10:41:44 AM
I don't think I ever said that Xander told Devin that he's one of the `cubi. Just that Devin knows about `cubi clan markings.
Ah.
QuoteI mean, there are entire books about animal tracks, so wouldn't it be natural to expect there to be compendia about markings and other defining features of various varmints?
Abel's own
parents didn't seem to know what he was.. they seem to have been worried that he was an angel, even though his wings have demon attributes as well as feathers.
Then we have a troupe of four seasoned adventurers crashing into Lost Lake, only suspecting Dan of being a 'cubi because he's been spell-transformed and totally missing Abel who has used his regular 'cubi powers to shapeshift. If adventurers can't get that right now, when 'cubi are relatively free to live among Beings, are they really going to be able to do a better job 400 years ago? >:3
Quote from: Tapewolf on December 02, 2006, 10:55:20 AMAbel's own parents didn't seem to know what he was.. they seem to have been worried that he was an angel, even though his wings have demon attributes as well as feathers.
Then we have a troupe of four seasoned adventurers crashing into Lost Lake, only suspecting Dan of being a 'cubi because he's been spell-transformed and totally missing Abel who has used his regular 'cubi powers to shapeshift. If adventurers can't get that right now, when 'cubi are relatively free to live among Beings, are they really going to be able to do a better job 400 years ago? >:3
The people at Lost Lake were using detect magic. Seeing an actual clan marking would be a bit of a giveaway. We know that Abel's non-adventurer mom has seen it, but I don't think his adventurer father has seen it. And since Dan promised to have nothing to do with `cubi, he probably didn't read up on them.
The only real connections are they're both dalmations and red heads. But the ears are different.
You people really need to start shaving with Occam's Razor.
Quote from: Manawolf on December 02, 2006, 11:17:37 AM
The only real connections are they're both dalmations and red heads. But the ears are different.
I disagree. The ears are the only real
disconnect. What convinces me that this is the most plausible explanation is the spot pattern. Dalmatians - even in Furrae - are not like cheetahs... they are not clones and the spot pattern is different with each individual. Amber doesn't draw many of them but the others which we can find do
not resemble Xander to such a degree.
QuoteYou people really need to start shaving with Occam's Razor.
I'd go with that. The problem is that for me, the simplest explanation is that they're the same person. IMHO, if they're different people who happen to look almost near-identical even down to spots, you're left with a bigger problem.
The easiest thing to do is to forget you ever saw it and see what happens to Xander in the strip >:3
If he's killed by the Creature, I'm wrong, obviously. Otherwise, we won't know until Abel starts to go to SAIA himself.
There's another possibility, you know.
one of the other Cubi has taken the image from Abel's memory and is taunting him with it.
Flesh the story out however you prefer. :-)
As I said, they don't have the same ears. The one at SAIA were solid black. In the end, it could have just been a simple cameo.
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on December 02, 2006, 11:39:33 AM
There's another possibility, you know.
one of the other Cubi has taken the image from Abel's memory and is taunting him with it.
Yes, it's quite possible it might be someone else who's assumed Xander's identity, but I'm not sure it's for taunting reasons.
First, Abel is ignoring him. Whoever the Dalmatian is, they've probably known each other for centuries. Abel's certainly not reacting as if it was a taunt, so I'd imagine the other 'cubi would have got bored and changed back by now.
Second, you'd have to get into Abel's mind to do it. Most 'cubi are mind-shielded, and given how furtive and self-reliant Abel seems to be, I'd be very, very surprised if he let anyone else into his head.
Oh yay, lets just tick off the paladin. Yeah, thats REALLY smart.
Paladins: Lawful Good and violent about it.
Yep (http://www.llbbl.com/data/RPG-motivational/target121.html)
I'm anxious to see what happens next
Crazy thing is I think I vaguely remember something about Wildy's mom being a paladin....
Quote from: Nullcast on December 02, 2006, 12:30:24 PM
Crazy thing is I think I vaguely remember something about Wildy's mom being a paladin....
Probem: Glory dosn't look like a ferret, i think she looks like a short Racoon, or perhaps a racoon/mouse/other hybrid.. 'least from my view.
Quote from: Tapewolf on December 02, 2006, 11:49:48 AM
Whoever the Dalmatian is, they've probably known each other for centuries.
I'm kinda' doubting that, Acording to his profile, Abel's smugness drove off most 'Cubi, meaning that he likely had only a few (if any) friends. Of course i realise that Abel wasn't always so smug. (otherwise
he would be the one with the smart-ass comment) He seems to think that he is a being, one who knows magic, but a being none the less. So, when he goes to SAIA, I would imagine he would be more than a little distant from the other 'Cubi. Not to mension his "goth" stage. Soo.. yeah I'm really doubting that he knows many 'Cubi.
...I had more to say but I can't remember it. :banghead
Quote from: Manawolf on December 02, 2006, 12:03:03 PM
Paladins: Lawful Good and violent about it.
I'm saving that quote.
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Quote from: Tapewolf on December 02, 2006, 11:49:48 AM
Whoever the Dalmatian is, they've probably known each other for centuries.
I'm kinda' doubting that, Acording to his profile, Abel's smugness drove off most 'Cubi, meaning that he likely had only a few (if any) friends.
Yeah, I was thinking more of "knowing who each other are" than implying they were firm friends. Most of that aspect was covered in the previous thread anyway.
Bah. I have speculation!
The cubi in SAIA could be Xander's descendant, assuming Xander is indeed a being. Because offspring look more like their being parent that would explain the uncanny resemblance, and being a Cubi he could have been a direct child of Xander, even all those years later.
And the whole "Xander is gay" thing isn't enough to discount it. A lot of gay men do have children, whether because they are bi or through a serrogate mother. Or even if Xander did it with a Cubi then the Cubi could have been male but shapeshifted to get pregnant, if that were possible (as long as they made sure there was at least one X gene in the gametes then they wouldn't even have to change their genes). Assuming that Xander really is gay and it's not just Devin getting retaliation for that one comment.
Of course, saying he has a cousin who changed all her spots to rainbow seems like Xander might have a magical heritage after all. He did say a "magical tatoo shop." hmm.
Or I still think it could be a coincidence. Having 2 (edit: 3) spots in common isn't enough to warrant saying they are the same, especially since they have different ears. Though the red eyes and hair still seem suspicious to me, and Amber has yet to comment and say that we're crazy, which means she's probably got an explanation for it more than just "coincidence." Or she may just enjoy the speculation.
Who knows whats next people? Tune into next time on Ambers floofy brain nugget! :3
Quote from: Tapewolf on December 02, 2006, 11:49:48 AMFirst, Abel is ignoring him. Whoever the Dalmatian is, they've probably known each other for centuries.
Not really. Just because you're in the same room as someone doesn't mean that you have to talk to that person.
Also, the hair color in 555 is brown, only the wings are red (Yes, brown is a dark red--that's not my point), and the character looks like a female.
Quote from: superluser on December 02, 2006, 05:51:02 PM
Also, the hair color in 555 is brown, only the wings are red (Yes, brown is a dark red--that's not my point), and the character looks like a female.
We can't tell the character's gender for sure since only their head is clear enough to examine properly.
I just don't see how you can say the hair is brown. Even pulling the image apart with GIMP is giving me various shades of red. Was that a typo and you mean 'eyes'? I'll admit the eyes are unclear but they've been JPEG compressed and they only total about 10-16 pixels anyway.
[Now it gets well off-topic...]
For the hair, I'm getting colours ranging from 700000 (44% pure red) through D42429 (80% red, 14% green, 16% blue) which as far as I'm concerned is 'red' by any sensible definition. Xander's hair has the same approximate composition (640000 - D91C20).
If I sample the definitely-brown wings and fur of the pink/brown 'cubi immediately behind the Dalmatian, I get colours like 774A20 (47% red, 29% green, 13% blue) and 552F09 (32% red, 18% blue, 4% green).
Do you think it's worth resurrecting the original thread to save this one?
Quote from: Tapewolf on December 02, 2006, 06:13:45 PMI just don't see how you can say the hair is brown. Even pulling the image apart with GIMP is giving me various shades of red. Was that a typo and you mean 'eyes'? I'll admit the eyes are unclear but they've been JPEG compressed and they only total about 10-16 pixels anyway.
No, the eyes are pretty clearly red. I think what I'm seeing as hair, others have called ears. And I still say that's hair. It might be black, not brown, but not red. Whatever is red seems to be wings and maybe some sort of cap.
Quote from: Tapewolf on December 02, 2006, 06:13:45 PMDo you think it's worth resurrecting the original thread to save this one?
Mmmaybe. I think I'm pretty much done on speculating on 555 unless someone has something profound to add.
Quote from: superluser on December 02, 2006, 06:32:17 PM
I think what I'm seeing as hair, others have called ears. And I still say that's hair. It might be black, not brown, but not red. Whatever is red seems to be wings and maybe some sort of cap.
Ahh.. that makes sense. What I'm seeing is one dark brown/black ear on their left (our right). The wings and headwings are bright red, what I'm seeing as the hair is a series of bangs on the top of the head, brushed back and one large bang in their right (our left). I'm assuming it's hair because it's the same design and texture as Dan's hair, but it is made of the same colours as Xander's hair - noticably darker than the wings.
I'm still not sure what the black backed panels represent (if anything) could it be Dev is slightly worried Glory might of figured out what Abel is? (Before lapsing back into sarcasm) is it just a single colour to save time? Am I over analysing?
Quote from: MT Hazard on December 02, 2006, 07:02:11 PM
I'm still not sure what the black backed panels represent (if anything) could it be Dev is slightly worried Glory might of figured out what Abel is? (Before lapsing back into sarcasm) is it just a single colour to save time? Am I over analysing?
It's probably called foreshortening. I might have the wrong term of art for it, but basically it's when you compress or remove certain visual elements from a scene for dramatic effect.
Like in Vertigo where you see the stairwells (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFxNgcrDbVI), or when you see Daffy Duck and Bugs Bunny switching from ``Wabbit season'' to ``Duck season,'' but you don't see every hammer stroke, or when you see the scene to silhouettes when someone is sliced in two in J. Random anime series.
I'd say that this proves that Amber is a really good artist, but it's more that she knows how to use really good techniques in appropriate situations, since crappy artists also use this technique.
*hrmmms as he appears from the lurkerdom* I doubt Dev knows that abel is a cubi. It is more likely that he is just being sarcastic.... this IS devin afterall.
Quote from: Zaon on December 01, 2006, 11:00:55 PM
Quote from: superluser on December 01, 2006, 10:58:25 PM
Quote from: Zaon on December 01, 2006, 10:47:53 PMafter Abel denies the cubi thing and he gets his headwingsat the end or on the next page would generally be a better twist
Hmmm, maybe you get your headwings after you deny you're one of the `cubi (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_303.php).
...Maybe `cubi heritage isn't even necessary. Maybe you become one upon denying it. That would be fun, especially at witch trials.
``I swear! I'm not a succubus!'' (poink!) ``Well, how do we know that his honor isn't an incubus?''
``This is outrageous! I'm no incubus!'' (poink!)
I don't think is how it works
We all know Dan is stubborn and is an adventurer and isn't exactly bright so he just thought he got the wings form his mom and nothing else
S was making a joke, sweetheart.
;p
You weren't supposed to take it seriously.
Quote from: Pentawolf on December 02, 2006, 09:00:56 PM*hrmmms as he appears from the lurkerdom* I doubt Dev knows that abel is a cubi. It is more likely that he is just being sarcastic.... this IS devin afterall.
Doesn't have to be either-or.
I propose a compromise: Devin is sarcasic, knows he's an incubus, and cookies are delicious.
Howzat?
eh... I could go for more cookies... Mmmm cookies and tea...
Well, wait. Devin may not know. Adventurers children having strange mutations were common around there. Remember the platapus girl? With the eyes on her hands? She's a prime example. He may just be saying "So what if Abel has wings?"
that fits with my notation and with what we read at the beginning of the story.
Quote from: Manawolf on December 02, 2006, 11:17:37 AM
You people really need to start shaving with Occam's Razor.
No thanks, I'll stick to the forum favorite: the Convolux 4000! 20 blades that may or may not move in conjunction with each other! A computer chip that modifies your shaving experience due to important changes in atmosphere, including dust saturation, barometric pressure, and current global position relative to a certain, anonymous jumbo jet! The law of diminishing returns states that if you use it enough, after so many lacerations you'll get a perfect shave eventually!
The Convolux 4000: It could work![Edit] Right, relevant material to validate this post... So it seems Devin knows that wings are suspicious or at least unusual on an individual, but has said nothing about them to Abel. I wonder what the paladin knows that we, Abel, and possibly Devin don't. Want my bet? Pally thinks Abel's an angel.
Quote from: Toric on December 03, 2006, 04:44:05 PMI wonder what the paladin knows that we, Abel, and possibly Devin don't. Want my bet? Pally thinks Abel's an angel.
I found out she's an angel
I don't think she knows I know
I'm worried that something might happen to me
If anyone ever finds out
(When you're following an angel does it mean you have to throw your body off a building (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_356.php)?)
Quote from: superluser on December 03, 2006, 05:09:40 PM
[She's An Angel by TMBG]
This thread seems to be even more off-topic since I left it :P
Quote from: Tapewolf on December 03, 2006, 06:03:04 PM
Quote from: superluser on December 03, 2006, 05:09:40 PM
[She's An Angel by TMBG]
This thread seems to be even more off-topic since I left it :P
We're running out of avenues to speculate on!
Here's something--non-speculation, even!
I noticed that the third frame in this strip has a lot of head room for Devin. I presume that that's supposed to emulate a high-angle shot, meant to emphasize the weakness or helplessness of the subject.
Anybody else want to discuss artistic techniques?
I donno.... I think Xander's Dad's a Pygmy Shrew. :p
Who knows where this will lead I have a feeling that Devin and Xander and Abel will have to go against the the other group. I sense the oddness of them in a manner of bad guys. Let's see how this story progresses.
I'm just loving Devin more and more now...
I think Devin is establishing himself a real solid character. I'm beginning to like this part of him very cool indeed. Btw TW that pic you have of Xander comparing it to the stainglass of that other being with the glasses? I have a feeling that being that Amber was drawing was in fact is her hence the glasses. I don't know maybe I'm wrong about this but this is something just popped in my head just now.
Quote from: Sienna Maiu - M T on December 04, 2006, 03:35:35 PM
I'm just loving Devin more and more now...
love is too strong a word for me but i can respect his self image and determination to be himself.
That's why Devin is Devin a solid character the we closely associated with ourselves. We all have Devin inside of us with our smart ass response etc. I think we love the character of Devin to begin with.
I know I did. I adore jerks, if only because I could never truly be one regardless of how hard I try.
who knows what else Devin can give us in the sense of his character. I for one want to know if Devin is still around at the point of Dan and Mabs time. Now answer me that Amber *please*.
I doubt that. Abel's Story is set a few centuries back before the current lifetime and I'm pretty sure Devin's not a Creature despite his ability to use ice magic. From what I remember, Creature/Being offspring generally look like the Being parent but may have inherited the Creature parent's traits if they become a Creature themselves.
That does make me wonder if Cythia is a Creature herself. Her own parents look like Beings, so that speculation might be null. That, or I missed out on the discussion at the time.
remember that adventures are hit by magical abilities and curses all the time maybe Cythia had mythos ancestry and her father was hit by a magical booster or a failed transformation spell that caused him to pass on his ancestry to her and this ancestry came with the extra eyes
Quote from: Roureem Egas on December 14, 2006, 11:37:50 AMI doubt that. Abel's Story is set a few centuries back before the current lifetime and I'm pretty sure Devin's not a Creature despite his ability to use ice magic.
Or...
Maybe Devin's in Aaryanna's jar (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_234.php). Which would make Aaryanna Abel's...father? The ages *do* match up...
the jar i understand but not the whole parent thing. after all i don't see it happened that she and able would be related like that and on such odd terms. there no love and no hatred just annoyance it doesn't add up to me
But that's something if Devin is in Aaryanna's jar the timeline do coincide or I'm wrong on this one am I? I'm just curious if anything has happened to the Devin etc. Or maybe it will be all explained when the Abel arc ends.
Quote from: ShiningShadow on December 15, 2006, 07:19:42 AM
But that's something if Devin is in Aaryanna's jar the timeline do coincide or I'm wrong on this one am I?
Aary is about 50 in this timeline and therefore currently in SAIA. I suspect that soul-trapping is something you learn there rather than something that 'cubi can instinctively do.
**EDIT**
To clarify: the jar thing probably happened within Dan's lifetime.
Quote from: Tapewolf on December 15, 2006, 07:25:25 AMAary is about 50 in this timeline and therefore currently in SAIA. I suspect that soul-trapping is something you learn there rather than something that 'cubi can instinctively do.
We don't know when Aary joined SAIA. Dan was volunteered for SAIA within a few days, but only because he knew an alumna. Aary might not have known anyone, and thus roamed the wilderness hunting paladins.
It's also possible that she learned the soul trapping thing from somewhere else, much like Abel knows magic, but not from SAIA.
Also, Aary might have learned it from one of her parents, maybe a `cubi that might not have wanted her to go to SAIA, or perhaps she is a half-demon, and demons can do it, too.
Quote from: superluser on December 15, 2006, 10:10:31 AM
We don't know when Aary joined SAIA. Dan was volunteered for SAIA within a few days, but only because he knew an alumna. Aary might not have known anyone, and thus roamed the wilderness hunting paladins.
Aaryanna was born a Cubi and raised a Cubi deep within one of the hidden cities. A rather prodigal child, Aary was enrolled early to the Cubi Acadamies where she excelled in many of her classes.QuoteIt's also possible that she learned the soul trapping thing from somewhere else, much like Abel knows magic, but not from SAIA. Also, Aary might have learned it from one of her parents, maybe a `cubi that might not have wanted her to go to SAIA, or perhaps she is a half-demon, and demons can do it, too.
Possibly, but since she seems to have spent most of her life in SAIA, I suspect she learned it there - that and the "I'm not fifty anymore," line which could be taken to mean that Fa'lina knew her at that age.
Quote from: Tapewolf on December 15, 2006, 10:25:05 AM"I'm not fifty anymore," line
Hmmm. I can't find that line. Not that I'm doubting it, just that my search-fu is failing me.
P.S. I just noticed that Destania doesn't have a marking on (at least the front of) her right shoulder (should have been visible in either #701 or #714). Two solutions: either the place of the clan marking isn't the same for all `cubi, or she's over 9000!
Quote from: superluser on December 15, 2006, 12:13:20 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on December 15, 2006, 10:25:05 AM"I'm not fifty anymore," line
Hmmm. I can't find that line. Not that I'm doubting it, just that my search-fu is failing me.
http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_583.php
In any case she's been in SAIA for most of her life according to her profile and that she entered 'at an early age', which I'm assuming to mean 'younger than Dan'.
QuoteP.S. I just noticed that Destania doesn't have a marking on (at least the front of) her right shoulder (should have been visible in either #701 or #714). Two solutions: either the place of the clan marking isn't the same for all `cubi, or she's over 9000!
She's 7026, and I
think (but can't prove) that its location depends on the individual, not the clan.
Devin can't be in Aaryanna's jar, because he isn't a knight and amber's not insane enough to plan such obscure details.
Quote from: Tapewolf on December 15, 2006, 12:40:11 PMQuoteshe's over 9000!
She's 7026, and I think (but can't prove) that its location depends on the individual, not the clan.
Actually, I was referring to the power level.
``Most Cubi can die from normal means unless they are a certain power level.''
``There is also rumours that upon reaching a particular level of power, a Cubi gains a third set of wings.''
Maybe over a certain power level, they can obscure their clan marking?
As for power level 9000, it's one of those stupid internet memes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBtpyeLxVkI).
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on December 15, 2006, 01:29:06 PMDevin can't be in Aaryanna's jar, because he isn't a knight
I've suggested that Devin actually is a paladin, which would explain why knows so much about Glory, why he knows what quest she's on, and why he has taken an vow to protect all beings.