Matches... hm...
She didn't kill anyone then. Yay!
But darn, I was hoping we'd see who's talking to her.
Ah, Kria's formative years. Back when she wasn't okay with the whole eat-or-be-eaten demonic mentality. Years of schooling amongst other demons ground away her concience until she's the being-eating beastie we all know and love today. Insert comment about educational institutions here.
So, seeing as there's been one confirmed fatality on the "Bad-Guy" side, I think it's safe to say that Able is the only survivor.
Alas, poor Glory...we hardly knew ye.
But enough mourning. More speculating!
So apparently, Demons have a schooling program similar to SAIA in the current DMFA arc. Anyone willing to venture a guess as to who this mysterious voice may belong to?
mourning glory? This isn't turning into some kind of joke is it?
Quotemourning glory? This isn't turning into some kind of joke is it?
I assure you, any sort of punnage is sheerly coincidence.
it's a 3-fingered hand...
could be dark pegasus... or kria's father (or both, who knows)
edit: or piccolo, which would explain the makankousappo spells back then >:3
Quote from: modelincardShe didn't kill anyone then. Yay!
Well, she didn't kill any of her targets, anyway. Devin and Xander were probably just in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Quote from: Jack McSlayit's a 3-fingered hand...
could be dark pegasus... or kria's father (or both, who knows)
I believe that's her own hand.
*Charles hmms* Well well, who is Kria's mysterious teacher? It's someone cold and cruel, heartless, merciless, savage, bloodthirsty, evil, wicked, monsterous, devlish... it could be Fa'lina. Abel might never come to know the truth, after all. It could be Dark Pegasus, as he fits all the aforementioned characteristics. It also somewhat fits the venemous Dr. Ink, yet it's lacking his wry style of speech. And then, it could also be... erf... it couldn't be... :eek
Well in the first panel, there's a shadow of a hand, with probably a regular amount of fingers, since thre's a thumb and finger extended, but the rest aren't visible, so there's no conclusion
Oh, that. I was thinking that was just part of the pattern on her wing.
The mysterious hand only looks to have three fingers to me as well.
It was me! Muahahahaha! :bat I am happy to see Kria was not the killer and that the dude in the tower is quite dead. :)
Well, she might have killed Glory's group. I have no idea why everybody was up in arms over Devin and Xander's deaths, but glory and gang are barely even mentioned, save for mocking and punning.
*Reads something about her being a 'student'*
...Wha? Isn't she like... a couple hundred years old? How much schooling does she need at this point?
*checks cast pages*
Kria's only ~19 years older than Abel? Am I the only one clueing in to this right now? *feels somewhat dumb now*
Oh well, yay for Kria not killing Devin + Xander!
I knew it was a test!! I had a werid feeling in my bones...
Quote from: Zedd on January 26, 2007, 11:02:09 PM
I knew it was a test!! I had a werid feeling in my bones...
No, that was scoliosis.
Kria needs more pouty face. And a sugary sweet background. :3 Then we'll see how long everyone's teeth lasts.
Anway, I think the shadowy figure might be a brand new character who might end up having to help Abel later on, just to screw with the fan's minds.
And darn you Kenji for beating me to the point!
STOP IT, YOU FANBOYS!
Now, on to speculation... Whose hand is that? Well, determining from the type of claws and fingers, and the figure of a bracer... It certainly is not Dark Pegasus. It looks more like... Pyroduck...
Nay good sir...I dought he was ever evil like that...
Quote from: Stygian on January 26, 2007, 11:06:14 PM
STOP IT, YOU FANBOYS!
Now, on to speculation... Whose hand is that? Well, determining from the type of claws and fingers, and the figure of a bracer... It certainly is not Dark Pegasus. It looks more like... Pyroduck...
Isn't that a bit hypocritical?
and isn't Pyroduck from the future?
Is this the APF thread? :P >:3
Quote from: Stygian on January 26, 2007, 11:06:14 PMWell, determining from the type of claws and fingers, and the figure of a bracer...
Where do you get the bracer? If I had to guess, I'd call it a sweater with the sleeve rolled up.
Hrm. ``Choke on a bone.'' I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that that isn't a random statement. The undead race doesn't seem to be old enough to be there, so we're left with a dog or a vulture, perhaps?
Also, I don't know if this is intentional, but I like how Kria's scenes switch between the left and right sides of her face. It really heightens the confusion and drama of the confrontation.
It makes Kria look like a captured animal thrashing about in an effort to get free. Even if that's not intentional, I'm willing to give Amber credit for it so long as she does it again.
...I KNOW IT'S ST. BLAISE!
It looks like whatever Kria gave Abel was some sort of patch or something that hid his headwings. I spent a few seconds looking for them...
Quote from: Valynth on January 26, 2007, 10:52:54 PM
Well, she might have killed Glory's group. I have no idea why everybody was up in arms over Devin and Xander's deaths, but glory and gang are barely even mentioned, save for mocking and punning.
We had time to 'get to know' Devin and Xander. Despite Devin's smartass front, he really was a decent person. Glory + gang had about 10 seconds worth of screen time before all hell broke loose, and all we had was a few "holier than thou" remarks and some comments from Devin implying she was the stereotypical "Lawful Stupid" paladin.
In other words, the former had character development, while the latter were red shirts. So far.
Been there and done that test.
All "ELITE" militaries have a version of the "Ultimate Test" where you have to kill some one.
In the more PC Militaries like in the USA you just need to stay awake for 3 days and then kill 50 people and then reconstruct a hard drive with a bullet hole through it.
This is day #1 of SEAL training.
Quote from: Zorro on January 27, 2007, 12:53:45 AM
Been there and done that test.
All "ELITE" militaries have a version of the "Ultimate Test" where you have to kill some one.
In the more PC Militaries like in the USA you just need to stay awake for 3 days and then kill 50 people and then reconstruct a hard drive with a bullet hole through it.
This is day #1 of SEAL training.
Day 2 you have to do it all over again... but underwater. Or maybe while freefalling from several thousand feet.
She is a minion of the creature council, as we have seen in current time, this may be the initiation for that. Surprised she hasn't killed her way to higher up in it yet.
Quote from: Manawolf on January 27, 2007, 01:24:04 AMShe is a minion of the creature council, as we have seen in current time, this may be the initiation for that.
She is not a minion of the Creature Council; the Creature Council is riding her ass. Not very hard, granted, but they are giving her grief. If you're referring to 365 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_365.php), it doesn't look like she was ordered to get Jyrras' invention--in fact, it looks like she had it confiscated off of her.
Such things can be the same way, she could be a higher up like the Turks in FF7, but still be pulled back on her leash by her superiors if they feel the need.
Quote from: PretzelIt looks like whatever Kria gave Abel was some sort of patch or something that hid his headwings. I spent a few seconds looking for them...
Heh, I hadn't even noticed, and they've been gone for 3 strips already.
Quote from: Manawolf on January 27, 2007, 01:45:52 AMSuch things can be the same way, she could be a higher up like the Turks in FF7, but still be pulled back on her leash by her superiors if they feel the need.
No, it appears to be a pretty antagonistic relationship, what with them consistently fining her. Usually, if you wind up breaking the rules that your work is supposed to enforce, either the incidents will be covered up or you will be forced to resign.
Oh, that's just a blanket for when the beings find out about her usual massacres, and she's probably too valuable to just have "resign" (which by their terms would probably mean more of a "termination").
And once again, demons aren't know too well for following orders.
Quote from: Manawolf on January 27, 2007, 02:24:13 AMOh, that's just a blanket for when the beings find out about her usual massacres, and she's probably too valuable to just have "resign" (which by their terms would probably mean more of a "termination").
Nah. I'm trying to think of a good example of a cover-up, but if you are an embarrassment to the court, they can't afford not to send you packing.
Also, they'd better not enforce life terms for council members, since many of them would probably like to move on after a few thousand years.
Hardly see how killing those who the council deem to be weak and of no importance to be an embarrasment to them, if anything it's a speed bump and little more.
Quote from: Manawolf on January 27, 2007, 02:59:44 AMHardly see how killing those who the council deem to be weak and of no importance to be an embarrasment to them, if anything it's a speed bump and little more.
Well, killing off your staff tends to make it a bit difficult to encourage new hires.
That and creatures don't tend to see fellow creatures as inferior, and would be disinclined to kill them off.
For some reason I heard the classic C&C voiced, "Mission Failed". Weak hearted and Kria, there's a mix I never thought I'd see. I am under the assumption though soon perhaps a Kria fan mob will go the what can be assumed as the tester, with at least a bone to choke him/her/it on :)
That is a hand shadow, and although it does look very much like wing-patterning, if you look at 67/65 where she's just taken the charm off, there's nothing like it so it's definitely a hand.
Now it doesn't match Xander's wrist, but it does match Devin's with the bracer. Even more creepy, they're standing about where Devin should be relative to Kria.
I'm not sure I believe it but if Amber has done the Keyser Soze thing, it's going to really mess up his Wiki entry :dface
As for Glory, I don't care about her. Devin and Xander aside, I'm a tad more concerned about the other two because that would be like Amber borrowed two people's characters and returned them in bits >:3
What about Selev? The dead creature mentioned in the last panel? Brother? Sister? Fellow pupil? It makes sense to me that the teacher would be a parent who is teaching her the ways of being a demon, just like she is doing with her own daughter. As mentioned, living as a demon for so long has made her set in her ways.
What happens if she came across Abel now? Would she remember the way she used to feel? Would she realise the hypocrisy she is now trying to pass on to her daughter? True Kira was 'betrayed' by a being, that might also effect her life view.
"He's just a baby?"
Well, technically, so was Devin and Xander. They grew up together with Abel. Okay, they were Beings, Abel was a Creature. So relatively speaking Abel was younger.
I think it's just an affectionate label Kria gave him.
And he was much more immature than Devin and Xander, but I don't think that would have saved him.
Anyway, I am unsure if I should be happy or disappointed about this.
I mean, Kria and "soft-heartened"? Being a cruel, merciless and random killer was her strongest (and sometimes only) personality trait. I wouldn't like to believe that she didn't grew up into that role but that it was taught to her.
I was kind of hoping that she was already established in her rampaging personality and that she was just making an exception on Abel.
It could still be. Ignoring the "he's just a baby" comment she sounds exactly like that. But that "your weak-heartedness will be your undoing" could indicate that it goes further.
What I hope is the following: That it was indeed just a snappy comment by a tutor who doesn't like even a single and minor fault. That this was not Kria's first assignment and is just the first where she showed such a weakness.
I mean, it wouldn't change much. After all, we know the later Kria and know that given her later rampages, these couple of dead here are probably was something minor and hardly worth mentioning.
Excellent comic! I really enjoyed the touch of Kria flicking her mentor off (whether accidental or intentional).
I don't think that the mysterious figure has a bracer on, though. It looks more like a cuff.
I get the feeling that the mentor finished off Devin after Selev died, and Kria was on the ground to clean up the leftovers. Perhaps her projectile magic is not too strong.
Quote from: Stygian on January 26, 2007, 11:06:14 PMSTOP IT, YOU FANBOYS!
Now, on to speculation... Whose hand is that? Well, determining from the type of claws and fingers, and the figure of a bracer... It certainly is not Dark Pegasus. It looks more like... Pyroduck...
why? it happened over 350 years ago, DP could pretty much have used bracers back then. Kria is not using her current outfit either.
and being a demon he can shape his fingers into having big claws, small claws, or no claws at all.
It's a fantasy world so nobody changes clothes EVER :P
Except when they do change clothes... but that doesn't count.
Quote from: Tapewolf on January 27, 2007, 04:56:35 AMNow it doesn't match Xander's wrist, but it does match Devin's with the bracer. Even more creepy, they're standing about where Devin should be relative to Kria.
The obvious question would be why his voice faded out. The obvious answer would be that he was installing a mind shield.
But after that, it really does appear to be a three-fingered hand, and Devin had four fingers.
Furthermore, the instructor is not standing where Devin should be. Look behind Kria. You can see the cart and the building behind her to her right (your left). In the previous strip, it looks like she's trying to look behind her, and the building is to her left.
She turned around. Devin's body is probably somewhere slightly behind her and to the right in today's strip.
Quote from: Tycoon on January 27, 2007, 06:20:16 AMI get the feeling that the mentor finished off Devin after Selev died, and Kria was on the ground to clean up the leftovers. Perhaps her projectile magic is not too strong.
If I were running an adventuring course, I would probably rotate the jobs that my students do, so that one week, I'd test a student on projectiles, and another week, I'd test that same student on clean-up.
She's not going to get any points for killing Devin this week, so she let the instructor kill him.
Yes, if you look at the angle from which the magic attack was cast, it came from behind and to the right... behind and to the right! There had to be a second caster from the grassy hillock!
It was all a conspiracy! D:
Quote from: Alondro on January 27, 2007, 10:29:20 AM
Yes, if you look at the angle from which the magic attack was cast, it came from behind and to the right... behind and to the right! There had to be a second caster from the grassy hillock!
It was all a conspiracy! D:
So you mean it was actualy a time traveling devin from an alternate future come back to kill himself to avert a catastrophey that his surving sets in motion
Quote from: superluser on January 27, 2007, 09:56:18 AM
But after that, it really does appear to be a three-fingered hand, and Devin had four fingers.
Furthermore, the instructor is not standing where Devin should be.
Actually the bigger problem with the theory is how Devin could have been Abel's age and without wings. An answer to that would have been that he was an adult 'cubi, but things start to spiral out of control after that.
Quote from: HaZ×MaT on January 27, 2007, 01:47:18 AM
Quote from: PretzelIt looks like whatever Kria gave Abel was some sort of patch or something that hid his headwings. I spent a few seconds looking for them...
Heh, I hadn't even noticed, and they've been gone for 3 strips already.
You should pay more attention to the forum. There's enough people here eyeballing every panel with the utmost intent, no details get missed here. ^^
Anyway, the moment Kria passed that Brooch of hers onto Abel, her wings emerged and both pairs of Abel's wings disappeared. No one can say exactly what the thing is, but it's clearly got the power to hide the abnormal features of creatures that don't want to stand out.
Anyway....that's her hand. Clearly. And like the others, I'm quite curious as to who it is she's talking to... the mention of Dark Pegasus is an interesting suggestion.... who knows? It might be someone new. Though it's apparent that Kria wasn't one of the killers here....guess that'll make the forumites happy. Personally I'm a little dissapointed. :S
What's up with Kria's wings? Did she get some bad Botox or something and now they're paralyzed? She's been walking around with them fully unfolded for three strips now. If you tried that up where I live, you'd wind up getting blown down a couple blocks, and having the wind tear a few holes in your wings.
(I suppose she might just be stretching them, since they've been bound up for so long.)
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Quote from: Tapewolf on January 27, 2007, 10:51:16 AMActually the bigger problem with the theory is how Devin could have been Abel's age and without wings. An answer to that would have been that he was an adult 'cubi, but things start to spiral out of control after that.
There are many problems with that theory. I simply left it at a couple of easily testable arguments, mainly because I forgot the other points that I was going to make. (Next time, I'll list `em on a napkin!)
Quote from: Goatmon on January 27, 2007, 11:09:05 AMAnyway....that's her hand. Clearly.
Unless she developed a detachable third hand recently, we can see both of her hands in panel one, PLUS a third hand in silhouette in panel one. To quote Goatmon:``You should pay more attention to the forum.''
Quote from: Goatmon on January 27, 2007, 11:09:05 AMIt might be someone new. Though it's apparent that Kria wasn't one of the killers here....guess that'll make the forumites happy. Personally I'm a little dissapointed.
I'm thinking that it pretty much has to be someone new. As regards your second sentence, I seriously doubt that Kria would take an adventuring course with no intention of doing actual adventuring. Unless it's that one last course that you have to take that's worth one credit.
so it was "the Shadow Claw" Of corse I knew it all along! Ha ha I gloat like a moron who thinks he knows everything!...
...truthfully I'm disappointed, is it possible Amber hasn't decided who her villian is?
Quote from: GabrielsThoughts on January 27, 2007, 11:37:41 AM
so it was "the Shadow Claw" Of corse I knew it all along! Ha ha I gloat like a moron who thinks he knows everything!...
...truthfully I'm disappointed, is it possible Amber hasn't decided who her villian is?
Dr. Claw?
"I'll get you next time, Abel! Next time!"
Okay, I was talking about her killing beings, not other creatures. I don't she's done any of that yet.
Quote from: superluser on January 27, 2007, 11:27:38 AM
What's up with Kria's wings? Did she get some bad Botox or something and now they're paralyzed? She's been walking around with them fully unfolded for three strips now. If you tried that up where I live, you'd wind up getting blown down a couple blocks, and having the wind tear a few holes in your wings.
(I suppose she might just be stretching them, since they've been bound up for so long.)
The other possibility is that they're spread in an unconscious effort to make herself look bigger, in the same way that most critters respond to what they perceive as threatening behaviours.
I can guess the first panel or so is just stretching, then they fold down during the conversation with Abel, then stretch again after the "third party" speaks. Mostly, they're off-camera, but from what I can see, that's a reasonable theory...
And having them respond to subconscious commands is pretty much what you'd expect to happen - it's not like you think "lift left arm, move three inches forwards, no, make that 16 centimetres, fold fingers around hand of cup, lift cup, bring cup back to mouth, tilt cup....." etc etc. No, you just think "I think I'll have a sip of tea..." and your brain sorts the rest out. :-)
Quote from: Manawolf on January 27, 2007, 12:00:33 PMOkay, I was talking about her killing beings, not other creatures. I don't she's done any of that yet.
Quotes, man, quotes! I had to go hunting to find what you were talking about.
I thought that you were talking about the Creature Council killing anyone who tries to retire from it. But now I see that you were questioning why they would care about beings being killed.
Answer? Because it's their job. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it appears that the Creature Council is a subset of the council from 287 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_287.php).
Unfortunately (for me), she does actually appear to be employed by the council. Maybe like the Watergate Plumbers. In any case, I'm not wholly convinced that it's voluntary.
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on January 27, 2007, 12:40:03 PMThe other possibility is that they're spread in an unconscious effort to make herself look bigger, in the same way that most critters respond to what they perceive as threatening behaviours.
Than explains 67 and 65, but what about 66? I'm not concerned about her wings in 67, since it does make sense for her to have them out when she's angry. It's simply this comic that made me notice it.
Quote from: superluser on January 27, 2007, 01:03:34 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it appears that the Creature Council is a subset of the council from 287
I've not been able to work out the relationship between the Creature Council and the Being-Creature Council, but I was assuming they were separate entities. We don't know how old either of the organisations are, but it would be interesting to know this stuff.
If you have any references that lead you to believe they're the same entity, I'd be interested to know of them.
Quote from: Tapewolf on January 27, 2007, 01:12:53 PMIf you have any references that lead you to believe they're the same entity, I'd be interested to know of them.
[Points bony finger at Tapewolf] I do believe that this is your content:
A council has been formed with a representative from nearly every Creature race (http://dmfa.wikia.com/index.php?title=Creature&diff=prev&oldid=2777).
Now look at 287:
``the convicted is sentanced by a member of their own species''
You'd need a huge council for that (and note that Kria is indeed sentenced by a demon-mare). I find it hard to believe that there would be two such councils that would be unrelated.
So where'd you get the quote for the wiki?
One looks to be a beuracracy for creatures and beings. The Creature Council is composed of the heads of the each of the creature races, most of them who probably make sure their identities are not known. They'd probably consider themselves above petty sentencings.
Quote from: superluser on January 27, 2007, 01:32:56 PM
[Points bony finger at Tapewolf] I do believe that this is your content:
A council has been formed with a representative from nearly every Creature race (http://dmfa.wikia.com/index.php?title=Creature&diff=prev&oldid=2777).
So where'd you get the quote for the wiki?
I can't remember now, it might have been inductive logic. If you can think of a better lead-in, feel free to replace it - in fact I probably will.
But the thing is, that text is about the Creature Council - the shady weirdos who are scared of Jyrras. Nowhere does it say that they're the same group as the Being-Creature Council.
Personally I think the Creature Council is the Furrae equivalent of the Illuminati. They probably
influence the BCC and may be members of it, but if they were the exact same organisation, they wouldn't need the secrecy.
Dangit, my topic got moved to the Abandoned mine. >=o Oh well. :P You win some, you lose some.
Honestly, I can't help but feel somewhat pissed that all those characters died because of some apparent 'test', even if Kria didn't participate in Devin and Xander's (and Glory's, who seemed awesome enough) death. Blah. The attitude of those Demons, even in the response of the death of their comrade, is really fricking infuriating and frivolous.
Seems like we're seeing a whole new side of Kria, though, one that's never been displayed in the present comic, and one that's probably extinct. During that, she's the personification of, quote--what the Demon race has to offer--and generally shares the same attitude towards Beings that her brethren currently does.
I, too, noticed the bracer and the three fingers, but I can't pin it on any of the characters currently listed in the cast. It COULD have been a dragon morphed into a disguise form, or maybe the ancestor of one of the characters we're familiar with (like Regina), but judging by the clues we've been given it seems like it was neither Cid, May, Xander, nor Cindy.
Meaning we have a whole new wave of possibilities. Regardless, poor Abel. I don't blame him for being so distressed, after all he's witnessed. I wouldn't be surprised if he ended up getting survivor's guilt because of Devin and Xander's death. Someone needs to give him a hug.
A big hug.
A REALLY big hug.
*volunteers* D=
~Keaton the Black Jackal
i'm still not going to drop the possibility of there being four fingers with two lowered, due to the angle of the hand in that silhouette.. it looks like it's a bit off to the side.
hmm I think I see through Amber's trick >:3 she reads these posts and picks things for the comic we would not think about and with that I deserve a cookie :mowcookie
Quote from: superluser on January 27, 2007, 03:09:58 AM
That and creatures don't tend to see fellow creatures as inferior, and would be disinclined to kill them off.
My understanding was that it was a sort of Darwinism; the weak die off and the strong survive, regardless of species. It says in demonology 101 that demons are disinclined to avenge one another because if you get killed, you deserve it.
Then again, it could be to make things look good for the beings; "See? We can be civilized. Now keep selling stuff to us." For all their arrogence, creatures have plenty of reasons to fear beings of late. Advances in technology, meaning they don't have to put up with crap from creatures in order to obtain devices that would otherwise have to be made using magic, and advantage of numbers.
in response to Fex:
didn't she say she plans ahead most of the time? I think I remember that but I'm not so sure. Well, at least recently.
Quote from: Fex on January 27, 2007, 03:28:01 PM
hmm I think I see through Amber's trick >:3 she reads these posts and picks things for the comic we would not think about and with that I deserve a cookie :mowcookie
Shh, don't let her hear that. It's not true, because the core storyline is planned months in advance, but she can get kind of irritable when people think she's working on-the-fly. Probably because it comes up so often :P
Now, as for this three-fingers, two-fingers business. Furrae such as Dan have three fingers and one thumb. The shadow we've seen has one thumb and two visible fingers, but it's possible the third is simply obscured.
That's what I keep saying >_>
*kicks tapewolf for stealing* Bad tapewolf-thing!
sheez I am just joking I hope she does know that ... right ... right :boggle
I say that is just kria's owne hand
kria can't reach that far. And it wouldn't be silhouetted... and we already see BOTH her arms crossed in front of her...
Quote from: Fex on January 27, 2007, 03:35:49 PM
sheez I am just joking I hope she does know that ... right ... right :boggle
I say that is just kria's owne hand
Kria's own hand? No, in that same panel, it's made rather obvious that Kria's arms are folded. Unless she magically grew another arm which somehow made it to the other end of the panel, I really doubt that's hers.
Also, think about it. It looks nothing like her own arm. There isn't any fur surrounding the wrist of the hand, just the silhouette of what looks like a bracelet.
~Keaton the Black Jackal
EDIT: *waves to Fex* :D
he keaton long time not seen since df :mowmeep
and that is possible to it is hard to say
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on January 27, 2007, 03:35:23 PM
That's what I keep saying >_>
I know, but what neither you nor anyone else has done is define 'fingers', which makes your point less obvious. I'm sure some people are counting the thumb as a finger and that makes the entire discussion confusing, unless we can all agree on what we're discussing >:3
Quote from: Kesh on January 27, 2007, 12:52:01 AM
Quote from: Valynth on January 26, 2007, 10:52:54 PM
Well, she might have killed Glory's group. I have no idea why everybody was up in arms over Devin and Xander's deaths, but glory and gang are barely even mentioned, save for mocking and punning.
We had time to 'get to know' Devin and Xander. Despite Devin's smartass front, he really was a decent person. Glory + gang had about 10 seconds worth of screen time before all hell broke loose, and all we had was a few "holier than thou" remarks and some comments from Devin implying she was the stereotypical "Lawful Stupid" paladin.
In other words, the former had character development, while the latter were red shirts. So far.
Thats if you refuse to acknowledge that people change. Personally, I feel sorry for Glory, she might have had unresolved issues before she died, where as Devin burried the hatchet so to speak with Abel.
There's a reason for everything, even Glory's attitude, and I would be interested in seeing exactly what results in a, how do you put it? Lawful-stupid attitude?
Also, she didn't seem lawful-stupid and she stopped seeing Abel as a threat when Devin vouched for him, in his own way. Infact, she seemed concerned for both their safety when she tells them to leave (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_58.php). And she could have been very reasonable. Frankly, I think it's a shame we didn't get to know Glory a bit more.
Quote from: Tapewolf on January 27, 2007, 03:32:49 PMNow, as for this three-fingers, two-fingers business. Furrae such as Dan have three fingers and one thumb. The shadow we've seen has one thumb and two visible fingers, but it's possible the third is simply obscured.
No, we see one finger and one thumb. We also see space for another finger, presumably not extended. There is not enough room for three fingers and a thumb.
(http://www.frontiernet.net/~superluser/fingers.jpg)
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on January 27, 2007, 03:38:12 PMkria can't reach that far. And it wouldn't be silhouetted... and we already see BOTH her arms crossed in front of her...
She could be a Haggunenon.
You haven't taken into acccount that the hand could be turned... besides, copy-pasting the same finger doesn't look right. >_>
You know, if DMFA were more formulaic, I'd suggest that the instructor might get one of the `cubi to impersonate Abel for Kria's next lesson. That might cause Kria to deal with adventuring more harshly, and if Abel ever found out, he'd be reluctant to ever change base form.
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on January 27, 2007, 04:19:54 PMYou haven't taken into acccount that the hand could be turned...
No, no. Look to the right of the index finger. See how the line dips and comes back up? That's a knuckle. We only see one. Also, try to orient your hand that way. You can't get it to the proper angle without seeing your other fingers, curled into your palm.
Quote from: superluser on January 27, 2007, 04:16:46 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on January 27, 2007, 03:32:49 PMNow, as for this three-fingers, two-fingers business. Furrae such as Dan have three fingers and one thumb. The shadow we've seen has one thumb and two visible fingers, but it's possible the third is simply obscured.
No, we see one finger and one thumb. We also see space for another finger, presumably not extended. There is not enough room for three fingers and a thumb.
Alright then, we see one thumb, one finger, and at least one knuckle. I'm counting the knuckle as a finger, since the hand gesture is something like this: :nono
...hence two fingers, one thumb. I'm open to the possibility that the there is a third finger, but looking at it again, you're right, there should really be an extra dip if what we're seeing two knuckles instead of one. So it's probably a demon hand like Kria's, albeit a rounder one than she normally has.
Quote from: Tapewolf on January 27, 2007, 03:32:49 PM
Quote from: Fex on January 27, 2007, 03:28:01 PM
hmm I think I see through Amber's trick >:3 she reads these posts and picks things for the comic we would not think about and with that I deserve a cookie :mowcookie
Shh, don't let her hear that. It's not true, because the core storyline is planned months in advance, but she can get kind of irritable when people think she's working on-the-fly. Probably because it comes up so often :P
I wouldn't say Amber picks things from the forum so much as Amber picks things to change. If somone gets a close to what she was originally planning on, then it will be changed to suit her need to feel important, what you are spotting that looks like a plot twist or off the cuff planning is a secondary option. Not unlike when she started writing about Abel and not about all the third party B.S.
The most I believe amber has is an outline for events she wants to happen, but I don't think an outline Qualifies as months in advance...or she'll have some text in mind but change it up a bit once she starts to make it webready.
Quote from: superluser on January 27, 2007, 04:48:28 PM
That might cause Kria to deal with adventuring more harshly, and if Abel ever found out, he'd be reluctant to ever change base form.
I'd personally think that learning of the deception that lead to one of your parents to bed with someone who wasn't what they seemed and resulting in yourself might also be a bit traumatic in that sense. I'm still up in the air over a 'cubi impersonating his 'father' and his mother being a 'cubi. Or heck, even just his father being one. WE SHALL SEE!
Poor Selev.
:<
All we knew about thee is thy name.
Just because.
Quote from: superluser on January 27, 2007, 11:27:38 AMQuote from: Goatmon on January 27, 2007, 11:09:05 AMAnyway....that's her hand. Clearly.
Unless she developed a detachable third hand recently, we can see both of her hands in panel one, PLUS a third hand in silhouette in panel one. To quote Goatmon:``You should pay more attention to the forum.''
I actually thought people were talking about the black hand. I had no idea people were talking about the sliver of brown at the bottom. It's just wood.....how the hell are people making a hand out of a patch of brown behind the gap in her wing? There's a small patch of brown at her waist that matches the color of the wood belonging to the building behind her. You can even see that the colors of the "hand" matches the wood.
Besides, the guy talking in that panel would have to have an awfully long reach in order to be tugging at her right waist while she's facing the right while the speaker is off panel to the right side.
Are you even paying attention? Nobody's tugging at anyone's anything...
So then why are you saying it? So far everything you've said about the bleeding obvious has been wrong... Anything else?
I just checked the last page again to see if perhaps I was looking in the wrong place. I didn't even notice the hand at first, since her wings are black and white to begin with, so it didn't even register when I first saw that panel. If I hadn't looked straight at it I never woulda seen it.
My mistake. :<
yup.
<.<
>.>
I'm interested in the implications of the last panel. Abel appears to be crying again. Did he hear that conversation and become upset that Kria was part of the group that killed Devin and Xander? Or was he upset that Kria still considered him a baby? Kria and The Sinister Unknown weren't exactly whispering. Especially Kria...
he could just still be crying from the incident while he's running away... we don't see any proof he was listening.
Quote from: Kazairl on January 27, 2007, 09:20:23 PM
I'm interested in the implications of the last panel. Abel appears to be crying again. Did he hear that conversation and become upset that Kria was part of the group that killed Devin and Xander? Or was he upset that Kria still considered him a baby? Kria and The Sinister Unknown weren't exactly whispering. Especially Kria...
Upset that Kria considered him a baby? Even if Abel would've taken offense to that otherwise, I'm sure he would've had MUCH more pressing matters on his mind. Such as, say, getting a close-up view of the grisly murder of Devin and the dead body of Xander. After all of that, would he have even given a damn that Kria thought he was a child?
Besides, I'm fairly sure that Abel was too far away from Kria and her cohorts to overhear what they were debating about.
~Keaton the Black Jackal
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on January 27, 2007, 10:04:36 PMUpset that Kria considered him a baby?
More likely, upset that Kria considered him special enough not to be a target, which implies that others, who were less special, were targets. It takes very little effort to come to the conclusion that Devin & al. were targets.
Of course, this assumes that he heard them.
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on January 27, 2007, 10:04:36 PMBesides, I'm fairly sure that Abel was too far away from Kria and her cohorts to overhear what they were debating about.
Sound carries in open areas pretty well. It's probably been all of 30 seconds or so since Abel started running; he couldn't have gotten far. Note also that compared to humans, felines have extremely acute hearing (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_247.php). If Kria were yelling, Abel should have been able to hear it.
Of course, in extremely stressful situations, your fight or flight reflex kicks in and you start to get tunnel vision--and tunnel hearing, to a certain extent. That's a reasonable explanation for Abel not hearing Kria.
Quote from: Tikki on January 27, 2007, 06:39:27 PM
I'd personally think that learning of the deception that lead to one of your parents to bed with someone who wasn't what they seemed and resulting in yourself might also be a bit traumatic in that sense.
I dunno, King Arthur learned to cope. May or may not be a bad example, but still.
Quote from: superluser on January 27, 2007, 10:17:41 PM
More likely, upset that Kria considered him special enough not to be a target, which implies that others, who were less special, were targets. It takes very little effort to come to the conclusion that Devin & al. were targets.
Of course, this assumes that he heard them.
Hmm, agreed. It also makes me wonder if Kria would've killed Devin and Xander without any qualms whatsoever, unless this is a more conscious Kria.
QuoteSound carries in open areas pretty well. It's probably been all of 30 seconds or so since Abel started running; he couldn't have gotten far. Note also that compared to humans, felines have extremely acute hearing (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_247.php). If Kria were yelling, Abel should have been able to hear it.
Of course, in extremely stressful situations, your fight or flight reflex kicks in and you start to get tunnel vision--and tunnel hearing, to a certain extent. That's a reasonable explanation for Abel not hearing Kria.
I'm going to agree again, though determining volume of voice--in Kria's situation--is rather difficult when you only have an exclamation point to go by, and not an actual voice. But like you said, Abel could've been so focused on GTFO'ing the area, and so distressed by the events which had occured, that he could've entirely missed what Kria had said.
~Keaton the Black Jackal
Quote from: Boogeyman on January 27, 2007, 10:40:39 PMI dunno, King Arthur learned to cope. May or may not be a bad example, but still.
Well, Arthur wasn't a slightly more neurotic version of Stan Laurel. Arthur could get through it, but Abel doesn't have that sort of inner composure. He may have the same sort of inner strength, a la Rincewind.
Also, we're not arguing about why Abel is neurotic. We're arguing about why Abel doesn't want to change base forms. Seems reasonable to me. Your father seduced your mother pretending to be her husband, so you don't want to change forms. Doesn't sound that strange.
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on January 27, 2007, 10:44:39 PMI'm going to agree again, though determining volume of voice--in Kria's situation--is rather difficult when you only have an exclamation point to go by
Well, I'll admit that I can't recall how loud a horse's whinny is in real life, but I'd bet that Kria is at least a decibel above that.
Now that you guys have highlighted it, the finger's bent sort odd.
At any rate, I'm more interested in the slight bulge on the wrist of that ebony hand. Seems like a sweater, or a jacket with round cuffs.
Quote from: Ink on January 28, 2007, 08:09:15 AMAt any rate, I'm more interested in the slight bulge on the wrist of that ebony hand. Seems like a sweater, or a jacket with round cuffs.
Yes! Someone agrees with my sweater theory (http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php?topic=2078.msg84737#msg84737)! Everybody else seems to think it's a bracer.
I hate failure myself... Especially progressive mainboard failures that leave me computerless for three weeks. Grr.
I was wondering, since we know Abel and Aary reaaaly dislike each other, and her hand would be in a dark grey or black glove... and she's 29 years older than Abel... but then the SAIA arc shoots that idea down. I'm not fifty... (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_583.php)
Edit: I just noticed that her gloves were purple in that one. They're really dark grey in the cast page though.
Still, it made a nice idea.
-Nar
Quote from: Narethlian on January 28, 2007, 10:40:50 AMI was wondering, since we know Abel and Aary reaaaly dislike each other, and her hand would be in a dark grey or black glove... and she's 29 years older than Abel... but then the SAIA arc shoots that idea down. I'm not fifty... (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_583.php)
I'm tempted to say that she should have been in SAIA then. Destania didn't leave until Aary's last year, and Aary gave the impression that she left immediately upon graduation. Then Destania had Dan, and we've got a span of ~30 years there.
Except that I don't think that we know with any certainty how much time has elapsed between Aary's graduation and when Destania wound up at Lost Lake.
Aary did say that it was the first place she went, and I'm presumimg that it wouldn't take more than a couple hundred years. Of course, it did take Odysseus ten years to go 300 miles.
Quote from: superluser on January 27, 2007, 11:11:36 PMAlso, we're not arguing about why Abel is neurotic. We're arguing about why Abel doesn't want to change base forms. Seems reasonable to me. Your father seduced your mother pretending to be her husband, so you don't want to change forms. Doesn't sound that strange.
You know, I was wondering if that was the case, for a while now. Kind of hard to explain how else Abel could have turned out the way he is. I don't recall that it's actually been confirmed though, has it? :aack
Quote from: Goatmon on January 28, 2007, 11:15:24 AMYou know, I was wondering if that was the case, for a while now. Kind of hard to explain how else Abel could have turned out the way he is. I don't recall that it's actually been confirmed though, has it?
Well, the only options are the following:
(1) Cid is an incubus.
(2) May is a succubus and somehow the child looks like her despite the fact that hybrids are supposed to look like the being not the creature.
(3) May slept with an incubus with malice aforethought.
(4) An incubus impersonated Cid and slept with May, who might or might not have found out about it later (the identity, not the sex).
To me, the most likely option is (4). I had been writing the previous message under the assumption that Tikki was right (http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php?topic=2078.msg84978#msg84978), mainly because otherwise, I'd have to say things like, ``Assuming that Abel's father was an incubus and assuming that he seduced May pretending to be Cid, and assuming that Cid doesn't know that, or at least doesn't let on that he knows that, and further assuming that Abel doesn't know it now, but does find out about it later, it might make perfect sense for that to be one of the reasons...''
Edit: I should say only plausible explanations. Otherwise, there are options like the following: (5) Switched at birth, (6) A wizard did it
Quote from: superluser on January 28, 2007, 11:55:57 AM
(4) An incubus impersonated Cid and slept with May, who might or might not have found out about it later (the identity, not the sex).
There is a variation on that, which it looks like you almost considered - rape.
If Cid is not around, a sufficiently skilled 'cubi ought to be able to prevent May from waking, or even realising at all if they can write to minds as well as read from them.
Quote from: Tapewolf on January 28, 2007, 12:11:05 PM
Quote from: superluser on January 28, 2007, 11:55:57 AM
(4) An incubus impersonated Cid and slept with May, who might or might not have found out about it later (the identity, not the sex).
There is a variation on that, which it looks like you almost considered - rape.
If Cid is not around, a sufficiently skilled 'cubi ought to be able to prevent May from waking, or even realising at all if they can write to minds as well as read from them.
Rape is a cop-out on SO many levels.
May knows (or at least thinks she knows) the circumstances of Abel's conception, enough to throttle a principal. We have no-good-reason to believe it's not true.
Now, Cid not noticing an incubus mark on his own son's back, THAT is suspicious... if nothing else he should've questioned what prankster put one on his son, seeing as an ADVENTURER ought to know one when he sees one...
Yeah, but a competent Cubi wouldn't have to make the moves on someone while they slept if they were planning on banging them. Sleeping is the ample state of a target if you're planning to suck their soul while they sleep, of course. >:3
Quote from: Jigsaw Forte on January 28, 2007, 12:26:40 PM
Now, Cid not noticing an incubus mark on his own son's back, THAT is suspicious... if nothing else he should've questioned what prankster put one on his son, seeing as an ADVENTURER ought to know one when he sees one...
'Cubi seem to be quite rare, or well-hidden. Devin didn't know what Abel was even when his
headwings came out, and he's an adventurer too, albeit a less-experienced one.
I don't think the people from Abel's village know much about them at all - which actually impacts the May-realises-her-"husband"-was-a-shapeshifter thing to some degree.
Quote from: Tapewolf on January 28, 2007, 12:11:05 PMThere is a variation on that, which it looks like you almost considered - rape.
If Cid is not around, a sufficiently skilled 'cubi ought to be able to prevent May from waking, or even realising at all if they can write to minds as well as read from them.
After writing that, I did consider it. I'm putting it slightly lower than ``a wizard did it'' (after all, most `cubi could probably be considered wizards). I seriously doubt that Amber's going there. For one thing, it's not a terribly interesting turn of events, compared to the others. It gives no insight into the characters or why they act the way they do, especially if May never realized it.
Then again, you say DMFA 'cubi don't do that (http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php?topic=1779.msg73001#msg73001).
Quote from: Jigsaw Forte on January 28, 2007, 12:26:40 PMRape is a cop-out on SO many levels.
Amen. (http://girl-wonder.org/girlsreadcomics/index.php?entry=entry060718-145925) No. 5:
Particularly avoid "this is the only reason she's fighting/causing crime" or "it's not actually her reaction to the rape we're concerned with, but that of her male romantic interest/colleagues/friends."
Quote from: Jigsaw Forte on January 28, 2007, 12:26:40 PMNow, Cid not noticing an incubus mark on his own son's back, THAT is suspicious... if nothing else he should've questioned what prankster put one on his son, seeing as an ADVENTURER ought to know one when he sees one...
Loath as I am to admit it, Dan didn't (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_550.php).
Quote from: Ink on January 28, 2007, 08:09:15 AM
Now that you guys have highlighted it, the finger's bent sort odd.
At any rate, I'm more interested in the slight bulge on the wrist of that ebony hand. Seems like a sweater, or a jacket with round cuffs.
I know I'll get dropped on this, but... The lines behind that "cuff" are too tight for it to be a jacket. It would more probably be some sort of bracer, not unlike those that Devin we... wore.
Quote from: superluser on January 28, 2007, 12:56:20 PM
Then again, you say DMFA 'cubi don't do that (http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php?topic=1779.msg73001#msg73001).
Not as the whole reason for their existence, no, they don't. And Amber has already said they can't do the full-gender-change thing which is what incubi and succubi are about according to Scot and his researches.
But that doesn't mean that an individual incubus who is sufficiently desperate to preserve their bloodline might not rape a Being while they slept to provide an heir.
(And yes, Styg, I'm going with the bracer theory myself)
all the hints and insinuations *gasp* this might be devin... Is rather dumb and are overlooking one major thing...
Devin Killed one of them
While pass and fail in this class might be simply survival but I highly doubt the teacher would kill off his students. It simply wouldn't be a fair test.
Quote from: thegayhare on January 28, 2007, 01:19:33 PM
all the hints and insinuations *gasp* this might be devin... Is rather dumb and are overlooking one major thing...
Devin Killed one of them
While pass and fail in this class might be simply survival but I highly doubt the teacher would kill off his students. It simply wouldn't be a fair test.
He just kept getting detention was all.
Quote from: thegayhare on January 28, 2007, 01:19:33 PM
all the hints and insinuations *gasp* this might be devin... Is rather dumb and are overlooking one major thing...
Devin Killed one of them
True. In my defence, if you read my original post again, you'll see that I didn't really believe it myself anyway. It was more akin to the "Abel is Dan's father" business >:3
Quote from: Tapewolf on January 28, 2007, 01:24:13 PM
It was more akin to the "Abel is Dan's father" business >:3
you know I have an even more bizzare Dan theroy... but I've been told I may never reveal it to anouther living soul on pain of torture
Quote from: thegayhare on January 28, 2007, 01:19:33 PMWhile pass and fail in this class might be simply survival but I highly doubt the teacher would kill off his students. It simply wouldn't be a fair test.
Fair or not, it is a common trope. In Terry Pratchett's Pyramids, the instructor is supposed to try to kill the student during the final exam. I've seen it elsewhere, but I'm at a loss to come up with examples. The Sith, I think.
There are limits, however. In the example you've provided, the instructor only kills the student if the student fails. After the student fails.
Of course, the instructor is also allowed to.. mislead the student into committing, effectively, a messy suicide. For example, removing items that the student may have used to run across the rooftops (like the board that was over a 4 story drop to the streets...) but that's all part of the game - and to be expected, since if you do end up going against another assassin, being sneaky enough to manage that sort of threat is what you aspire to...
Still, the thoughts Abel was picking as Devin slipped out of life highly suggest otherwise.
There's a better chance that it's Glory, since she seems to have dissapeared without a trace.
Seriously people, some of these theories are so cornball they'd end up being an exhibit at a county fair.
and the "Glory, the 'lawful-stupid' paladin, is actually evil" isn't? :rolleyes
The best theory is the idea that this is a new character who we haven't seen before. I mean, how often is it that you talk to your old teachers anyway?
It would be interesting to see more of Glory. She vanished before having little more than a few decent panels.
And yeah... excess speculation is to be expected, considering that the comic here draws in as many people as it does.
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on January 28, 2007, 02:54:36 PMThere are limits, however. In the example you've provided, the instructor only kills the student if the student fails. After the student fails.
And the bloat-filled needles on the pipe? I guess they technically kill you five seconds after you fail...
Quote from: Manawolf on January 28, 2007, 02:56:29 PMStill, the thoughts Abel was picking as Devin slipped out of life highly suggest otherwise.
There's a better chance that it's Glory, since she seems to have dissapeared without a trace.
If Devin were a real creature adventurer instructor, he would definitely know what Abel's headwings would suggest, and would probably try to mask his thoughts to convince Devin that he's dying.
I think that there's an even higher chance that it's Kammi, since that would explain how she gets out of this unscathed. Plus, the bracer that she's wearing looks an awful lot like the shadow we see in panel one.
Of course, she has three fingers and a thumb so it's not her.
Hmmmmm.... I'm wndering who exactly Kria killed, if she in fact killed anyone. That she killed Devin is possible, but I don't think that's the case.
Also, just an observation... I highlighted the comic to get a better look at the details, and Kria's claws look quite a lot like hands in the second panel. So the Mystery Teacher COULD in fact be Dark Pegasus. But I don't really think it is, because I see a hint of extra knuckle off the screen. The bracer's too thick to be Devin's... can't be Glory, the claws are too sharp...
As a final note, how long do demons go to school for? Cause by my calculations, Kria's about 43. Granted, that's pretty young for a demon but still, she must have started school at around the same age as Dan. She may have been taking classes while having teaching as a part-time job. How long will she stay? A couple centuries, or more than 3?
Quote from: Manawolf on January 28, 2007, 02:56:29 PM
Still, the thoughts Abel was picking as Devin slipped out of life highly suggest otherwise.
There's a better chance that it's Glory, since she seems to have dissapeared without a trace.
Seriously people, some of these theories are so cornball they'd end up being an exhibit at a county fair.
Well, set up another table, because here's mine. :boogie
The mysterious character is none other than God, aka Fluffy D. Funni.
Here is a link to Fluffy changing her paw for dramatic effect.
http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_179.php
Surely she could change it further if necessary.
Why is Fluffy there, you ask?
"Look, Kria, this comic has gone on far too long. Amber says it ends
now. All right, Abel lives because we need him. But everyone else dies, got me?"
With regards,
Ted
To black angel: Mystery guy said Kria didn't kill a single thing on the whole trip :P
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on January 28, 2007, 04:42:20 PM
To black angel: Mystery guy said Kria didn't kill a single thing on the whole trip :P
Oh snap!
what about this one, the mysterious unknown in the pannel in question was...dun, dun, dun, the real devin, Abel was with two evil cubi the whole time, and the fake Devin was feeding him nothing but lies.
or better still it was Daniel Ti' fiona from an alternate dimension where he was possesed by sinister dark forces and is a happy ghost whose one true love is... the mage formerly known as Merlitz, with an incoprehensible symbol as his new name.
or there is Cid's Biological father, who is possibly a cubi, and who abandoned Cid when he was but a mere zygote in his mothers belly... because no one knows anything about Cid's bloodline any more than they know Abel's.
Or maybe, we have been lied to all the time?! This isn't the real world, and that is OUR hand! AAAAIH!
Quote from: superluser on January 28, 2007, 03:31:20 PM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on January 28, 2007, 02:54:36 PMThere are limits, however. In the example you've provided, the instructor only kills the student if the student fails. After the student fails.
And the bloat-filled needles on the pipe? I guess they technically kill you five seconds after you fail...
No, you failed to expect someone to be trying to kill you. If you haven't checked your morning cup of tea for poison, you're not cut out to be an assassin... :-)
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on January 28, 2007, 07:19:10 PM
Quote from: superluser on January 28, 2007, 03:31:20 PM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on January 28, 2007, 02:54:36 PMThere are limits, however. In the example you've provided, the instructor only kills the student if the student fails. After the student fails.
And the bloat-filled needles on the pipe? I guess they technically kill you five seconds after you fail...
No, you failed to expect someone to be trying to kill you. If you haven't checked your morning cup of tea for poison, you're not cut out to be an assassin... :-)
exactly
assassins are hired to do a specific service, one that most people don't like havinf preformed on them. So since people who might be targeted for a suprise gift from the Assassins guild are lible to take precuations (take for example the elaborate traps and precuations set up by Commander Vimes, although he was much better then the guild) and so bloat coated needles, and caltrops are a reasonable example of the precuations they might run into.
Well, why is that sort of method valid for Assassin school, but not for adventurer school?
::Tosses Occam's Razor, gets out Occam's Cleaver::
what, you don't have an ax?
It's not a proper lesson if you're dead.
Quote from: Manawolf on January 28, 2007, 09:04:05 PMIt's not a proper lesson if you're dead.
There's a difference between the lectures and the exams. The lectures give you knowledge; the exams make sure that you're not passing someone whom you shouldn't. In the case of adventuring, you shouldn't pass anyone who is not capable of defending herself from an instructor of adventurers, because you are quite likely to find someone out there who is at least at that level.
If you were that good at adventuring, you wouldn't be teaching others how to do it--you'd be out there adventuring. I'm sure the pay's far better.
And a lesson isn't an exam. Lesson's where you learn the stuff that will be on the test.
Today's lesson: Stop throwing out stupid theories the moment they come to mind. It doesn't make you look any better, and at worst it'll end up spreading like a retard wildfire.
Oh I belive someway Abel did past the test
But the test wasn't even for him.
Quote from: superluser on January 28, 2007, 08:49:11 PM
Well, why is that sort of method valid for Assassin school, but not for adventurer school?
I'm not saying it isn't but in the Assassins exam the teacher sets the course and places reasonable hinderances the the students path. The traps can be fatal but in this the teacher is a passive oponent. In a direct confrontation the student wouldn't stand a chance.
In this situation if Devin was the teacher he would most likely have access tto a vast library of magical knowlage and exerance far above what most students would have (unless the student was like Venteri). If devin is a teacher here he isn't testing there abilities fairly. He's pitting his skills and experiance directly against them
Quote from: Manawolf on January 28, 2007, 09:19:20 PMAnd a lesson isn't an exam. Lesson's where you learn the stuff that will be on the test.
Well, in that case, I think the instructor used the wrong term. She's obviously being graded on this, and we don't want to see grade inflation, right? The instructor is in the company of Sean Connery (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0094226/) on this, too.
Quote from: Manawolf on January 28, 2007, 09:19:20 PMToday's lesson: Stop throwing out stupid theories the moment they come to mind. It doesn't make you look any better, and at worst it'll end up spreading like a retard wildfire.
Fair enough.
OK. Listen up everybody! This idea that the instructor attacks the students during the lesson? Stupid. That's not to say that it's not going to happen, but I'd have a hard time accepting that any competent writer would actually use that trope in anything other than a self-mocking manner.
Quote from: thegayhare on January 28, 2007, 09:26:27 PMI'm not saying it isn't but in the Assassins exam the teacher sets the course and places reasonable hinderances the the students path. The traps can be fatal but in this the teacher is a passive oponent. In a direct confrontation the student wouldn't stand a chance.
I'll bet you that quite a few world-class chess players could force Kasparov (or Kramnik) into a draw. Repeatedly. It's supposedly notoriously easy to force a draw in chess.
One on one, the student couldn't be expected to defeat the instructor, but any reasonable adventurer should be able to defend against those attacks.
No, the stupid part was saying that it was one of the characters that we saw die onscreen.
Heck, a teacher would never give their student free shot like when Devin jumped up from Abel's headwings.
Quote from: Manawolf on January 28, 2007, 09:47:49 PMNo, the stupid part was saying that it was one of the characters that we saw die onscreen.
Heck, a teacher would never give their student free shot like when Devin jumped up from Abel's headwings.
Well, that's *two* of the stupid things about the theory.
Unless... (William of Ockham will now have a coronary)
If Devin as teacher found out that Abel was an incubus, he would want to make sure that Abel thought that he was dead to throw suspicion off of himself.
Hmmm... Nope. Still stupid.
Not to mention the abilities of a cubi seem somewhat sporadic. Abel's telepathic powers appeared soon after his headwings, but Dan hasn't heard the thoughts of a single person since his popped up.
My guess is that Devin's fairly dead. However, it wouldn't be too unlikely that whoever the intructer was would happily kill one of his students. That demon mentality in demonology 101 again.
Quote from: Manawolf on January 28, 2007, 09:56:50 PM
Not to mention the abilities of a cubi seem somewhat sporadic. Abel's telepathic powers appeared soon after his headwings, but Dan hasn't heard the thoughts of a single person since his popped up.
Not quite, but almost: http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_588.php
Well, I'm just glad her test was pass or fail, based on survival. Apparently her classmate wasn't so lucky, though. He was the one who really failed.
I think the mysterious shadowy claw is Dark Pegasus if he could change the hoof to a three poited claw than it's him but a younger more like a teacher type. I feel it that's him for sure.