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Title: A dissection of Abel Dimitri Rewanz, how I see Abel (10-21-2006)
Post by: Madmann135 on October 21, 2006, 04:00:31 PM
Abel Dimitri Rewanz or Abel for short

This is going to be a Disection of How I see him, how I view his personality.


Abel's past.

Parents:  In all likelyhood Abel inherited his Cubi side from his mother.  Be it that she wanted a simple life or was just hiding May Rewanz married an adventurer and had a loveing family.  Despite the fact that because Abel was born with wings they did their best to live a normal life.  May and Cid Rewanz had a loving relationship and it was displayed numerous ways and some dangerous ways.  The main reason I said dangerous is because while they were living at Zinvth cid was an adventurer, living in a demon city while hunting demons is risky buisness yet he willingly offered to do such a dangerous action.


Young Abel: In his young life with wings that presented a problem.  Not only did it prosent a problem with him trying to make friends but it presented a problem to his family who delt with it as best they could.  Said problems included being shunned by numerous people, children violently teasing him difficulty with Abel finding a place to lern which was delt with when they moved Zinvth.  At Zinvth Abel was not shunned because he was diffrent, it was a place where he was in essence himself.

Abel's mom:  Considering that Abel's father was an adventurer and Abel is an Incubus it stands to believe that May was or is a Sucubus (or how ever you spell it).  Not to mention the fact that they were able to acclimate to the demon city Zinvth ment that one of the two probably lived there before.


Current Abel:
Abel's nice side:  Abel puts up a front that he's evil, though I believe that he is just a nice guy.  I present that Abel in essence kept Jyrras from Harm while he was on SAIA grounds, put up a mental block on Jyrras so that Dan wouldn't read his mind by accident, helped Dan impersinate his sister and he was going to give Merlitz a card as a peace offering. 

Abel's at SAIA:  Abel at SAIA was quite the prankster, he was BANNED from the library for an unknown insident which probably took time and brains to execute.  Abel is also well versed in "Mind-Jaming" and "Misleading" which also indicates that he didn't want others to read his mind or learn much about him.  Abel keeps to himself yet made friends with ALL the Warp-Aki which probably ment that he was more comfortable around the friendly and less complex individuals example the other Cubi.  As a stretagic manouver or shear luck Abel managed to become friends with Fa'Lana who is one of the more powerful Cubi at SAIA, that not only ensured his safety but gave him a little leverage with numerous dealings.  In adition to becoming principal's friend Abel is said to be the longest staying student at SAIA, that implies numerous things mainly that either he had no where to go or that he felt safest at SAIA.

Abel's fashon:  Abel is also well known for changing outfits, room decor and just about anything he could get his hands on.  Normally such changes occur when he is extremely bored and he does such changes quite quickly.  In addition most of Abel's changes once done were liked, namely Jyrras's outfit change.

Abel at Lost Lake:  Despite being uprooted at a place where he choose to live at and being Forced to live in a foreign and unknown place with beings other than creatures.  Abel is still learning

Abel and Jyrras:  Though some might argue against me I believe that Abel and Jyrras are becoming fast friends.  Abel is unable to Emotion-Jamm Jyrras yet Jyrras takes Abel for face value.  At SAIA Abel in short protected Jyrras as he was hiding from a fan crazed sucubus and after that Jyrras got to know Abel a little better at the shopping mall.  When Jyrras was hurt by Widly's book Abel witnessed it, at first one would say that Abel didn't care about it but when he confronted Widly about it one could say that Abel's true feelings came forth.

Conclusion:
Describing Abel as a jerk and aragant bad guy is only describing him as he wants you to describe him.  Abel is very secretive and very personal, he puts on a front and doesn't want others to see his nice side.  Such was shown when Jyrras 'beeped' Abel's nose


The last things I will say is this.
WHAT is up with his eyes.  That's both weird and Cool at the same time... AND What is his obsession with no shirts?

That's all I can think of for now.  More to come as more of his charactor comes forth
Title: Re: A dissection of Abel Dimitri Rewanz, how I see Abel (10-21-2006)
Post by: Zedd on October 21, 2006, 04:06:16 PM
Might have to consiter all the people had to put up with at SAIA...Specialy other cubi like myself in my story...I could say me and him could be well buddys in a way but thats just my side of the story..Yet I found him quite hard to grow on...
Title: Re: A dissection of Abel Dimitri Rewanz, how I see Abel (10-21-2006)
Post by: Madmann135 on October 21, 2006, 04:09:19 PM
Well... I didn't say anything about being friends with him but knowing him in order to be such one would have to go through numerous trials.

Jyrras probably litteraly fell into a situation that helped him become a friend be it a bit of a distant friend


I just realised something
Abel's personality is the Classic "leave me alone" personality (mine).  He has few friends, he does things that others may find annoying but doesn't like confrentation.
Title: Re: A dissection of Abel Dimitri Rewanz, how I see Abel (10-21-2006)
Post by: Tapewolf on October 21, 2006, 04:33:11 PM
Quote from: Madmann135 on October 21, 2006, 04:00:31 PM
May and Cid Rewanz had a loving relationship and it was displayed numerous ways and some dangerous ways.  The main reason I said dangerous is because while they were living at Zinvth cid was an adventurer, living in a demon city while hunting demons is risky buisness yet he willingly offered to do such a dangerous action.

I don't think he did that.  Although he threatened to take up adventuring again, it's more likely that he got a less dangerous job (does Zinvth have a shipyard?)

Also, I don't think you mentioned that Abel is a capable librarian.

QuoteAs a strategic manoeuvre or shear luck Abel managed to become friends with Fa'Lina who is one of the more powerful Cubi at SAIA, that not only ensured his safety but gave him a little leverage with numerous dealings.

In his bio it states that Abel has been more-or-less adopted by Fa'lina.  I could be reading too much into this but that suggests to me that both his parents are dead (this would explain his long depression at the start of his course).  One of them (the Being) is certainly going to be dead, and if the other isn't dead, they have fallen out big-time.
(This might be the reason for his won't-pretend-to-be-someone-else attitude, though)
Title: Re: A dissection of Abel Dimitri Rewanz, how I see Abel (10-21-2006)
Post by: Rafe on October 21, 2006, 08:52:29 PM
The main thing you see with the way Abel interacts with the other characters is that he never, even when you're shown what he's thinking to himself, never let's himself get close emotionally to anyone else.  He's able to function socially, but there's a line he doesn't cross.

He was close to his parents and to Cynthia when he was a kid.  Cynthia died of course, and so, probably, have his parents (in the DMFA timeline, anyway), so Abel is pretty much alone.  He might not like being that way, but he doesn't look like he wants to deal with all the possible problems and dissapointments either.     
Title: Re: A dissection of Abel Dimitri Rewanz, how I see Abel (10-21-2006)
Post by: Selima on October 21, 2006, 10:32:57 PM
Quote from: Madmann135 on October 21, 2006, 04:00:31 PM
What is his obsession with no shirts?

One can't blame him for his vanity.  :3
Title: Re: A dissection of Abel Dimitri Rewanz, how I see Abel (10-21-2006)
Post by: Kasarn on October 21, 2006, 10:54:03 PM
Quote from: Madmann135 on October 21, 2006, 04:00:31 PM
In adition to becoming principal's friend Abel is said to be the longest staying student at SAIA.
No he isn't the longest staying student. The complete course (or perhaps just doing everything) supposedly takes around 400 years; Abel, at 399 years old, would have been towards the end of his time.

Quote from: Madmann135 on October 21, 2006, 04:00:31 PM
What is his obsession with no shirts?
He's covered in fur and clothes just get in the way of shapeshifting

It has also been suggested that he isn't actually wearing anything at all >:3
Title: Re: A dissection of Abel Dimitri Rewanz, how I see Abel (10-21-2006)
Post by: Madmann135 on October 22, 2006, 02:15:33 AM
Quote from: Kasarn on October 21, 2006, 10:54:03 PM
Quote from: Madmann135 on October 21, 2006, 04:00:31 PM
In adition to becoming principal's friend Abel is said to be the longest staying student at SAIA.
No he isn't the longest staying student. The complete course (or perhaps just doing everything) supposedly takes around 400 years; Abel, at 399 years old, would have been towards the end of his time.

Quote from: Madmann135 on October 21, 2006, 04:00:31 PM
What is his obsession with no shirts?
He's covered in fur and clothes just get in the way of shapeshifting

It has also been suggested that he isn't actually wearing anything at all >:3


I bet some ladies are hoping that little rumor is true.

I said that Abel was longer there because from when the Evil Principal said he already graduated I thought that he was just there longer.

Of all the charactors at Lost Lake, Abel is in my opinion the one with the most personal issues that are unresolved.



The distancing himself emotionaly from others is a bit of a risky move.  One it keeps others at bay but it also starts an endless loup of a visicous personal cycle.
He keeps others at bay so that he doesn't get hurt but he is alone and hurt because he kept others at bay.
Title: Re: A dissection of Abel Dimitri Rewanz, how I see Abel (10-21-2006)
Post by: Zedd on October 22, 2006, 02:41:08 AM
Im sure the point will be sent across soon
Title: Re: A dissection of Abel Dimitri Rewanz, how I see Abel (10-21-2006)
Post by: Reese Tora on October 22, 2006, 05:31:09 AM
hmm... maybe I missed the thread on it, but I would say there are two other possibilities beyond that Abel is a cubi from his mother's side.

There's a possibility that Cid Rewanez is, himself, a Cubi and an adventurer.  Dan is, it's not unheard of.  He would have to be hiding his wings of course, and that would beg the question as to what an experienced and mature cubi (as nessesary to be able to hide wings) is doing as an adventurer as opposed to other things.

Also a possibility, is that Cid is not Abel's biological father.  That Cid is Abel's father is of no doubt in my mind, mind you.  Were this the case, there's a few ways that Abel could have been concieved, very plot like and stuff.  One, atleast, has been aluded to earlier in the story, where the principal at the being school he attends implied to May that she doesn't nessesarily believe that Cid is the father.

But that's a little off-topic, now, isn't it?  I'mma sleep and be coherently on-topic in the morning.
Title: Re: A dissection of Abel Dimitri Rewanz, how I see Abel (10-21-2006)
Post by: Tapewolf on October 22, 2006, 05:53:57 AM
Quote from: Kasarn on October 21, 2006, 10:54:03 PM
Quote from: Madmann135 on October 21, 2006, 04:00:31 PM
In adition to becoming principal's friend Abel is said to be the longest staying student at SAIA.
No he isn't the longest staying student. The complete course (or perhaps just doing everything) supposedly takes around 400 years; Abel, at 399 years old, would have been towards the end of his time.

Yes.  That was what originally prompted me to reply, and I clean forgot :P
You would also have research students, and those wanting to become professors themselves would also have to study first.  My brother has been at university for about 8 years, and he's only got to the 'Doctor' stage.
It's quite likely that there are other (useful) things which Abel could study, but doesn't want to or can't be bothered with.

Destania (which not technically a student) must have been in SAIA for the best part of a millenium, unless Aary was the first and only pupil she mentored..
Title: Re: A dissection of Abel Dimitri Rewanz, how I see Abel (10-21-2006)
Post by: Cogidubnus on October 22, 2006, 01:12:08 PM
I think May is the Cubi. This just hit me the other day.

Observe Abel's father's age here:
http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_15.php

Observe His father's age here:
http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_29.php

  And then look at may. She's barely aged, if at all. Just a little hair color, which a Cubi could easily fake. Well, a Cubi could probably eaisly fake age, but then again, why would they want to? She's aged very, very well is she is not a Cubi, and it makes sense that she would not look to old if she was.

  Make sense? Savvy? I sometimes write obtusely, to my chagrin.
Title: Re: A dissection of Abel Dimitri Rewanz, how I see Abel (10-21-2006)
Post by: Tapewolf on October 22, 2006, 01:24:14 PM
Quote from: Cogidubnus on October 22, 2006, 01:12:08 PM
I think May is the Cubi. This just hit me the other day.
...look at may. She's barely aged, if at all. Just a little hair color, which a Cubi could easily fake.

Indeed.  That and the 'May-doesn't-eat' thing (also the inlaws-in-Zinvth business) are why I think she is the 'cubi, although to be honest it was my gut feeling from even before the Abel Arc started  ( http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_Bonus012.php )

Whether it's true or not is another matter.  It could all be a diversion  >:3
Title: Re: A dissection of Abel Dimitri Rewanz, how I see Abel (10-21-2006)
Post by: Zedd on October 22, 2006, 02:23:37 PM
It all depends who the cubi parent....As long we get an answer
Title: Re: A dissection of Abel Dimitri Rewanz, how I see Abel (10-21-2006)
Post by: Madmann135 on October 22, 2006, 03:05:33 PM
well... it looks like my disection of Abel has some intresting replies.



I wonder if Amber is thinkint that I'm reading her mind in some way shape or form.



No I'm not Amber!

Stop thinking that!

I SAID STOP!



:mowtongue had to put that in for fun
Title: Re: A dissection of Abel Dimitri Rewanz, how I see Abel (10-21-2006)
Post by: Cogidubnus on October 22, 2006, 04:31:12 PM
No one can read Amber's mind. If one attempted to do so, a defensive mechanism of reverse-feedback mows would explode out of the offending psychics mind and consume his head from the inside out. :mowninja
Title: Re: A dissection of Abel Dimitri Rewanz, how I see Abel (10-21-2006)
Post by: Zedd on October 22, 2006, 04:42:30 PM
If anyone can read her mind would be her brother or maybe her soon to be hubby  :eager
Title: Re: A dissection of Abel Dimitri Rewanz, how I see Abel (10-21-2006)
Post by: Madmann135 on October 22, 2006, 09:56:00 PM
Amber's mind probably has the same psychic defense mechanism as mine or a little diffrent.

My defense mechanism is that my brain's thoughts is so scattered, violent, destructive, disturbing, insane, weird that if anyone tried to read it they would go into either a stupor/coma brought on by my thoughts or just die from fright alone.


The benefits of insanity... psychic killer
Title: Re: A dissection of Abel Dimitri Rewanz, how I see Abel (10-21-2006)
Post by: Magic on October 23, 2006, 06:48:09 PM
Just to remind you, Abel has some-- reservations related to Daniel being Edward Ti'fiona's son. Fa'lina and probably the whole faculty knows it. (Yes, 'related to', and not 'about'.)

Simply for reference.


QuoteWhat is his obsession with no shirts?

Incubi/succubi vanity. This is a given.

QuoteWhat is up with his eyes?

Mm. Good question, albeit asked before. It is one that will not be answered just yet.
Title: Re: A dissection of Abel Dimitri Rewanz, how I see Abel (10-21-2006)
Post by: Zedd on October 23, 2006, 07:12:32 PM
Lets give the master of insanity button pushing a round applause for his majestic ways being right 99.98% the time  :3
Title: Re: A dissection of Abel Dimitri Rewanz, how I see Abel (10-21-2006)
Post by: Reese Tora on October 23, 2006, 11:15:37 PM
Quote from: Cogidubnus on October 22, 2006, 01:12:08 PM
I think May is the Cubi. This just hit me the other day.

Observe Abel's father's age here:
http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_15.php

Observe His father's age here:
http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_29.php

  And then look at may. She's barely aged, if at all. Just a little hair color, which a Cubi could easily fake. Well, a Cubi could probably eaisly fake age, but then again, why would they want to? She's aged very, very well is she is not a Cubi, and it makes sense that she would not look to old if she was.

  Make sense? Savvy? I sometimes write obtusely, to my chagrin.

He's got a beard with greying hairs and a scar (not an age indicator excepting it's rather pink to be an old scar).

She's got greying hair and is dressed kinda like an old lady.  I see no great disparity in thier apparent ages.  Maybe I'm missing some age-clues that you could fill me in on?

As for not eating, the only evidence to not needing to eat is an off-hand comment on not eating much.  I make similar commants to my mom about how she's wasting away.  (Actually, she's maintaining a healthy, if a little above average, weight, but that's besides the point.)
Title: Re: A dissection of Abel Dimitri Rewanz, how I see Abel (10-21-2006)
Post by: ShiningShadow on October 24, 2006, 07:34:22 AM
AS I know Abel so far he's complicated, and tends to do those things for self perservation. But I think he should open up a little bit and not be so defensive all the time. But hey that's me talking here and I don't know what I'm talking about all the time.
Title: Re: A dissection of Abel Dimitri Rewanz, how I see Abel (10-21-2006)
Post by: Faerie Alex on October 27, 2006, 04:55:36 PM
There's something that bugs me about whether his mom is the cubi.
http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_28.php
Notice that she doesn't recognize the clan marking. I would think that if she was the cubi, she would at least recognize her own marking. Also, in the first few comics, it's Cid who it taking the wings in stride. I don't know if this means anything, but it's a thought.
Title: Re: A dissection of Abel Dimitri Rewanz, how I see Abel (10-21-2006)
Post by: Zedd on October 27, 2006, 05:01:46 PM
No one knows yet my dear friend...Let Amber tell us soon...And it will be found soon
Title: Re: A dissection of Abel Dimitri Rewanz, how I see Abel (10-21-2006)
Post by: Tapewolf on October 27, 2006, 05:12:18 PM
Quote from: modelincard on October 27, 2006, 04:55:36 PM
There's something that bugs me about whether his mom is the cubi.
Notice that she doesn't recognize the clan marking.

One school of thought is that she doesn't want to reveal her 'cubi heritage in front of Cid and is therefore feigning ignorance.  Alternatively, she might be fishing to see if Abel knows what it is...

**EDIT**
Remember, Cid might kill her if he discovers she's a soul-eating monster.
Title: Re: A dissection of Abel Dimitri Rewanz, how I see Abel (10-21-2006)
Post by: Zedd on October 27, 2006, 05:23:29 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on October 27, 2006, 05:12:18 PM
Quote from: modelincard on October 27, 2006, 04:55:36 PM
There's something that bugs me about whether his mom is the cubi.
Notice that she doesn't recognize the clan marking.

One school of thought is that she doesn't want to reveal her 'cubi heritage in front of Cid and is therefore feigning ignorance.  Alternatively, she might be fishing to see if Abel knows what it is...

**EDIT**
Remember, Cid might kill her if he discovers she's a soul-eating monster.

Or he just might just know already
Title: Re: A dissection of Abel Dimitri Rewanz, how I see Abel (10-21-2006)
Post by: Cogidubnus on October 27, 2006, 05:25:56 PM
If, one cold grey morning, I was to discover that my wife was a soul eating monster, I don't think I'd try to kill her. She's a soul eating monster - she might kill me. :<
Title: Re: A dissection of Abel Dimitri Rewanz, how I see Abel (10-21-2006)
Post by: ShiningShadow on October 27, 2006, 11:22:17 PM
No I think he loves her so much the past is the past. And besides I think the both of Abel Parents should realized that Abel is the product of both parents. I think the whole Cubi thing I think Abel mother didn't want to rush things with Abel hertiage at that point in his life.
Title: Re: A dissection of Abel Dimitri Rewanz, how I see Abel (10-21-2006)
Post by: Madmann135 on October 28, 2006, 01:36:43 AM
It could be numerous things on why May was surprised with the 'Tatoo.'  These are a few tht poped in my head.

1- The Cubi Genes are Recesive, May (or posiably Cid) didn't show any signs but passed the genes onto her son Abel.  Therefore she was Genuinely surprised.

2-The "I know what's going on but I will pretend I don't" game



Though I will say this
May Aged exently but Cit was a little less fortunate.  Yet still they both look great for adults in their early-late years.
Title: Re: A dissection of Abel Dimitri Rewanz, how I see Abel (10-21-2006)
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on October 28, 2006, 10:19:15 AM
Madmann,

I believe it has been said somewhere that beings and creatures live long, but degenerate fast at the end. Unfortunately, I can't remember if that was Amber, or if it was in some other story entirely.... :-/
Title: Re: A dissection of Abel Dimitri Rewanz, how I see Abel (10-21-2006)
Post by: ShiningShadow on October 28, 2006, 11:39:44 PM
Yes i noticed that too. I think TW know that achived we are all talking about. I saw it there not to long ago.
Title: Re: A dissection of Abel Dimitri Rewanz, how I see Abel (10-21-2006)
Post by: Tapewolf on October 29, 2006, 05:44:15 AM
Quote from: ShiningShadow on October 28, 2006, 11:39:44 PM
Yes i noticed that too. I think TW know that achived we are all talking about. I saw it there not to long ago.

What, the rapid degeneration thing?  That's a new one on me.
Title: Re: A dissection of Abel Dimitri Rewanz, how I see Abel (10-21-2006)
Post by: komissarmakarov on October 29, 2006, 07:43:48 AM
Quote from: Madmann135 on October 28, 2006, 01:36:43 AM
Though I will say this
May Aged exently but Cit was a little less fortunate.  Yet still they both look great for adults in their early-late years.

So could it be possible that they're just bastard children of cubi who do not know their heritage? After all, in a magical world, genetics could be a funny thing...
Title: Re: A dissection of Abel Dimitri Rewanz, how I see Abel (10-21-2006)
Post by: ShiningShadow on October 29, 2006, 10:23:27 PM
Yeah that and the parents genes thats a different story entirely.
Title: Re: A dissection of Abel Dimitri Rewanz, how I see Abel (10-21-2006)
Post by: Madmann135 on October 29, 2006, 11:42:47 PM
Well... the reason why Abel is a cubi could be a thousand things. 

I could say a lot of things (but I won't because I can't think of them) so I'm sticking with the cubi Gene theory.

Recap:
Cubi genes like all other genes have a 1 in 4 chance of being recessive and 3 in 4 of being dominate in a 1 recessive 1 dominate trait (or basically yes or no).  Like all genes it is possiable for the Cubi genes to skip a generation and I believe that it happen to Abel's parents.

Even so I'm sticking that Abel's mom carried (carries) the cubi genes.
Title: Re: A dissection of Abel Dimitri Rewanz, how I see Abel (10-21-2006)
Post by: Magic on October 30, 2006, 03:28:16 AM
Amber had said, there are no half-breed incubi and succubi. The problem with your theory is the fact that whether or not you are an incubi or succubi does not depend on genetics; To put it bluntly, there is no relation whatsoever.

I repeat, being an incubi or a succubi has nothing to do with genetics.

Having said that, we have to introduce magic into the equation. Incubi and succubi are creatures whose appearances are based upon latent magics within their bodies. They are able to harness these magics through what is now an a whole discipline of study in SAIA-- metamorphosis, and at the same time are incapable of eschewing or hiding them completely as is the case with clan symbols. Finally, there is longetivity which is a subject I will not cover as of yet.

In any case, everything that seperates incubi and succubi from beings is related to either actively used magic or latent magic, which proves the statement above.

Which means, one way or another, at least one of Abel's parents is an incubus or a succubus. There is no way around that. What is best to ask and speculate on is who, exactly.
Title: Re: A dissection of Abel Dimitri Rewanz, how I see Abel (10-21-2006)
Post by: Zedd on October 30, 2006, 03:33:45 AM
Quote from: Ink on October 30, 2006, 03:28:16 AM
Amber had said, there are no half-breed incubi and succubi. The problem with your theory is the fact that whether or not you are an incubi or succubi does not depend on genetics; To put it bluntly, there is no relation whatsoever.

I repeat, being an incubi or a succubi has nothing to do with genetics.

Having said that, we have to introduce magic into the equation. Incubi and succubi are creatures whose appearances are based upon latent magics within their bodies. They are able to harness these magics through what is now an a whole discipline of study in SAIA-- metamorphosis, and at the same time are incapable of eschewing or hiding them completely as is the case with clan symbols. Finally, there is longetivity which is a subject I will not cover as of yet.

In any case, everything that seperates incubi and succubi from beings is related to either actively used magic or latent magic, which proves the statement above.

Which means, one way or another, at least one of Abel's parents is an incubus or a succubus. There is no way around that. What is best to ask and speculate on is who, exactly.



Thank you doctor For clearing that ups for them and I am sure if you can followl more into this thank you
Title: Re: A dissection of Abel Dimitri Rewanz, how I see Abel (10-21-2006)
Post by: komissarmakarov on October 30, 2006, 03:38:01 AM
Quote from: Ink on October 30, 2006, 03:28:16 AM
Amber had said, there are no half-breed incubi and succubi. The problem with your theory is the fact that whether or not you are an incubi or succubi does not depend on genetics; To put it bluntly, there is no relation whatsoever.

I repeat, being an incubi or a succubi has nothing to do with genetics.

Having said that, we have to introduce magic into the equation. Incubi and succubi are creatures whose appearances are based upon latent magics within their bodies. They are able to harness these magics through what is now an a whole discipline of study in SAIA-- metamorphosis, and at the same time are incapable of eschewing or hiding them completely as is the case with clan symbols. Finally, there is longetivity which is a subject I will not cover as of yet.

In any case, everything that seperates incubi and succubi from beings is related to either actively used magic or latent magic, which proves the statement above.

Which means, one way or another, at least one of Abel's parents is an incubus or a succubus. There is no way around that. What is best to ask and speculate on is who, exactly.


So the good doctor is saying that one must be magical in order to be a cubi? What if one was exposed to magic? Would that be sufficient?
Title: Re: A dissection of Abel Dimitri Rewanz, how I see Abel (10-21-2006)
Post by: Magic on October 30, 2006, 03:43:20 AM
Oh no-- not at all. I'm stating the obvious; That incubi are succubi are inherently magical, and that that trait replaces genetics in terms of deciding whether or not someone will be born as an/a incubus/succubus or not.

Being and a being will result in a being,
Creature and a creature will result in a creature,
And a being and a creature will always result in a creature.
Title: Re: A dissection of Abel Dimitri Rewanz, how I see Abel (10-21-2006)
Post by: komissarmakarov on October 30, 2006, 03:46:01 AM
So simply being exposed to magic isn't enough? In order to be cubi, you MUST have a cubi parent?
Title: Re: A dissection of Abel Dimitri Rewanz, how I see Abel (10-21-2006)
Post by: Aridas on October 30, 2006, 07:32:06 AM
Ink's said that twice now. Listen up, would you?
Title: Re: A dissection of Abel Dimitri Rewanz, how I see Abel (10-21-2006)
Post by: komissarmakarov on October 30, 2006, 08:38:11 AM
Sorry- too much coffee, not enough sleep :B

*goes back to musing speculation*
Title: Re: A dissection of Abel Dimitri Rewanz, how I see Abel (10-21-2006)
Post by: ninjannihilator on October 30, 2006, 04:54:42 PM
Both parents have no visible wings, meaning that one of them will have to know a decent amount of magic to hide them.

Well, in page 26 of Abel's Story. We learn that May doesn't know how to use magic.
http://missmab.com/Comics/Abel_26.php
At least it seems that way, she could be lying.

So the logical conclusion would be that Abel's incubi heritage comes from his paternal side of the family and that Cid is an incubus himself. Then again, we can use the principal's explanation on page 12.
http://missmab.com/Comics/Abel_14.php
Title: Re: A dissection of Abel Dimitri Rewanz, how I see Abel (10-21-2006)
Post by: Aridas on October 30, 2006, 06:09:46 PM
Quote from: ninjannihilator on October 30, 2006, 04:54:42 PM
Well, in page 26 of Abel's Story. We learn that May doesn't know how to use magic.
http://missmab.com/Comics/Abel_26.php
At least it seems that way, she could be lying.
To me, it sounds like either (assuming she CAN use it) isn't a fan of magic, or that she just made a brilliant response that kind of points to "I doubt I would learn anything useful from the class". Either way, you're making a good point.
Title: Re: A dissection of Abel Dimitri Rewanz, how I see Abel (10-21-2006)
Post by: Stygian on October 30, 2006, 06:15:09 PM
Personally, I am more inclined to beleive that Abel's mother is the incubus. As far as this story has gone, nothing has spoken against that point. Yet nothing has spoken for her being completely fidelitous either, so that is a good possibility.
Title: Re: A dissection of Abel Dimitri Rewanz, how I see Abel (10-21-2006)
Post by: Netami on October 30, 2006, 06:17:10 PM
Quote from: Stygian on October 30, 2006, 06:15:09 PM
Personally, I am more inclined to beleive that Abel's mother is the incubus. As far as this story has gone, nothing has spoken against that point. Yet nothing has spoken for her being completely fidelitous either, so that is a good possibility.

You mean his mother is a succubus.... right?

NEW STARTLING INFORMATION! :D
Title: Re: A dissection of Abel Dimitri Rewanz, how I see Abel (10-21-2006)
Post by: ninjannihilator on October 30, 2006, 06:20:13 PM
Quote from: Netami on October 30, 2006, 06:17:10 PM
Quote from: Stygian on October 30, 2006, 06:15:09 PM
Personally, I am more inclined to beleive that Abel's mother is the incubus. As far as this story has gone, nothing has spoken against that point. Yet nothing has spoken for her being completely fidelitous either, so that is a good possibility.

You mean his mother is a succubus.... right?

NEW STARTLING INFORMATION! :D

Yeah it would be strange for his mother to be an incubus. Personally, I think that his mother was seduced by an incubus. Abel has a green eye which his mother and father do not have. But all this is pure speculation
Title: Re: A dissection of Abel Dimitri Rewanz, how I see Abel (10-21-2006)
Post by: Aridas on October 30, 2006, 06:22:06 PM
or someone's cheating :o

And this being Abel's Story, I don't think it ISN'T possible for a cheating parent to have popped up
Title: Re: A dissection of Abel Dimitri Rewanz, how I see Abel (10-21-2006)
Post by: Stygian on October 30, 2006, 06:24:49 PM
Wooo... stop! Ponder time! You can't touch this. It's just speculation, and remember; there's magic around. Magic!

True, the "seduced by wicked incubus" thing holds up, but why would she have his child then? If nothing else, that would require some serious explanation we certainly have not seen as of yet. You can't just say "'cuz she's against abortion duuuuuh!" and leave it at that.
Title: Re: A dissection of Abel Dimitri Rewanz, how I see Abel (10-21-2006)
Post by: ninjannihilator on October 30, 2006, 06:49:01 PM
Quote from: Stygian on October 30, 2006, 06:24:49 PM
Wooo... stop! Ponder time! You can't touch this. It's just speculation, and remember; there's magic around. Magic!

True, the "seduced by wicked incubus" thing holds up, but why would she have his child then? If nothing else, that would require some serious explanation we certainly have not seen as of yet. You can't just say "'cuz she's against abortion duuuuuh!" and leave it at that.

Incubus seduce you in your dreams. She could have thought it was just a dream.
Title: Re: A dissection of Abel Dimitri Rewanz, how I see Abel (10-21-2006)
Post by: Aridas on October 30, 2006, 07:05:58 PM
I don't remember 100%, but I think there was some indication by amber or something else that explained DMFA cubi are nothing like "real" cubi, which I think you're referring to right now, ninja.. x.x *falls over from headache*
Title: Re: A dissection of Abel Dimitri Rewanz, how I see Abel (10-21-2006)
Post by: ninjannihilator on October 30, 2006, 07:18:33 PM
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on October 30, 2006, 07:05:58 PM
I don't remember 100%, but I think there was some indication by amber or something else that explained DMFA cubi are nothing like "real" cubi, which I think you're referring to right now, ninja.. x.x *falls over from headache*

Don't call me ninja. Read my entire user name. Sorry that I'm doing every other post, just getting my post count up.

I don't remember any explanation but I'll take your word. We'll know eventually, probably in a year.
Title: Re: A dissection of Abel Dimitri Rewanz, how I see Abel (10-21-2006)
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on October 30, 2006, 08:20:01 PM
Quote from: ninjannihilator on October 30, 2006, 07:18:33 PM
Don't call me ninja. Read my entire user name. Sorry that I'm doing every other post, just getting my post count up.

What, ninja nnihilator?
Title: Re: A dissection of Abel Dimitri Rewanz, how I see Abel (10-21-2006)
Post by: ninjannihilator on October 30, 2006, 08:35:07 PM
Ninja Annihilator
:cuss :tantrum :banghead
:paranoid ^_^ :animesweat
Don't worry it happens every time somebody sees my username for the first time ;)
Title: Re: A dissection of Abel Dimitri Rewanz, how I see Abel (10-21-2006)
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on October 30, 2006, 09:05:01 PM
There's only one a in it, though.

Well, two. but you need three...




*snicker*
Title: Re: A dissection of Abel Dimitri Rewanz, how I see Abel (10-21-2006)
Post by: ninjannihilator on October 30, 2006, 09:11:42 PM
ninjaannihilator is too long. I have multiple accounts with this username. I like it because I don't have to follow it with a bunch of numbers. :boogie
Title: Re: A dissection of Abel Dimitri Rewanz, how I see Abel (10-21-2006)
Post by: Roureem Egas on October 30, 2006, 09:18:16 PM
This doesn't seem like a case where one letter will make a difference. :P
Title: Re: A dissection of Abel Dimitri Rewanz, how I see Abel (10-21-2006)
Post by: ninjannihilator on October 30, 2006, 09:31:32 PM
Quote from: Roureem Egas on October 30, 2006, 09:18:16 PM
This doesn't seem like a case where one letter will make a difference. :P
I guess I could do it. I just don't feel like it.
Title: Re: A dissection of Abel Dimitri Rewanz, how I see Abel (10-21-2006)
Post by: grayvn on October 31, 2006, 05:08:44 AM
Can't we just call you Anni or something?  :rolleyes
Title: Re: A dissection of Abel Dimitri Rewanz, how I see Abel (10-21-2006)
Post by: Amber Williams on October 31, 2006, 05:11:09 AM
Quote from: Ink on October 30, 2006, 03:43:20 AM
And a being and a creature will always result in a creature.

You are wrong.
Title: Re: A dissection of Abel Dimitri Rewanz, how I see Abel (10-21-2006)
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on October 31, 2006, 05:43:42 AM
Quote from: Amber Panyko on October 31, 2006, 05:11:09 AM
You are wrong.

.. and -so- slapped down. :-)

*giggle*
Title: Re: A dissection of Abel Dimitri Rewanz, how I see Abel (10-21-2006)
Post by: ShiningShadow on October 31, 2006, 07:23:48 AM
But if in tyhe case of the cheating parent with the incubus comes into the dream and seduced her and she got pregnant. That will explains a lot of things but speculate I love it more. If this happened at some point then I think Amber has something up her sleeve to clear this matter up.
Title: Re: A dissection of Abel Dimitri Rewanz, how I see Abel (10-21-2006)
Post by: Madmann135 on October 31, 2006, 11:52:25 AM
I'm still wondering why Abel is a cubi and here is my new theory.

I'm sticking with my genetics story but I'm going to revise it a little.

There are magical genes in the creatures that if they breed with a being there is a chance that the child will be a being or a creature.  It is that because it requires a combination of genes and magical traits to have a creature child.

Now I'm guessing this so here goes
For Abel his mother carried the Cubi genes but his Father carried the magical properties to activate the genes.  He was an adventurer and said that Adventurers were exposed to all sorts of magics.  I'm saying his mom carried the cubi genes because of her intresting hair.

Now if Abel's mom bred with a diffrent being then their child would have been a normal being, if she bread with a creature then her child would have been a creature (cubi or other). 

My theory comes to satate that because of Both his mom and dad Abel Is a cubi and not a singular parent alone.
Title: Re: A dissection of Abel Dimitri Rewanz, how I see Abel (10-21-2006)
Post by: ShiningShadow on October 31, 2006, 12:11:11 PM
That's a very good theory I agree with you on that one. I'm just waiting for TW to answer on this one what he have to say about this matter or Dr. Ink.
Title: Re: A dissection of Abel Dimitri Rewanz, how I see Abel (10-21-2006)
Post by: Tapewolf on October 31, 2006, 12:17:29 PM
Quote from: ShiningShadow on October 31, 2006, 12:11:11 PM
That's a very good theory I agree with you on that one. I'm just waiting for TW to answer on this one what he have to say about this matter or Dr. Ink.
Since Ink knows far more about that than me, I ain't touching it with a stick.

Unless of course you meant:
Jakob: "And today on Tomorrow's World* we'll be taking a special look at Creature metabiology and inheritance.  But before that, Izak will be talking to Dr. Jyrras about some of his new inventions."


*You probably have to be British and over 20 to get the reference
Title: Re: A dissection of Abel Dimitri Rewanz, how I see Abel (10-21-2006)
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on October 31, 2006, 01:25:48 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on October 31, 2006, 12:17:29 PM
*You probably have to be British and over 20 to get the reference

Probably. I'm not, but you probably are right...
Title: Re: A dissection of Abel Dimitri Rewanz, how I see Abel (10-21-2006)
Post by: ninjannihilator on October 31, 2006, 03:06:28 PM
Quote from: grayvn on October 31, 2006, 05:08:44 AM
Can't we just call you Anni or something?  :rolleyes

N/A

Back on topic: I think Amber will get lazy on this one and just make one of his parents cubi (maybe both). It would also result in cameos for the main story.
Title: Re: A dissection of Abel Dimitri Rewanz, how I see Abel (10-21-2006)
Post by: Tapewolf on October 31, 2006, 03:16:30 PM
Quote from: ninjannihilator on October 31, 2006, 03:06:28 PM
Back on topic: I think Amber will get lazy on this one and just make one of his parents cubi (maybe both). It would also result in cameos for the main story.

Not if they're dead.  According to Abel's bio, Fa'lina has more-or-less adopted him.  That means that either both his parents are dead (and the Being certainly will be) or he's fallen out with them really, really big.
Title: Re: A dissection of Abel Dimitri Rewanz, how I see Abel (10-21-2006)
Post by: ShiningShadow on November 02, 2006, 07:50:56 AM
Who knows what will Amber will shows in the future> maybe the answers will be solved till then and all our question will be answered which leads to more questions.
Title: Re: A dissection of Abel Dimitri Rewanz, how I see Abel (10-21-2006)
Post by: Madmann135 on November 02, 2006, 09:50:46 AM
Questions are never truely answered in this situation.

In this situation one question is answered while a dozen more are made.


Though I still want to know if I'm in the remote area of being right about being a cubi.
Title: Re: A dissection of Abel Dimitri Rewanz, how I see Abel (10-21-2006)
Post by: ShiningShadow on November 02, 2006, 11:54:26 AM
Who knows if the conditions are right maybe you are going to be a Cubi. But i'm speculating here.
Title: Re: A dissection of Abel Dimitri Rewanz, how I see Abel (10-21-2006)
Post by: Roureem Egas on November 02, 2006, 11:55:24 AM
...what speculating?  :zombiekun2
Title: Re: A dissection of Abel Dimitri Rewanz, how I see Abel (10-21-2006)
Post by: Aridas on November 02, 2006, 12:29:41 PM
No offense shiningshadow, but you seem to post way too much about way too little.
Title: Re: A dissection of Abel Dimitri Rewanz, how I see Abel (10-21-2006)
Post by: Stygian on November 02, 2006, 03:51:46 PM
Traditional genetics don't seem to apply to all this. If that were the case, we could all just go and ask Alondro, but the more influential people like Ink and most of all Amber need to have their artistic freedom and creative liberty. But all is not well for that! We see loose ends in all of world. What plot being of incomprehensible not forgiveness. I no make sense! Must thread of logic with science is the beef jerky find. No point. Go make pictures.

*trails off into complete imcomprehendability, befuddled as all the logic has been screwed up by Amber*