The Clockwork Mansion

Felicitations and greetings people of the Clockwork Mansion.
I am Kenik that is to say "Dog Man" if we're being literal. If interpreted negatively it means "Smelly and Arrogant". Positively it means "Loyal and Wise.
Kress is my familial name, it means "Noble", or "Of nobility", taken positively it means "Rightly given power", and negatively it means "Knows better than to commit such crimes".

Expect me to hang out more in the area of the Lost Lake Inn. As I'm really not too versed in the other comics here.
It also appears I've failed to get my avatar up. Such is life I suppose.

I am fond of healing, for its nobility. Music, for its rhythm. Fire, for its dance. Coffee, for its taste. Bats, for their wings. Copper, for its taste. Silver, for its aesthetic. Ponies, for their friendship. Dogs, for their familiarity. The Thesaurus, for its power. Tradition, for its practicality. And Purple, as it is the best color.

I dislike black magic, it never give what it offers. Elephants, for their looks. Monkeys, for their behavior. Alcohol, for its taste. Smoke, for its long term effects. Mice, for their everything. News agencies, for their shadyness. Gender Politics, as it is an unholy fusion of two barely comprehensible concepts. Shipping, for it's predictable inaccuracy. Sunlight, for it burns. Foreign languages, as in my land people should make effort to communicate with me not the inverse.

I have played many a game, and taken them apart to see why they work.
I am aligned closely with Justice, and begrudgingly with Mercy.
I hold a desire to slay those who claim humans are of no value.
My central vice is Sloth, and my central virtue appears to be Fortitude.

Those of you who know Homestuck will understand the following to a certain degree:
I am a Sylph of Heart, a Derse Dreamer, and wielder of Flailkind.
I reside On Locar(Land of Charge and Rhythm). My consorts are Turtles of a Purple hue.
I use the PLAN modus( It can drop, throw, pickup, use, and combine all at once, or in rapid succession. But cannot do anything unless you code out the actions in advance.)

Welcome aboard.  Don't forget to check the rules if you haven't already done so!

But I already did order fries...

Welcome to the board!

That's one hell of an introduction. Welcome, brother! We've been expecting you... >:3

That, is oddly foreboding. But thank you. Also I like making giant text piles.

Oh man, now I want some fries with something.

Now I want curly fries.

Quote from: Kenik on January 27, 2017, 02:54:52 PM
Now I want curly fries.

You monster, now I want curly fries

Now I want curly waffle fries. I don't even know how that would work but I want it.

I don't understand, how could that even come into existence?

Quote from: Castle Pokemetroid on January 27, 2017, 11:14:02 PM
I don't understand, how could that even come into existence?

Aliens.

Fey are another good possibility.

Ugh, just look at that karma, way to make me feel unwanted.

Quote from: Kenik on February 11, 2017, 10:53:57 AM
Ugh, just look at that karma, way to make me feel unwanted.

I'm afraid the comments about 'hating gay stuff' didn't exactly go down well with people who are inclined that way.  I'm sure it will come out in the wash.

 Or perhaps you've just rubbed one person the wrong way. It only takes one person with time on their hands and a will to click someone a lot.

Quote from: Kenik on February 11, 2017, 10:53:57 AM
Ugh, just look at that karma, way to make me feel unwanted.

Ah, there are people here who like to hand out -karma just for kicks. I mean, look at my karma. I'm more negative than positive, yet everyone loves me! ~_^ *insert big sneeze here*

Quote from: Kenik on February 11, 2017, 10:53:57 AM
Ugh, just look at that karma, way to make me feel unwanted.

Karma isn't really something that matters around here. Heck, I remember the karma buttons being reversed some time ago for laffs (unless I'm misremembering things). And as CK pointed out, his is hecka low but he is very well-received. And mine's so high because of one person clicking it a lot for one dumb post I made. Karma is completely irrelevant...

If you want to know how you're doing with everybody, just pay attention to what they say to you.

Quote from: Merlin on February 11, 2017, 07:06:54 PM
Karma isn't really something that matters around here. Heck, I remember the karma buttons being reversed some time ago for laffs (unless I'm misremembering things). And as CK pointed out, his is hecka low but he is very well-received. And mine's so high because of one person clicking it a lot for one dumb post I made. Karma is completely irrelevant...

If you want to know how you're doing with everybody, just pay attention to what they say to you.

You remember correctly about the reversal and I toss out varied karma to pass the time.  Yup.  I get that bored when I'm at work.  I also like to move threads on people sometimes, but I haven't done that in a while...

My interactions here have been pretty mixed feeling. I suppose the big reason it hits so hard is because I'm used to receiving a LOT of hate for being honest.

Quote from: Kenik on February 13, 2017, 07:03:33 AM
My interactions here have been pretty mixed feeling. I suppose the big reason it hits so hard is because I'm used to receiving a LOT of hate for being honest.

Honesty is good, but tact can be better :3

Arguably, but I'd rather be brutally honest if I consider it important.

Quote from: Kenik on February 13, 2017, 02:41:45 PM
Arguably, but I'd rather be brutally honest if I consider it important.

That's fair enough, but if you knowingly say things which people find offensive, you can't exactly complain about it when they get offended...

Kenik, there are gay people on this forum so if you say "gay stuff makes me feel sick" it comes across like you're insulting each and every one of them, or passing judgement on them.

What's more, if you're brutally honest with people, they'll be brutally honest with you. In a way, aren't all those people making things uncomfortable for you simply expressing the same brutal honesty that you think is worthy of protection? For all the hatred you receive, isn't that people just being brutally honest what they think about you?

And that's why honesty is a weak defense, if you really believe you should say whatever you want, you have to accept people doing the same to you in return.

It really helps to consider the point of view of the people you're talking too. You say you've been hit hard by receiving a lot of hate, well many gay people have received a lot of hate too. It's hard to sympathise with you when you seem to be adding to the hate that others receive (whether you intended that or not).

In short, try to be nicer to others and they'll be nicer to you.

You can say "honesty is important" all you want, but is it really important to even bring that stuff up in the first place? Honesty is important to me, however I've been on the forums for years and never felt the need to hop into comic threads and make sure everybody in there knows that I'm a gay satanist. And to do that wouldn't even be an attack on other people, whereas what you said.... well. Sofox is totally correct and way more eloquent than me, as usual.

You guys keep bringing up the "you didn't need to say that" bit. I came to that realization in the middle of that conversation. With all your harping on it though; I'm starting to think you needed me to come in here and shake things up. I'm not hurt by the negative karma, or the hate, I'm hurt that you would think so ill of me despite my intentions.
Next of all; if you are judging people by result, first of all your standards are ridiculously high for dealing with humans. But more relevantly I'm trying to get people to stop having conditions which are bad for their health(see below for more detail). Or at least break the delusion that they are healthy and don't need serious professional help.
However if you are judging people by intent, first of all, your standards are ridiculously low for dealing with humans, and secondly I'm a saint in this view. As I have nothing but the best intentions whether or not my methods can do anything helpful.

Quote from: Sofox on February 13, 2017, 04:10:47 PM
It really helps to consider the point of view of the people you're talking too. You say you've been hit hard by receiving a lot of hate, well many gay people have received a lot of hate too. It's hard to sympathise with you when you seem to be adding to the hate that others receive (whether you intended that or not).

You don't seem to get that I'm trying to be loving through unkindness. A lot of people don't get that touchy feely stuff isn't good for you if its all you get(space to recover is all well and good, unless you get so much of it that its absence will injure you). I get that the homogeneous mass of gay people take it personally when I say that gay stuff is sickening, but there are problems I have with that:
1) Sexual preference is not something you should internalize. That is to say; it should not be central enough that to dislike it is to dislike you. That would be putting all importance on your sexual organs which is a major reason why people with gender dysphoria have a 40% suicide rate, which is worse than twice the suicide rate of depression with worst case bullying as a cherry on top.(Incidentally if people can stop being gay I want them to.)
2) I am a Global Thinker, it is literally impossible for me not to consider the full(or at least majority) ramifications of any idea. When I hear the word "gay" I don't just think "sexual preference different from mine", I also think "butt sex", "every STD brought across borders by people associated with it", "every person who I've met that identifies themselves only by this trait", and how these people are going to be "married" when that tradition was designed to help raise kids which gay people are ill suited to do. (No I'm not being bigoted here, children need a strong male personality, and a strong female personality while growing in order to develop properly, in addition they learn how to deal with authority by how their mother treats their father.) Basically if you associate with all of this stuff, half of which is stuff I don't really agree with, and the rest of which is gross to think about in general. Just. Don't be surprised when I'm not smiling.
3) People think that gay people have brains the same as or near identical to the opposite sex. That however, is giving WAY too much credit to the libido. The actual article said "more like". That's pretty different from identical. To be more specific, there are difficult to communicate parts of gender(which in this instance is defined as the mental portion of biological sex). These parts influence what people are inclined to do, and how they rationalize doing it. I get that there are tomboys, and jessies out there. Sometimes they need each other, sometimes they need someone more like themselves. But for every same sex option there are nearly ten opposite sex options(the entire gender non-binary is 10% of the population, if we're using the questionably generous numbers). That would mean that they are MUCH more stuck in abusive relationships if they get in one. That's not cool, letting that happen is really REALLY not cool. Just pointing out the problem isn't going to help, at least trying to find a way to make gay people strait is trying to do SOMETHING about this absolutely horrible problem.
4) You should never EVER take offense on behalf of ANYONE else. If they are offended then a personal apology should be offered, in the specific circumstance that offense was a justified reaction. Taking offense for others however: Robs the people who are being "attacked" of any opportunity for personal growth. It robs the people who are "offending" of the ability to see the direct ramifications of their actions(and thus the chance for personal growth). And it robs you and everyone who interacts with you of your time. Offense is a personal slight, and you are claiming to be everyone who you are offended on behalf of. That is not healthy, that is not kind, that is not good. And honestly, you don't want to be half those people, they are sick and twisted.

Quote from: Merlin on February 14, 2017, 03:29:34 AM
And to do that wouldn't even be an attack on other people, whereas what you said.... well.

Woah there. Attack? Are you kidding me or delusional? That is a VERY serious thing to make a mistake about. When I say something isn't good for you, you should not be offended because it's a statement of fact if its an illness, and well intended miss otherwise. I don't tell people to stop being gay, it doesn't work so why bother. But the simple fact of the matter is raising children, the single thing I feel is most important about romance in general. Is something these people cannot do properly. And if they don't have a choice about the condition which makes them garbage at it, then they're sick. And if they're sick then letting them delusionally think they're healthy IS FUCKING SICK.
What's more, even if these people are in PERFECTLY good health, bear this in mind: As natural as being gay may be to you, being disgusted by it is equally natural to me. As such, I have the same right to be disgusted that you have to be that. One major reason that being gay was taboo in the past, is because sex is a behind closed doors personal interaction. If part of what is to be kept in the dark finds it's way into the light, that is public indecency. I don't care that there aren't other words for handling it. I don't like it when strait people do that either, because I want to have kids eventually, and I want to tell them the birds and the bees when I feel they're good and ready, not one minute earlier.


Ultimately; you are welcome to disagree with me. But if you're hatred of me is not reciprocated you should probably stop. If you still think I hate any of you, then you have a serious problem we need to talk about. Like right now. And claiming I'm the villain is a poor move if you don't have a moral foundation of your own.

Wait... there are gay people in my forum? WHAT HAVE I WROUGHT?!

I'm going to be blunt with you, Kenik, since you seem keen on that sort of thing:  I don't care for any sort of preachy bullshit.  I didn't like it when someone came here to 'educate us about the ugliness of intolerance' and I don't like it when it's the 'mental illness that is homosexuality' crowd, either.  This isn't the place for your preaching.  Several folks (including a mod ffs, are you fucking blind?) have asked you very politely to step back and you've ignored that.  That is not how one holds civil discourse and ultimately is a stupid and douchey thing to do.

You can hold whatever views you like.  I frankly don't give a fuck.  However, if you're being a dick about it then you get the boots, capiche?

So to the point:  Tone it down, or take a hike.  This primarily is a forum for webcomics, not your stupid culture, religious or any other topic wars.  Either share in your love for a mutual interest, or piss off.  Consider this an official warning.

And a little note?  Sofox gave you some solid advice:  be nice and listen to others and they'll be nice and listen to you.  Think on that very carefully when you consider the kind of responses you're getting that you seem oh-so upset about.  No one likes a thin-skinned e-tough-guy.

Fucking wankers.

Exactly as Mow said, although I probably would have cussed more and maybe banned you as well. He's nicer than I am... and just let that sink in for a second.

In case you are wondering, I've counted a number of potential rule offenses you've already broken. Namely:

Rule I (of course, because it pretty much encompasses all the other rules)
Rule II (with maybe some treading on IIA)
Rule III (slightly -- that long post certainly veered into it, and I didn't find it amusing enough to let it slide)

And, depending on how strict we want to be, Rule VI was kind of touched on (since this has become less of a hello thread and more a discussion about how big a homophobic douche you are) and Rule XIII (since it kind of feels like you're complaining about this place).

Now, if you want to start a thread for open discussion about politics, feel free to open that debate in the Outer Fortress. I will happily own your ass all up and down that thread.

EDIT: FYI, it takes a lot for me to actually pay attention around here. You managed to get me to stand up and take notice. Maybe don't be proud of that.

Quote from: Darkmoon on February 15, 2017, 08:07:51 PM
EDIT: FYI, it takes a lot for me to actually pay attention around here. You managed to get me to stand up and take notice. Maybe don't be proud of that.

Same.  I can't even remember the last time I was actively posting in here.  Lurking?  Always.  You managed to get the attention of two mods and an admin/site owner.  Fucking amazing levels of douchebaggery in such a short time.

That's the thing. I'm always here, checking at least daily to make sure some idiot hasn't burned the place down before I get a chance to. I don't post (or, really, check much of anything) but you can bet if anything is brought to my attention I will zoom in to drop the thunder.

(Spoiler: the thunder in my penis)

Quote from: Darkmoon on February 15, 2017, 08:23:13 PM
(Spoiler: the thunder in my penis)

BTW - it is.

Seriously, that thing is like Thor's hammer.  Jewish Mjölnir all up in there.

Quote from: Mao on February 15, 2017, 08:26:19 PM
Seriously, that thing is like Thor's hammer.  Jewish Mjölnir all up in there.

Yeeeeessssssss. Perfect description!

So it's like this

(http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view7/4467507/thor-s-gay-hammer-spin-o.gif)

but in the crotchal region? That's amazing

Lordy Lordy Lordy, this is getting out of hand...

:over

Quote from: Merlin on February 15, 2017, 08:42:29 PM
So it's like this

(http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view7/4467507/thor-s-gay-hammer-spin-o.gif)

but in the crotchal region? That's amazing

Every. Time.

*flappa flappa flappa zooooooooooooooom*

Never had any complaints.

Quote from: CubiKitsune on February 15, 2017, 08:52:16 PM
Lordy Lordy Lordy, this is getting out of hand...

that's what she said *snaps*

Well... well played. *applaud*

 Wow...this blew up fast. And to think, I seem to have started this by giving a few negative karma points to someone who rubbed me the wrong way as a lark.

Sometimes, the smallest pebble can cause the largest waves.

Quote from: Mao on February 15, 2017, 09:18:38 PM
Sometimes, the smallest pebble can cause the largest waves.

True, but I'm still amazed at the direction they take at times.

When the waves are caused by throwing an idiot into the river, there's only one way they can go at this place.

Wow, not 100% sure why people always think I'm screaming in rage or whatever, considering my typical use of periods is supposed to intone as neutral. But yeah, I kinda figured you guys wouldn't really care too much what my reasons were. Or that for everything I say there are two I can't find words for.

Also don't call me homophobic that's not a condition most people have and literally means "fear of the same". Which is 1 not the condition you are trying to describe. 2 The condition you are trying to describe is not an irrational fear, unless you are trying to describe that in which case you've picked the wrong word and managed to misread my post beyond what I'd let slide as my autism getting in the way of communication. And 3 Being concerned for someones safety on account all serious research points to their stated condition being dangerous to have, is not being afraid of them, or really any more harmful than a mere conspiracy theorist.
On the other points though. You guys honestly could have made a shorter explanation. I can't take a hint, but I'm not stupid. Just say that you don't want that kind of discussion around. I'll get it, just be direct.
And I've said it once I'll say it again: I Got The Fucking Point. It doesn't need to be brought up, and your attempts at explaining yourselves are in themselves irksome. Heck I can even understand WHY you wouldn't want this kind of discussion, considering I've seen myself that these arguments never end if either party is halfway decent at making a point.
Though I don't consider your assessment of rules violations to be correct, it's not really my call. And if you take me for a violator and kick me out, I'm just going to accept that as life and move on.

Bottom line: You hit your mark, and then blew it. My respect gained and lost. You are back to being normal moderators to me; worthy of respect, but not admiration.

Edit: I'll just offer you guys a binary option.

You can make a thread for discussing this polarizing stuff with me. I'll try to be polite as long as the rules of discussion etiquette are followed. And will try to confine any snark to a post by post basis. Send link of it to me in a private message. I would point out that if you directly insult me I'm not going to hold back in following posts, and will berate in addition to pointing out flaws in the argument. I've no intent to make that topic though, as it amounts to picking a fight with everyone who disagrees. Thus the posting of what I find relevant to myself on this thread.

The other option is to drop the topic. I'm competitive enough that I'm not likely to let someone else have the last laugh. And in realizing that I've decided to offer this, and give myself a tiny victory while giving you what you want.

Oh no, I've lost someone's respect. Whatever will I do?

*cough*

I'll just leave this here for you to chew on it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homophobia

TL;DR: You're a homophobe. Deal with it.

Oh dear Kenik, you're cute thinking that we care if you admire or respect us. We're moderators. That's all. We do not need or require anything from you besides having you FOLLOW THE RULES.

Learn from your mistake.

You do not get to tell us how to respond to your decision to bring up something that was unnecessary for this forum. Political stuff? Put it in its own thread. You're the one that brought it up in the first place so if you want to keep at it you get to make a separate thread for it. We are not going to pander to your need to control anything here.

When I corrected your use of homophobia I was aware of how people use the fucking word. I just think it's a retarded word, and honestly diminishes the value of phobia as a descriptor.

Also when the hell did I demand control? I've explained my view or rather what of it seemed relevant to the topic. And the initial mention was me mentioning discomfort. I'm half okay with characters being gay. But at it's most insanely common it's like 10% of the population. And it just seems a bit overexposed in popular culture. But what bothers me more:
Shippers, always the fucking shippers. No need to pay attention to the guy who has more than a thousand years worth of relationship advice crammed into his head. The guy who actually proved he knows his stuff by getting it right on the first try. Nah, everyone wants to make their own way, and listen to people who have anecdotal medical experience describe an ill studied facet of one of human culture's most ridiculously complicated facets. And they want to tell me these relationships are going to last? No, just no. Some of them, the best of them, would last about 3 years barring unfathomable amounts of outside influence.
You wanna know how to sniff out a relationship that can work out? Imagine the couple trying to raise kids, if they are too childish, then it MAYBE would be good in a few years. If one of them is a compulsive liar, there's not much way his kids are going to respect his word of honor, or take any useful advice he has to heart. Why don't I like gay couples? What can a second father do that the first cannot? Where is the influence of femininity? Reversing the genders it works exactly the same.
I know a lot of stuff is subjective, but this isn't. My grandmother's, grandmother's, grandfather's father taught me that much.

But that stuff is irrelevant. I'm here because I like the comic. Not much more, not much less.
I keep talking because people keep on saying condescending bullshit that makes me want to strangle them.

(http://i.imgur.com/3SS7ZSH.gif)

Quote from: Kenik on February 22, 2017, 04:07:40 AM
When I corrected your use of homophobia I was aware of how people use the fucking word. I just think it's a retarded word, and honestly diminishes the value of phobia as a descriptor.

Also when the hell did I demand control? I've explained my view or rather what of it seemed relevant to the topic. And the initial mention was me mentioning discomfort. I'm half okay with characters being gay. But at it's most insanely common it's like 10% of the population. And it just seems a bit overexposed in popular culture. But what bothers me more:
Shippers, always the fucking shippers. No need to pay attention to the guy who has more than a thousand years worth of relationship advice crammed into his head. The guy who actually proved he knows his stuff by getting it right on the first try. Nah, everyone wants to make their own way, and listen to people who have anecdotal medical experience describe an ill studied facet of one of human culture's most ridiculously complicated facets. And they want to tell me these relationships are going to last? No, just no. Some of them, the best of them, would last about 3 years barring unfathomable amounts of outside influence.
You wanna know how to sniff out a relationship that can work out? Imagine the couple trying to raise kids, if they are too childish, then it MAYBE would be good in a few years. If one of them is a compulsive liar, there's not much way his kids are going to respect his word of honor, or take any useful advice he has to heart. Why don't I like gay couples? What can a second father do that the first cannot? Where is the influence of femininity? Reversing the genders it works exactly the same.
I know a lot of stuff is subjective, but this isn't. My grandmother's, grandmother's, grandfather's father taught me that much.

But that stuff is irrelevant. I'm here because I like the comic. Not much more, not much less.
I keep talking because people keep on saying condescending bullshit that makes me want to strangle them.

You know, if you want to make this argument it's good to not do it with someone who was raised by two women. Lesbian women. Maybe you should rethink where you spew your hateful bigotry.

And, fuckwit, just because you hate a word doesn't mean you get to redefine it.

Quote from: Kenik on February 22, 2017, 04:07:40 AM
Also when the hell did I demand control?

Quote from: Kenik on February 21, 2017, 04:11:41 PM
You can make a thread for discussing this polarizing stuff with me.

You said this after we told you to move the topic of your disgust for normal human activity to a separate thread. By you trying to tell us to make a special thread for your own special interests sounds a lot like you trying to control the situation. Again, you don't get to tell us what to do and we get to tell you how you've broken the rules (cited by Darkmoon in a previous reply).

Just learn from your mistake.

...and feel free to strangle away - it's not going to do you any bit of good around here.

Seriously, you come in, say homophobic things (because you're a homophobe) and then get mad at us when we point it out and tell you're violating the rules. Yes, we're the bad guys here.

*rolleyes*

And thus lo and behold, on the twenty third day the clouds parted as the cherubic trumpets sounded and Amber stepped forward from her enclave of Nyquil and Neocitrin, awash in ego and a desire to speak in the third person.  And from one of her seven mouths Amber spoketh these following words.

LET IT BE KNOWN, that the world of DMFA...is not our world.  Shocking I know. This revelation alone may crush and shatter the masses.  But it is true.  It is a fantasy world, a world inhabited by an assortment of mythical creatures.  A world where the fae can snap their fingers and shatter mountains.  Where creatures that live for thousands of years mingle and perhaps even have children with individuals who may only live for a hundred. Where the undead literally walk amongst the living powered by magic.  And so, it is with this knowledge I shall reveal to you the fact that for the vast majority of the DMFA world...homosexuality in it is not really that big of a deal to the majority of the population.  Yes, there are certainly some areas where it is considered more of an iffy thing...primarily in very being heavy corners of the globe.  But for the great and overwhelming majority, orientation is not really that big an issue. 

LET IT BE KNOWN, that the creator of DMFA...a snarglebeast of about 34 years of age at this point...is an individual who is also fairly pro-LGTB.  And so if people are a bit puckered about the possible risk of there ever being mention of such non-hetero normative things in the comic and moreso of them being shown in a normal or positive light...I highly encourage ya'll to tuck and roll off Mr. Bones wild ride here and now because I can assure you the ride ain't gonna stop.

And finally, LET IT BE KNOWN...that while I aim to be a tolerant person in regards to anyone's opinions regardless of if I agree or vehemently disagree...what matters more than the opinion is how the person presenting the opinion holds themselves. Like the metaphor of a salesman selling an ice machine to an eskimo...whenever one has a stance or opinion they are a representative of that opinion and are ultimately responsible for selling it to they audience.  And trying to claim 'brutally honest' is a poor man's excuse to make up for the fact they are just really awful at debating and are too lazy to actually take the time to hone the skill, instead claiming it is 'just how they are'. 

This thread is a tragedy. It seriously needs a greek choir at the start and in the second act and maybe one at the end for when the main character ends up answering some riddles wrong and gets run over by Helios' chariot as some sort of metaphor regarding those who desire to become a martyr get run over by Helios' chariot because they didn't get out of the way.  Which I'm sure is coming around the bend like all these things do. Which is really the most tragic thing of them all in how remarkably formulaic this always plays out.  Much in the same way as the kid who thinks they are the first one to ever come up with the sneaky idea of moving their veggies around the plate to make it look like they have less of them...people always seem to think they are the first to bust things wide open with shocking opinions and making waves when really the whole thing is just cookie cutter.  Like really. No one's opinions are going to change from this whole escapade.  No one here is suddenly going to go "why golly gee you're right!" much like I highly doubt the person who started this is going to suddenly turn about and change their stance.  So why continue this charade? Surprise me, part ways and let this end before act three with Helios chariot comes in. 

But no...last words likely need to be attempted.  Martyrdom must be achieved.  The perfect response must be formulated in the mindset that 'yes yes. Truly once I make this post, I will have radicallly BUSTED THIS DOOR WIDE OPEN and everyone will marvel'.  The dance. The tragedy. The choir. It continues.

And so it goes. 

 *grabs a toga and begins to sing*

Quote from: Sprocketsdance on February 22, 2017, 05:53:02 PM

Quote from: Kenik on February 22, 2017, 04:07:40 AM
Also when the hell did I demand control?

Quote from: Kenik on February 21, 2017, 04:11:41 PM
You can make a thread for discussing this polarizing stuff with me.

You said this after we told you to move the topic of your disgust for normal human activity to a separate thread. By you trying to tell us to make a special thread for your own special interests sounds a lot like you trying to control the situation. Again, you don't get to tell us what to do and we get to tell you how you've broken the rules (cited by Darkmoon in a previous reply).

Just learn from your mistake.

...and feel free to strangle away - it's not going to do you any bit of good around here.

That does seem to be the primary point of contention at this point. But you seem to have read it backwards.
I was openly putting the choice to keep this argument going in your hands.
And staking it on my word of honor, that if you took either of those options that I would do exactly as I said.
I did this for distrust of my own self control. While also understanding you never needed to take either option.
If you want this situation entirely quiet, all we have to do is agree to drop it.


But you wanna talk about the rules? Reread this discussion with Rule X in mind. If you wanted me to calm down a one on one is the best option. Because it's the best option, no matter who you're talking to.
As for what I've been accused of:
Rule 1: I'm sorry, not terribly sorry. But I do regret that enough to avoid doing this again.
Rule 2: I didn't come here to pick fights. I voiced discomfort with certain characters and how they're treated. It would have been dropped in the first discussion if you let it die there.
Rule 3: It takes two to tango. I would have preferred if I were skilled enough to keep this a calm discussion between peers. But if we are being honest, It has taken 16 years of practice to get as almost mediocre as I am. It doesn't look like I'll ever be truly eloquent, but we didn't sail the seas because we decided the water was too deep.

I don't know any of you people, I'd like to. If for no other reason than I feel it's healthiest to regularly deal with people who completely disagree with you.
You are welcome to believe homosexuality is okay. I never took that away, I never tried to take that away. I just openly disagree, if that bothers you then you are welcome to discuss it in private. Or more likely quietly sneer at me, people seem fond of that option.

One note though: Darkmoon if you had such a personal stake in this PERHAPS YOU SHOULD HAVE BENCHED YOURSELF. Nothing you had to say did ANYTHING to improve the situation. If you had I dunno, let one of the people with a more neutral tone handle this, it would probably have resolved more calmly and concisely.
You have personal reasons for disliking my opinions; that's fine. But bear in mind I have personal reasons for disliking yours. Neither of us can claim to be more reasonable, or more correct. My dislike of your kind is cemented in the attempt made on my life by your ilk. My attempts at diplomacy are attempts to broaden horizons of all involved.
You are only my enemy because you've decided to be.

My dude, it doesn't matter how eloquent your replies are, or how intelligent and above it all you THINK you sound, nothing quite tops being so out of touch that you go out of your way to tell one of the owners of the forum how to behave.

I am 100% certain you did not read Amber's response and that's a shame because it's the best thing I have ever read and will ever read. The irony of this whole thing is perfect. I look forward to seeing the Grand Mab's prophecy fulfill itself.

Okay, let me tell you how this works in words small enough you can understand:

1) you come on to a forum with a large furry contingent. Your feelings for certain types of people being what they are you FAIL to read the god damned room and post how you hate gay people (dislike, find them icky, are secretly aroused by them, whatever). In case you didn't realize it, there are a fair number of LGBT people in the furry community and, even if you didn't realize that, every single one of the comic here has some kind of LGBT friendly content in it (even if none of us make a big deal of it).

Strike 1

2) you then proceed to bitch about how everyone is making a big deal about the thing YOU EXPLICITLY brought up. There's making a mistake then there's being a fucking troll. Plus, even after FOUR mods told you to pipe down, you KEPT at it.

Strike 2

3) you tried to tell me how to act on my forum (which is yet another rule you've broken). This is not a democracy but s straight up tyrannical dictatorship, and what I say goes. While we prize free speech here we ask that you either be funny or respectful with your opinions. You were neither.

Strike 3

Now we get to put my tyranny to the test. Too bad, so sad, GTFO.

AND SO IT WAS WRITTEN.

AND SO ANOTHER SPEEDBUMP FOR HELIOS WAS MADE.

BRING FORTH THE GREEK CHOIR FOR THE CLOSING ACT.

And there was much rejoicing... :boogie

All hail our glorious dictator

Quote from: Merlin on February 23, 2017, 04:05:44 PM
All hail our glorious dictator

I like to think I wear it well. 😉

Kenik's Arrival
An Internet Company production
Starring: A bunch of people on the internet

Sofox's Review:
3/5 stars

Lots of good drama with nice build up but very predictable ending. Watch for the performances (including a great cameo in a One-Scene Wonder), and at decent take on somewhat tired material, but leave wondering if the internet will ever stop feeding us the same storylines over and over again. Hoping there isn't a sequel, but know that I'll probably watch it if there is, just to see if the makers do anything new.

1/5 stars

...would eat there again.

Aw, man. I spent so long looking for my toga I missed this entirely. :-(