>PS3 Launch report> (http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/top/foreigners-and-fights-ps3-jpn-launchs-dark-side-214130.php)
it seems that chinese desperate for money are far more interested in the PS3 than the Japanese gamers desperate for new consoles.
so if you expected you would be able to buy a PS3 for $600, think again
Ah yes, read that today, too. I think that "WTF" sums it up nicely. They (read: the store and the event organizers) really should have paid some money for good crowd control.
But the most hilarious part has got to be the fact that the first official PS3 customer didn't speak Japanese and got dragged into a Japanese interview xD
Quote from: Jack McSlay on November 12, 2006, 09:59:55 AM
it seems that chinese desperate for money are far more interested in the PS3 than the Japanese gamers desperate for new consoles.
It's all a matter of supply and demand. The demand is high, the supply is low. You invest 600$ and a night of camping and shoving, and you walk out with something you can easily sell for 1000+$. Considering that Sony LOSES money per console while eBay-dudes MAKE money, I honestly hope that launching the console before the Christmas season is worth it for Sony.
US launch should be an interesting follow-up to this...
oh, I'm really hoping I see people camping out on this side of the ocean. Just so I can walk up and SMACK the living daylights out of them. Seriously, what game does the PS3 have to play?
One of my friends is camping for a PS3. He plans to make a 300% profit.
Quote from: je.saist on November 12, 2006, 10:55:20 AM
oh, I'm really hoping I see people camping out on this side of the ocean. Just so I can walk up and SMACK the living daylights out of them. Seriously, what game does the PS3 have to play?
Can't... resist... must... *wheeze*
RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIDGE RAAAAAAAAAAAAACER! :P
And there were actually some people this week who had already started to camp out in front of a shop in California. Yes, nine days before launch. Police dudes told them to get lost, though. ^^;
Camping starts (http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/ps3/ps3-campers-already-in-line-at-best-buy-213422.php)
Camping ends (http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/sony/ps3-campers-removed-from-burbank-best-buy-214082.php)
That article was just beautiful.
So it's true, nearly everyone who wants a ps3 isn't actually going to play it.
That's because the PS3 is an "entertainment system" :B
That article was really an eye opener. I had no idea something like that would (or could) happen! The news article I saw on the tv last night made it look so happy and cheerful...
Remember that Sony said they'll sue anyone selling a PS3 to the Europe regions before the launch date... I wonder if they'll really do that, or to the matter, be able to do that? I saw an English guy who had waited two days in line to get into the launch and got one.
Quote from: RJ on November 12, 2006, 06:27:07 PM
Remember that Sony said they'll sue anyone selling a PS3 to the Europe regions before the launch date... I wonder if they'll really do that, or to the matter, be able to do that? I saw an English guy who had waited two days in line to get into the launch and got one.
They'll have to get their lawyers moving then... just go to the US eBay and do a search for
PS3 Japan... ;)
Heh. I was reading that site earlier about how lines had been broken up in front of one of the American "Best Buy" stores, and posters put up saying that customers cannot queue until a day[/i] in advance. :rolleyes
Silly people. I personally put them in the same group as the addictive fanboys who can't wait two or three weeks for a game to be released. The sort who think a release now is better because they'll have it sooner, with no regard for any code that may or may not be implemented, or any glaring bugs/errors that may or may not have been fixed. :rolleyes
Quote from: Sheridan on November 12, 2006, 07:53:56 PM
The sort who think a release now is better because they'll have it sooner, with no regard for any code that may or may not be implemented, or any glaring bugs/errors that may or may not have been fixed. :rolleyes
Ah yes... "release-day customers"... the new euphemism for "beta testers"
Campers spoil everything game related RL and OL. :<
Quote from: Sid on November 12, 2006, 08:10:25 PM
Quote from: Sheridan on November 12, 2006, 07:53:56 PM
The sort who think a release now is better because they'll have it sooner, with no regard for any code that may or may not be implemented, or any glaring bugs/errors that may or may not have been fixed. :rolleyes
Ah yes... "release-day customers"... the new euphemism for "beta testers"
And just what are you implying there? :P
*is currently officially private-betatesting
Neotokyo:Source (http://www.neotokyohq.com/)*
Quote from: Sheridan on November 13, 2006, 11:15:33 AM
Quote from: Sid on November 12, 2006, 08:10:25 PM
Quote from: Sheridan on November 12, 2006, 07:53:56 PM
The sort who think a release now is better because they'll have it sooner, with no regard for any code that may or may not be implemented, or any glaring bugs/errors that may or may not have been fixed. :rolleyes
Ah yes... "release-day customers"... the new euphemism for "beta testers"
And just what are you implying there? :P
*is currently officially private-betatesting Neotokyo:Source (http://www.neotokyohq.com/)*
At least it's not
The Burning Crusade...
(http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/1394/1163463203739zo6.jpg)
IT'S GOING TO CRUSH US ALL
Profit.
http://www.joystiq.com/2006/11/14/some-dude-is-reselling-100-ps3s-gonna-get-paid/
Quote from: fakelike on November 14, 2006, 11:02:45 PMProfit.
http://www.joystiq.com/2006/11/14/some-dude-is-reselling-100-ps3s-gonna-get-paid/
I can only lol to that... If I was on his place I'd sell them all, not keep a single one and then buy something more useful, which is likely what he's going to do anyway
Quote from: fakelike on November 14, 2006, 11:02:45 PM
Profit.
http://www.joystiq.com/2006/11/14/some-dude-is-reselling-100-ps3s-gonna-get-paid/
O______________________o
(He should stockpile and burn them all in front of Sony HQ, just to see if Hirai and Kutaragi jump into the flames, trying to save a few... :D)
Ah yes, because burning $60,000 worth of electronics is a good use of funds...
Quote from: Darkmoon on November 15, 2006, 10:43:27 AM
Ah yes, because burning $60,000 worth of electronics is a good use of funds...
Depends on
a) whether you have a buyer
b) the electronics in question
Remember: we are talking about PS3's here.
Yes, you have buyers a-plenty, but do you really want to inflict a PS3 on them?
Quote from: Vidar on November 15, 2006, 10:53:36 AM
Quote from: Darkmoon on November 15, 2006, 10:43:27 AM
Ah yes, because burning $60,000 worth of electronics is a good use of funds...
Remember: we are talking about PS3's here.
Yes, you have buyers a-plenty, but do you really want to inflict a PS3 on them?
I'm sure you could do something useful with the laser diodes.
Quote from: Darkmoon on November 15, 2006, 10:43:27 AM
Ah yes, because burning $60,000 worth of electronics is a good use of funds...
If Kaz and Ken jump in and we get it on video, those 60k would be an investment, soon to be overshadowed by the profit generated by the movie ;)
Well you figure, conservatively, each PS3 resold generates a double in investment, that's 12 stacks of high society right there. Depending on what you do with the video afterwards, sure, maybe you can generate that, but, would you really want to burn 120gs and take that chance?
Seems like a pretty good investment. With how pittifully few consoles there are and the Internet's ability to hook you up with the crazies, someone is going to pay.
Still, I'm not going to dismiss the PS3 entirely. Console launch is always crazy.
(Though I'm still not going to get one for at least a year)
I just heard this from someone just now, but supposedly the ps3 controllers are all wireless and have no way of being recharged without opening up the controller... and I've had to open controllers before. it can get messy and difficult to put back together again at times. But it's not just that, opening the controller usually means bye bye warranty, and i'll bet it does here too. GENIUS FROM THE FOLKS WHO BRING YOU EXPLODING LAPTOP BATTERIES :D
...Which would mean you'd either have to keep buying new controllers (that is, if there's some last minute policy change, which is bound to happen considering it's sony we're talking about but I won't consider it that much yet) or void your warranty... Interesting... Unless there's some other magic way of doing this.
edited to keep everything together
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on November 16, 2006, 12:44:13 AM
I just heard this from someone just now, but supposedly the ps3 controllers are all wireless and have no way of being recharged without opening up the controller... and I've had to open controllers before. it can get messy and difficult to put back together again at times. But it's not just that, opening the controller usually means bye bye warranty, and i'll bet it does here too. GENIUS FROM THE FOLKS WHO BRING YOU EXPLODING LAPTOP BATTERIES :D
...Which would mean you'd either have to keep buying new controllers (that is, if there's some last minute policy change, which is bound to happen considering it's sony we're talking about but I won't consider it that much yet) or void your warranty... Interesting... Unless there's some other magic way of doing this.
That sounds colossally retarded, even for Sony. Well, it is Sony... but I still don't think even they could be that monumentally stupid.
...unless of course the controllers run on some sort of God-like everlasting battery that just keeps going and going and going and going...
Not sure. but the fact that replacing the battery potentially means kissing the warranty goodbye (unless thre's some exception), i'm not sure how much it's worth it to replace them. I kind of prefer wired controllers anyway.
I can't imagine that the PS3 won't have ports to plug in other controllers. (like racing yokes) Unless they went and changed the interface design and protocols going from PS2 to PS3, my controllers from the previous two consoles will be seeing use.
Of course, I have no plans to aquire a PS3; atleast, not until late 2007. (FFXIII)
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on November 16, 2006, 12:44:13 AM
I just heard this from someone just now, but supposedly the ps3 controllers are all wireless and have no way of being recharged without opening up the controller... and I've had to open controllers before. it can get messy and difficult to put back together again at times. But it's not just that, opening the controller usually means bye bye warranty, and i'll bet it does here too. GENIUS FROM THE FOLKS WHO BRING YOU EXPLODING LAPTOP BATTERIES :D
Actually, no. I'm working from memory here, but I'm very certain that the controller can be recharged by hooking it up to an USB port. The whole "open controller" issue is when the battery is actually dead (to the degree of not being able to hold a charge for more than a few hours or minutes). Sony has said it would offer some way to prevent people from buying new controllers all the time, but they didn't say more about it (so either they start selling replacement batteries or make you send in the controller and some money for the new battery). On the other hand, that is a vague promise coming from the same company that promised a worldwide November launch.
Quote from: Reese Tora on November 16, 2006, 02:38:39 AM
I can't imagine that the PS3 won't have ports to plug in other controllers. (like racing yokes) Unless they went and changed the interface design and protocols going from PS2 to PS3, my controllers from the previous two consoles will be seeing use.
From what I read, it actually doesn't have native ports for that. However, those "PS2 -> PC USB" adapters seem to work. But there are still some problems, as has been mentioned in http://ps3.ign.com/articles/745/745329p1.html
Quote from: Sid on November 16, 2006, 06:11:17 AM
Actually, no. I'm working from memory here, but I'm very certain that the controller can be recharged by hooking it up to an USB port. The whole "open controller" issue is when the battery is actually dead (to the degree of not being able to hold a charge for more than a few hours or minutes). Sony has said it would offer some way to prevent people from buying new controllers all the time, but they didn't say more about it (so either they start selling replacement batteries or make you send in the controller and some money for the new battery). On the other hand, that is a vague promise coming from the same company that promised a worldwide November launch.
Good info... But I still don't trust them to have that >.>
They're recharged by being plugged in. They will function just the same when plugged into the mahine as when they are wireless.
Sony has already gone on record stating that when the battery dies, you can still use the controller by using it wired. At this time, I have not heard of any policy about replacement batteries, unless you're looking to buy a new controller.
Quote from: Darkmoon on November 16, 2006, 07:19:05 AM
Sony has already gone on record stating that when the battery dies, you can still use the controller by using it wired. At this time, I have not heard of any policy about replacement batteries, unless you're looking to buy a new controller.
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=20528
Of course, this might have been a damage-control move. Since the controller manual actually tells you how to change the battery, some speculate that this replacement service might come in the form of "Buy official PLAYSTATION 3 SIXASIS controller batteries" (God, I hate Sony's all-caps rule with their names).
I'll probably get a ps3 at some point down the line if game production stays strong and the price levels off.
one of the reasons I bought my ps2 was so that I won't need a dvd player
the ps3 will be a blue ray player (I've been waiting for the shift to blue light for years ever since I read about the storage boost from the shorter wavelength)
I know the Wii won't have any video (or atleast high end) capabilities
and I don't know about the 360 (but I do wanna play dead rising so bad....)
one of most interesting analogies I heard about the consol wars was that the machines are comperable to cars
The Wii i going to be a fun little ride like a minicooper, or vw bug, something anyone can have fun with. (though I love there comercial for red steel)
The 360 will have everything most gamers would want and would be a work horse car like a ford f150 or the like
and the PS3 with all it's high end electronics and high pricetage is like a formula one race car realy nice but more then most people would need to go for a gallon of milk
sorry to yammer
on the battery issue, that's why I like Nintendo. it runs off, you'll likely find a replacement a few hundred meters away from your house. The PS3 SIXAXIS battery dies, start looking everywhere because prioritary replacement parts are heck to find.
btw, US launch is due tomorrow. what we'll have? crazed gamers happy to burn 600 bucks or illegal mexican immigrants on the line to buy a PS3 for someone else who wants to sell for an atrociuos price? place your bets >:3
and TGH, I'm not betting on Blu-Ray, but not betting on HD-DVD either. from its launch to mainstream acceptance, it took over 4 years for the DVD.
and then both for having two formats trying to gain market as well as both formats having a far smaller advantage over the DVD compared to DVD's advantage over VHS, I think the transfer from DVD to the Blu-Ray or HD-DVD would take too long.
and likely more than enough time for the Holographic discs with max capacity of 1TB to launch for the home user and crush them both. regardless, I think this slow transfer may do PS3 more harm than good. PS2 launched when DVDs were becoming all the rage, which is a lot different than PS3, which is launching on the Blu-Ray's early days
Quotebtw, US launch is due tomorrow. what we'll have? crazed gamers happy to burn 600 bucks or illegal mexican immigrants on the line to buy a PS3 for someone else who wants to sell for an atrociuos price? place your bets
Damn, the system costs 600 immigrants? That's a pretty hefty exchange rate.
Quote from: Jack McSlay on November 16, 2006, 12:19:47 PM
and TGH, I'm not betting on Blu-Ray, but not betting on HD-DVD either. from its launch to mainstream acceptance, it took over 4 years for the DVD.
and then both for having two formats trying to gain market as well as both formats having a far smaller advantage over the DVD compared to DVD's advantage over VHS, I think the transfer from DVD to the Blu-Ray or HD-DVD would take too long.
and likely more than enough time for the Holographic discs with max capacity of 1TB to launch for the home user and crush them both. regardless, I think this slow transfer may do PS3 more harm than good. PS2 launched when DVDs were becoming all the rage, which is a lot different than PS3, which is launching on the Blu-Ray's early days
While blue ray is the obviously superior format in terms of copy protection and storage capacity, HD-DVD will be cheaper to implement for companies.
Consider Betamax; it all comes down to what people buy.
the only way i'll buy another game console is if they stop making games for my current consoles- GBA & PS2.
I'm hoping to get a DS for X-mas with Pokemon Ranger and KH2 (not likely)
ps3 to me is just a reason for my cousins to tease me when they buy one -_-
Quote from: Darkmoon on November 16, 2006, 12:27:28 PM
Damn, the system costs 600 immigrants? That's a pretty hefty exchange rate.
Well, once you've sold your own soul, you have to start selling other peoples'..
Quote from: Reese Tora on November 16, 2006, 12:31:21 PM
While blue ray is the obviously superior format in terms of copy protection and storage capacity, HD-DVD will be cheaper to implement for companies.
Consider Betamax; it all comes down to what people buy.
I haven't been paying a huge amount of attention to the blue laser formats. What do you mean by 'superior in terms of copy protection'? Superior for the media giants, or for us?
Quote from: Reese Tora on November 16, 2006, 12:31:21 PM
Quote from: Jack McSlay on November 16, 2006, 12:19:47 PMWhile blue ray is the obviously superior format in terms of copy protection and storage capacity, HD-DVD will be cheaper to implement for companies.
Consider Betamax; it all comes down to what people buy.
I never really understood the point of trying to apply copyright protection to streaming media. when it comes to games it obviously works because it's fully interactive, but on a movie you can simply stick a recording device on the player's output and retrieve all the data in it regardless of what protection there is, and with some patience you can rip all the extras, audio languages and redo the subs and have a copy that has everything but the nifty menus
Quote from: Tapewolf on November 16, 2006, 12:45:47 PM
Quote from: Darkmoon on November 16, 2006, 12:27:28 PM
Damn, the system costs 600 immigrants? That's a pretty hefty exchange rate.
Well, once you've sold your own soul, you have to start selling other peoples'..
Quote from: Reese Tora on November 16, 2006, 12:31:21 PM
While blue ray is the obviously superior format in terms of copy protection and storage capacity, HD-DVD will be cheaper to implement for companies.
Consider Betamax; it all comes down to what people buy.
I haven't been paying a huge amount of attention to the blue laser formats. What do you mean by 'superior in terms of copy protection'? Superior for the media giants, or for us?
Media giants. They were able to add in more features with Blue-Ray, last I had heard. Both are near crippled by the copy-protects though, to be honest.
Quote from: Tapewolf on November 16, 2006, 12:45:47 PM
Quote from: Darkmoon on November 16, 2006, 12:27:28 PM
Damn, the system costs 600 immigrants? That's a pretty hefty exchange rate.
Well, once you've sold your own soul, you have to start selling other peoples'..
Quote from: Reese Tora on November 16, 2006, 12:31:21 PM
While blue ray is the obviously superior format in terms of copy protection and storage capacity, HD-DVD will be cheaper to implement for companies.
Consider Betamax; it all comes down to what people buy.
I haven't been paying a huge amount of attention to the blue laser formats. What do you mean by 'superior in terms of copy protection'? Superior for the media giants, or for us?
As DM said, the corporations. It comes down to blueray will be more difficult to copy than high definition than HD-DVD, because it requires significant re-tooling. HD-DVD is an extension of DVD, and uses the same equipment with minor re-tooling. The cost of re-tooling will apply to pirates as well, and the distribution of Blueray can be kept exclusive to keep pirates from being able to convert over cheaply, wheras they can just as easily re-tool thier DVD hardware to pirate HD-DVD.
The DRM for Blueray is actually one of the major reasons that it's been delayed so much in release; they've been having trouble deciding on the exact format.
And this delay in the release anf manufacture of Blue-ray is supposed to be one of the major reasons that the PS3 has such a small initial shipment volume. (hey, look, back on topic D: )
The PS3 Launch made it into my local paper today (and they agree - the Wii may not be as powerful graphically, but it's more fun.)
one (http://www1.pressdemocrat.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061116/NEWS/611160331&SearchID=73263158137948")
two (http://www1.pressdemocrat.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061116/NEWS/611160303&SearchID=73263158009012")
*edited by Damaris for stretch of doom on bitty screens*
Chatlogs ftw. Post rated
R[/i] like the rest of this forum, for some mild language and extreme stupidity. :P
Quote[Fri 07:39am] [Bongo|] oh man
[Fri 07:39am] [Bongo|] I was going to go to bed
[Fri 07:39am] [Bongo|] but watching the PS3 launch horror is way more fun
[Fri 07:39am] [Bongo|] people are getting beat the fuck up over this
[Fri 07:40am] [eon] silly.
[Fri 07:40am] [eon] so silly.
[Fri 07:42am] [Bongo|] it's fucking chaos out there
[Fri 07:42am] [Bongo|] I'm tempted to drive to my local best buy to check out the fights and mobs
[Fri 07:43am] [Bongo|] I went to the Canoga Park, Ca Best Buy, we were told we could line up at 12:01 am, till then we waited off the property on the sidewalk, made a list of names in order we arrived, and at midnight queued up. about 4am a guy inside opens the shutters says we have to get out till 8am. Back to our sidewalk we go.
[Fri 07:43am] [Bongo|] By the time 6am rolls around we are informed it will be a sprint to see who gets what spot in line.
[Fri 07:43am] [Bongo|] We had 200 people at a full sprint, 1 guy in his 50s or so i'd assume took a hard faceplant in the jostling that occurred during the run, his face was destroyed. His son also went down, 2 broken fingers was what it looked like but who knows. 2 others went down hard but seemed not too much worse for the wear.
[Fri 07:43am] [Bongo|] Once we got to the wall, people tried to get in a VERY tight single file line against the wall so nobody could squeeze in and steal their spots, the latecomers charged into the line as hard as they could to free a crack to get into, while others that had gotten their first were body slammed into the walls with pretty substantial first (there were children included in this group)
[Fri 07:43am] [Bongo|] Even the cops (they kept a close on us during the night being on the sidewalk and all) that were there for this fiasco called the manager an idiot and suggested mailing corporate offices about this mess.
[Fri 07:46am] [eon] oh best buy.... so glad I joined thee...
[Fri 07:46am] [Bongo|] black friday is going to be so much worse, I'm telling you man
[Fri 07:46am] [Bongo|] it's going to be like this
[Fri 07:46am] [eon] probably
[Fri 07:46am] [eon] there's still wii launch too
[Fri 07:46am] [Bongo|] + hick moms wondering "WHY DON'T YOU HAVE ANY PS3?"
[Fri 07:46am] [Bongo|] the wii launch'll be tame
[Fri 07:46am] [Bongo|] there isn't a shortage of units for that
[Fri 07:47am] [eon] true
[Fri 07:47am] [eon] and people won't be able to make as much on ebay
[Fri 07:48am] [Bongo|] people won't make much off the ps3 either think
[Fri 07:48am] [Bongo|] I think it's like 80 percent of those in line want one to sell
[Fri 07:49am] [Bongo|] here come the stories
[Fri 07:49am] [Bongo|] This is too good. The Wal Mart at West bend, WI had way more campers than it did PS3s to sell. The friendly staff's solution? They decided to use their collective noggins and, rather than hold some sort of raffle or ballot, had a race. With a big, metal pole right in the middle of the "track".
[Fri 07:49am] [Bongo|] What happens next? Yes, that's right. Hilarity ensues. One guy smacks into the pole so hard you hear the "whump", then people start going down all around him. It's chaos. Once the dust settles, the "victim" (ie, the dude who smacked into the pole), despite having a dislocated jaw, manages to give the awesomest, lithpiest interview of the year, in which he lets fly with accusations of foul play. And the "accused"? Well, "he's contac
[Fri 07:49am] [Bongo|] An Elk Grove Gamestop store was robbed at gunpoint this morning, the two gunmen making off with four PS3s and four 360s.
[Fri 07:49am] [Bongo|] Local police contacted nearby stores and warned them to "keep an eye out for anything suspicious". What, like crowds of grown men waiting in a line outdoors for days, on the brink of winter, for a video games console? Yeah, that's normal.
[Fri 07:49am] [Bongo|] No word yet on any leads, but anyone in the area trying to sell a 360 for $30,000 should be treated with extreme caution....Luke Plunkett
[Fri 07:49am] [Bongo|] PREGGERS(I promise that this is the last insane PlayStation 3 line-up story I personally will post today—the rest of the crew will hold it down, posting news about humans acting like animals for a video game console. After that, I'm squirreling away to the Best Buy in West Hollywood to watch the midnight launch festivities go down. Keep in mind, I'm not getting a PS3 tonight, so don't be jealous. But look for me. I'll be the guy wi
[Fri 07:49am] [Bongo|] According to the AP there is a pregnant woman in line at a Mount Laurel, New Jersey Circuit City. She's also having contractions. She's also staying in line until she gets a PlayStation 3. Who can compete with nutjobs like this?
[Fri 07:49am] [Bongo|] Nine months pregnant, Julie Mosley said she tried to ignore her contractions for the chance to score machines for her family, her daughter's father and her younger brother.
[Fri 07:49am] [eon] just read that one
[Fri 07:49am] [eon] that's just sick
[Fri 07:50am] [Bongo|] people are goddamn stupid
[Fri 07:50am] [Bongo|] "You want a PS3? PUNCH THIS PORCUPINE. OR NO PS3."
Watched the PS3 launch in NY last night on Gamespot, I'd say more than half, if not 2/3rd of the people said they were going to resell, a couple just wanted to see the performances, and the other 1/3, probably lied. :P
It's the great 'rush to get a PS3 to rush to resell at a huge mark-up' time! D: Real gamers getting screwed over left and right, as if 600 was not steep enough, and this sh*t is going to be regionless, so they will have the entire globe grabbing for a PS3, seeing as the non NA or ASIA regions will have to wait until after christmas for this.....
BOTCHED
some of that chat log is cut off due to the size of single lines... I'm not sure we'll ever know everything now >.>
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on November 17, 2006, 06:07:51 PM
some of that chat log is cut off due to the size of single lines... I'm not sure we'll ever know everything now >.>
I think most of it is actually quoting from a news article that was unlinked somewhere.
I thought that maybe retailers would learn from the Japan launch and do things right, but I was wrong.
(News Link) http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15764297/
This wins most commendable ebay item.
Ebay Link (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&sspagename=STRK%3AMESC%3AIT&viewitem=&item=330050346981&rd=1&rd=1)
Maybe, but for fuck sake, for 1500+ a game, those better be great fuckin games.
Quote from: fakelike on November 18, 2006, 01:23:26 AM
I thought that maybe retailers would learn from the Japan launch and do things right, but I was wrong.
(News Link) http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15764297/
I have to say, out of all the store chains, Best Buy seem to have handled the event the best by the looks of it.
:rolleyes
Some people.
Quote100% FOR CHARITY 2 Sony PlayStation 3 PS3 Games + BONUS
yeah right :U
I had heard of there being some riots and use of guns... Buying a PS3 somehow just seems evil now. Not that I'd be buying one anytime soon. The majority of people in Australia who'd want one won't be able to afford it easily.
Though, that being said, when it comes to launch time here, I might sneak down to the local shopping centre and take a quick look on at the chaos.
last I heard one man was shot twice while standing in line... it wasn't by people wanting one though it was by a pair f men trying to rob the people in line.
Which makes sense I mean if they are camping out for a ps3 they have to have atleast 500 on them
Quote from: thegayhare on November 18, 2006, 10:15:41 AMWhich makes sense I mean if they are camping out for a ps3 they have to have atleast 500 on them
Unless they're paying by card.
Quote from: Sheridan on November 18, 2006, 07:51:25 PM
Quote from: thegayhare on November 18, 2006, 10:15:41 AMWhich makes sense I mean if they are camping out for a ps3 they have to have atleast 500 on them
Unless they're paying by card.
True, but those were potential victims of those who stalked PS3 owners and broke into their car when they weren't looking: Read story here (http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/ps3-launch/best-buy-smash-n-grab-215504.php)
Sony SHOULD have done one or more of the following:
1) Allowed stores to set their own prices to meet the demand. It's better if people pay a reputable business $1500 than a scalper that same amount. The high price would also make it less desirable to scalpers as a cash cow. Artificial price supression always causes problems, let the demand determine the price and things will run smoothly.
2) Delayed the launch. They just do not have enough of the product to have a smooth launch. There is no shame in admitting that you miscalculated the rate of production. Okay there is some shame, but less than launching with so few systems that they are being resold for five time the price. There is more than a month until Christmas, so they can push back the launchdate considerably and still have it out in time to fill little Jimmy's stocking.
However, it has become apparent, recently, that whoever is in charge of coordinating PS3 publicity is either inept or arrogant. I doubt there was ever any chance of them publicly admitting they made a mistake on any aspect of the launch.
Quote from: Evil.Iguana on November 19, 2006, 05:40:10 PM
However, it has become apparent, recently, that whoever is in charge of coordinating PS3 publicity is either inept or arrogant. I doubt there was ever any chance of them publicly admitting they made a mistake on any aspect of the launch.
Truth.
Quote from: Darkmoon on November 19, 2006, 07:46:43 PM
Quote from: Evil.Iguana on November 19, 2006, 05:40:10 PM
However, it has become apparent, recently, that whoever is in charge of coordinating PS3 publicity is either inept or arrogant. I doubt there was ever any chance of them publicly admitting they made a mistake on any aspect of the launch.
Truth.
Yay somone agrees with something I said! Seriously though, I'm not totally anti Sony like so many people seem to be. I don't think they are entirely evil or attempting to screw people over for shits and giggles. But I do know that incompetance and arrogance exist, and that even the largest most successful corporations can shoot themselves in the foot when they succumb to them. Example ensues.
The company my dad works for (was SMS) was bought out by Siemens a couple years back. Siemens is one of the world's largest companies, huge German conglomerate. Well they basically said to hell with the way the Americans were doing things and forced a lot of really stupid policies through the pipe. Long story short, they pissed off their biggest customers by discontinuing all support for the reliable if aging software product they were currently selling and introduced a radical new product that was nowhere near being ready for actual use. They were eventually forced to come to terms with the facts and rethink their strategy with the cusomer in mind. Key points: The American healthcare system is not the same as the German healthcare system and no medical database software will change that; Customers want software that works correctly and interfaces with the hardware and software they already have, all the fancy features and options in the world will not help if the product does not work.
It will be interesting to see how Sony is affected by their current troubles. I don't know how much, if at all, the average consumer is affected by the PR screwups and launch shenanigans surrounding the PS3. The bigger question will probably be whether most people are willing to pay more than 500 USD for a fancy gaming system. It remains to be seen whether their calculations about the Blue-Ray are accurate or just wishful thinking.
Quote from: Evil.Iguana on November 19, 2006, 05:40:10 PMI doubt there was ever any chance of them publicly admitting they made a mistake on any aspect of the launch.
I question if they'd ever admit error in any aspect of the PS3... sony's arguments over these months trying to favor the PS3 were just lame.
oh, for the record, it seems sony pulld just a bit over 250k, with Wii nearing 700k already, apparently the few remaining units are being sold as we speak
http://nexgenwars.com
Quote from: Jack McSlay on November 20, 2006, 06:54:13 PM
Quote from: Evil.Iguana on November 19, 2006, 05:40:10 PMI doubt there was ever any chance of them publicly admitting they made a mistake on any aspect of the launch.
I question if they'd ever admit error in any aspect of the PS3... sony's arguments over these months trying to favor the PS3 were just lame.
oh, for the record, it seems sony pulld just a bit over 250k, with Wii nearing 700k already, apparently the few remaining units are being sold as we speak
http://nexgenwars.com
Impressive. I hadn't realised quite how many X360's had sold, but the PS3 is sorely outmatched by the looks of things.
Hmm, wii hits 1/10th of 360 in it's first few days, I guess that's thanks to it actually having STOCK. but it is a far way to go to make up for MSs head start, interesting link BTW. :)
which leads meto think... if Sony doesn't release their next batches of consoles real soon, they'll be in a really tight spot.
Assuming that wii will have similar outcomes in Japan and Europe, that gives around 2M units, which is about 8 times PS3's current selling numbers.
Hmm. PS3s have freezing problems. I've heard 4 individual counts of PS3 demo machines freezing up, two of which were in the same store, both frozen. I've heard a couple or so counts of peoples' PS3s freezing on them too.
The PS3 also has backwards-compatibility issues. And I'm positive that won't be the last of the problems.
ssince whan has any of playstation's console's release not been a disaster.
The first Playstation launch. Beyond that though, the Playstation2, PSX (DVR/PS2 combo), and Playstation Portable all had disastrous launches. The one that needs to be examined though is the Playstation2.
The Playstation Portable, as is, is already dead. UMD support is gone from most major retailers, sales flatlined, and the DS is so far ahead there is no shred of competition left. If we want to say so, the Playstation Portable is/was Sony's Virtual Boy.
The Playstation2, however, had several advantages going for it that made up for the dearth of games. The first advantage was the lack of competition as Sony strong-armed developers and publishers away from the Sega Dreamcast, manufacturing a scenario where the Dreamcast could not match compelling content offers. In the case of the Playstation3, Sony cannot strong-arm either Microsoft or Nintendo, nor keep 3rd party developers from either competitor. The result is that the Playstation3 must match compelling content with compelling content offers from both the Xbox 360 and the Wii.
The second advantage the Playstation2 had was DVD support. DVD was popular because it offered a clearly superior alternative to VHS cassettes. The Playstation2 was, at the time of release, one of the cheapest DVD players available, which helped move units off the shelves. In the case of the Playstation3, the mass market consumer doesn't have a clue what Blu-Ray is, and as Sony's Playstation3 is the highest quantity Blu-Ray player available, there is no demand for the format. Coupled with the fact that Blu-Ray does not offer a clearly superior format to the vast majority of movie watchers, it is not a selling point. Basically, with DVD, Sony rode on the coattails of the format. With Blu-Ray, Sony is trying to ride the format on the coattails of the console. That... doesn't work (CD-I anybody?)
Basically, the point is that while Sony's three major releases in between the Playstation and Playstation3 have been disasters, two of the products have outright flopped, while the product with extenuating factors succeeded.
The problem gets even worse if you look at Sony overall. Over the course of the Playstation and Playstation2, Sony Corporate was making a profit. As of the final fiscal quarter of 2005, only two segments of Sony posted a profit. UMD Licensing, and the LCD/TV segment. With UMD out of the market, Sony's financial position hasn't gotten any better.
Long story short, Sony is bankrupt, and without the artificial market conditions that allowed the Playstation2 to succeed, it is very likely that we are witnessing the death of Sony right now.
Do what I do..Wait a year and wait for price drop and bugs fixed..Stupid assholes...Killing for a piece of plastic...
Wow, very nice analysis.
One thing I have to add, is that there is apparently a Blu-Ray drive in development for the XBox 360. Granted, I'm sure it won't be cheap, but it'll sure as hell be cheaper than the PS3.
But what's this about the PSX? Normally PSX refers to the original Playstation, with PS1 referring specifically to the smaller version of the first one. I believe it's even how the illegal games are labelled for download... not that I'd know anything about that, of course.
They muddied the waters when they released the PS2 woth a DVR combo. They started calling the layStation (which had been refered to as the PSX) the PSOne, and called the PS2 + DVR PSX... stupidity.
As far as I was aware, the first model playstation was PSX and the second model was PSone... How many times do they change names?
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on November 24, 2006, 04:53:44 AM
As far as I was aware, the first model playstation was PSX and the second model was PSone... How many times do they change names?
Till the end of time and the seas boil of fatty acids!
It was, which is where the confusion kicked in. The named the upgraded PS2 PSX when they made and released the PSOne... as I said, stupidity.
The only way I can really see the PS3 making money is if Sony accounces a Kingdom Hearts 3 in the works for it. Fangirls would do anything to play it.
Quote from: RJ on November 24, 2006, 08:51:57 AM
The only way I can really see the PS3 making money is if Sony accounces a Kingdom Hearts 3 in the works for it. Fangirls would do anything to play it.
Even more so, if sony spreads a rumor about a possible shonen-ai thing with Sephiroth in the game.
After all, FF7 + fangirl == Sephiroth + (shonen-ai / yaoi).
Even if they did, I'm still not buying the
George Foreman GrillPS3.
QuoteOne thing I have to add, is that there is apparently a Blu-Ray drive in development for the XBox 360. Granted, I'm sure it won't be cheap, but it'll sure as hell be cheaper than the PS3.
While the drive combo might be cheaper separately, it won't be overall. Keep in mind that the Xbox 360 HD-DVD drive retails for $199 (US). If you got the Pro-Bundled version of the Xbox 360 you also shelled out about $400. That means that an Xbox 360 with an HD-DVD drive is going to run you around $600, the same as the premium package of the Playstation3. With the Core Bundle, you'd have shelled out $500, again, same as a baseline Playstation3.
What needs to be understood about the Xbox 360 drive is that it is a bone-stock HD-DVD drive mounted in a fancy case. There really is no development that needs to be done other than writing the movie software and drivers for the console. The same will apply if Microsoft decides to release a Blu-Ray drive for the Xbox 360, it will probably just be a bone-stock off the shelf Blu-Ray drive with custom software for the Xbox 360.
The catch is that Microsoft can play both sides of the game. If HD-DVD wins, they have a drive, and if Blu-Ray wins, they can support that as well. Right now though, Microsoft is betting on HD-DVD (that whole part in the specification that you have full rights to rip a copy of an HD-DVD disc really is popular with consumers) to win.
Xbox 360 HD-DVD-Drive : http://www.gamestop.com/product.asp?product%5Fid=802558
Xbox 360 Systems : http://www.gamestop.com/search.asp?N=133+83
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on November 24, 2006, 04:53:44 AM
As far as I was aware, the first model playstation was PSX and the second model was PSone... How many times do they change names?
The quick answer is to sell consoles. Many of Sony's Televised ads banked on the Play-Sta-Tion and the building of the Playstation logo in three parts. Sony also knew that the term PSX had gained traction with it's targeted audience as a way to Shorten the name Playstation. The intent by Sony was to foster a name recognition. Consumers would think PSX, a term they were familiar with, and give the new product a go.
However...
okay, at this point I'm being called away from the keyboard.... I'll finish up talking about the PSX later if you want. Anyways, long story short, Sony over-promised, under-delivered, and never brought the product to the US.
Quote from: je.saist on November 24, 2006, 10:53:04 AM
While the drive combo might be cheaper separately, it won't be overall. Keep in mind that the Xbox 360 HD-DVD drive retails for $199 (US). If you got the Pro-Bundled version of the Xbox 360 you also shelled out about $400. That means that an Xbox 360 with an HD-DVD drive is going to run you around $600, the same as the premium package of the Playstation3. With the Core Bundle, you'd have shelled out $500, again, same as a baseline Playstation3.
Yeah, but the 360 HD-DVD drive apparently also works when you plug it into a PC, so you could hop onto the HD bandwagon for only $199 without buying the X360, assuming that your PC is up to it.
Given that Sony markets the PS3 as a cheap HD-generation player, the 200 Dollar HD-DVD drive suddenly looks like an even cheaper alternative for all those who already got a good gaming PC and a large monitor.
Edit to add a quickly googled link: http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=325&type=expert&pid=3
but aren't actual PC HD-DVD players available out there? I don't think you need to something weird with a X360 Hd-DVD player and a PC to play movies.
tho I think the goal was just to add X360 HD capability, and the PC copatibility is a bonus, not to mention kicking sony in the balls by doffering something that kills tha only solid advantage the PS3 had over X360.
Quote from: Jack McSlay on November 24, 2006, 11:59:29 AM
but aren't actual PC HD-DVD players available out there? I don't think you need to something weird with a X360 Hd-DVD player and a PC to play movies.
tho I think the goal was just to add X360 HD capability, and the PC copatibility is a bonus, not to mention kicking sony in the balls by doffering something that kills tha only solid advantage the PS3 had over X360.
Well, I made the statement without checking prices (or availability) of regular HD-DVD drives, so I honestly don't know the prices of PC drives that offer HD-DVD. I think the main points are that you get the most for your money with it and that the "Yeah, but you need a costy bundle, too!" argument has a fairly large hole.
You get a drive that gives potential HD-DVD playback on the X360, the PC, the Mac (even though it had been unclear whether or not there is a player for HD-DVDs already, at least last time I checked), laptops, and whatever else you want. Not even to mention that you got a mobile drive for tons of regular (non-movie) data, even though you'd need a HD-DVD burner to use that feature completely :P
So PC users get a nice, portable drive while X360 users can opt to play the movies on a PC (freeing up the console for games) and don't have to spend twice the money just to have HD-DVD on the computer, too.