Read the rules. There's the button at the top of the forum, in the menu, right between "CM: The Site" and "FAQ". You must read that before posting. And, you must follow those rules when posting.
For all you new people, this serves as your first warning. I'm not singling people out or picking on anyone specifically, but we've had some new people that just don't bother paying attention to that thing we call rules.
Read them. Follow them.
That is all. Feel free to discuss how much of a loser llearch is.
(sigh) and for those of you that can't find the menu (yeah, I know that was you Haz), here's a link: http://www.clockworkmansion.com/main.php?page=rules
Am I doing it rite?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57KDDKbfhmI
Oh yeah, and it's best just to avoid anything people suggest you (do/say/click/eat/open/discuss/etc). Generally it's best not to do anything, say anything, or click that button marked "reply".
:lol I haven't heard that song in a while.
Quote from: Darkmoon on March 15, 2007, 12:02:52 AM(sigh) and for those of you that can't find the menu (yeah, I know that was you Haz)...
*Whistles innocently.* :. It's not my fault the themes I like don't have the rules button. :(
It is your fault, however, that you like those themes.
Updated the rules. Llearch still sucks. Bill does too.
It's so nice to feel wanted.
All posts must be written entirely in English? So now it's wrong to use another language even if we provide a translation? Why?
Quote from: Gabi on May 28, 2007, 06:47:04 AMAll posts must be written entirely in English? So now it's wrong to use another language even if we provide a translation? Why?
Looks like It's been that way for a while (http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php?topic=394.msg5902#msg5902). Why/how the rule is enforced in practice may be a different story, but that's solely the domain of the moderators and I'm not touching that with a ten-foot pole.
Quote from: superluser on May 28, 2007, 09:07:27 AM
Quote from: Gabi on May 28, 2007, 06:47:04 AMAll posts must be written entirely in English? So now it's wrong to use another language even if we provide a translation? Why?
Looks like It's been that way for a while (http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php?topic=394.msg5902#msg5902). Why/how the rule is enforced in practice may be a different story, but that's solely the domain of the moderators and I'm not touching that with a ten-foot pole.
Of course not. A ten-foot pole is hard to hold and can cause some serious damage. ;)
Ok, then, I thought it had been rephrased to become stricter, or something like that. If it's the same as before, then I guess I can keep making occasional posts with a phrase in Spanish followed by a translation, right?
The only thing we changed was the phrasing on the moderation's reason. The one moderator that could speak Spanish left over a year and a half ago. I just never managed to change that bit.
Otherwise, that rules is exactly the same as it's ever been.
Ah, alright. Sorry about the noise.
Really, not a lot changed. We clarified a few things (roleplaying), edited a bit to reflect the current moderation staff (foriegn language), added a bit more information due to requests (donation buttons in sigs), and some minor wording and typo issues, as well as updating the admin list.
We just wanted everyone to be aware that it'd been done.
Updated the rules a bit, in order to further clarify signature heights (250px, for those wondering at home, although llearch's probably the only one who will enforce that), although the exhaustive study of signature heights (ie I went and checked about fifteen people) are well within the new standards.
We also worked to fix the "hi" epidemic.
Most of you should probably not need to reread them.
We updated the rules again. Fairly extensive update this time. Everyone should read over them once to make sure they are up to date on the rules.
Since when can't swear words be heard on television? I don't use them myself, but it's virtually impossible to turn on the TV and not hear them.
And was the person who wrote the rules angry?
I wrote the rules.
There are a few words that can't be said on American television.
Ah. That explains the "send hot porn to Darkmoon" part.
Indeed.
No one has though. :cry
For those who are international, the seven words that cannot be said on American television/radio are:
Fuck, Shit, Piss, Motherfucker, Asshole, C*nt, Tits.
These levy about a $7000 fine per usage (circa 2002)
It is worth noting however, that on American television/radio, "Pissed Off" is allowed, but "Piss" as the bodily function is not. Also not permissible is an extensive discussion of bodily function.
As George Carlin put it:
"Why are you so pissed off?"
"Because you just ****ed on me."
... while "tits" isn't allowed, does that mean "titfucker" gets you a two for one?
Inquiring minds wish to know. ;-]
It's worth mentioning that the UK and NZ both have the same concept, with the understanding that there is a "watershed" mark around 8 or 9 pm, depending on where you are.
The UK may have slipped in recent years. I know NZ was relaxing it, somewhat. But the idea was, before that time, children could safely watch TV and not hear bad words. After that, all bets are off, and much later is where soft porn comes out - the Red Shoe Diaries type stuff, at least.
There is no watershed in the US for TV, however, we do have Safe Harbor for Radio. I believe that's midnight to 6am.
It's also worth noting that the rules only apply to broadcast television, that are broadcast over the airwaves controlled by the Federal Communications Commission- Cable and Satellite TV aren't currently governed by the same rules, although they tend to follow them anyway. (For example, Torchwood has had quite a few words bleeped out the last few weeks, and last night we were denied the bum- they had pixeled it out.)
Quote from: Darkmoon on December 02, 2007, 02:18:07 AMWe updated the rules again. Fairly extensive update this time. Everyone should read over them once to make sure they are up to date on the rules.
Aww, man.
Still no exception for rot-13 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rot-13).
No, but you can use rot-26 all you like.
Indeed. We also allow for rot-52 and rot-104.
What about rot-78?
That's deprecated, but permissible.
What if you want to type a ñ?
I'll let you know next time I want to. ;-]
Rules have been tweaked a little (for the Art Section specifically), and the rules for the Merchant's Corner have been added. Please reread the rules, especially if you haven't in a while.
Clarified the rules a bit further, as well as added in bits about "no double posting" and "make sure to write coherently". If you haven't read the rules in a little while, now's the time to go read over them again (or for the first time, for some of you).
EDIT: Oh, a double post. How amusing.
Two minor little issues/questions I have regarding the rules:
Regarding the rule on double-posting, should consecutive huggle announcements in the Random Huggle thread now be made in a single, edited post? It only comes up now and then, but it will occasionally happen that we end up with a situation where the last hugger to post ends up giving a hug again before anyone else has posted.
Also, regarding the rules for the Art Forum,
QuoteYou MUST put "NSFW", "WARNING – NUDITY", "WARNING", "NUDITY WARNING", etc, etc in the thread title, in all-caps or you will be warned.
I might just be being a bit of a grammar-Nazi here, but it seems to me that this is saying that NSFW must be put in all thread titles. I know that Rule III makes mention that not work-safe "...threads MUST have a warning in the thread title..." but I might think that it would be nice to have a mention of that down in the Art Forum rules too.
Eh, all rules for the forum apply to sub-forums.
The Huggle thread can be an exception, although really, none of the admins really care too much about that thread anyway, so I dunno that we'd even have noticed if you'd double-posted.
How about the Birthday thread?
Quote from: Darkmoon on August 10, 2008, 03:24:21 AM
The Huggle thread can be an exception, although really, none of the admins really care too much about that thread anyway, so I dunno that we'd even have noticed if you'd double-posted.
I would.
But then, I watch everything. I thought everyone knew that? ;-]
Quote from: Tapewolf on August 10, 2008, 07:03:53 AM
How about the Birthday thread?
I think, as with all things, common sense is required. We're not going to jump on you for those two threads, nor any other game threads where several people are playing, but it just happens to be you that posts twice.
Having said that, it's great that you've brought these to our attention. ;-]
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on August 10, 2008, 08:54:24 AM
I think, as with all things, common sense is required. We're not going to jump on you for those two threads, nor any other game threads where several people are playing, but it just happens to be you that posts twice.
Having said that, it's great that you've brought these to our attention. ;-]
If I may make a suggestion, both of these are purpose-built announcement threads, so IMHO that would make a good starting point for working out a more generic exemption, as opposed to "Except for the Hugs thread, the Birthday thread, ...". As it stands, this rule can, under a variety of circumstances also forbid the creator of a leaving-for-a-bit thread from actually announcing their return. (Common sense notwithstanding).
As a rule, if no-one else is interested in an announcement thread the creator will generally lose interest in it themselves. If not, it would probably find its way into the mine anyway.
Maybe you can think of a flaw in this idea, but I think it covers most cases.
Quote from: Darkmoon on August 10, 2008, 03:24:21 AM
Eh, all rules for the forum apply to sub-forums.
I guess it just seemed to me that Rule III was contradicted in the span of the Art Forum by that rule. But reading it again, I think I see how that was meant.
Quote from: Tapewolf on August 10, 2008, 09:30:22 AM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on August 10, 2008, 08:54:24 AM
I think, as with all things, common sense is required. We're not going to jump on you for those two threads, nor any other game threads where several people are playing, but it just happens to be you that posts twice.
Having said that, it's great that you've brought these to our attention. ;-]
If I may make a suggestion, both of these are purpose-built announcement threads, so IMHO that would make a good starting point for working out a more generic exemption, as opposed to "Except for the Hugs thread, the Birthday thread, ...". As it stands, this rule can, under a variety of circumstances also forbid the creator of a leaving-for-a-bit thread from actually announcing their return. (Common sense notwithstanding).
As a rule, if no-one else is interested in an announcement thread the creator will generally lose interest in it themselves. If not, it would probably find its way into the mine anyway.
Maybe you can think of a flaw in this idea, but I think it covers most cases.
The goal is to prevent people from posting the topics that no one seems to care about anymore.We were debating "well, if no one posts for 72 hours, maybe they can double post..." But then we figure that if, after 72 hours there's still no posts, probably no one cares.
In the case of an I'm leaving thread. If they're still posting in the thread, they haven't left yet. If they were the only person to post in the thread (ie, they posted it to begin with), then, to be blunt, obviously no one cares.
We could generic it up, but it's just easier make a very broad rule and have people ask us once in a while for exceptions. As we say, time and again, if any of the rules don't make sense, or you want a small loophole for this or that, just ask the admins and we'll be happy to let you know if something is okay.
Quote from: Darkmoon on August 10, 2008, 11:22:13 AM
In the case of an I'm leaving thread. If they're still posting in the thread, they haven't left yet. If they were the only person to post in the thread (ie, they posted it to begin with), then, to be blunt, obviously no one cares.
Maybe I should have posted this to begin with, but this scenario immediately sprang to mind.
* * *
A: I'll be off for the next week
B: Have fun
C: Take care
D: ....
A: Thanks. Catch you later
:
A: I'm back, it absolute rocked / sucked / whatever
* * *
...Indeed, if the original announcement was made a few hours before departure, 'D' might well be asking where 'A' is going. I seem to recall doing this myself in one of Pal's threads.
This may also happen if the trip is delayed or cancelled entirely.
The 72 hours thing is an interesting idea. One of the other double-post situations that I have been in, which the above example is similar to, was follow-ups to an earlier event, which may take a week or so to have cleared. For instance, the Paypal thing. That had a gap of about 10 days in it while I was waiting for it to clear, after which I posted how long it took. Starting a new thread is an option, I suppose but the best course of action in this scenario is not clear, to me at least.
Edit:
Just turned off smileys, so it's more clear. ;-]
-- llearch
The double-posting thing hardly ever affects me, so I'm not terribly concerned about the adjustments to the rules, but what about places like... say... art topics? Are the double-posting rules going to become more strict there?
Also, I'm probably going to poke you for clarification on something. In terms of the rules of NSFW warnings in the thread titles, should the NSFW tag ALWAYS be present in the title, or just when a new, NSFW picture is announced?
~Keaton the Black Jackal
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on August 10, 2008, 11:51:33 AM
The double-posting thing hardly ever affects me, so I'm not terribly concerned about the adjustments to the rules, but what about places like... say... art topics? Are the double-posting rules going to become more strict there?
"More" strict, no. If you look closely, there's an exception for art threads. Rule IV.A.1 ...
About all we've done is take some scenarios where we've had to explain things, and put the explanation into the rules, so that everyone else can see what is what.
Or, at least, that was the intent.
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on August 10, 2008, 11:51:33 AM
Also, I'm probably going to poke you for clarification on something. In terms of the rules of NSFW warnings in the thread titles, should the NSFW tag ALWAYS be present in the title, or just when a new, NSFW picture is announced?
If there's a NSFW image in the thread, using img tags, then the NSFW tag in the thread header MUST be present. After all, the whole reason for providing it is so people don't accidentally open the image at work, right?
On the other hand, if you're only linking to the image, and it's labelled in the post as being NSFW, that's a barrier right there.
Strictly speaking, it should be there all the time, but if it's a link, rather than an img, you can probably let it slide. Common sense, remember? Think of the kiddies, and keep your thread within what the paranoid politically correct people might want to see at work, and you'll be ok, even if some of the images you link to are not.
Fair enough?
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on August 10, 2008, 12:47:43 PM
"More" strict, no. If you look closely, there's an exception for art threads. Rule IV.A.1 ...
About all we've done is take some scenarios where we've had to explain things, and put the explanation into the rules, so that everyone else can see what is what.
Or, at least, that was the intent.
Understood - thanks for clearing that up.
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If there's a NSFW image in the thread, using img tags, then the NSFW tag in the thread header MUST be present. After all, the whole reason for providing it is so people don't accidentally open the image at work, right?
On the other hand, if you're only linking to the image, and it's labelled in the post as being NSFW, that's a barrier right there.
Strictly speaking, it should be there all the time, but if it's a link, rather than an img, you can probably let it slide. Common sense, remember? Think of the kiddies, and keep your thread within what the paranoid politically correct people might want to see at work, and you'll be ok, even if some of the images you link to are not.
Fair enough?
Very fair. I always use links myself, and put a whole barricade of warnings and stuff on the off-occasion I post something NSFW, so that works.
~Keaton the Black Jackal
Rules have been revised. Specifically, Rule 2 has a new Section A. It is advised you read the rules again, just to make sure you know and understand them.