Aniz must die for this
Aniz will get away.
:mowmeep Aniz, look out for your shoes ! Remember what Abel does in the sight of blood !
(http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w68/kaskar_photos/abel95c.jpg) (http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w68/kaskar_photos/Blood.jpg)
It's kind of amazing how much one can want a particular character to die in the most horrible ways imaginable. :boogie
Ohhh man... this entire scenario has gone from bad to worse to worse to worse to worse to worse... and it just got even worse. And something tells me it's still far from over...
Why are you people all OMG KILL ANIZ KILL ANIZ every time he does something the least bit violent? All he did was scratch Abel to make him bleed, and therefore incapacitate him with his fear. There's nothing wrong with that when you're trying to deal with someone you intend to bring with you.
I fail to see how a panic-inducing, but ultimately harmless, cut on the forehead is evil. Mean, maybe even cruel, but not evil. If he was evil, he'd have ripped Abel's hand off.
The point here is that Aniz has used Abel's chief weakness to his advantage, and effectively paralyzed him, but not caused any real harm. Sure, they bleed a lot, but shallow forehead wounds also heal quickly, for much the same reason.
In conclusion.
call May a whore=evil
cut Abel's forehead!=evil
[edit]curse you, Adrias, I was typing first!
Well thats one good move and I learned something from this as well
Aridas does have a point in this case. it was the minimal violent thing he could have done. on his guard as he was able may have resisted sleep or paralyzing spells assumes that Aniz is capable of casting such spells.
Deliberately inciting a genuine paralizing fear in someone for no other reason to spite them and prove the attacker is better when there are other, gentler ways of incapacitating someone? The cut itself, you're right, is not particularly evil. Deliberately using someone's mortal fear against them? Evil.
HEH. Aniz just keeps making me think he's a clevver kitty.
Which keeps making me question just about eeeeeverything he says.
I love that about this comic. :boogie
One thing that occurred to me was that his blood was running on the surface of his fur, wouldn't the blood get soaked up in his forehead fur, and expand as a giant blot, rather then running down in rivlets as it would on bare skin?
Well, Hennya's just watched another friend get bloodied and tormented by this fiend. My bet is that we're going to see what an angry mythos can do. Next mow-time, same mow-channel.
Well, until we start seeing him chopping off the heads of violated women, he's not as bad as Drip.
Getting closer, though.
I don't know. Drip may be the ass of all assholes, but Aniz has a subtler evil. Not by much, but still subtler than Drip. And that is the evil multiplication factor.
But even if that's not so, you're right, he's just barely poking his finger into Drip's territory.
It looks like Abel's going to be out of the fight. He'll faint, and then Aniz will have to carry his unconscious body to his destination like a sack of potatoes.
I suppose that's better than carrying a sack of kittens.
*looks at Aniz through my sniper scope* OK give me $0.25 and I'll take him out. Come one the round cost more than that.
I really dislike Aniz.
Abel is a nice kid who had intresting adventures around Dan yet Dan doesn't bother exploiting weaknesses like that. He would rather irritate, annoy and pester Abel to death (be it knowingly or unknowingly, Dan is like that atleast I think).
Well anyways. I really dislike Aniz and he just gives me more and more reasons to want to see him six feet under.
Ooo, clever. And unexpected, too.
Quote from: Madmann135 on June 30, 2007, 03:13:07 AM
*looks at Aniz through my sniper scope* OK give me $0.25 and I'll take him out. Come one the round cost more than that.
I really dislike Aniz.
Abel is a nice kid who had intresting adventures around Dan yet Dan doesn't bother exploiting weaknesses like that. He would rather irritate, annoy and pester Abel to death (be it knowingly or unknowingly, Dan is like that atleast I think).
Well anyways. I really dislike Aniz and he just gives me more and more reasons to want to see him six feet under.
1. Dan didn't know before
2. Dan doesn't have to drag Abel somewhere he doesn't want to go without a fight, and Abel isn't trying to attack him either. in any case he wouldn't need to do that in the first place. Aniz does.
QuoteFunny thing about foreheads. Just the slightest cut can cause a lot of bleeding.
Boy, don't I know it. :B
Quote from: superluser on June 30, 2007, 03:09:20 AM
It looks like Abel's going to be out of the fight. He'll faint, and then Aniz will have to carry his unconscious body to his destination like a sack of potatoes.
I suppose that's better than carrying a sack of kittens.
Amusingly, his destination is Destania. (This may sound funnier when pronounced by me, as I pronounce Destania as Destina, due to me never properly reading names. :>)
Edit: Oh and go one for Aniz! Quite ingenious. Much more subtle than just smacking him between the eyes. Crueler too.
I thought it was quite a good idea. Not the sort of thing I'd do to my son, but if I had to incapacitate someone who hates me it's something I'd consider and it's a lot better than him murdering May and Hennya.
Also, don't forget that Abel just tried to kill/maim him with a chair.
:mowmeep Yeh, Aniz may be playing it a bit too cool ...
Cool for cats?
This made me think about the wrestlers who have the razor slivers to cut themselves on the forehead with.
Aniz is a sweetie.
Someone get a sponge. I think he's got a booboo. o:
Quote from: Tapewolf on June 30, 2007, 06:59:16 AM
Also, don't forget that Abel just tried to kill/maim him with a chair.
Which is what any of us in his position would do, seeing how Aniz has been treating his mother.
Sedated by the truth always leaves up to the final answering reflection we lead fighting our own inner battles makes up a simpleness why Aniz is doing this to torment his own flesh and blood....And from the looks of it..Abels sanity is forever smashed like a diamond crushed into a fine powder. He probley was the only one next to May maybe.. knew the fact and the tragicness that sums up to their sons fears and now Aniz rather wishes to exploit it like in sort of sick game only demented soul sucking,shapeshifting,perverted monster of a creature like him can cook up.
WoW 0_0 ok what in the world is hennya doing ? where is she hopeful she try to cast a spell on aniz Or maybe it all a dream that aniz is messing with him and it didn't really happed yet and he is trying to abel make go willing to SAIA so Aniz maybe never cut abel it was only in his dream so maybe it all was a bad dream that Aniz made worst ( just saying )
Quote from: Manawolf on June 30, 2007, 02:55:50 AM
Well, until we start seeing him chopping off the heads of violated women, he's not as bad as Drip.
Getting closer, though.
That still wouldn't be enough. When we see him rape a 5 year old girl, with a smile on his face and singing broadway, THEN he's getting close to Drip.
Aniz is still a scumbag, though.
Clever.
Nasty, but clever.
Call it spoiling the effect, but this is starting to look like a game of "how much can the audience hate Aniz before it just gets depressing?" (Not that that's a bad thing - it certainly worked on me while I was chasing that flute-playing guy in Twilight Princess.)
Quote from: Tapewolf on June 30, 2007, 06:59:16 AM
I thought it was quite a good idea. Not the sort of thing I'd do to my son, but if I had to incapacitate someone who hates me it's something I'd consider and it's a lot better than him murdering May and Hennya.
Also, don't forget that Abel just tried to kill/maim him with a chair.
I have to agree.. he wants Abel alive, and I assume, whole.. It might be a little cruel, but its probably the best solution given the situation.
Actually.
Chair shots. Hidden identities. Forehead cuts. Swaggering prepared speeches gone half-forgotten. Amber's been watching the wrestling for sure.
QuoteSo give them blood, blood, gallons of the stuff!
Give them all that they can drink and it will never be enough.
So give them blood, blood, blood.
Grab a glass because there's going to be a flood!
*Charles hmms* Behind the ear bleeds alot too. Well, at least for me it does, cuz I have this little knot of capillaries very close to the surface behind my left ear that I accidently scratch open sometimes when washing my hair. It's only the size of a pinhead, but boy does that sucker bleed! First time I found it, I felt something trickling down my neck, and when I looked in the mirror, my whole shoulder was covered in blood! Naturally, I didn't freak out since I'm a scientist. I was instead very curious about what could cause such an odd capillary grouping. :)
*Charline bites Charles and sucks his blood out!* There, now you don't ave to worry about that happening again. >:3 I think Abel will soon go berserk and kill everyone. At least that's my happy-skippity-joy fantasy. :boogie
Quote from: Caswin on June 30, 2007, 10:11:42 AM
Call it spoiling the effect, but this is starting to look like a game of "how much can the audience hate Aniz before it just gets depressing?"
Oh, it passed that mark several strips ago. There is no enjoyment with Abel's story anymore. I just keep sticking with it to see how it ends.
Quote from: thegayhare on June 30, 2007, 10:38:12 AM
QuoteSo give them blood, blood, gallons of the stuff!
Give them all that they can drink and it will never be enough.
So give them blood, blood, blood.
Grab a glass because there's going to be a flood!
You know what they do to guys like us in prison...
Oi, more falling from the high platform I had placed Aniz on. Aniz! Listen to your heart! There's still time, you're not too far gone! Tell May you love her, and will bring her with you, and you can all live happily ever after! I know you do care for her, no one is that good an actor that they could convince someone they loved them for however many years that was without feeling something!
Quote from: Alondro on June 30, 2007, 11:32:40 AM
Naturally, I didn't freak out since I'm a scientist. I was instead very curious about what could cause such an odd capillary grouping. :)
(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/the_difference.png)
In other news, when someone mentioned blunt head trauma, it occurred to me that, as I've mentioned before, forehead wounds are relatively mild. It's painless, heals quickly, doesn't leave a scar if the cut is small(and it doesn't have to be large at all to produce copious amounts of blood), doesn't cause permanent physical damage, doesn't exert stress on the skull bones, doesn't cause physical brain damage, and as I've said before, will heal quickly.
Also, he's playing to a phobia which Abel already has. Any psychological effects of seeing one's own blood, even for a hemophobe like Abel, will be far overshadowed by the night's earlier events.(Devin's death, discovering his father was a lie, learning he's an incubus, etc...)
I'd say the forehead cut was downright merciful, compared to the alternatives. Take the kid out of the battle, but don't cause any real damage.
is this the part where Abel reveals he absorbed all of Devin's life memories, and kicks Aniz ass?
Quote from: GabrielsThoughts on June 30, 2007, 02:59:58 PM
is this the part where Abel reveals he absorbed all of Devin's life memories, and kicks Aniz ass?
No, that's
The Crow
the crow? which one Stairway to heaven, city of angels, one of the newer four movies ?
Quote from: GabrielsThoughts on June 30, 2007, 03:20:35 PM
the crow? which one Stairway to heaven, city of angels, one of the newer four movies ?
The first film.
Well, that was cruel of Aniz to do to his son.
And, very in-control.
I reiterate something I said in another thread: Aniz is toying with them. His behavior reminds me exactly of how one of my cats behaves when she finds a mouse: almost treating it as prey, but really just toying with it.
So, I wonder if Aniz is a more accurate representation of how most 'cubi behave...
What Eowyn types- bbbbbnnnnnnnnaaaaaaaaaaaaaadddddd
What Eowyn says- banaid? kisss?
What Eowyn means- Who is going to give him first aid? everyone else is KO! Daddy, I need a new scooby doo band aid, the old one fell off.
QuoteSo, I wonder if Aniz is a more accurate representation of how most 'cubi behave...
Probably, there's a reason behind why Merlitz' old party members were looking around for cubi a few strips ago in the main line and why Dan was/is still reluctant to fully accept his cubi heritage.
This is probably his best opportunity to just grab Abel and run off with him now that he's incapacitated him. I don't think Hennyas gonna try to stop him since Abel going WWE on him didn't have any effect.
To those wishing gory death upon Aniz:
Aariana has all but CERTAINLY done worse than this before. Probably WAY worse.
Kria... Kria probably is slightly less evil than this. Aariana's probably more evil.
We shan't talk of what the Home Ec teacher from the SAIA arc is probably capable of.
Quote from: MaskedRetriever on June 30, 2007, 05:04:30 PMTo those wishing gory death upon Aniz:
Aariana has all but CERTAINLY done worse than this before. Probably WAY worse.
Kria... Kria probably is slightly less evil than this. Aariana's probably more evil.
We shan't talk of what the Home Ec teacher from the SAIA arc is probably capable of.
...and wouldn't you know it, I don't like any of them.
To stand on an itty-bitty soapbox and put it bluntly:
Kria's a mass murderer with a body count of at least twenty and probably well over that.
Aaryanna is at least implied to have a long history of nastiness (soul in a jar, anyone?) as well as being stopped just short of raping and murdering Merlitz in their first meeting.
Fa'Lina was more than prepared to kill Merlitz (he does get the short end of the stick rather often, doesn't he?) without much thought on the grounds that she didn't like him - not to mention running a school (not, in all fairness, entirely, but still largely) devoted to teaching various techniques of hurting and killing innocent people.
I think the reason Aniz is taking more heat than most of his peers is because we're actually seeing it happen, on-panel, to characters we've grown to care about rather than a bunch of nameless victims.
Quote from: Caswin on June 30, 2007, 05:43:56 PM
Aaryanna is at least implied to have a long history of nastiness (soul in a jar, anyone?) as well as being stopped just short of raping and murdering Merlitz in their first meeting.
And killing Dan.
Quotenot to mention running a school (not, in all fairness, entirely, but still largely) devoted to teaching various techniques of hurting and killing innocent people.
And soul-eating. Remember how she laughed about killing Beings when she was discussing the 'Incantation Ploy' with Aary?
Remember that Dan also has a body count himself - in fact, it's likely that Abel himself is one of the most innocuous 'Cubi members of the cast. I suspect that being brought up as a Being helps a lot.
Quote from: Tapewolf on June 30, 2007, 05:55:50 PM
And killing Dan.
Well, yeah, that was bad, too, although in her defense, she was genuinely under the impression that Dan had killed her best friend. I blame the Oracle.
Quote from: Tapewolf on June 30, 2007, 05:55:50 PM
Remember how she laughed about killing Beings when she was discussing the 'Incantation Ploy' with Aary?
Heck, when you think about it, that scene should by all rights be at least a little chilling...
Quote from: Tapewolf on June 30, 2007, 05:55:50 PMRemember that Dan also has a body count himself
I guess you could say that - although the only ones I'm aware of were monsters terrorizing the townsfolk, killing people... basically, not random innocents.
All the same, good point... this comic is starting to remind me of
Pulp Fiction. :erk
Ah, but Aniz isn't really trying to kill here, is he? We find him so repulsive because death would be merciful.
As we have seen, Aniz could probably kill everyone present with ease. And, if that's all he did, we would certainly be sad.
But he isn't. He is breaking them. A sadistic torture that is, very much, worse than a mere slaughter, reveling in the twisting and snapping. May will never recover from this, ever. Abel is at least affected by it - he hates shapeshifting into others, remember?
It's not the actions themselves that are so terrible. In fact, so far, Aniz could be said to be guilty of only killing Cid, at some point, if even that. Perhaps giving Abel a cut and knocking May into a table. Nothing doing on the evil scale.
What he's done to May, is nothing short of evil, of the grandest, most repulsive sort. 20 years of deceit, a masquerade as her husband, who you more than likely killed? Bringing up her most terrible memories, implying she will relive them, and promising, that though she will die someday, he, an immortal, will put flowers on her grave - a complete and utter mockery of everything she is, and held dear. She is broken. She will not recover from that. How can she? How could she ever get close to anyone, ever again?
No, it's not that he isn't as evil, or 'less' evil. He is just as evil, in a different way.
Well, there's certainly a discontinuous morality situation of beings vs creatures.
DMFA has, especially recently, shown us, in depth, a wide variety of complex interactions of the sort of violent world that Furrae really IS.
For comparison, consider "predation" furry comics like Suburban Jungle and Kevin and Kell. THESE comics are way scarier to me, honestly, than DMFA. In Kevin and Kell, every predator is a serial murderer with a long, long victim list and nobody seems especially concerned by it. Likewise Suburban Jungle. There have been moments in Kevin and Kell that, if really percieved as they are would make someone who yawned through Hannibal shudder.
In DMFA, however, the violence has real implications. Beings really DON'T feel comfortable around Creatures (at least the ones who actually kill) and, as Amber has pointed out, Adventuring has become a big industry.
When I read DMFA, I tend to see the Creatures in a somewhat colored light; I know many of the things they've done, and I'm forced by the script to bend my perceptions around the way their own morality operates. (Kria's little speech was VERY enlightening in this respect.)
Quick hit on SAIA: Not "largely" for torture and murder. It's just a prominent thing in the curriculum. My suspicion is actually that Fa'lina is interested in (long term) a MORE peaceful relationship between Cubi and beings: what drives her is the survival and improvement of the Cubi race, and the Creature Council is increasingly aware of how powerful beings are becoming...
All I have to say...Here comes! THE DRUMS! >:3
I dunno, I kinda like Aniz
I'm so random its great ^^.
*de-lurks!*
I'm more horrified by the fact that it'll be Cliffhanger City for all until sometime in the middle of July. : :U
Quote from: techmaster-glitch on June 30, 2007, 03:01:39 AM
I don't know. Drip may be the ass of all assholes, but Aniz has a subtler evil. Not by much, but still subtler than Drip. And that is the evil multiplication factor.
But even if that's not so, you're right, he's just barely poking his finger into Drip's territory.
All good villains, the best anyway, have the ability to make you hate them, but still feel sympathy for them in some way. In other words, they aren't pure evil, they are human and believeable (this makes them even scarier, actually). Sometimes you can even imagine yourself in their place if things had been different. Amber has done an excellent job with Aniz in this respect.
She also obviously knows something about David Hopkins' Drip. She even created a special Censorship Panda for him:
(http://www.pholph.com/Drip_MA.gif)
Aniz isn't showing much of a human nature, only that of an underhanded deciever.
Quote from: Zedd on June 30, 2007, 09:51:58 PM
All I have to say...Here comes! THE DRUMS! >:3
herecomethedrumsherecomethedrums OOH BABY BABY BABY!
The Sound of Drums was awesome, Last of the Time Lords sucked.
Right, back on topic now.
Quote from: Manawolf on July 01, 2007, 02:36:08 AM
Aniz isn't showing much of a human nature, only that of an underhanded deciever.
Then again, he isn't human...
Quote from: MaskedRetriever on June 30, 2007, 09:24:31 PM
Well, there's certainly a discontinuous morality situation of beings vs creatures.
DMFA has, especially recently, shown us, in depth, a wide variety of complex interactions of the sort of violent world that Furrae really IS.
Indeed. This is one of the things which makes it such an interesting setting, and it's something that people with 'Cubi characters sometimes forget. They have a very, very different moral outlook from Beings (and Beings don't have quite the same outlook as humans either).
'Cubi who were brought up as Beings will be easier to understand but even so, they are going to come out of SAIA (those who attended) with quite different ideas to when they went in.
QuoteQuick hit on SAIA: Not "largely" for torture and murder. It's just a prominent thing in the curriculum. My suspicion is actually that Fa'lina is interested in (long term) a MORE peaceful relationship between Cubi and beings: what drives her is the survival and improvement of the Cubi race, and the Creature Council is increasingly aware of how powerful beings are becoming...
Yet she teaches soul-stealing and eating. Admittedly one of the major themes in my future fanfic is using the technique to
save people, but this is
not what people in DMFA canon have been using it for AFAIK which is why I thought the concept was interesting to explore. Even Abel is
blase about this (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_572.php) although his opinion on actually consuming them is unclear at this time.
Quote from: Illusionist on July 01, 2007, 04:57:13 AM
herecomethedrumsherecomethedrums OOH BABY BABY BABY!
The Sound of Drums was awesome, Last of the Time Lords sucked.
You aren't talking about the Kula Shaker song with the cool organ riff, are you?
:mowmeep You know , Aniz better look out ...
8) 'Cause some cat's gonna strike back !!!
Quote from: Tapewolf on July 01, 2007, 05:13:39 AM
Quote from: Illusionist on July 01, 2007, 04:57:13 AM
herecomethedrumsherecomethedrums OOH BABY BABY BABY!
The Sound of Drums was awesome, Last of the Time Lords sucked.
You aren't talking about the Kula Shaker song with the cool organ riff, are you?
No but he's talking about Voodoo Child by Rogue Traders
Quote from: Tapewolf on July 01, 2007, 05:13:39 AM
Quote from: Manawolf on July 01, 2007, 02:36:08 AM
Aniz isn't showing much of a human nature, only that of an underhanded deciever.
Then again, he isn't human...
The point is, I think, he's really not showing any redeeming qualities at all, and like I've said before (different topic) all but admitted to not having any in his "motivation" speech.
"Redeeming qualities" are all a matter of perception.
Quote from: Tapewolf on July 01, 2007, 05:13:39 AM
QuoteQuick hit on SAIA: Not "largely" for torture and murder. It's just a prominent thing in the curriculum. My suspicion is actually that Fa'lina is interested in (long term) a MORE peaceful relationship between Cubi and beings: what drives her is the survival and improvement of the Cubi race, and the Creature Council is increasingly aware of how powerful beings are becoming...
Yet she teaches soul-stealing and eating. Admittedly one of the major themes in my future fanfic is using the technique to save people, but this is not what people in DMFA canon have been using it for AFAIK which is why I thought the concept was interesting to explore. Even Abel is blase about this (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_572.php) although his opinion on actually consuming them is unclear at this time.
I think the closest we have to Abel expressing himself on this is "Most Cubi are Jerks" or perhaps "if I were going to be racist I'd be racist against a group likely to randomly rip out my spine also".
We don't have any reccord of soul-yanking used for rescue, 'tis true. My point isn't that Fa'lina doesn't teach people how to do extremely nasty things to beings (and indeed other creature races when appropriate) but that she too sees the writing on the wall when it comes to the long term survival of her species. To survive, the various creature races won't be able to ignore the progress of Beings and their technology for long: they will need to bring their moral systems in line or
fight.
And Fa'lina values the peace dividend. Look at the school she built.
Quote from: Tapewolf on July 01, 2007, 05:13:39 AM
Admittedly one of the major themes in my future fanfic
That should have read "future history" - I meant the thing is set in the future, not that it's something I'm planning :rolleyes
Quote from: MaskedRetriever on July 01, 2007, 11:43:44 AM
To survive, the various creature races won't be able to ignore the progress of Beings and their technology for long: they will need to bring their moral systems in line or fight.
I don't buy that as an excuse for teaching soul-eating. Killing people is arguably self-defence - trapping their souls, possibly - but eating their souls, no.
Quote from: Tapewolf on July 01, 2007, 01:24:42 PM
Quote from: MaskedRetriever on July 01, 2007, 11:43:44 AM
To survive, the various creature races won't be able to ignore the progress of Beings and their technology for long: they will need to bring their moral systems in line or fight.
I don't buy that as an excuse for teaching soul-eating. Killing people is arguably self-defence - trapping their souls, possibly - but eating their souls, no.
Fortunately for me, I didn't mean that it was.
The soul-eating, the torture, all that, exists because this represented a working survival strategy: kill or be killed. Eat souls to grow even stronger. Strength is survival.
I do not mean to excuse Fa'lina for all the violence in the current curriculum, but rather I mean to imply that she can see as well as I can that this strategy won't work forever, as beings develop nonmagical defenses and strengths that far outstrip
any demon race, changing the balance of power in a way qualitatively different from previous systems.
SAIA is configured to maintain peace with the other Creature races: how the beings get along is ignored because by Old Creature Morality, one might as well scheme to make peace with a flock of (nonsentient) sheep: it makes no sense!
But times are changing, and I'm sure Fa'lina can see this. I'd go so far as to suspect her of plotting to make peace with the Beings just as they become a threat. But in the meantime, there's still some power to be taken from them while they can't defend themselves...
Ah. Yes, that makes sense.
Actually, one of the key ideas in Future History was to use the soul-eating technique for something else. I'll not elaborate as it's a bit of a spoiler for anyone who may intend to read it.
Quote from: MaskedRetriever on July 01, 2007, 01:43:27 PM
I do not mean to excuse Fa'lina for all the violence in the current curriculum, but rather I mean to imply that she can see as well as I can that this strategy won't work forever, as beings develop nonmagical defenses and strengths that far outstrip any demon race, changing the balance of power in a way qualitatively different from previous systems.
Yeah. The zerg rush is a hell of an equalizer. :-]
*cough*
But still a total noob tactic, lol :3
Quote from: Kenji on July 01, 2007, 11:17:52 AM
"Redeeming qualities" are all a matter of perception.
Alrighty then, speaking in about as broad a manner as possible from the (roughly the same) being/human point of view: let's call actually caring about
someone other than yourself a redeeming quality. To use the above examples, Kria, Aaryanna and Fa'Lina, whatever horrible (subjectively, you might say) things they might do, have been shown to care about the well-being of at least a select few others.
Aniz - although this
could change in the future, judging again by his "motive" spiel, it doesn't seem likely - has shown no such thing.
Quote from: MaskedRetriever on July 01, 2007, 01:43:27 PMThe soul-eating, the torture, all that, exists because this represented a working survival strategy: kill or be killed. Eat souls to grow even stronger. Strength is survival.
...even though they can get by for centuries on purely harmless and passive emotion-feeding, and probably more still out of a healthy relationship or something. That's not a matter of doing what's necessary for survival, it's power.
Sorry, I don't think I've kept up with the in-comic history too well, where are you getting evidence for Fa'lina's long-term peace-with-other-races plans?
He's guessing, I think.
Reasonable extrapolation, but no real data either way, IMHO. :-/
Quote
Sorry, I don't think I've kept up with the in-comic history too well, where are you getting evidence for Fa'lina's long-term peace-with-other-races plans?
It's not the history, it's the subtle hints, clues, and descriptions. Fa'Lina's entire clan was wiped out, remember that. That's the main reason she founded SAIA, and why she occasionally pushes for better race-to-race relations as a whole, even though she herself continues to kill and devour the souls of Beings. Which is kinda twisty, I'll admit.
Also, Fa'lina's reaction to losing her clan, and to the violence, was to establish a safe haven where things would always be peaceful, and where Cubi could be comfortable and NOT live as warriors.
I put it to you that the very nature of SAIA speaks volumes for Fa'lina's attitude towards a peaceful existence. It far more closely resembles a college than a battle school or military academy.
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on July 01, 2007, 04:03:22 PMReasonable extrapolation, but no real data either way, IMHO. :-/
I'd say, y'know, killing beings without a second thought and devoting classes to pain and terror might count as data against it.
Quote from: techmaster-glitch on July 01, 2007, 04:04:49 PMand why she occasionally pushes for better race-to-race relations as a whole
That's my question. Where'd that crop up?
*checks* Hrrmmm...
You know what? I don't know. I guess it was just one of those rumors that pops up somewhere, and everyone starts reciting it, because it sounds simple and viable enough to be true. But after actually checking the comic and demo. 101...
So Fa'Lina may or may not have been actually pushing for peaceful relations between Cubi and other races. And she may or may not have even tried to pushed for peace between Cubi clans, either. What she has done, however, is enforce peace between Cubi with the walls of her Academy. That much is fact.
Quote from: Caswin on July 01, 2007, 03:57:51 PM
...even though they can get by for centuries on purely harmless and passive emotion-feeding, and probably more still out of a healthy relationship or something. That's not a matter of doing what's necessary for survival, it's power.
Yes. I don't know for sure, but my assumption is that the nominal lifespan listed on the Demonology page is roughly what you'd expect without soul-eating. Of course it might also be the average they make before an Adventurer whacks them.
Anyway, remember Mab's line from 308: "Was Dan aware that succubi and incubi live for a couple of thousand years?"
I hardly expect Miss I-Never-Liked-Violence to try and persuade Dan to go 'round eating souls, so I imagine she's referring to their natural lifespan.
Eek that info about the forehead is strangely familiar, I've heard nearly that exactly before. :U Now to go off and try not to try to remember where that was. (Cause trying to remember never works ;) )
Quote from: Tapewolf on July 01, 2007, 06:24:53 PM
Anyway, remember Mab's line from 308: "Was Dan aware that succubi and incubi live for a couple of thousand years?"
It's also possible that she's lived for so long that she is unclear on the difference between 2000 and 20,000...
I remember that line well because it's in the song "What did Daniel think he was?" which has become an anthem for me and my friends. None of which read DMFA, but all of whom enjoy quirky offbeat music with amusing lyrical content.
Quote from: rabid_fox on July 01, 2007, 08:29:57 PM
I remember that line well because it's in the song "What did Daniel think he was?" which has become an anthem for me and my friends. None of which read DMFA, but all of whom enjoy quirky offbeat music with amusing lyrical content.
Funnily enough, I've been working on that song again lately to sort out the flat parts of the chorus so it was on the tip of my tongue. That and I'm working on the Disasters arc audio.
Magnifique. I'm slowly revealing the pink, flesh new skin under a slaughterous git of a blister that was on my foot from doing an 85 mile walk for charity last week. Your life is more productive than mine...and less revolting too.
To link this to Abel, I suspect that his feet blister easily.
.........
That was just cold. Seriously. How he knew Abel was scared of blood is beyond me. but I did want to kill Aniz for a sec. Not for the first time, too, but the other times, his hotness and awesome-ness made me forgive him. But God... even if it worked, I fail to see how that's gonna get Abel to go with him. Unless he faints.
Quote from: techmaster-glitch on June 30, 2007, 02:13:29 AM
Deliberately inciting a genuine paralizing fear in someone for no other reason to spite them and prove the attacker is better when there are other, gentler ways of incapacitating someone? The cut itself, you're right, is not particularly evil. Deliberately using someone's mortal fear against them? Evil.
I agree. I said something like this in one of the games once, and I think it applies here. Even the shallowest wounds can leave a longlasting scar.
Abel has had his fear of blood his whole life, and Devin mentioned it once "when they were kids". If Devin saw an episode once, I can't imagine how Aniz wouldn't have either. Little kids get cuts, scrapes, and skinned knees all the time. Abel would have freaked out evey time he pricked his finger. Of course Aniz would know about it.
Everyone seems to forget that Aniz can read minds, including memories - and I'm sure something as powerful as a fear of blood would be very easy to notice.
Yeah, that too.
8)
Quote from: Rafe on July 01, 2007, 10:27:00 PM
Everyone seems to forget that Aniz can read minds, including memories - and I'm sure something as powerful as a fear of blood would be very easy to notice.
:) Why would Aniz need to have to read minds? As Abel's father, he already knows that Abel will throw a heaving fit at the merest sight of blood ... And everyone knows what that looks like ...
(http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w68/kaskar_photos/abel95c.jpg)(http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w68/kaskar_photos/Blood.jpg)
:mowhappy Looks Bloody good ....
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on July 01, 2007, 04:03:22 PMHe's guessing, I think.
Reasonable extrapolation, but no real data either way, IMHO. :-/
Unless he's actually an incubus, in which case he may have already infiltrated Amber's dreams, thereby penetrating her normally aluminum-protected brain and thus discovering all of her secrets......
....Or something.
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on July 01, 2007, 03:00:43 PM
Quote from: MaskedRetriever on July 01, 2007, 01:43:27 PM
I do not mean to excuse Fa'lina for all the violence in the current curriculum, but rather I mean to imply that she can see as well as I can that this strategy won't work forever, as beings develop nonmagical defenses and strengths that far outstrip any demon race, changing the balance of power in a way qualitatively different from previous systems.
Yeah. The zerg rush is a hell of an equalizer. :-]
*cough*
There is a difference between a zergling rush and a zergling rush with rocket launchers.
If technology gets advanced enough it's going to be rocket launcher time, and that is what the Creature council is worried about.
::Smacks AndersW's idea in with the pile alongside sharks with lasers::
I got the idea and just had to post it to get it out of my head.
And I am just using it as an analogy. But the point is there.
An army of beings poses no threat to creatures, however an army of beings all armed with "Farming Equipment" with some "Mining Equipment" for backup is another matter altogether.
Quote from: AndersW on July 02, 2007, 05:27:41 PM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on July 01, 2007, 03:00:43 PM
Quote from: MaskedRetriever on July 01, 2007, 01:43:27 PM
I do not mean to excuse Fa'lina for all the violence in the current curriculum, but rather I mean to imply that she can see as well as I can that this strategy won't work forever, as beings develop nonmagical defenses and strengths that far outstrip any demon race, changing the balance of power in a way qualitatively different from previous systems.
Yeah. The zerg rush is a hell of an equalizer. :-]
*cough*
There is a difference between a zergling rush and a zergling rush with rocket launchers.
If technology gets advanced enough it's going to be rocket launcher time, and that is what the Creature council is worried about.
PRECISELY.
Preciesly why, in fact, Jyrras' secret lab is a massively IMPORTANT chess piece in this game. It's like, a freakin' teleporting queen or some s#!+.
Quote from: MaskedRetriever on July 02, 2007, 09:44:34 PM
It's like, a freakin' teleporting queen or some s#!+.
Ah, you've played chess against Ink, then?
8) And is Abel trying, by mind control, ( and maybe some forced amiability ), make Jyrras his Pawn? Abel could go far in the Creature community if he hung on tight to Mighty Mouse, and his potential power and his worth ... Emotional control can be tricky.
8) Yes, Abel may have seen Jyrras's full worth, as the voluntary " mind shield " was put in. He must have felt an understanding of what Jyrras had in potential worth, and maybe of the underground labratory. If he blurts out what he knows, he is a fool ... ( Also, it makes him the best informed on what is in the underground lab, and what everything has the potential of doing... ) Does this have the potential for a power play or what ?
Nah Abel's just hot for Jyrras :mowwink
You know, to be perfectly honest, bi characters like Jy kinda wierd me out. It's nothing against them, I just can't understand having feelings for girls (perfectly normal) and guys (somewhat abnormal) at the same time. That's all it is with me.
Quote from: Aleolus on July 03, 2007, 12:54:10 PM
You know, to be perfectly honest, bi characters like Jy kinda wierd me out. It's nothing against them, I just can't understand having feelings for girls (perfectly normal) and guys (somewhat abnormal) at the same time. That's all it is with me.
Actually, as a bi dude, I tend to go for a few weeks at a time preferring men over women or vice versa. Then again, maybe I'm just weird.
Quote from: Aleolus on July 03, 2007, 12:54:10 PM
You know, to be perfectly honest, bi characters like Jy kinda wierd me out. It's nothing against them, I just can't understand having feelings for girls (perfectly normal) and guys (somewhat abnormal) at the same time. That's all it is with me.
Ditto to that, except replace "somewhat abnormal" with "HOW!?" I honestly still can't see how girls can find men more attractive than other women. Does make it difficult to make
myself more attractive to them...
I have been told I'm attractive by five individuals. Two were my parents(biased), two were flamingly gay(don't be too offended if I go stand over here, 'k?) and one was a girl, at least, but a pathological liar, who eventually told me that roughly half the things she'd told me were blatant lies, but refused to explain which.
Eventually, I've finally been told by a friend who'se opinion I believe valid that I'm at least not horrid-looking. Granted, her first, second, third, and fifth reactions were "HOLY @#$@, THAT MAN HAS RED HAIR!"
Quote from: Aleolus on July 03, 2007, 12:54:10 PM
You know, to be perfectly honest, bi characters like Jy kinda wierd me out. It's nothing against them, I just can't understand having feelings for girls (perfectly normal) and guys (somewhat abnormal) at the same time. That's all it is with me.
Quote from: Illusionist
Actually, as a bi dude, I tend to go for a few weeks at a time preferring men over women or vice versa. Then again, maybe I'm just weird.
Err... Personal preference, anyone? Jeez. You don't have to like it to understand it, nor do you have to understand it to like it. It's just... that way.
Oh, and on another note, Raist... You ought to ask someone then. Me, I had no clue what'd make me attractive to either me neither, until I started trying to work it out.
As for Jyrras being a pawn to anyone, I think that if someone hasn't found out how easily the little thing can be used, then they soon will, whether directed by the Creature Council or not. And Jy won't have much to put up against it without aid. Even the most intelligent people can still act all according to emotion. And when they do... >:3
Quote from: Stygian on July 03, 2007, 05:35:39 PM
Oh, and on another note, Raist... You ought to ask someone then. Me, I had no clue what'd make me attractive to either me neither, until I started trying to work it out.
OK, working this out... Well, for starters, boobs. It goes downhill from there.
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on July 02, 2007, 09:52:35 PM
Quote from: MaskedRetriever on July 02, 2007, 09:44:34 PM
It's like, a freakin' teleporting queen or some s#!+.
Ah, you've played chess against Ink, then?
I always prefer playing white, contrary to what people would think...
Abel is no hand of the Creature Council, mind you. He himself is liable to be just another pawn.
Consider another reason why Fa'lina would want to send him to tutor Dan.
Also, yes. People have this innate tendency to always choose the sexier mate. Only a tendency, though.
Of course. Playing white lets you play with their mind, by making them wonder what you're up to...
And we're back at Jyrras and Abel...
By the way, Raist... [coughs] Boobs do not make up for some things. In fact, if there's something wrong or 'not so good' with them, they could be something entirely detrimental to looks. And there are guys out there who are drop-dead gorgeous, in spite of a thankful complete lack of boobs. Really. That's just a male psychological tendency that needs to be worked out and left in childhood; the fixation on certain features, rather than the whole.
I did mention that it went downhill from there. For example, I didn't bother mentioning that for me to be attractive to myself, my face would have to be smaller, more delicate, and more rounded, with a nose that doesn't resemble an airplane wing and a chin that couldn't be used for a boat anchor. My arms and hands would have to be less muscular and veiny, my chest would have to be smooth and rounded, and I would have to be about 6 inches shorter if I were to be attractive to myself.
Also, I'm aware that the wrong boobs can look terrible. Especially too big. If they're small, then you can usually pretty them up with a nice shirt.
...I happen to use a female avatar in most games I play, and I spend quite some time prettying her up.
You must be one of those REALLY straight people. :B
Me, I don't understand monosexuality for the life of me. You all have the same number of limbs, jeez.
GETTING... uh, ever so SLIGHTLY back towards the topic, Jyrras is really really important, and Fa'lina probably knows it.
Abel may or may not, but what really fascinates me is how effective Jyrras has been at poking through that grouchykitty armor. He has a whole school-load of Cubi actively avoiding him, has managed to help out around Lost Lake repeatedly without anyone liking him much, and yet when it comes to Jyrras he's adoribly flustered over trying to make sure Jyrras doesn't "get too close" to him more often than not.
I think Fa'lina set them up >:3
But in bigger news..Its a plain the Aniz setted for his spawn..Learn how to deal and dish out pain
Is it just me, or has the last abel comics gone by very slowly?
Anyways, I'd be freaked out too if I got a cut like that. Blood everywere, urgh.
:mowmeep Will Abel do the final indignity onto Aniz ?
(http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w68/kaskar_photos/625b.jpg)
8) ( Just was too tempted to put that mood clip in ... )
My question is what Aniz would do if Abel did respond in that fashion. Would he respond with a statement such as "Unusual counter-attack, but not very effective" or would he respond with some sort of monsoon projectile vomit magic spell and come up with a line such as "See how much more effective this is"
Quote from: Naldru on July 04, 2007, 11:45:17 AM
My question is what Aniz would do if Abel did respond in that fashion. Would he respond with a statement such as "Unusual counter-attack, but not very effective" or would he respond with some sort of monsoon projectile vomit magic spell and come up with a line such as "See how much more effective this is"
"With magic, you can do THIS!"
I wouldn't put it below Aniz to be emotion jamming Abel to make him panic even more.
Also, Aniz directly referred to Abel as his son.
Not really, because he's sure not doing anything close to what Abel did to Dan.
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on July 09, 2007, 11:33:03 AM
Not really, because he's sure not doing anything close to what Abel did to Dan.
Refresh my memory, what did he do besides the pseudo-retconned bat to the head?
Well, besides knocking him unconscious with the baseball bat, he did make a few threats.
There is the following quote from Abel in frame 509
"I'm pretending I'm not two seconds away from smashing the stupid out of your skull?"
http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_509.php
In frame 518, Abel ripped the robe provided by Wildy, placing Dan in mortal danger from Wildy.
http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_518.php
http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_519.php
http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_582.php
Abel reacts badly about comments about his clothing designs
http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_523.php
Abel spilled paint over Dan in 548
http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_548.php
Quote from: Caswin on July 09, 2007, 01:58:36 PM
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on July 09, 2007, 11:33:03 AM
Not really, because he's sure not doing anything close to what Abel did to Dan.
Refresh my memory, what did he do besides the pseudo-retconned bat to the head?
I'm not sure what that has to do with emotion jamming... Nor anything of Naldru's
Aniz may not be emotion jamming at the same power that Abel was jamming Dan at. But it doesn't need to be at the same power to cause the reaction Aniz wants. In fact using less power might even allow the emotion jamming to go unnoticed.
Dan had already been showing sensitivity to the thoughts of others when Abel emotion jammed him. That's why he needed the mind shieild.
In Abel's story, Abel hasn't demonstrated the same symptoms of headaches in picking up other's thoughts. Until Abel is better at picking up thoughts, I'm not sure that Aniz could emotion jam him. Remember that Abel couldn't emotion jam Jyrras because Jyrras couldn't read minds.
With regard to the previous post, I was responding to the question about how Abel had acted towards Dan. (At least that was how I interpreted it.) Cubi and non-violence don't seem to go together.
Deleted 'cause it got too long winded and boring ...
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on July 09, 2007, 05:19:33 PM
Quote from: Caswin on July 09, 2007, 01:58:36 PM
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on July 09, 2007, 11:33:03 AM
Not really, because he's sure not doing anything close to what Abel did to Dan.
Refresh my memory, what did he do besides the pseudo-retconned bat to the head?
I'm not sure what that has to do with emotion jamming... Nor anything of Naldru's
Ah, I didn't catch that that was what you were talking about - sounded like bad things in general.
I'll have to say Aniz is evil (at the risk of being corrected X.x)
Very smart. But evil.
I got a wound on my head over my forehead once. Crap, they bleed like crazzzyyyy...
That guy may get more than blood on his shirt soon XD