As many know...I use Photoshop to colour the comics and well as most of my work. It's a good program...I like to think I have an average grasp of its abilities...though obviously I lack proper training to use it to its full potential. Then again it seems that the main times I use Photoshop in ways that my actual classes taught me...I am doing something like photoshopping cars into different colours or whatnot.
Anyways...there is oftentimes a particular glitch that will occur at random. Every now and then when I click on something, be it the colour gradient or the levels window, it will trigger the help function to start opening up in multiple windows. Sometimes it only does five...but every now and then it will keep cycling until it causes Photoshop to lock up.
This time it was the latter. And that is why the comic will be a couple hours late.
Yeah, anyone that know what's going on and how to avoid this, please post. Because this happens to me too. And it's damn annoying.
Argh, that sounds a little bit like the few times my mouse goes nuts and translates a single physical click into a series of clicking events (occasionally leading to mass-closing of tabs and other "fun" things).
Hope you eventually manage to figure out what's causing this, it doesn't sound pretty O_o
Ninja-quasi-edit:
Zina, too? What versions are you two using? Maybe a patch (to 9.0.2 for example) addresses this... I dunno if that's a "Duh, I did that already" case, but if you haven't done so already, maybe take a look at the Photoshop Downloads page (http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/product.jsp?product=39&platform=Windows) to hunt down the latest patch for your version. It might help.
Sorry for not being more helpful, but I'm no PS user myself, so I never encountered this sort of error personally... and that makes troubleshooting kinda hard ^^;
Need the precise version and revision level of Photoshop used. (Click Help and About to get that.)
Lots of times thought it ISN'T the program; it is a bad mouse with a short inside.
Mine's 7.0. I doubt it's a fault mouse, considering I've never had issues with something being clicked 20+ times on anything other than photoshop. And as far as I can tell, it's completly random. =/
I used to have photoshop, but it was wiped off the hard drive along with several other apps after a virus... while I had it, I never encountered the problem. could it just be a setting that you can turn on/off that makes the windows pop up?
I have CS2 and it does it too. What I've generally ascertained is that one of the functions you've tried to use is clicked in such a way that Photoshop either doesn't like or, if you accidentally hit like alt or cntrl (never have noticed what specifically does it), somehow it decides you're a retard and need help (kinda like window's help balloons).
Whatever the case, it then hits the help function. If you click a lot, it opens it a lot. Aggrivating and stupid, I know.
I'm preeeeetty certain that Photoshop would not include a feature of "send dozens of the same help window to cause total computer lockup" in their package. :U
I had the same issue with Photoshop 6, and it still happens in CS.
Another thing I've noticed since I've gotten Photoshops on Windows XP is that it has a tendency to reset my defaults every now and then. Not major...but it is annoying since I have to go through and reclick all things to not have anti-alias.
But yeah...the help popup thing I am starting to suspect is a glitch that happens primarily in PC versions of Photoshop since Mac's tend to not have the issue that I am aware of. But who knows. It's very rare that it happens...but it still makes me go "wtf? :B"
[edit] Oh. Managed to get the comic done. So not too terrible a delay. yay me.[/edit]
It is a PC issue, last I have found. Macs don't have that issue. That's probably because the keyboard-mouse combo that activates the glitch can't be performed on a Mac keyboard. Not easily, anyway.
As for the having to reset thing, I have that too. Mostly it happens when Photoshop is improperly shut down somehow (but not when it crashes, oddly).
Quote from: Amber Panyko on October 26, 2006, 11:28:04 PM
I'm preeeeetty certain that Photoshop would not include a feature of "send dozens of the same help window to cause total computer lockup" in their package. :U
no, but most programs like this have a help bubble that pops up when you click on something that you haven't used before (or that the program thinks you haven't used before)... and usually there is an option to turn the help bubbles off
Quote from: Amber Panyko on October 26, 2006, 11:28:04 PM[edit] Oh. Managed to get the comic done. So not too terrible a delay. yay me.[/edit]
[edit] yaaaay! more randomness to help keep me from going insane from boredom! :B ...oh wait, too late for that...
Mine's 7.0.
I don't have that problem-- what I do have is the EPSON scan window opening up again and again after I close it, which is probably not related. Wish I could help.
Odd, I've never run into such a problem in 7 or CS. I'll get a research team right on it.
Have you still had this problem after uninstalling and reinstalling Photoshop, or after a complete reformat?
I don't use Photoshop. do I get a cookie for that?
regardless, It's really strange that a program such a photoshop would carry such a bug from versions 6 through CS. seems more like it's a computer-related thing than a software-related thing. likely not SO-related or processor related, because if it was, would likely have been fixed on CS already.
seems like another program did a certain bit of configuration while installing which confuses PS. the likely way to confirm would be to see if ou can make up a second partition on your HD, install only PS on it, and then use it for a while to see if the problem persists. if the problems goes poof, than it would be slowly installing everything else until you can get a clue of what's causing it.
Could a plug-in be acting up?
I use Photoshop Elements 2.0. When I was going to school we had photoshop 7 and then CS, and I don't remember anyone having a problem with it.
I did have an issue with Adobe Deluxe back in 98 where if I used the Ulead scanner program and then went into Deluxe, Deluxe would crash and would only work after a restart. The two programs just didn't like each other I guess.
Quote from: Ink on October 26, 2006, 11:36:12 PM
Mine's 7.0.
I don't have that problem-- what I do have is the EPSON scan window opening up again and again after I close it, which is probably not related. Wish I could help.
If it happens when your in photoshop it could be the program trying to use the "Import from scanner" option.
mine does this to - its annoying as heck - also use 7.0
Either I'm just forgetful today but I don't think I've had that happen to me before- and I use Photo Elements 2 and CS2.
I used to have Photo Deluxe too years ago, but I don't think I had any problems either (except I hated it).
[Insert animation of a nuclear explosion, and Photoshop still standing unscathed]
Well, I tried my hardest, but I can't get that error. Or any error, for that matter. I can't understand it. I know 100 different ways to make 3D Studio crash (and bring down the system with it), and a few ways to make After Effects implode, but Photoshop isn't even complaining about low system resources or the utter lack of disk space. I don't remember it being built like a tank before...
Dammit, I can't fix it if I can't break it. Then again, my method of fixing programs is usually a complete reformat anyways. Short of that, my advice would be running some kind of registry cleaner, but do so at your own risk. It may result in some nonexistant program complaining about a missing entry every time you start up your computer. It will annoy you forevah!
On the bright side, I discovered a whole lot of nifty tricks. The Alt key is my new friend...
With some more detailed information, I might be able to do a better web search. 'Photoshop glitch "help windows"' returns completely unrelated results. Is there a specific action that's guaranteed to cause the error, every time? Come on folks, lets abuse the hell out of PShop until we find some common circumstance!
DigitalMan, I guess you weren't here for the Great Disk Crash when Amber first went up to Canada.
She's just got a brand new, freshly reformatted machine a month or two ago.
So yes, she's had this issue across reformats. :-)
Well... that sux0rz. I wonder if it has anything to do with legal version versus non-legal... >.>; Unfortunately testing that theory would be quite difficult here, or anywhere for that matter.
Actually, it could have something to do with what sub-version of each version, or what other software is installed. Normally I'd have things like After Effects and Flash and several other programs installed, but this time I don't have much (as for what's taking up all 40GB, I'm still trying to figure that out).
It sucks that I can't get the error myself. I'd be happy to put hours into a veritible debugging operation just to find the cause.
Let's try this; I've got Photoshop CS (version 8.0) on Windows XP Home, Service Pack 2, with a Celeron 2.4GHz processor. I haven't downloaded any of the PShop updates. Is there anyone with the same specs having problems?
This may or may not help.
http://www.photographytalk.net/viewtopic.php?pid=927093
*has never had the problem* >.>
It's not a common problem, but it does happen, in just about every version of Photoshop I've used since 6.0.
I have XP SP2, Photoshop CS2, and an AMD64 +3000 2.0 Ghz.
Darkmoon stole my computer D:
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on October 27, 2006, 03:19:00 PM
Darkmoon stole my computer D:
I'm going to assume that means you also have an AMD processor? Crap, there goes the theory that that might be the cause. It was a damn good theory, too...
Has anyone tried the advice in Skwerly's link, about resetting the preferences? *secretly hopes it doesn't work so he can solve the problem himself*
Solution: go open source. Use GIMP. :superlick
THEN you have to deal with the massive changes in how you run the program... then there are app-specific things you have to worry about...
Quote from: Vidar on October 27, 2006, 04:13:48 PM
Solution: go open source. Use GIMP. :superlick
Or you could use a DECENT program.
If that's your whole suggestion, then get the hell out of the topic.
A shame it didn't cost six hundred dollars.
Oh wait.
Quote from: Vidar on October 27, 2006, 04:13:48 PM
Solution: go open source. Use GIMP. :superlick
Why the heck use GIMP when you already have Photoshop? The only reason I use the GIMP is because I'm too apathetic to get Photoshop.
Oh, and I've never understood that emoticon. What the heck is going on in it??
GIMP is actually pretty decent. It may not have all the bells and whistles of PS, but it's possibly the best program (in terms of quality for money) for the upper/middle segment since it handles tons of file types and has all the better-standard tools you'd expect. Oh, and it doesn't cost an arm and a leg ;)
I'm using GIMP on the Mac. It took a while to get used to it, but it does everything I need (and more). Then again, I'm no drawing artist, so my requirements are lower than Amber's. Thus, I can't completely compare the feature set. But for 0$, it offers a whole truckload of stuff, which is more than enough for the average artist (I'd say...).
On Windows, I had been using the Corel package (which had, in its Educational Version, actually been affordable). I like it more than GIMP, but the lack of a Mac version had forced me to switch.
Of course, this thread is not about PS alternatives (any switch comes with a re-adjustment period, which would suck). So my on-topic suggestion/-question would be if anybody actually tried a patch or tried to contact Adobe via their Support and/or Forums... Right now, this is more of a census that makes it clear that some people have the problem while others don't have it.
I use Photoshop Elements 3.0 and have never had a problem like this before. Seems like there have been enough people having this issue though, so there's bound to be a solution someone has found on the internet somewhere.
Quote from: Netami on October 27, 2006, 05:51:26 PM
A shame it didn't cost six hundred dollars.
Oh wait.
It's worth every penny, jackass.
I have the GIMP at work, as the library I work for doesn't want to spend the $540 or so for Photoshop.
I HATE the GIMP. I can't make it do anything, and if my computer goes to screensaver, it locks up and dies. I take most of my projects home and work on them there.
Knowing Amber and Darkmoon's usage style, my big guess would be that it has something to do with the selection tools- both of them use those quite a bit.
Quote from: Darkmoon on October 28, 2006, 01:43:46 AM
Quote from: Netami on October 27, 2006, 05:51:26 PM
A shame it didn't cost six hundred dollars.
Oh wait.
It's worth every penny, jackass.
You... actually bought Photoshop? You actually
PURCHASED the program? Er... Well so did I. And all of my friends, and all of the people I know that even associate themselves with photoshop. We all obtained it legally, heh.
Quote from: Darkmoon on October 27, 2006, 05:36:50 PM
Quote from: Vidar on October 27, 2006, 04:13:48 PM
Solution: go open source. Use GIMP. :superlick
Or you could use a DECENT program.
If that's your whole suggestion, then get the hell out of the topic.
Thank you! So glad an admin said it.
I don't know if anything's changed, but last I tried GIMP it seemed so disorganized. I couldn't use it at all. Plus, I actually use some of the bells and whistles in PShop.
Alright, so we know it's not the processor type, because Photoshop has worked perfectly on AMD's, Celerons, and Pentiums (both 32- and 64-bit). And further web searching revealed that it can happen in illegal versions just the same. Some people are just unlucky.
But something just occured to me. You guys with the legal versions, you have something sacred. You get to contact Adobe and request help personally. I'm not sure how good their service is, but it's definitely worth a shot, as long as you can describe the problem well. It might even get them to fix the problem in future versions, too.
There are so many programs I wish I had legally for that reason...
Quote from: Netami on October 28, 2006, 02:08:31 AM
Quote from: Darkmoon on October 28, 2006, 01:43:46 AM
Quote from: Netami on October 27, 2006, 05:51:26 PM
A shame it didn't cost six hundred dollars.
Oh wait.
It's worth every penny, jackass.
You... actually bought Photoshop? You actually PURCHASED the program? Er... Well so did I. And all of my friends, and all of the people I know that even associate themselves with photoshop. We all obtained it legally, heh.
If you're going to use Photoshop for any length of time (especially for business) you HAVE to purchase it. That's all there is to it.
What for? The support? I mean, there's online guides and forums for that kind of thing.
Quote from: Netami on October 28, 2006, 03:01:54 AM
What for? The support? I mean, there's online guides and forums for that kind of thing.
Um... morality? My excuse is that I don't use Photoshop or any of my pirated software to make money. As soon as that changes, you can bet your ass I'll be getting legal software starting with Photoshop. For now, I use the programs to learn, so that I can
get to the point where I use them to make money. Like special educational versions, without the watermark or whatever.
As for the support... those people will probably be begging me to go back to my pirated copies and leave them the hell alone >:3
All-in-all, pirating software is wrong. I don't think it's as wrong as a lot of people make it out to be, but it is wrong. And companies should never do it, period. They can afford the software.
Dude, it's still an excuse... Until you lay down like six hundred for a license then you're not even morally superior on your own terms. The guys at Adobe aren't really going to care if you're making money or not, because they certainly aint.
Morality of it, yes. You pay for it because you're using it. I do that for any software I use for any length of time.
Yes, that means that I've pirated software in the past. That's so I can get a feel for it, as DigitalMan said. Especially in the case of 600 bucks of software, I'm sure as hell going to see if I like it and feel that I NEED it before I plunk down my 6 large.
Like I always say though, if you could never afford it in the first place, nobody's losing money >.>
Don't forget that buying it is more ethical in the long run so you can avoid getting in trouble/sued. It's just safer to do so if you're a business.
What I thought sucks most is that if you buy a student edition of a software, then technically you're not allowed to use it after you stop being a student and/or get into business. At least that's what we were told when I took Web Development and the issue came up with Dreamweaver.
No. You're not supposed to. However, if you take a class here or there, technically you're still a student, and aren't violating any clauses... Of course, you're still not allowed to use it for business, but that's a different thing.
I'm still surprised that people here forked over 600$ for PS... what Adobe-only features do you need? O_o
Before there is confusion: I'm no fan of piracy myself. I just wouldn't have expected so many people here actually needing the over-the-top functions PS offers (as compared to GIMP, Elements, Photopaint, PSP, etc.).
But since so many here paid for it: Ask the support. Nobody here seems to have a good fix for it, from what I can see.
On the other hand, I honestly doubt that it's a Photoshop bug by now. It has reportedly happened across FOUR major Photoshop versions (but only to some users), so I think that it would have been fixed by now if it's a PS issue.
Quote from: Damaris on October 28, 2006, 01:55:19 AM
I have the GIMP at work, as the library I work for doesn't want to spend the $540 or so for Photoshop.
I HATE the GIMP. I can't make it do anything, and if my computer goes to screensaver, it locks up and dies. I take most of my projects home and work on them there.
*blink* really? Damn. That seems very unlikely (although I'm not saying it won't be right in your case)
Do you know which version of the gimp they're using? It may well be there's on an extremely old version, and haven't updated...
Alternatively, it may be the specific screensaver they're using. Could you let me know which one? I'll admit to mostly using the gimp on linux, where it gets updated more frequently, and is generally more stable, but your experience seems to me to be "someone screwed up the install in a big way" type thing, in which case we can see if we can fix it.
or at least stop you pulling your hair out when you're forced to use it. :-)
I got Photoshop Elements 2 free with my art tablet... :)
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on October 28, 2006, 10:02:45 AM
Do you know which version of the gimp they're using? It may well be there's on an extremely old version, and haven't updated...
Eh, I find that the usual problem is GTK+ for windows. I've never been overly impressed with how it runs, with gimp or x-chat or gaim.
I never liked GTK+ :<
Quote from: Damaris on October 28, 2006, 01:55:19 AM
I HATE the GIMP. I can't make it do anything, and if my computer goes to screensaver, it locks up and dies. I take most of my projects home and work on them there.
Agreed, Mayb it's my lack of knowledge with how the product works. Somebody should publish a tutorial, or direct me to where I can find one.
I don't use photoshop enough for it to cause me any problems, I had to learn many of the hotkeys to speed things up becuse using the mouse exclusively gets annoying.
If it's just a case of "I know Photoshop, but everything is different in GIMP", people might like to try Gimpshop (http://plasticbugs.com/?page_id=294). But that's about as off-topic as it should get, so I'll just shuddup now :P
from what I've played around, what actually could be done with more loving on Gimp is the horrible interface, why the heck does the 2nd mouse button opens a context menu? plain proggrammers usually don't have a decent clue about how to make a great interface. an even bigger atrocity is blender. Wings 3d is very good tho. besides, the plugin capabilites of gimp is far superior than PS or any other close-source paint prog, having the whole thing open source beats the crap of having
and did someone say dreamweaver? :U I do advanced web stuff and I can guarantee it's a big piece of excrement. the load of crap it adds up keeps screwing up the functionality of the webpages and the visual design function becomes completely useless if you separate the pages in several files, which 90% of the professional web applications do. I know that's getting off-topic, but my suggestion is stay away. If you need a decent way to quickly make webpages, try NVU because it's not worthy paying U$400 for a legit copy of Dreamweaver and a lot of headaches.
btw I think nobody here is entitled to talk about piracy until they have a PC clean of MP3s and game roms. :mowninja
back on topic, it appears to be a motherboard issue. try shutting down processes (Ctrl+Alt+Del and then processes tab) which relate to drivers which are related to the motherboard itself. or try even uninstalling them if they're not critical to the PC to work.
(contemplates going into detail about his lack of piracy, but decides it'd derail the topic too much)
As for the rest of the discussion:
QuoteIf you need a decent way to quickly make webpages
learn to code in notepad. ;)
Sometimes threads just naturally change subjects, not unlike a real conversation. Besides, derailing the "Hey the comic is late" topic?
I know so many people that swear GIMP is better, or that Photoshop is, or that PSP beats them both hands down. I know some people that use paint, or flash. I know people that spend thousands of dollars on Apple products and licenses so they can get the "true" experiences. I guess I am just lucky to have tastes that don't involve spending a ton of money, and I think you'd be amazed at what people can do with less.
As for the money I save on the big P, well, I donate it to a good cause. :mwaha
Llearch- I have it installed on XP, and the screensaver is the default one with the microsoft logo. I also have my workstation password protected, which could be part of it. The file was the newest version when I installed it about a year ago. I had the computer guy install it, as well.
My problem is the aforementioned locking, in addition to the fact that "delete" doesn't work, you have to "cut" instead. The selection tools, imo are not as good, and I don't like the way it handles aliasing vs. antialiasing. All in all, I just don't like the way it does things. I find it annoying, even after playing with the preferences- and I don't even use Photoshop that much to be married to it.
Quote from: Netami on October 28, 2006, 05:21:23 PM
Sometimes threads just naturally change subjects, not unlike a real conversation. Besides, derailing the "Hey the comic is late" topic?
I know so many people that swear GIMP is better, or that Photoshop is, or that PSP beats them both hands down. I know some people that use paint, or flash. I know people that spend thousands of dollars on Apple products and licenses so they can get the "true" experiences. I guess I am just lucky to have tastes that don't involve spending a ton of money, and I think you'd be amazed at what people can do with less.
As for the money I save on the big P, well, I donate it to a good cause. :mwaha
What they can do with less is not the same as having the tools you really need. It's simply making do.
There's more than one way to skin a cat. There's tons of people out there that create beautiful work with "less" and they're not just making do. It's how your skills evolve and what you get comfortable with. To say that everyone not using photoshop would become better if they DID use photoshop is just bias. I'll agree that digitally inking, or just tableting in your drawings is the way of the future, I just think that a 600 program isn't mandatory. Most people wouldn't even appreciate half the stuff they put in photoshop; pearls before swine I'm sure.
Quote from: Damaris on October 28, 2006, 05:43:55 PM
Llearch- I have it installed on XP, and the screensaver is the default one with the microsoft logo. I also have my workstation password protected, which could be part of it. The file was the newest version when I installed it about a year ago. I had the computer guy install it, as well.
Ah. As has been noted elsewhere, OS code changes fast. You may find updating it worthwhile. Or not, considering the -rest- of your post :-)
Quote from: Damaris on October 28, 2006, 05:43:55 PM
My problem is the aforementioned locking, in addition to the fact that "delete" doesn't work, you have to "cut" instead. The selection tools, imo are not as good, and I don't like the way it handles aliasing vs. antialiasing. All in all, I just don't like the way it does things. I find it annoying, even after playing with the preferences- and I don't even use Photoshop that much to be married to it.
Which is fair enough. All of those are just "the way it does stuff" and you get the same sort of issues on windows - I don't like the way office likes to "help" me write stuff. Personal preferences aside, the issues you've outlined are, I think, a product of it's growth under linux.
Having a quick look here, the local Gimp (v2.2.13) has a "clear" option, currently married to ctrl-k (my wm appears to trap the delete key, so I can't test setting it to that). Might that be the second issue you're looking for (I'm presuming that by delete you mean you want to wipe to background colour, and throw away whatever it was, rather than save it somewhere magical :-) so you can pull it back later ) sorted? I would guess that Adobe have registered "delete" somewhere as a patent, hence why the slight change in name.
Not sure about the locking, though. Perhaps it's not refreshing the screen properly? Is it a total lock, and you've got to hard-kill it, or can you minimise it through the task manager or something?
I can't do a lot about the selection tools, and I agree there - the magic selection tool on Photoshop is great, and the one on Gimp is but a weak sister. I think it's better than it used to be, however.
Nor can I help about the whole mindset the program expects you to use. :-/ All I can do is look at what's irritating you, and see if I can help with some of them, just because I'm a nice guy. (just ask The_Lurking_Drake :-) And because, for whatever reason, I dislike seeing someone getting worked up over an app. Sure, there's some bipartisan feelings there, but it's just an app. :-) If you prefer Photoshop, more power to you. It's a great app, and while it's be nice to think Gimp has caught up, I don't think that's happened yet. It's a hell of a lot closer than it used to be, but it's still the plucky little underdog, for all it's installed on just about every linux box out there by default :-)
If you're bored by me already, let me know, and I'll go away :-)
Quote from: Netami on October 28, 2006, 05:57:39 PM
There's more than one way to skin a cat. There's tons of people out there that create beautiful work with "less" and they're not just making do. It's how your skills evolve and what you get comfortable with. To say that everyone not using photoshop would become better if they DID use photoshop is just bias. I'll agree that digitally inking, or just tableting in your drawings is the way of the future, I just think that a 600 program isn't mandatory. Most people wouldn't even appreciate half the stuff they put in photoshop; pearls before swine I'm sure.
Ahh, but see now you're arguing two different points. One is the preference of some people to create in a program based upon knowledge of what people acn do, and the other is what people will work with WITHOUT the knowledge of what certain programs can do. Yes, someone can create in paint and may say they like it, but if they have little to no knowledge of Photoshop (or Paintshop Pro, or Corel Painter), then they aren't exactly making an informed decision on the matter.
As for personal preference, the discussion, I believe, was based upon Photoshop and Gimp. Gimp is designed to "compete" with the top of the line production programs. Based upon what I've seen it do and what I know Photoshop can do, I'd rather spend the 600 bucks for Photoshop than to use GIMP. That is my preference.
Somehow, you managed to make this trhead into a "OMGWTF you PAID for Photoshop, you newb?!!!1one" discussion... which is lame. Drop it and move on, Netami.
Quote from: Darkmoon on October 28, 2006, 07:09:11 PM
Quote from: Netami on October 28, 2006, 05:57:39 PM(post)
Ahh, but see now you're arguing two different points. One is the preference of some people to create in a program based upon knowledge of what people acn do, and the other is what people will work with WITHOUT the knowledge of what certain programs can do. Yes, someone can create in paint and may say they like it, but if they have little to no knowledge of Photoshop (or Paintshop Pro, or Corel Painter), then they aren't exactly making an informed decision on the matter.
As for personal preference, the discussion, I believe, was based upon Photoshop and Gimp. Gimp is designed to "compete" with the top of the line production programs. Based upon what I've seen it do and what I know Photoshop can do, I'd rather spend the 600 bucks for Photoshop than to use GIMP. That is my preference.
Somehow, you managed to make this trhead into a "OMGWTF you PAID for Photoshop, you newb?!!!1one" discussion... which is lame. Drop it and move on, Netami.
I think his point was yet a different one. Like my computing math teacher would say "Don't kill a bird with a nuclear bomb".
it's what they do because they don't NEED more than that, not what they do because they're lazy to explore what certain programs can do. Many good CG artists around can do on OC stuff that's not far behind at all compared to works on PS or something.
If Photoshop actually makes your life easier go ahead, if the extra features of PS aren't needed and you prefer using Gimp go ahead.
what's not fair is to go around "Lol Gimp sux get fotochop"
and judging from the atrocities I've seen from artists who claim to be using Photoshop, I thing the program used is not really the problem.
Quote from: Jack McSlay on October 28, 2006, 08:05:50 PM
what's not fair is to go around "Lol Gimp sux get fotochop"
and judging from the atrocities I've seen from artists who claim to be using Photoshop, I thing the program used is not really the problem.
Uh oh, someone's making sense! D:
Quote from: Jack McSlay on October 28, 2006, 08:05:50 PM
what's not fair is to go around "Lol Gimp sux get fotochop"
I don't think anyone here has said that. There's been a few "I've tried it and didn't like it" or "it doesn't work for me, whereas PS does" type notes, but everyone is remaining more or less civil.
Well.. apart from Darkmoon, and he's been about as civil as we ever expect him to be. :-)
*hides*
(bows)
Quote from: Jack McSlay on October 28, 2006, 03:04:49 PM
and did someone say dreamweaver? :U I do advanced web stuff and I can guarantee it's a big piece of excrement. the load of crap it adds up keeps screwing up the functionality of the webpages and the visual design function becomes completely useless if you separate the pages in several files, which 90% of the professional web applications do. I know that's getting off-topic, but my suggestion is stay away. If you need a decent way to quickly make webpages, try NVU because it's not worthy paying U$400 for a legit copy of Dreamweaver and a lot of headaches.
I hated Dreamweaver, especially when I had to use it for an assignment. I ended up getting something half-decent in the end, but I generally do enjoy just using notepad. And if I ever do use dreamweaver for quick little things, I keep it in the code section and just use the F12 option instead of the design look.
is dreamweaver one of those what you see is what you get progams that "sux"
WYSIWYG, yeh.
Notepad owns.
Plus... it doesn't cost anything. :p
See, we don't always love the bells and whistles.
Indeed. Notepad and Firefox for the wiin.
Quote from: GabrielsThoughts on October 28, 2006, 10:51:10 PM
is dreamweaver one of those what you see is what you get progams that "sux"
more like WYSINEWYG (what you see is not exactly what you get), because what it displays often doesn't match MSIE nor Gecko-engine browsers. it's fine for degisn but for real implementation nothing beats a text editor with syntax highlighting
Dreamweaver was pretty blargh when I had to use it for class. I should have taken flash instead...ah well. As someone who has used a few WYSIWYG builders, I'd have to say Dreamweaver is a bit too much complications and hassle for my preferences.
Gimp, Photoshop, OC, whatever really makes a person happy and that they are comfortable with is what works. A high price-tag doesnt necessarily mean its going to be the best program ever, but I personally can see the reasoning of why Photoshop is the costlier of the programs. I think its a good program, I've had reasonable experience with it, and it's most often sold to people who's art is a career thus they can make the money spent on it back quickly. I personally enjoy Photoshop, despite the occasional glitch. (and really glitches that eat ones work will happen in every type of computer) I own a legit copy, but this isn't a thread about legitimacy or the moral implications of software.
Quote from: Jack McSlay on October 28, 2006, 11:33:13 PM
... nothing beats a text editor with syntax highlighting
Indeed. Vim (www.vim.org) FTW. :-)
notepad users represent \../,
Quote from: icarus on October 29, 2006, 06:08:03 AM
notepad users represent \../,
My thoughts exactly. All ya need is Notepad and a browser window!
But as for the main topic... Seriously now. Has anyone contacted Adobe yet?
no love for crimson editor? :<
Quote from: DigitalMan on October 29, 2006, 06:33:09 AM
Quote from: icarus on October 29, 2006, 06:08:03 AM
notepad users represent \../,
My thoughts exactly. All ya need is Notepad and a browser window!
Word.
When it comes to CSS editing, I use Firefox with the WebDeveloper Toolbar, simply because it's nice to see my CSS rendered on the fly.
I use Crimson only for Java. As for HTML I prefer Phase 5 which is basically an advanced version of Crimson. Sadly, it's not available in English.
For image-works Uleads PhotoImpact is still my favorite. Have to grab v12 anytime soon, still stuck with v8.
As for the Adobe problem: (http://www.thehealthymom.com/wp-content/plugins/more-smilies/maidacollection/dunno.gif)
Well, Notepad has always been the easiest and fastest way to code for me....