Getting farther in the story, and finding Aniz's motives.
Yuh. I told you 25 years is too long to spend for the lulz.
It sounds like there's at least one other thing that Aniz wants from Abel besides someone to carry on his line.
The Ring is back...
Makes me wonder how old Aniz is.
What I find creepy is that last Saturday I was thinking that Amber could switch the update schedule and do Abel's story updates instead of normal updates and do a normal update next Saturday. And then we have Bizarro Amber updating this week with that exact schedule.
Thats what you call creepy.
Yea, I noticed the ring too...
Aniz is such an interesting fellow. He's evil and creepy yet still goofy. Don't usually see characters like that to such an extent.
And Abel looks rather annoyed.
A thought: Mabye Aniz is the clan leader? Or he created his own clan somehow?
Just throwing that out there.
Quote from: familyghost on May 15, 2007, 11:11:40 PM
The Ring is back...
your right the ring isn't in the last couple comics, but it is back in this one.
Quote from: AndersW on May 15, 2007, 11:16:49 PM
Quote from: familyghost on May 15, 2007, 11:11:40 PM
The Ring is back...
your right the ring isn't in the last couple comics, but it is back in this one.
Yeah, it's making me think there really is some significance behind it. I bet Aniz tosses it at May before the end is over.
Quote from: familyghost on May 15, 2007, 11:18:15 PM
Quote from: AndersW on May 15, 2007, 11:16:49 PM
Quote from: familyghost on May 15, 2007, 11:11:40 PM
The Ring is back...
your right the ring isn't in the last couple comics, but it is back in this one.
Yeah, it's making me think there really is some significance behind it. I bet Aniz tosses it at May before the end is over.
That would only be adding insult to injury. So it is likely that he does it.
Quote from: AndersW on May 15, 2007, 11:21:33 PM
That would only be adding insult to injury. So it is likely that he does it.
Yup, it does seem to be in character for what we know of him.
Also, I love your avatar, Fa'lina rocks.
Quote from: AndersW on May 15, 2007, 11:16:49 PMQuote from: familyghost on May 15, 2007, 11:11:40 PMThe Ring is back...
your right the ring isn't in the last couple comics, but it is back in this one.
Because we didn't see his left hand. I don't see how the ring would have any significance in 86, but there it is, as well.
As to what may happen with the ring, I don't know, but I'm sure that it would be a b*tch to get that thing caught on something.
Quote from: familyghost on May 15, 2007, 11:23:40 PM
Also, I love your avatar, Fa'lina rocks.
I took the image from the mind reading pages. I am working on getting an avatar for every circle her head is in. But getting the transparency right so that it doesn't look terrible is time consuming and a pain in the butt. My description of Photoshop explains it well "You beat it with a stick until it gives you what you want. No mater how long that takes."
It seems Aniz knows perhaps of abel's future. Isn't abel destined to fight a dragon?
Man, those villains love to talk. I like how Cloud handled it in Advent Children.
Rufus: You see, cloud--
Cloud: I'm leaving.
But yes, this update does explain what many of us(not me, personally, but many others) were theorizing: that Aniz isn't just goofing around, he's got bigger plans.
Quote from: multani82 on May 15, 2007, 11:32:22 PM
It seems Aniz knows perhaps of abel's future. Isn't abel destined to fight a dragon?
I believe he already did fight Pyroduck in the mainline, he was gaining the upper hand too.
Quote from: superluser on May 15, 2007, 11:29:19 PM
Quote from: AndersW on May 15, 2007, 11:16:49 PMQuote from: familyghost on May 15, 2007, 11:11:40 PMThe Ring is back...
your right the ring isn't in the last couple comics, but it is back in this one.
Because we didn't see his left hand. I don't see how the ring would have any significance in 86, but there it is, as well.
As to what may happen with the ring, I don't know, but I'm sure that it would be a b*tch to get that thing caught on something.
My browser was loading 86 from the local cache and the ring wasn't there. But when I hit refresh it showed up.
I'm honestly getting a little impatient... I really want to know what Aniz really wants, but he beats around the bush so much the bush is on its own tiny island by now.
I wonder if Abel's feeling like this (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_535.php) yet?
Quote from: Hawk on May 15, 2007, 11:37:06 PMI really want to know what Aniz really wants, but he beats around the bush so much the bush is on its own tiny island by now.
Give him a break. I doubt it's even been three minutes since the fake heart attack.
Time enough for Abel to twice demand what he wants, and he still dances around the question like a pretty little ballerina with a goatee. Eh, he's a villain, I guess it's his job to torture me.
Quote from: Hawk on May 15, 2007, 11:45:09 PM
Time enough for Abel to twice demand what he wants, and he still dances around the question like a pretty little ballerina with a goatee. Eh, he's a villain, I guess it's his job to torture me.
Yes, yes it is, now let him get his union demanded gloat time.
Hey, you're right, magical reappearing ring in number 86. That was the most awesome refresh I've done in some time.
And Aniz has been working on this for 25 years. I suppose he has a bit of right to drag this out some. After all, he did put a lot of work into it.
Quote from: AndersW on May 15, 2007, 11:14:46 PM
What I find creepy is that last Saturday I was thinking that Amber could switch the update schedule and do Abel's story updates instead of normal updates and do a normal update next Saturday. And then we have Bizarro Amber updating this week with that exact schedule.
Thats what you call creepy.
o_o
That IS creepy.
(http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/6138/aniz3od5.jpg)
:) That's where my mind went when I saw the first panel... :giggle
*EDIT* Anyone know how to fix edges in Photoshop so they don't look so pixilated? :( I used to have an add-on that did it for me but it doesnt work anymore :cry
Just like any father wants his son to do..Passing on the torch
Well I for one fully support the all Abel's story updates for the week and mainline story on the weekend. It would seem that more readers are interested in the Abel arc then the "main" one at the moment. :)
:cheers
So, good one Amber!
This does kind of make you wonder though. The whole point of his charade was Abel. He wasn't in this for the kicks, and he definately wasn't in it for the sole purpose of furthering his blood since if he was he would probably have forced others into one night stands as well, his "adventuring" could imply that, but being in a small community for the most part, I don't think it would be the most prudent decision. Its possible he's done that though, but from his words it seems like Abel was his main project.
Why would Aniz go through all this trouble, he doesn't seem like the type who would follow orders, he seems very reckless. Abel is important to him though. I don't know, I think Aniz is Abel's clan leader, and that perhaps Aniz is running out of time. Its possible that through most of Aniz' life he did whatever he wanted, never putting in the time or thought to really form a solid clan with many members, and the people that did end up with his blood were the results of his "fun". Now though his own mortality is finally catching up with him so in Abel he wants to keep some part of his true self alive. Its pure speculation, but I think the only reason Aniz did this is because he's running out of time.
Quote from: Moonfrost on May 16, 2007, 12:07:14 AM*EDIT* Anyone know how to fix edges in Photoshop so they don't look so pixilated? :( I used to have an add-on that did it for me but it doesnt work anymore :cry
I don't have Photoshop, but that might be difficult in that image. A thin white border against a magenta background is going to be difficult to control in JPEG compression. You might consider changing the subsampling to 1x1x1 (or 4:4:4). It will make color bleeding easier to control.
Make sure it's antialiasing everything, and you might want to make the border thicker.
Quote from: Xeksue on May 16, 2007, 12:18:42 AMIts possible that through most of Aniz' life he did whatever he wanted, never putting in the time or thought to really form a solid clan with many members, and the people that did end up with his blood were the results of his "fun". Now though his own mortality is finally catching up with him so in Abel he wants to keep some part of his true self alive. Its pure speculation, but I think the only reason Aniz did this is because he's running out of time.
That's an interesting theory. Aniz feels compelled to have kids out of duty, and he thinks he's ready for it, but he doesn't have the maturity for it, as he's discovering now.
And yet we have seen no ways in which he tried raising Abel to be evil. Parents are highly influential, but only while the child is young. He had years, and while Abel has grown up to be something of a dick in the future, he is not an asshole.
You wait so long, and yet he hardly did anything to help in his goal except wait for the boy to grow up.
Quote from: Manawolf on May 16, 2007, 12:39:32 AMAnd yet we have seen no ways in which he tried raising Abel to be evil.
Evil's a strong word. We haven't seen him try to raise him to believe any sort of `cubi values, though.
P.S. Does Aniz in panel 2 look to anyone else like the unholy union of Don Knotts and Marty Feldman?
It seems to be as if Cid was the 'fake', and Aniz is the real thing. As with most villians everwhere, ( e.g. Look at the Master in Dr. Who ), they tend to the extrovert, are quite colorful, can con anyone, and are not trustworthy. Manic Excitement ! May seems to to be fading into the wallpaper ... So did Aniz spend 25 years there just to carry on his line ?
I presume that Ms. Soulseeker is due soon to reclaim the morphing stone. I hope she will explain to everyone there, ( and
to us readers here ), the best thing to do and what should be done. ( Bet if Kria hears Aniz punched May's nose, he'd get more than a clip over the ear ... ) Is Kria to be the one mare cavalry ?
Perhaps his idea of preparing Abel to carry on his line is to um...mess him up in the head. Maybe Aniz suffered through something that made him what he is today, and he figures if he messes Abel up, he'll carry on his work.
It's pretty clear here aniz doesn't know what the hell he's doing... He's looking and acting evil but nothing he says is actually evil.
Quote from: Manawolf on May 16, 2007, 12:39:32 AM
And yet we have seen no ways in which he tried raising Abel to be evil. Parents are highly influential, but only while the child is young. He had years, and while Abel has grown up to be something of a dick in the future, he is not an asshole.
...or a pussy. Therefore he must have been raised to be a member of Team America.
I'm really not sure there is a deeper meaning beyond: He wanted to raise a child to help their declining clan, and this was the way he went about it. Had he bred with another Cubi, it might have come out another clan. That or he is just such a jerk he could not pull it off any other way.
The fact he was not "done" when the clan mark came in, but instead when the headwings did implies to me that he was just waiting to put him into SAIA.
Personally I'm more curious how this all ends up making him semi-adopted by Fa'Lina... I fear this means something bad may be about to happen to his mother. :mowsad
Quote from: WhiteFire on May 16, 2007, 05:59:45 AM
Personally I'm more curious how this all ends up making him semi-adopted by Fa'Lina... I fear this means something bad may be about to happen to his mother. :mowsad
Not necessarily. Remember, she's just a Being. If Abel breaks ties with his apparently-evil father and goes to SAIA, his mother will be dead long before he's even an eighth of the way through his course. That would kind of freak him out.
Well its almost said and done what he wants to do with him..Then again most nasty,sinister,evil types out there arent usely bright
*Charline bah* Aniz is impatient. I've had a joke set up for 2007 years now! I'm still waiting for the punchline. Oh it's gonna be good!
Some things are worth the wait... >:3 *Charline: most ebil cubi EVER*
Quote from: LigerJet on May 16, 2007, 03:28:59 AM
Perhaps his idea of preparing Abel to carry on his line is to um...mess him up in the head. Maybe Aniz suffered through something that made him what he is today, and he figures if he messes Abel up, he'll carry on his work.
If his plan was to make Abel an introverted jerk who hides in the basement, he certainly succeeded as far as the current storyline goes.
Quote from: Alondro on May 16, 2007, 08:50:38 AM
*Charline bah* Aniz is impatient. I've had a joke set up for 2007 years now! I'm still waiting for the punchline. Oh it's gonna be good!
Some things are worth the wait... >:3 *Charline: most ebil cubi EVER*
Not if Zedd beats you first...:shifty
Zedd is into BDSM?
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 16, 2007, 07:23:34 AMIf Abel breaks ties with his apparently-evil father and goes to SAIA, his mother will be dead long before he's even an eighth of the way through his course. That would kind of freak him out.
Not particularly, I'd bet. He should expect his mother to die after the next twenty years or so. Most people have their parents die around that age, and most people deal with it and move on.
Apparently Aniz was the lyrics writer for Mike and the Mechanics. Small world.
I'm getting the distinct impression that Aniz doesn't know what the heck he's doing at the moment. Sure, he sounds all evil and stuff, but in the mean time... And come on, what kind of reason could a cubi clan leader have to spend 25 years raising a son (who doesn't even know he's a cubi) when he could be doing so much more? Sure, 25 years is not a lot in relation to a cubi's lifespan, but 25 years is still a lot of time in which he could have been scheming and plotting other stuff.
And golly, mister Aniz, if you want to save your clan, why not impregnate at lot of female beings all at once if you want to save your clan from extinction?
No, I'm going along with the idea that Aniz is just some low-class cubi who got a crush on May and doesn't want to be seen as a total wuss. Or something. I think.
:P
Quote from: Kragoth on May 16, 2007, 12:36:54 PM
I'm getting the distinct impression that Aniz doesn't know what the heck he's doing at the moment. Sure, he sounds all evil and stuff, but in the mean time... And come on, what kind of reason could a cubi clan leader have to spend 25 years raising a son (who doesn't even know he's a cubi) when he could be doing so much more? Sure, 25 years is not a lot in relation to a cubi's lifespan, but 25 years is still a lot of time in which he could have been scheming and plotting other stuff.
I already said he didn't know what he's doing, Kragoth. Stop stealing my ideas D:<
Quote from: superluser on May 16, 2007, 11:28:30 AM
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 16, 2007, 07:23:34 AMIf Abel breaks ties with his apparently-evil father and goes to SAIA, his mother will be dead long before he's even an eighth of the way through his course. That would kind of freak him out.
Not particularly, I'd bet. He should expect his mother to die after the next twenty years or so. Most people have their parents die around that age, and most people deal with it and move on.
Most 'Cubi don't, though. Be that as it may, Abel seems to come across something that he
can't deal with and move on from. Arguably if his mother was brutally murdered by Aniz, your suggestion would also hold true - after all, it's a bit pointless brooding over her murder a hundred years later when she'd be dead anyway.
Quote from: Zedd on May 16, 2007, 12:09:15 AM
Just like any father wants his son to do..Passing on the torch
Well, he's messed that up big-time >:3 Abel's freaked out so badly that about 400 years later he's emotionally incapable of forming a relationship. Granted that this may possibly be something that happens later on in SAIA, but given his hatred of shapeshifting and avoidance of discussing his parents in the mainline, I'd say it was to do with what's happening now.
Quote from: superluser on May 16, 2007, 01:41:28 AM
P.S. Does Aniz in panel 2 look to anyone else like the unholy union of Don Knotts and Marty Feldman?
Not particularly, but now you mention it, the first one is not too far off Marty (and heck, any excuse for some practice with Photoshop):
(http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k216/tapewolf/dmfa/aniz_feldman.png)
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 16, 2007, 01:47:54 PM
Well, he's messed that up big-time >:3 Abel's freaked out so badly that about 400 years later he's emotionally incapable of forming a relationship. Granted that this may possibly be something that happens later on in SAIA, but given his hatred of shapeshifting and avoidance of discussing his parents in the mainline, I'd say it was to do with what's happening now.
This is one thing that I don't quite understand, and have been puzzling over.
Whatever his motives are, one would
presume that he wants to be on somewhat good terms with his son. Starting out by socking Abel's mother in the nose and then going into a bad villainesque crazy mode taunting rant right after does not exactly seem like the way to accomplish this. He must know that Abel cares about his mother (or he is really lousy Cubi..)
Speaking of that: I find the "he does not know what he is doing" argument a bit weak. If he was so completely incompetent there is no way he could have fooled them for 25 years. Or, at least, I'm having a hard time seeing that.
So... I'm really confused what he is up to here.
Quote from: Reaver225 on May 16, 2007, 09:09:36 AM
Quote from: LigerJet on May 16, 2007, 03:28:59 AM
Perhaps his idea of preparing Abel to carry on his line is to um...mess him up in the head. Maybe Aniz suffered through something that made him what he is today, and he figures if he messes Abel up, he'll carry on his work.
If his plan was to make Abel an introverted jerk who hides in the basement, he certainly succeeded as far as the current storyline goes.
I never said he succeeded at his potential plans. :3
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 16, 2007, 01:47:54 PMQuote from: superluser on May 16, 2007, 11:28:30 AMNot particularly, I'd bet. He should expect his mother to die after the next twenty years or so. Most people have their parents die around that age, and most people deal with it and move on.
Most 'Cubi don't, though. Be that as it may, Abel seems to come across something that he can't deal with and move on from.
Abel, at this point, doesn't know that most `cubi have parents that live well into their 2000's. He'd probably have been to the funerals for both of May's parents, and quite possibly at least one of Cid's. He's probably had friends' parents die, and before he met up with Devin and Xander, he seemed to be dealing with and moving on from Cindy's death quite nicely.
Abel can certainly deal with and move on from things, he may simply choose not to.
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 16, 2007, 01:47:54 PMArguably if his mother was brutally murdered by Aniz, your suggestion would also hold true - after all, it's a bit pointless brooding over her murder a hundred years later when she'd be dead anyway.
Now, that I don't get. I could see him brooding over that, but not if May dies of natural causes. What could Abel have done to prevent that? He can see a million things that he could have done to change it, but he can't go back to change it.
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 16, 2007, 01:47:54 PMNot particularly, but now you mention it, the first one is not too far off Marty (and heck, any excuse for some practice with Photoshop):
http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k216/tapewolf/dmfa/aniz_feldman.png
Heh. I was mainly referring to the fact that his eyes seemed to be bugging out of his skull. At least to me.
P.S. Here's a wild idea. There have been two theories floating around here. One is that Aniz is going to pass Abel off to a good cop whom he will attach to. The other is that Abel owes Edward Ti'Fiona for killing Aniz.
Now let's connect them. It would explain why Abel was so furious upon hearing Edward's name. After all, how could Edward be alive after so many years, unless...
Quote from: superluser on May 16, 2007, 02:50:24 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 16, 2007, 01:47:54 PMArguably if his mother was brutally murdered by Aniz, your suggestion would also hold true - after all, it's a bit pointless brooding over her murder a hundred years later when she'd be dead anyway.
Now, that I don't get. I could see him brooding over that, but not if May dies of natural causes. What could Abel have done to prevent that? He can see a million things that he could have done to change it, but he can't go back to change it.
I still say that if he can get over both parents dying, he can get over one of them being murdered in less than 400 years.
Incidentally, Ink mentioned that most 'Cubi are at their most depressed at around 200. I don't know if that's canon or not.
QuoteNow let's connect them. It would explain why Abel was so furious upon hearing Edward's name. After all, how could Edward be alive after so many years, unless...
'Cubi Edward? Not sure what to make of that suggestion. I'll consider it. But to be honest I suspect Edward is a Being and that whatever happened to put Abel in his debt happened within the last 50 years. Abel and Edward haven't met, but if Ed killed Aniz, it's likely Fa'Lina would learn of Abel's father's demise... somehow...
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 16, 2007, 03:03:56 PM
Abel and Edward haven't met, but if Ed killed Aniz, it's likely Fa'Lina would learn of Abel's father's demise... somehow...
Hmm, well how would Abel, or Fa'lina find out about this. Oracles is a possibility, if Aniz is a leader then surely he's probably talented enough to block out any other cubi from searching for him. Perhaps an oracle went to SAIA at one point and Abel found this out from him, or Fa'lina went to an oracle to find this out. So its not much of a stretch that "Ed killed Aniz", is just their vague way of telling that Aniz had a son in Edward, and thus it was misinterpreted like how Aary messed up the whole "Dan killed Destinia" fortune.
Quote from: Xeksue on May 16, 2007, 03:11:38 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 16, 2007, 03:03:56 PM
Abel and Edward haven't met, but if Ed killed Aniz, it's likely Fa'Lina would learn of Abel's father's demise... somehow...
Hmm, well how would Abel, or Fa'lina find out about this.
To be honest, I have no idea. But whatever and whenever it happened, she did find out about it.
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 16, 2007, 03:03:56 PMI still say that if he can get over both parents dying, he can get over one of them being murdered in less than 400 years.
Most people get over the deaths of their parents. Usually within six months to a year. Seeing your father murder your mother at age 24 and then start speaking kindly to you while the body's still warm and you're unable to stop him might be a little more traumatic. He could be seriously screwed up for the rest of his adult life because of that.
Or, as I mentioned before--he could easily be capable of getting over it, but choose not to.
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 16, 2007, 03:03:56 PM'Cubi Edward? Not sure what to make of that suggestion. I'll consider it. But to be honest I suspect Edward is a Being and that whatever happened to put Abel in his debt happened within the last 50 years. Abel and Edward haven't met, but if Ed killed Aniz, it's likely Fa'Lina would learn of Abel's father's demise... somehow...
I'm not the first to suggest it, but I might be the first to suggest that Aniz and Edward are tag-teaming it. Of course, as you point out, Abel and Edward haven't met, so that's out. Among the other extremely incongruous elements of that theory, I would assume that he wouldn't keep his name for 400 years if he were trying to blend into an adventurer society.
Quote from: superluser on May 16, 2007, 01:41:28 AM
Quote from: Manawolf on May 16, 2007, 12:39:32 AMAnd yet we have seen no ways in which he tried raising Abel to be evil.
Evil's a strong word. We haven't seen him try to raise him to believe any sort of `cubi values, though.
P.S. Does Aniz in panel 2 look to anyone else like the unholy union of Don Knotts and Marty Feldman?
Evil, dark side, life of a master manipulator, whatever. In any case, Aniz has chosen a bad time to start coaxing Abel over to his side. The boy is currently in a state of mental distress, having his world turned upside down in one day by the loss of his best childhood friend, witnessing the death of at least two other people he has known, discovering that he is a creature that is often thought to be evil, and then finding out his father has been dead for over two decades and the imposter has just made his mother bleed, his mind is not going to be open to suggestions, it's going to lock up, and stick to whatever ideas it already has formulated on its own. Current idea: Aniz is an evil bastard, who's made me a bastard, and is now thinking I'm gonna go quietly?
Somehow, you'd think a mind reader would be more knowledgeable of how the humanoid psyche functions.
If you want to get technical Abel's father died before he was born, so if you think about it Abel only really learned that his father lied to him his whole life and that Aniz is an a$$eloh!
That's pretty much the idea Abel is having right now, so I get the feeling Aniz didn't think his brilliant plan all the way through. Nice way to waste a quarter of a century there.
Taking all bets on Surpise-Cubi-May in the next panel!
Seriously. How f**king ace would that be?
Quote from: Manawolf on May 16, 2007, 04:33:16 PMIn any case, Aniz has chosen a bad time to start coaxing Abel over to his side.
Indeed. There should have been no doubt as to what Abel was when his clan marking came in, and at that point, he would have been more than capable of tending to himself. He would probably still have been much more impressionable, and he wouldn't have had any `cubi powers, making him much easier to manipulate and more docile.
Had Aniz taken him then, it would have worked out much more to his benefit.
Quote from: Manawolf on May 16, 2007, 04:33:16 PMSomehow, you'd think a mind reader would be more knowledgeable of how the humanoid psyche functions.
But he's not a humanoid. He's not even a being.
Quote from: GabrielsThoughts on May 16, 2007, 05:06:36 PMIf you want to get technical Abel's father died before he was born
No, Cid died before Abel was born (or so Aniz seems to be claiming). Abel's father did not.
Quote from: rabid_fox on May 16, 2007, 05:22:48 PMTaking all bets on Surpise-Cubi-May in the next panel!
I'm voting for unsurprise `cubi May in about 5 strips. Or rather, I've voted that way before.
Ok then, fine.
Suprise-cubi-Kurt-Cobain, for NO apparent reason in the ultimate dues ex machina ending to Abel's Arch.
Quote from: superluser on May 16, 2007, 05:42:37 PMBut he's not a humanoid. He's not even a being.
Isn't "humanoid" just the definition of the shape of a living being?
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 16, 2007, 03:03:56 PM'Cubi Edward? Not sure what to make of that suggestion. I'll consider it. But to be honest I suspect Edward is a Being and that whatever happened to put Abel in his debt happened within the last 50 years. Abel and Edward haven't met, but if Ed killed Aniz, it's likely Fa'Lina would learn of Abel's father's demise... somehow...
Who's to say it's not a family debt, rather than simply a debt to an individual? Like, a debt to Ed's grandfather or great grandfather or whoever.
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on May 16, 2007, 06:44:45 PM
Who's to say it's not a family debt, rather than simply a debt to an individual? Like, a debt to Ed's grandfather or great grandfather or whoever.
Possible, but I doubt it because Ink says "because he happens to be Edward Ti'Fiona's son" not "because he happens to be a Ti'Fiona" or somesuch.
As i see it Aniz will kill May and Kria will appear and kill Aniz and then take Abel to SAIA which she knows a friend which is Fa'Lina.
That's what is going to happen in this supposition but I could be wrong or Aniz will tell his grand scheme which that is coming to fruition on saturday.
Unfortunately, Aniz didn't actually say anything about killing May, so we're going to have to put a hold on that bit of spec.
Quote from: ShiningShadow on May 16, 2007, 06:51:05 PM
As i see it Aniz will kill May and Kria will appear and kill Aniz and then take Abel to SAIA which she knows a friend which is Fa'Lina.
That's what is going to happen in this supposition but I could be wrong or Aniz will tell his grand scheme which that is coming to fruition on saturday.
I'm guessing that Aniz is just gonna spill the beans and reveal his grand scheme, as that it is the almighty law of villains to tell their plans.
Damnit, I'm really f***ing late... anyway, on an only slightly off-topic thing, this has been brought up in a few previous threads, but never got answered: How the HELL did Aniz hide HIS clan marking from May for all of these years?
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on May 16, 2007, 06:53:32 PM
Unfortunately, Aniz didn't actually say anything about killing May, so we're going to have to put a hold on that bit of spec.
I know your right on that one but the Grand Scheme that is coming for sure and what is Abel part in all this.
Quote from: techmaster-glitch on May 16, 2007, 07:11:56 PM
Damnit, I'm really f***ing late... anyway, on an only slightly off-topic thing, this has been brought up in a few previous threads, but never got answered: How the HELL did Aniz hide HIS clan marking from May for all of these years?
Well he is a cubi, he probably influenced her to think nothing of it when they were getting it on, you know he was probably messing around in her dreams too, erasing memories she didn't need to know or something crazy like that. :rolleyes
For that matter he could have been in Abel's dreams too subtly planting sleeper memories that would trigger when the awake mind recieves a certain "message".
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on May 16, 2007, 06:44:45 PMIsn't "humanoid" just the definition of the shape of a living being?
Botulism isn't humanoid.
Abel is anthropomorphic, and I guess that might look outwardly humanoid, but the issue is the psyche.
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on May 16, 2007, 06:44:45 PMWho's to say it's not a family debt, rather than simply a debt to an individual? Like, a debt to Ed's grandfather or great grandfather or whoever.
He didn't have that reaction when he found out that Dan was a Ti'Fiona.
Quote from: Xeksue on May 16, 2007, 07:15:32 PMWell he is a cubi, he probably influenced her to think nothing of it when they were getting it on
I don't know about T-G, but I'm less concerned about when they're getting it on. More concerned about when he showers/washes his hands/walks in the rain. If he doesn't take it off, then that wrist and the fur surrounding it must smell like cheese soaked in gym socks.
Quote from: Xeksue on May 16, 2007, 07:15:32 PM
Quote from: techmaster-glitch on May 16, 2007, 07:11:56 PM
Damnit, I'm really f***ing late... anyway, on an only slightly off-topic thing, this has been brought up in a few previous threads, but never got answered: How the HELL did Aniz hide HIS clan marking from May for all of these years?
Well he is a cubi, he probably influenced her to think nothing of it when they were getting it on, you know he was probably messing around in her dreams too, erasing memories she didn't need to know or something crazy like that. :rolleyes
For that matter he could have been in Abel's dreams too subtly planting sleeper memories that would trigger when the awake mind recieves a certain "message".
Isn't it dangerous to mess with the mind (especialy memories)? I remember from the Cubi tutorial mini arc that it is very dangerous to read minds as that it puts a major risk to both the cubi and the victim.
However, I do get the dream part.
Quote from: superluser on May 16, 2007, 07:19:48 PM
I don't know about T-G, but I'm less concerned about when they're getting it on. More concerned about when he showers/washes his hands/walks in the rain. If he doesn't take it off, then that wrist and the fur surrounding it must smell like cheese soaked in gym socks.
Why wouldn't he take it off when he's taking a shower? It's not like everyone in the world is gonna suddenly assault his bathroom the minute he takes it off just to clean himself up.
Quote from: Xeksue on May 16, 2007, 07:26:32 PM
Quote from: superluser on May 16, 2007, 07:19:48 PM
I don't know about T-G, but I'm less concerned about when they're getting it on. More concerned about when he showers/washes his hands/walks in the rain. If he doesn't take it off, then that wrist and the fur surrounding it must smell like cheese soaked in gym socks.
Why wouldn't he take it off when he's taking a shower? It's not like everyone in the world is gonna suddenly assault his bathroom the minute he takes it off just to clean himself up.
That would just be freaky 0.0
Quote from: Xeksue on May 16, 2007, 07:26:32 PMWhy wouldn't he take it off when he's taking a shower? It's not like everyone in the world is gonna suddenly assault his bathroom the minute he takes it off just to clean himself up.
His wife might. (s/assault/enter/ in that case)
He has to have it off while he's showering, but also while he's waiting for it to dry. If you think that he's never going to be interrupted while washing, that's pretty silly. You're in a rush because you've got to get to the appointment, and May runs in with your tie, and
``CLOSE THE DOOR! CLOSE THE DO-O-OR! What did I tell you about that?''
Ok, so May rushes in, Aniz semi-freaks and covers up the insignia with his hand and makes a dash for his bracer, and puts it on while May is more concerned with you're tie/getting you out and about. Out of sight out of mind. Plus he's got towels in the bathroom too, theres no reason he couldn't just grab one quick as soon as May barges in.
These are extreme cases, I think in most circumstances the knock before entering rule, and locking the door would suffice.
Quote from: Xeksue on May 16, 2007, 07:43:32 PMThese are extreme cases, I think in most circumstances the knock before entering rule, and locking the door would suffice.
They're already extremely lucky to have a lock on the bedroom door. I highly doubt that they have one on the bathroom door. I think we might have had a lock on the bathroom door as a kid, but I don't think we ever had the key.
As for knock before entering, I'm having the most entertaining thought of May knocking and giving `Cid' a moment, and then opening the door and finding Cid there completely naked and sopping wet and bedraggled, except for a pair of bracers.
I find it hard to believe that she could have missed it there, and it's unlikely that May wouldn't have mentioned it when she saw Abel's tattoo. (``Oh, right. Someone knocked you out and gave it to you. And it just *happens* to look like Cid's'')
In that case "Cid" could probably initiate "man-law" or something. He could say that he's a member of some sort of adventuring guild and the tattoo is part of the initiation, and since Abel is his son, it wouldn't be right for his son to not be initiated as well since he's destined to grow up to be an adventurer like ol' pops.
Kind of like how there's initiation rites of passage for private organizations in our world. Aniz could come up with a number of responses, and he could influence May enough through dreamsurfing/emotion bombarding to the point where Aniz just HAD to be right and there was no point in deliberating the point any further.
Quote from: Xeksue on May 16, 2007, 08:17:15 PMIn that case "Cid" could probably initiate "man-law" or something. He could say that he's a member of some sort of adventuring guild and the tattoo is part of the initiation, and since Abel is his son, it wouldn't be right for his son to not be initiated as well since he's destined to grow up to be an adventurer like ol' pops.
I have a feeling that that would be a touch more difficult than you make it sound. I've said before that Aniz could have convinced May to have more kids. That's because he could read her mind and know what arguments she was going to make. It's also a very complex argument, where you have to weigh what's best for Aniz with what's best for May with what's best for the marriage as a whole with what's best for Abel with what's best for the yet unconceived child, among other things.
If you start to lose an argument, you take a different tack.
``My son needed to be initiated and so I did it secretly without either him or you knowing,'' on the other hand, is a house of cards. If you lose any one argument, they all fall.
May probably doesn't want her son to be forced into being an adventurer. It's hard on her, and she wouldn't wish that life on Abel or his future wife. May would probably ask Abel if he really wanted to be an adventurer, and it would come out that `Cid' had placed the marking on his back, and Abel would be confused, since he had no memory of it.
May would probably try to contact the other adventurers to find out what this guild is like. That would be bad, since they would not know anything about this guild, or possibly even know that that marking was a clan marking.
Aniz might win the argument, but I don't think he could do it without having Abel and a few adventurers find out, and that would be a heck of a mess to clean up.
Perhaps adventuring guild was the wrong choice of words to use. I meant it in the terms of something comparable to our world such as the Elk's club, or the Free Masons or something.
Quote from: Xeksue on May 16, 2007, 09:25:19 PMPerhaps adventuring guild was the wrong choice of words to use. I meant it in the terms of something comparable to our world such as the Elk's club, or the Free Masons or something.
I knew what you meant. I don't think May would be any happier having her son forcibly enrolled as an Oddfellow, either. Especially if the organization were in any way associated with adventuring. Now, if membership came with a tiny car and fez, that might be a different story. ;)
Quote from: superluser on May 16, 2007, 09:33:16 PM
Quote from: Xeksue on May 16, 2007, 09:25:19 PMPerhaps adventuring guild was the wrong choice of words to use. I meant it in the terms of something comparable to our world such as the Elk's club, or the Free Masons or something.
I knew what you meant. I don't think May would be any happier having her son forcibly enrolled as an Oddfellow, either. Especially if the organization were in any way associated with adventuring. Now, if membership came with a tiny car and fez, that might be a different story. ;)
hehe just give me the fez and I'll sign up for this guild >:3
Seems that after Aniz took off his makeup to unveil his clan marking, ( not magic ), and he seems to just want to get some attention by acting like a real pain and hamming it up ... It seems that he is still role playing ( as do the fae ), and has switched from adventurer to evil jerk.
May would seem to live longer than all may think, because magic can be used to extend life, and May seems to have attended some of Kria's magic lessons. Instead of 20 years, now go to over 50 years more till dead, maybe much more, with the power of magic.
Abel may have by then come to terms with Cubi life, set up a longer term "creature account" at the bank, and be ready to come to to terms with being a Cubi. Who knows ?
Quote from: superluser on May 16, 2007, 07:19:48 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 16, 2007, 03:03:56 PMWho's to say it's not a family debt, rather than simply a debt to an individual? Like, a debt to Ed's grandfather or great grandfather or whoever.
He didn't have that reaction when he found out that Dan was a Ti'Fiona.
I did not say that. That was Aridas.
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Quote from: Xeksue on May 16, 2007, 07:15:32 PMWell he is a cubi, he probably influenced her to think nothing of it when they were getting it on
More concerned about when he showers/washes his hands/walks in the rain. If he doesn't take it off, then that wrist and the fur surrounding it must smell like cheese soaked in gym socks.
Interesting thought - he might conceivably be able to shapeshift the skin under the bracer so that it's reptilian rather than mammalian.
Quote from: Zedd on May 16, 2007, 10:44:22 PM
Why you think I wear leather pants boys ;)
Oh, it's just because they're so terribly comfortable. I think in the future everyone will be wearing them, don't you think? ;-]
Incidentally, on the subject of the mark on Aniz' forearm... It would be fairly easy to keep it on the side away from May, if she's skipping into the room while he's getting dressed. If he puts his arms around her, it's going to be behind her. If he's holding a towel, he could well grab his shirt in his right arm (with the mark on it) and hide it under that, etc.
Also, giving your spouse space in the shower/getting dressed is something that -can- become habit. If he's "grumpy" of a morning, either she will naturally give him space to "wake up", or he can mentally nudge her into it. Or, since he doesn't need much sleep, he can get up and get dressed early. There's lots of ways to fiddle things.
It's not really -that- much of a stretch to hide something from her for this long. Once you get into the habit - get dressed in the dark, soas not to wake her, that sort of thing - she's not even going to question it.
Sure, it'd be a bit of a bear to start with, but she's already lulled into a sense of complacency, because she -knows- this is the man she married, after all.
*shrug*
Maybe I can see the issue wearing a bracer on the arm helps people too..I mean..Some cubi dont want to be known and mostly found if the mark appears on the arm
I still keep on wondering if Aniz was also Devin's father, and since he did not show any of the Cubi standard wings, he was considered a 'dud', Since Devin's mother had tried before, and failed to produce a winged child, it seems he went elsewhere looking. With May, he seems to have succeded. Ah, all the what ifs, and whens, that we seem to have not found out about that shadowy figure ...
You've said that before, kaskar, and been slapped down, on grounds of Devin and Abel are more or less the same age.
Were. Whatever. Aniz wouldn't have had time to set up Cid and take over before May got pregnant with Abel. It's not like "hey, first time, every time" is a reasonable supposition.
If it were, the whole of Furrae would be hip-deep in Cubi offspring. And that's patently not true - sure, there's a few around, but they're a) fairly old, mostly, and b) not -that- common, generally speaking. At least according to Demo 101.
Could you try picking another broken record to start nattering on about? This one is getting boring.
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 17, 2007, 04:01:55 AMI did not say that. That was Aridas.
I knew that. Copy/paste did not. Sorry.
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 17, 2007, 04:01:55 AMInteresting thought - he might conceivably be able to shapeshift the skin under the bracer so that it's reptilian rather than mammalian.
It would have to be something without oils in the skin; I suppose reptiles would fit that. It still seems like it would stink. Mildew and all that.
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on May 17, 2007, 05:28:29 AMIt's not really -that- much of a stretch to hide something from her for this long. Once you get into the habit - get dressed in the dark, soas not to wake her, that sort of thing - she's not even going to question it.
I guess I have to defer to the married guy. I might be able to buy showering in the morning before she gets up, but I don't think he could pull the same thing after coming back from gardening. Or does the dishes. Or washes the laundry. Thinking back to when I was living with my parents, they were never very familiar with each other, but I guarantee that my dad couldn't wear a bracer and expect that my mom would never see what's underneath.
Quote from: superluser on May 17, 2007, 06:28:10 AM
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 17, 2007, 04:01:55 AMI did not say that. That was Aridas.
I knew that. Copy/paste did not. Sorry.
Fair enough :P
QuoteQuote from: Tapewolf on May 17, 2007, 04:01:55 AMInteresting thought - he might conceivably be able to shapeshift the skin under the bracer so that it's reptilian rather than mammalian.
It would have to be something without oils in the skin; I suppose reptiles would fit that. It still seems like it would stink. Mildew and all that.
I think it could be done but there is still the problem of why he's wearing the bracer all the time anyway.
Now, if he wore a
watch...
Quote from: superluser on May 17, 2007, 06:28:10 AM
I guess I have to defer to the married guy. I might be able to buy showering in the morning before she gets up, but I don't think he could pull the same thing after coming back from gardening. Or does the dishes. Or washes the laundry. Thinking back to when I was living with my parents, they were never very familiar with each other, but I guarantee that my dad couldn't wear a bracer and expect that my mom would never see what's underneath.
Erm. You missed the other half of it - keeping the side with the mark away from view.
Remember, it's only on the outside of the arm. You don't have to cover -both- sides, just one. And you can cover that with the other side, with a little bit of forethought. Or a towel, or something - certainly long enough to distract the target with some innocent thought "oo, I'm gasping - you want a cuppa tea?" "Yes, dear - let me get it for you" type thing, perhaps.
After all, he can see what she's thinking, and distract her based on that, not just what she's saying.
The other point is that, well, we're all assuming that the bracers are set up as solid metal, nothing inside. Now, on a human, you'd have padding inside. Don't you think that perhaps, y'know, Furrae might have designed padding to work with fur? Since if someone hits your bracer with his sword, chances are they'll break your arm without padding of some sort... Now, it's unlikely they'll have as much dampness as you or I, since we sweat through our skin, and animals don't, usually - a feature of the hairless evolution - so there's not going to be, under heavy exercise, large volumes of sweat into the padding under the bracer.
I dunno about you, but I'll bet money that Amber has considered at least some of these details. :-)
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on May 17, 2007, 07:17:26 AMErm. You missed the other half of it - keeping the side with the mark away from view.
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After all, he can see what she's thinking, and distract her based on that, not just what she's saying.
True, but I still think that it would be impossible to keep her from finding out. What happens if she wants to thank him for how the garden turned out? He can't send her away with some tea.
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on May 17, 2007, 07:17:26 AMThe other point is that, well, we're all assuming that the bracers are set up as solid metal, nothing inside. Now, on a human, you'd have padding inside. Don't you think that perhaps, y'know, Furrae might have designed padding to work with fur? Since if someone hits your bracer with his sword, chances are they'll break your arm without padding of some sort... Now, it's unlikely they'll have as much dampness as you or I, since we sweat through our skin, and animals don't, usually - a feature of the hairless evolution - so there's not going to be, under heavy exercise, large volumes of sweat into the padding under the bracer.
Padding would just make things worse, since it would act like a sponge. Mildew and bacteria would thrive in there. He'd get ringworm something fierce. Possibly decubitus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bedsore), too.
Also, I'm not really thinking of sweat, but rather water.
That's assuming the padding is not designed to be replaced often. Native Americans used moss as a diaper- perhaps he figured out something similar.
Besides. Does it really freaking matter? He hid the mark. Do we really need two pages of discussion into the feasibility of how it did it? It's not like he's a real guy prancing around. It's a comic. About walking, talking animals. I don't think suspension of disbelief is that difficult of a jump. We don't need to nitpick.
Quote from: superluser on May 17, 2007, 08:02:55 AM
True, but I still think that it would be impossible to keep her from finding out. What happens if she wants to thank him for how the garden turned out? He can't send her away with some tea.
Accept the thanks gracefully, while keeping her in front of him? Move so that his arm comes in from the right, with the mark on the outside?
Keeping a single side of one arm out of sight of a single person is not -that- hard, really. If there were multiple people in the room, it'd be a -lot- harder to make it look natural. One person? Nah. Fairly easy.
Quote from: superluser on May 17, 2007, 08:02:55 AM
Padding would just make things worse, since it would act like a sponge. Mildew and bacteria would thrive in there. He'd get ringworm something fierce. Possibly decubitus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bedsore), too.
Also, I'm not really thinking of sweat, but rather water.
Depends on the padding. After all, they've got cars and stuff. Or magic - no reason he can't have magically drying padding, now, is there? (although I admit that's kinda cheating :-)
Secondly, we've only seen him sometimes. It's possible he's got multiple different sets of bracers, and swaps around - like Dan. We've just seen more of Dan than Cid/Aniz...
Please bear in mind, here, I'm playing Devil's Advocate. I don't necessarily disagree with you, I'm just providing some ideas for the opposing argument, with the intent of perhaps thinking our way around the issue and coming up with some new ideas... :-]
My idea is that he said that he broke his arms and the bracer's are a precaution against breaking them again. So he wears them all the time.
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on May 17, 2007, 08:20:52 AMAccept the thanks gracefully, while keeping her in front of him? Move so that his arm comes in from the right, with the mark on the outside?
I was thinking that she might be a little more enthusiastic about thanking him.
Not *that* enthusiastic, mind, but talking about how beautiful the perennials look and the fact that importing those tulips was a good idea.
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on May 17, 2007, 08:20:52 AMSecondly, we've only seen him sometimes. It's possible he's got multiple different sets of bracers, and swaps around - like Dan. We've just seen more of Dan than Cid/Aniz...
He does change his bracers. They seem to match his outfit, suggesting that he changes them every day. If that is the case, the mark would be even more difficult to hide.
I can suspend disbelief on this, but right now, it's easier to assume that Amber intended it this way and that May has seen the mark.
maybe May is in on this it some kind of mean joke to get hennya to leave >:3
just saiding
Not sure how many people in the world would be willing to take a bloodied punch to the nose.
*throttles aniz and beats him with a cosh*
Get to the bloody point!
It was said that cubis couldn't hide the clan mark through morphing. Maybe using the morphing amulet he is able to hide the clan mark, and that's one of the reasons he used the amulet disguised as an eye-patch.
Maybe when he hit his wife, he could see her thoughts and knew that she was about to go totally berserk although she hadn't started screaming yet. Perhaps cubi slap people as soon as the thoughts become hysterical rather than waiting for hysterical actions.
Perhaps there are many decent cubi out there, but they all use their shape-changing ability so as to not frighten people.
Perhaps Aniz doesn't expect anybody to believe him, but is thinking that perhaps Abel will come around in a few hundred years as he learns more about cubi. If he decided to later to make up with Aniz and found that Aniz had been killed or was unable to be found, that would add to his isolation.
I've decided to stop lurking and post my opinions. More to follow.
For those who feel that I'm being too gentle with Aniz, I will later post an alternate theory where Aniz plans to achieve world domination through ritual torture and sacrifice of family and friends, making he who must not be named in the Harry Potter series appear to be a saint by comparison. Abel survived only through the nature of the protective spells at SAIA. In this theory, Aniz was eventually killed by an adventurer named Edward TiFiona, explaining why Abel feels that he must protect Dan.
Quote from: Damaris on May 17, 2007, 08:15:35 AM
Besides. Does it really freaking matter? He hid the mark. Do we really need two pages of discussion into the feasibility of how it did it? It's not like he's a real guy prancing around. It's a comic. About walking, talking animals. I don't think suspension of disbelief is that difficult of a jump. We don't need to nitpick.
The voice of reason is often ignored here (as in life in general) but its refreshing to hear.
I've made this kind of point before, while many interesting things can turn up on these forums, it also can be proof that people will mistake opinions for facts and forget that fiction doesn't follow the same rules as reality (or an individual perception of it)
"Real life does make sense so why should fiction?"
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Quote from: Manawolf on May 17, 2007, 04:36:43 PMNot sure how many people in the world would be willing to take a bloodied punch to the nose.
Ever see The French Connection?
QuoteDoyle: Where do you want it?
Informant: This side.
Quote from: Manawolf on May 17, 2007, 04:36:43 PM
Not sure how many people in the world would be willing to take a bloodied punch to the nose.
hey you never know maybe if (key word if ) iam right it was something that wasn't plan just thier for the drama
For all we know aniz was one that should been punch but he hit frist
I for one don't think he's trying to make Abel evil, but rather pass on the torch by making him a total jerk.
In response to MT Hazard about facts and opinions, I have seen the implication in a few remarks that this story began in a small town and that May has been there a long time.
I would like to point out a few things. This town has a shipyard, a seaport, and a rather large school building (See page 13). These are not things that you find in a small town.
It was May who suggested moving to Zinvth and she indicated some familiarity with the city. After discussing Zinvth, Aniz/Cid says that at least May didn't want to move in with May's mother. I took this to mean that perhaps May's mother lived in Zinvth. If May's mother had lived in the town where this whole thing started, moving in with her mother wouldn't make sense. However, if May's mother lived in Zinvth and May was born in Zinvth, moving there makes more sense. If you look at page 21, there is one character that looks like a dragon, one that looks like an ordinary being and a mythos. If this is the kind of classroom where May went to school, she would definitely feel confident that Abel would be accepted there. The only known demon is Kria Soulstealer, and she uses a morphing amulet to appear less threatening.
I would also like to mention that the town of Zinvth would be likely to have police who were used to criminals with magical powers and supernatural abilities. They would want to keep the peace, if only because crime is bad for business. Aniz might find violence suprisingly difficult and unrewarding.
It was mentioned that people on this forum are frequently irrational. I believe that that a very similar comment was made to Spock about humans on the original Star Trek. I believe that Spock's reply was to the effect that the statement was true, and that therefore there was no place where he was more needed.
Actually, messing with the minds of irrational people sounds strangely attractive. I was trained as an engineer and we do have a strange sense of humor. (Engineers find Seven of Nine from Star Trek Voyager attractive because of her wonderful sense of humor. And we find the fact that ** normal ** people don't get the jokes as hilarious.)
Quote from: AnizInDisguise on May 17, 2007, 09:09:46 PM
I for one don't think he's trying to make Abel evil, but rather pass on the torch by making him a total jerk.
Which he isn't. And I doubt that would be the way to make someone a jerk.
Quote from: Naldru on May 17, 2007, 05:39:09 PM
It was said that cubis couldn't hide the clan mark through morphing. Maybe using the morphing amulet he is able to hide the clan mark, and that's one of the reasons he used the amulet disguised as an eye-patch.
I'm fairly certain Amber said it wasn't a morphing amulet of some sort. I know for sure she said it wasn't a patch, because that was the title of the page that day.
I think Alondro's idea is probably one of the most valid, aided by a little help from Llearch's strategems: dye the fur to match the rest, and then use careful maneuvering to keep it mostly out of sight.
I would be of the opinion that May hadn't seen Aniz's mark before he showed Abel, because she didn't make any comments about his "tattoo" looking like the one her "husband" had.(we now know that Cid was killed after he married May)
How do we know that Cid was killed after the wedding? Did I miss something?
Quote from: Naldru on May 18, 2007, 12:03:23 AM
How do we know that Cid was killed after the wedding? Did I miss something?
Well we know Aniz killed Cid, and we know hes been dead for about 25 years ish? I don't think he specified if it was after a particular event though so it could have easily been before or after the wedding.
Are you referring to the fact that Aniz has been preparing his speech for 25 years. He could have started preparing the speech at the wedding, not because he killed Cid.
Cubi like to mess with your head. So does Amber.
Quote from: Naldru on May 18, 2007, 12:09:40 AM
Are you referring to the fact that Aniz has been preparing his speech for 25 years. He could have started preparing the speech at the wedding, not because he killed Cid.
Yeah that is true, Aniz' wording is that Cid has been dead for many years, so I'd estimate its somewhere between 10-25 years the time that Aniz actually kills him. So yeah really anything is possible.
And I'm convinced Amber is Lucifer, mostly because I'm still here. ;)
What constitutes many years to you might not constitute many years to a Cubi.
Hooray. I've evolved from proto-slime to slime.
Well yeah obviously, but the real Cid was a being, so he was probably talking in a context May could understand.
After killing May's darling hubby... (http://missmab.com/Comics/Abel_89.php) indicates that cid and May were married at the time... though it's a good bet I assume entirely too much.
[edit]Hmm... I have the distinct feeling i'm one of those annoying "know-it-all" pests that Darkmoon's new topic is directed towards. Duly noted, I shall watch my posts more carefully.(habit, really. Really bad habit.)[/edit]
I just hope that he isn't referring to me.
There was a line from Will Rogers that always stuck with me:
It isn't what we don't know that hurts us. It's what we know that isn't so.
Nah, you're fine. You've been asking too many questions, and you're too new to be a "know-it-all."
[edit]Retrospective: wow. I'm really not very good at this, am I? I should probably shut up while my grave's shallow.[/edit]
Note for future: Will May be able to claim a Ginormous payout in the future, if May gets a divorce based on the minor fact that the 'Cid' of before has transformed into the Aniz of now. The Cubi, Aniz , should have deep enough pockets there to afford a more than generous payout, and in so doing, rid himself legally of his maritial ties to May , and thus regain all the freedoms and status of being single again.
Quote from: Naldru on May 17, 2007, 09:25:57 PMIn response to MT Hazard about facts and opinions, I have seen the implication in a few remarks that this story began in a small town and that May has been there a long time.
I would like to point out a few things. This town has a shipyard, a seaport, and a rather large school building (See page 13). These are not things that you find in a small town.
It depends what you mean by small. Cantiv (if that is indeed the city where this began) would not be a small town by the standards of the time. It's probably similar in weight to Erie, Pennsylvania (my birthplace, population 100,000), which also has a port and several large schools and used to have a shipyard.
But by today's standards, almost any town in Cantiv's time would probably be considered small. In 1600, Rome's population was roughly 100,000 (source (http://www.wga.hu/database/glossary/cities/rome.html)). I doubt Cantiv is the equivalent of Rome, so that puts it at a few thousand to a few tens of thousands. To many of us, that's a small town.
Quote from: Fuyudenki on May 18, 2007, 01:02:45 AM
Nah, you're fine. You've been asking too many questions, and you're too new to be a "know-it-all."
[edit]Retrospective: wow. I'm really not very good at this, am I? I should probably shut up while my grave's shallow.[/edit]
Without going and checking with the admins, I would say that the post is directed to the type of people who shred other's posts, screaming "nonono" (although sometimes politely). Discussion yes. Tearing apart the minuteia of the DMFA universe, no.