Well, that would explain why she was so obsequious...
...good job, Amber! Looks like I was wrong about the out-of-character behavior.
Also, what information was she trying to glean? Did she want to figure out who SAIA had sent back with Dan? Wouldn't that imply that she is still in contact with SAIA? That wouldn't make sense, since she decided not to tell the academy about Dan...
...Maybe she just wanted to find out how Dan was coping with the revelations, and she hadn't expected Aaryanna to meet up with them. After all, had Kria not been rampaging the countryside, they would have never found Aary. And then had Aary not heard about the special incantation by Dee, she would never have found Dan.
Kria knows Abel, too.
Part of this is a bit problematic, though. Had Dee not left SAIA, she wouldn't have had Aaryanna looking for her, and because she wasn't looking for her, she wouldn't have been looking for Dan, which would mean that Dee had to plan to get attacked (or is that `attacked'), get knocked up and have Dan as part of some master plan.
But then why would she have ``hoped that Fa'Lina...''
He had everything planned, I was not expecting that.
(Brain snaps)
Oh... Well, that was weird. Didn't see that one coming... It was just a scheme so Destinia could see her daughter?
Neither was anyone, I expect. He seemed such a buffoon... now, I see how he maintains his reign; through insane managerial skills.
And they said something cats having nine lives...
How very...planned this seems now. I'm gonna have to figure this out more...
:U Biggs stole my belt wearing style!
Quote from: superluser on December 17, 2006, 11:41:29 PM
Looks like I was wrong about the out-of-character behavior.
What out-of-character behavior? I didn't see any out-of-character behavior.
But yes, that was a very surprising and amusing turn of events. Especially on Biggs side. Why would he want to have his sister burn down part of of his city? :erk
Quote from: Dard on December 17, 2006, 11:56:24 PM
But yes, that was a very surprising and amusing turn of events. Especially on Biggs side. Why would he want to have his sister burn down part of of his city? :erk
Insurance money, no doubt. He wouldn't be the Twink leader if he didn't know anything about manipulating situations to make massive amounts of money.
Considering he actually owns the territories and somehow has insurance on them, of course.
Holy crap, Biggs is smart and not-so-evil? Since when? I haven't seen plot twists like this since the time a plot device was replaced with a corkscrew...
Quote from: Dard on December 17, 2006, 11:56:24 PMWhat out-of-character behavior? I didn't see any out-of-character behavior.
The obsequious, sycophantic behavior on Dee's part. She's 7000 years old and far more powerful than Biggs. Why was she not at least surly? Most lieutenants are.
This settles it. Except...does that mean that Amber was lying to us in Biggs' cast page?
Quote from: Dard on December 17, 2006, 11:56:24 PMBut yes, that was a very surprising and amusing turn of events. Especially on Biggs side. Why would he want to have his sister burn down part of of his city?
Want? No. Expect, and be prepared to deal with? Probably.
Nice. So it was all just a scheme to let family members have some time alone, on both sides. Well played, Amber. :)
Quote from: HeroZero on December 18, 2006, 12:00:30 AM
Quote from: Dard on December 17, 2006, 11:56:24 PM
But yes, that was a very surprising and amusing turn of events. Especially on Biggs side. Why would he want to have his sister burn down part of of his city? :erk
Insurance money, no doubt. He wouldn't be the Twink leader if he didn't know anything about manipulating situations to make massive amounts of money.
Considering he actually owns the territories and somehow has insurance on them, of course.
Biggs used the whole encounter to amplify the appearance of the Twinks as a gang of fools.
"Accidentially" causing fires in the city just plays into his hands!
That's been the deal all along! He's a genius! A DAMNED GENIUS!!
:mwaha
:U biggs ? .. plan ? :U
.. well played .. very well played :mowhappy
I'm going to go stand over there with the other gasp faced people now :3
Sorry Biggs is a fool.
He might be smart but he isn't a match for a truly smart being.
Best way I know to destroy a person is to tell them they are smarter than everyone else. Then just let them implode.
I learned that from Gulf War #1.
I was just reading the back issues.
Now, looking back at it I am surprised Destania didn't break out in laughter by his comment "No... Sorry Dee. It's still pretty hot."
That or throttle him.
PS: I know I'm probably the only one on this whole list, but I want Destania's glasses back!
Now we know why he's the Twink's leader. :mowwink
And I loved Dest in glasses. Very sharp! :kittycool
Quote from: superluser on December 18, 2006, 12:04:52 AM
Quote from: Dard on December 17, 2006, 11:56:24 PMWhat out-of-character behavior? I didn't see any out-of-character behavior.
The obsequious, sycophantic behavior on Dee's part. She's 7000 years old and far more powerful than Biggs. Why was she not at least surly? Most lieutenants are.
My reply: She was just being professional. I didn't see anything obsequious besides what I would expect from a secretary. And that's her job, isn't it? And why not be a secretary? It's not that bad a job and can be a quite important position, as can be seen.
Grrr, I had to look up three words in the dictionary in order to reply this.
As with everybody: :erk :erk :erk :erk :erk :erk
That also explains the smoke...
And it also seems that Biggs was prepared for the worst a.k.a., his sister. We shall see how this little battle of sibling rivalry will end.
*pentawolf hrmms* "Why is it that I get the feeling there should be twisting..?"
"Maybe its the sandwhich you ate..."
"Bah! hogwa- urk!" *flees to bathroom!*
*aurissa laughs manicly* "Serves you right for last week!"
OK. So to rephrase the stupidity that I had up above, here's the speculation:
Destania wants to have a child (for some purpose that cannot be explained to SAIA).
Destania starts teaching people about the ``special incantation.'' One of them is a pre-succubus-powered Aaryanna, who Destania brainwashes into thinking is true. Dee also convinces her that the old mansion is a good place for a new succubus to set up shop.
Dee talks to Abel about her plans, and Abel says that he was once taught by a Demon-Mare that can go around eating people without arousing suspicion. Dee tells Kria to start on a rampage in about 25 years.
Destania leaves the academy under pretense of an `assignment.' She leaves and gets `attacked.' Dee then goes to Edward, who conveniently has another child who can be confused with a new one, and seduces him. Dan is born.
Dee has Biggs steal the mallet and Dan comes to steal it. Since Dan must be in drag in order to enter, Dan goes in drag.
(This part, I dunno. Maybe it was supposed to be Alexsi the first time)
Kria starts eating people. Dan goes on the quest to find the source of the evil, and runs into Aary, who enrolls Dan into the SAIA academy unwillingly. (As to how Merlitz knew to use the special incantation, maybe it was a trick that Destania told Dan, and Dan told Merlitz)
Dee has Biggs kidnap Alexsi so that she can check on Dan's progress. Dee can't tell Dan's progress because, as stated before, Dan is the Kwisatz Haderach.
Why Dee would want Dan to go to SAIA, but not have SAIA know about Dan until then is a bit confusing, though.
P.S. One more vote for the glasses!
Im getting ready for the plot twist dance
Merlitz didn't know any incantation.. it was merely luck that whatever he spouted was "important". I'm pretty sure that's how it went...
That may be true, but you can't tell when there's factors involved such as the subconscious and all that.
Oh my, someone used the word 'obsequious'! *marks off an entry on clipboard*
So I wonder how long this particular part of the story has been in Amber's head?
Like when was it first thought of? I'm guessing about 2 years ago. :)
Well done. Applauds. i have not bee so surprised but a twist in a comic in a long time!
My first thought: What...the...heck!? :erk
My second thought: A fabulous twist! Very well-played indeed. Goes to show that the comic's story is definitely well-thought out in advance. I'd have to say, Biggs doesn't seem to be as big an idgit as one would think (with Destania there at least...).
My third thought: Let's all do the twist! :3
I get the feeling that Biggs is using the "I'm an idoit so don't take me serously" ploy when he has more information and better tactical skills than his foes.
It's a great tactical manouver when you really think about it and it would explain alot of things. But the one thing that I do not understand is Dee working for Biggs and by the way they were chatting they are great friends.
Now for the meat of my post.
I wonder how Biggs woul do in a chess tourniment? With his tactical skills and his nack for planning it could be said that with his ability to get seemingly random occurances and find a pattern in them would make him a dangerous foe to deal with.
Also I think Dee just wanted to have a chat with Alexsi and find out how the others were doing and what was going on.
Biggs' cast page could still be true about not realizing about Dan. Destania probalby cleared that up for him ahead of time though :)
OAs amusing as this is, I'm a little worried about htis plotline becoming like one of M Night Shaymalan's bad movies, where there wre twists for the sake of twists, that just overly confuse all of the readers/viewers. Not to say I'm not enjoying it, but the more twists, the harder to give audience the satisfaction of a resolution.
There's nothing saying that Destania was working for him when he stole the hammer. He took it for his own reasons, by the looks of it. If it was really about Destania at that point then she would've been there, right? >:3
Biggs + the level of intelligence required for planning something successful = Does not compute. I think I'm going to need some time alone in my room to let my brain recuperate.
I hate it when I underestimate people... it throws my brain out of whack. (He's a pretty good actor, no?)
"bad brain bad brain. " Recess II (if you recognizes who that is and can correct my spelling of the name...i don't know what to say) either way one of the story's is coming to and interesting close. now we'll see if Dan can fix the mess he made with Jy-Jy.
Dwah??
Certianly explains why Dee almost seemed to be laughing when trying to restrain 'Lex.
The more pain will come along the journay home :U
:O
I have nothing coherent to add. That's just.. so unexpected.
Quote from: Tapewolf on December 18, 2006, 04:30:37 AMThat's just.. so unexpected.
I don't disagree, but you do realize that it really shouldn't have been.
Well, who didnt see THAT coming up?... :mowdizzy
I bet Biggs has taken advice from Fa'Lina:
The best way to be an evil mastermind (and not be defeated) is to not fall into an obviously well known clichee (http://mitglied.lycos.de/colorbysnap/gendo.jpeg) character :mowninja.
The only thing worse than an evil ruler is an intelligent evil ruler. One that makes a big show of incompetence and most heroes would be quietly confident they can outwit, when instead of dunking them oh-so-slowly in the shark tank they just shoot them in the head.
(as Snap posted just before me)
I'm not sure the meaning of 'Kwisatz Haderach' in the context superluser uses it, looked up its meaning but still not sure.
He's not a short cut or someone who can be in many places at once, highly powered? probably not, a bridge between species? perhaps as a child of Adventurer and Cubi, but not the first apparently.
*does the plot twist* :3
Quote from: Snap on December 18, 2006, 06:07:59 AM
Well, who didnt see THAT coming up?... :mowdizzy
I honestly thought he was Destania's puppet, but obviously he's a very good actor.
Now I'm trying to get my head around the implications of Destania deluding Alexsi into believing it was a mistake (Destania orchestrating the kidnapping to see her daughter was actually one of my earlier theories). And what on earth has become of Edward?
Quote from: Zedd on December 18, 2006, 06:17:21 AM
*does the plot twist* :3
I
so could get used to this tune...
Quote from: Snap
Well, who nobody didnt see saw THAT coming up ?... !
Sorry, fixed that :B.
I'm stumped here hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Biggs very sly and intelligent something is out of whack here. It's either Dess is finding out more info on the Dan and his powers what is she plotting here. I got two theories.
1. Destina is using the information on Dan for Fa'lina to make sure he is ready to join the fold in Saia Academy as a Lt. or General for her army.
2. Destina is using Dan for her own purposes which I only see with the Dragons anytime in the future to prevent a war or start one.
That's all I have right now.
My respect for Biggs has just increased twelvefold. Bravo, man, bravo! He is the ultimate ruler: appearing to be a buffoon, but secretly a mastermind. And as for the plot twist, such is only to be expected of our Amber.
*Charline smirks* Ah, I'm getting a little more info about who is pulling the strings for what ends. Destania had to have something in mind, since she knew Dan and Alexsi's whereabouts for all this time, yet never visited them when it would have been easy enough to do so in another form.
Pyro's appearance, Abel at Lost Lake, Jyrras' sudden fascination with cubi males, and the creature council's worry about Jy-snack's technology, plus Kria's long-term surveillance.
Indeed, I see a carefully worked web of intrigue being pulled taught. The only question remaining is who is ultimately the spider in the shadows plucking at the threads.
*Charles :rolleyes * Oh Charline, you're just being a paranoid conspiracy theorist! There's no hidden plot! It's all... *Charles takes an unexpected step and gets in front of Charline just as... fwip fwip... Charles has been sniped! It was meant for her!* :knifed
*Charline :eek * I told you! *flees!*
Hmmm... have we ever been told what Destania eats?
Quote from: Stig Hemmer on December 18, 2006, 09:15:01 AM
Hmmm... have we ever been told what Destania eats?
Not specifically, but she'll be good with pain owing to her Cyra Clan heritage. She ran the pain & terror department at SAIA, so I'd imagine she's pretty good at fear as well.
Quote from: Alondro on December 18, 2006, 09:01:27 AM
... yet never visited them when it would have been easy enough to do so in another form.
... Are you sure? :-)
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on December 18, 2006, 09:24:04 AM
Quote from: Alondro on December 18, 2006, 09:01:27 AM
... yet never visited them when it would have been easy enough to do so in another form.
... Are you sure? :-)
*Charline peeks from her heavily shielded fortress, hiding from the Conspiracy that's out to get her* I was going to mention that she might have, but since we have no idea what form she took, it could have been anyone who was ever in the comic at Lost Lake. Plus, the mind-reading ability would mean that the person would appear an act completely in character, thus making it impossible to tell who Destania was imitating... if she in fact ever did. Thus, speccing on that point is useless. :3 *sniper fire bounces off the shielding close by her head!* Ack! They're here! :U *fires back wildly* eat lead slackers! :gun1
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ACTING, thank you!
So yeah, Biggs is much more clever and calculating than he lets on. I gotta wonder what words he'll have for Wildy once she catches up to him.
.. other than "ow!", "please!" and "mercy, I beg of you!" ?
But now Biggs is a major power player with is acting dumb ruse. I have a feeling this and many things to come from the council and i think Biggs is part of that. Who knows what is he capable of doing to anybody.
Quote from: Dard on December 18, 2006, 12:25:01 AM
Quote from: superluser on December 18, 2006, 12:04:52 AM
The obsequious, sycophantic behavior on Dee's part. She's 7000 years old and far more powerful than Biggs. Why was she not at least surly? Most lieutenants are.
Grrr, I had to look up three words in the dictionary in order to reply this.
Good,
somebody needs to keep you intellectually simulated, and not just by comic plot twists. :mowwink
Quote from: AmigaDragon on December 18, 2006, 01:06:03 PM
Good, somebody needs to keep you intellectually simulated, and not just by comic plot twists. :mowwink
Does that mean we can play buzzword bingo? :-)
Quote from: MT Hazard on December 18, 2006, 06:12:49 AMI'm not sure the meaning of 'Kwisatz Haderach' in the context superluser uses it, looked up its meaning but still not sure.
In the Dune series, the Bene Gesserit can see into the future, but there is a place that they cannot look--the place where only the one called the Kwisatz Haderach may go. The Kwisatz Haderach has no blind spots in prescience.
Now, we know that the people at SAIA didn't know that Dan existed, and that they had some trouble predicting the future regarding him. This can only mean that Dan is the Kwisatz Haderach, and that Dan's future is unknowable to them.
Also, I have some sneaking suspicions:
1.) Destania may not be working for Biggs at all; they may just be acquaintances.
2.) If Biggs isn't really an idiot, that would have to mean that he knew that Dan-as-Miss-Cloud was a man.
3.) If Biggs is an idiot, the whole Gerald Ford act is probably Destania's doing.
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on December 18, 2006, 01:17:20 PMDoes that mean we can play buzzword bingo? :-)
No, it means that we can play perspicacity bingo. I don't think I know enough buzzwords.
(There was a tourist at a rock; a dingo ate her baby. D-I-N-G-O)
Trailer trash definitions:
Obsequious: a snooty obscene person.
sychophantic: When you're tired of the clicking sound your electric fan keeps making.
prescience: The not-quite experiments yer kids do with magnifying glasses, bugs, and the sun.
Yee-haw! :B
I can understand him faking being a buffoon. What I don't understand is how calmly he's taking the approach of Wildy. In fifteen minutes she's going to beat the crud out of him, then stuff the crud back in so she can beat it out a second time. That seems like a high price to pay. Unless Wildy is faking it also, which would be the ultimate twist but one that would be hard to accept.
Considering that he was ready for Alexi (okay, he thought it would be Dan, but a girl with a hammer all the same), it seems like it would be easy enough for him to be ready for something his size.
...Maybe his mom is there. :B
Quote from: Regal on December 18, 2006, 03:39:34 PM
What I don't understand is how calmly he's taking the approach of Wildy. In fifteen minutes she's going to beat the crud out of him, then stuff the crud back in so she can beat it out a second time.
Who said she's not just taking it out on his territory so far? Maybe she's taking a sceneic route with her destruction as warm-up before getting around to him (like a boulder gaining momentum rolling down the hill).
We might want to remember that Biggs' being competent on this one occasion does not necessarily mean that he is an all-powerful, super-intelligent mastermind. Although, who knows...
Quote from: superluser on December 18, 2006, 02:38:41 PM
In the Dune series, the Bene Gesserit can see into the future, but there is a place that they cannot look--the place where only the one called the Kwisatz Haderach may go. The Kwisatz Haderach has no blind spots in prescience.
You have no idea how much I am having to restrain myself from starting a debate with you about this point (i.e. I disagree with your analysis of the Bene Gesserit and the Kwisatz Haderach), but it's really not appropriate for this topic.
Any speculation aside, I was (like everyone else) totally surprised! It's so nice when you can't see where the story is going to go! :3 I hope Wildy leaves enough of Biggs for a nice funeral.
Bravo, dearest Amber.
You've piqued my interest in the matter, I must say. Both of them, and their plans are of significant interest to me. Me, of all people, as you say.
* The fox-doctor smirks.
...and I guess that's about the time one should start worrying. Still, I fail to see why Biggs should play any greater part in the good doctor's plans. Destania is all good and well, but Biggs is simply one whose power is... well, let's say unpredictable.
Kwisatz Haderach is originally a hebrew word, which means "jump of the path", and implies the ability to travel instantaneously from one place or point to another. It implies many other things too, and has many connections to short cuts and "jumps" made by holy men from and to different locations in accounts of history. In Dune, it is the name for the male counterpart to the Bene Gesserit Matres, a man whose power to see and "wierd" space-time and probability is even greater than their own, or rather, absolute.
Also, is it just me, or does everything Ink say become something original?
I recently finished watching most of the Gargoyles series. Xanatos is one of my favorite villains ever - among other things, for his sheer mastermindery and foresight. I like that in a villain.
Well, a hero, too, but not many of them display that kind of ability. Except maybe Question.
Anyway, Biggs gets a seat next to Emperor Palpatine and the bad guy from Speed.
Quote from: Caswin on December 18, 2006, 07:00:20 PM
I recently finished watching most of the Gargoyles series. Xanatos is one of my favorite villains ever - among other things, for his sheer mastermindery and foresight. I like that in a villain.
Well, a hero, too, but not many of them display that kind of ability. Except maybe Question.
Anyway, Biggs gets a seat next to Emperor Palpatine and the bad guy from Speed.
That and he was so awesome that Disney actually let him cuss. D: ....Well, at least once.
Ah, now I get it. Destania wanted to catch up with her daughter, so convinced her boss to kidnap her and set the whole thing up! All I wonder now is, what method did Destania use to "convince" Biggs to do it? :mwaha :erk :mwaha
I did not have the time to read every post but I bet Biggs stole the hammer, hoping Alexi would come, and Desti could talk to her. (When they first went, the saw Dans mother, remember? She WAS at Twink Territories at that time). When Dan came in drag, he then thought up the whole 'Kidnap Dan and 'accedently' kidnap Alexi because Dan in drag was hawt' plot to AGAIN try and get Alexi and Desti together.
Quote from: FireKatKid on December 18, 2006, 07:28:15 PM
Quote from: Caswin on December 18, 2006, 07:00:20 PM
I recently finished watching most of the Gargoyles series. Xanatos is one of my favorite villains ever - among other things, for his sheer mastermindery and foresight. I like that in a villain.
Well, a hero, too, but not many of them display that kind of ability. Except maybe Question.
Anyway, Biggs gets a seat next to Emperor Palpatine and the bad guy from Speed.
That and he was so awesome that Disney actually let him cuss. D: ....Well, at least once.
Er... when? "Pay a man enough money and he'll walk barefoot into Hell"? It's not swearing if you're actually referring to the place.
Not that I'm still not surprised he got away with it.
Quote from: Caswin on December 18, 2006, 09:41:49 PM
Quote from: FireKatKid on December 18, 2006, 07:28:15 PM
Quote from: Caswin on December 18, 2006, 07:00:20 PM
I recently finished watching most of the Gargoyles series. Xanatos is one of my favorite villains ever - among other things, for his sheer mastermindery and foresight. I like that in a villain.
Well, a hero, too, but not many of them display that kind of ability. Except maybe Question.
Anyway, Biggs gets a seat next to Emperor Palpatine and the bad guy from Speed.
That and he was so awesome that Disney actually let him cuss. D: ....Well, at least once.
Er... when? "Pay a man enough money and he'll walk barefoot into Hell"? It's not swearing if you're actually referring to the place.
Not that I'm still not surprised he got away with it.
To Disney, it is cussing. They ARE PG-PC.
Ace: Great the theories are out again. Why am I not surprised? - -;
Doraion: Uhhh, guess there is someone trying to take Charline out for her theory...wait where is Chris? *Doraion looks around but I have gone missing.* Aye, he did a vanishing act again.
Quote from: FireKatKid on December 18, 2006, 09:43:34 PM
Quote from: Caswin on December 18, 2006, 09:41:49 PM
Quote from: FireKatKid on December 18, 2006, 07:28:15 PM
Quote from: Caswin on December 18, 2006, 07:00:20 PM
I recently finished watching most of the Gargoyles series. Xanatos is one of my favorite villains ever - among other things, for his sheer mastermindery and foresight. I like that in a villain.
Well, a hero, too, but not many of them display that kind of ability. Except maybe Question.
Anyway, Biggs gets a seat next to Emperor Palpatine and the bad guy from Speed.
That and he was so awesome that Disney actually let him cuss. D: ....Well, at least once.
Er... when? "Pay a man enough money and he'll walk barefoot into Hell"? It's not swearing if you're actually referring to the place.
Not that I'm still not surprised he got away with it.
To Disney, it is cussing. They ARE PG-PC.
This brings to mind the hilarity of DBZ: In A Nutshell 2...
"Hercule/Mr. Satan" I better get outa here or my name isn't Hercule. Or is it Mr. Satan, or Mr. Satan, or whatever the hell it is... heh heh... I said hell.
"Goku" Oh no! Now we're gonna get banned outa Cartoon Network! Great. Now our ratings have gone down all because of that stupid swear word from Mr. Sat- I mean, Hercule.
*Chi-chi* Oooo! His name is Mr. SATAN! Ohhh, that's against my religious beliefs! Now we have to destroy the world... Ha-ha-ha!
*BWECKKKK!!*
And so the world was destroyed by anal-retentive mothers everywhere. The end.
Quote from: Alondro on December 18, 2006, 11:48:22 PMAnd so the world was destroyed by anal-retentive mothers everywhere. The end.
No, Frank Zappa destroyed those mothers:
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My Biggs fangirl-rating has just gone through the roof.
Quote from: superluser on December 18, 2006, 02:38:41 PM
In the Dune series, the Bene Gesserit can see into the future, but there is a place that they cannot look--the place where only the one called the Kwisatz Haderach may go. The Kwisatz Haderach has no blind spots in prescience.
Uh, no.
The Bene Gesserit Reverend Mothers can only view the
past, and only then through the experiences of either their own female ancestors (Other Memories) or those of other Reverend Mothers they have Shared with. The place the Bene Gesserit cannot see/go is the future. They
do have a host of other mnemonic, analytic, and physical abilities that together can make them
appear to be able to see the future, and read minds.
The Kwisatz Haderach can see the future possibilities, but the more it watches, the less it decides. Also, prescience may be occluded by another prescient power, such as a Guild Navigator or a no-field effect (no-ship, no-chamber, etc.)
Quote from: Artanis on December 19, 2006, 12:58:40 AMThe Bene Gesserit Reverend Mothers can only view the past
I could have sworn that they could see the future, too. Maybe I was confusing them with the Guild Navigators. They do collaborate frequently.
Quote from: Artanis on December 19, 2006, 12:58:40 AMThe Kwisatz Haderach can see the future possibilities, but the more it watches, the less it decides. Also, prescience may be occluded by another prescient power, such as a Guild Navigator or a no-field effect (no-ship, no-chamber, etc.)
Thank you. That's what I was trying to say. The `cubi cannot see Dan or his future because he is possessed of a prescient power.
But as I see it Dee is quite the actress when the chips are down. Biggs he's gotten so cool on this but now I don't trust him. I will wait and see on this matter on which side he will be on when this whole thing with the dragons and all.
I just think that Biggs needs to see Windy for some reason and if he asked her to come she wouldn't so he had to make her want to come.
Everything else was just a sideshow.
Quote from: superluser on December 19, 2006, 01:39:42 AM
Thank you. That's what I was trying to say. The `cubi cannot see Dan or his future because he is possessed of a prescient power.
Actually, he doesn't have to be protected by a prescient power, his own or another's,... I missed one more method of occlusion: the Siona gene marker prevents prescience from predicting a person's actions. That person could walk down a sandy beach, and the power would see only footprints appearing on the sand.
Also, the occlusion from a Guild Navigator is an area effect. So anyone say, conversing with a navigator, cannot be seen by prescience.
Quote from: Artanis on December 19, 2006, 06:03:55 PMAlso, the occlusion from a Guild Navigator is an area effect. So anyone say, conversing with a navigator, cannot be seen by prescience.
Well, since Dan hasn't been in close proximity to any one thing for 25 years, we can probably assume that it's Dan, not a Guild Navigator.
I hate to have to read all through these posts for this answer, but what does the Spacing Guild have to do with Dan and DMFA?
Quote from: Azlan on December 19, 2006, 11:46:09 PM
I hate to have to read all through these posts for this answer, but what does the Spacing Guild have to do with Dan and DMFA?
I dont know...Maybe someone should stay away from your stash Azzy and maybe they will make more sence...
Quote from: Zedd on December 19, 2006, 11:50:15 PM
Quote from: Azlan on December 19, 2006, 11:46:09 PM
I hate to have to read all through these posts for this answer, but what does the Spacing Guild have to do with Dan and DMFA?
I dont know...Maybe someone should stay away from your stash Azzy and maybe they will make more sence...
The Spacing Guild, not the Spaced Guild... duuuuude!
The Guild of Navigators, a.k.a. The Spacing Guild... it's just when I see mention of guild navigators and Dan, I wonder what relevance this has.
Quote from: Azlan on December 19, 2006, 11:54:02 PM
Quote from: Zedd on December 19, 2006, 11:50:15 PM
Quote from: Azlan on December 19, 2006, 11:46:09 PM
I hate to have to read all through these posts for this answer, but what does the Spacing Guild have to do with Dan and DMFA?
I dont know...Maybe someone should stay away from your stash Azzy and maybe they will make more sence...
The Spacing Guild, not the Spaced Guild... duuuuude!
The Guild of Navigators, a.k.a. The Spacing Guild... it's just when I see mention of guild navigators and Dan, I wonder what relevance this has.
Good point and I say you would look great in leather as well...Think of that next time with shopping with Neni...
Quote from: Azlan on December 19, 2006, 11:46:09 PMI hate to have to read all through these posts for this answer, but what does the Spacing Guild have to do with Dan and DMFA?
The fact that the `cubi at SAIA couldn't see Dan. It proves he's the Kwisatz Haderach!
Muad Dan!
^^
Quote from: Azlan on December 19, 2006, 11:46:09 PM
I hate to have to read all through these posts for this answer, but what does the Spacing Guild have to do with Dan and DMFA?
That's a good question.
Hmm...
Quote from: MaskedRetriever on December 20, 2006, 12:10:39 AM
Muad'Dan!
^^
Join forces with the twinks and remove the horrible Dragonnen from the planet?
Alexi of the Hammer? Pyroduckan Idaho?
Duke Edward Ti'fiona has even been captured already! Will he lose his life attempting to kill the Baron Dragonnen?
It seems to fit more and more as I think about it! Alexi and Pyro are falling in love even!
>:3
Quote from: Artanis on December 20, 2006, 05:15:29 PMDuke Edward Ti'fiona has even been captured already! Will he lose his life attempting to kill the Baron Dragonnen?
Dr. Ink: Remember the tooth! The tooth!
I see...
I blame ninjas, I always blame ninjas.
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Who knows what will happens next. I will wait and see the end results of this arc and i have a feeling that DMFA will not be the same after this story is said and done.