Why? Why did Devin have to stand up? 'A'
I guess it isn't a warp-aci then.
[edit note] If you people dont add dates/titles to them, I'm gonna start just deleting them in favor of those which do...
NOOOOO DEVIN D:
How many people have to die in one day...? Poor Abel.
(But maybe he'll survive...ihopeihopeihope?)
First reply get. :3
Holy *bleep*! O_______o
(Thread needs a date, though...)
Edit for better worth-per-post ratio: Merry Christmas, Abel.
And sheesh, that was unexpected... poor Devin and Xander, though :(
The first rule of not being seen is not to stand up.
Quote from: Kasarn on December 22, 2006, 09:39:10 PMThe first rule of not being seen is not to stand up.
Mr. Rewanz has learnt the value of not being seen. However he has chosen a very obvious piece of cover. :P
Anyways, this means that Devin will not be able to save Abel from Glory.
Quote from: superluser on December 22, 2006, 09:41:17 PM
Quote from: Kasarn on December 22, 2006, 09:39:10 PMThe first rule of not being seen is not to stand up.
Unfortunately, Abel has chosen a very poor hiding place :P
Anyways, this means that Devin will not be able to save Abel from Glory.
All I can say at this moment is F$&%! F$&%! F$&%! F$&%!
That right there has to be a critical hit. Incredible composition though in the artwork...it really conveyed the seriousness of the situation yet it's not even graphic too.
Extremely powerful imagery here.
-Seth
Quote from: superluser on December 22, 2006, 09:41:17 PM
Anyways, this means that Devin will not be able to save Abel from Glory.
At this rate, Glory might just believe that Abel is one of the good guys, assuming that he'll be kneeling and sobbing next to Devin's fallen form at the end of the battle... and assuming that anybody except for Abel and the attackers survives this...
Such is the fate of an adventurer unprepared. One must expect anything and everything. Glory will most likely return, offering a cold bit of consoling after vanquishing the damn sniper.
Well, it is entirely possible that either Devin or Xander will survive still. Unless one of them is dead already, then I donno.
I would think that the magic Glory uses since she has to be quite powerful would be able to heal people that are not dead. So maybe one of them will still make it :)
Though Abel's headwings may be a bad thing to an experianced person like Glory. But then again we know little about her. She may not hate Cubi. :)
Quote from: Manawolf on December 22, 2006, 09:45:51 PM
Such is the fate of an adventurer unprepared. One must expect anything and everything. Glory will most likely return, offering a cold bit of consoling after vanquishing the damn sniper.
If Glory doesn't try to attack Abel herself. Although it might be a good sign that Devin didn't recognize that Abel is a 'cubi.
Hmm...If Devin's dead, we may not find out about his childhood. Unless someone else tells us.
Quote from: Sid on December 22, 2006, 09:43:36 PMAt this rate, Glory might just believe that Abel is one of the good guys, assuming that he'll be kneeling and sobbing next to Devin's fallen form at the end of the battle... and assuming that anybody except for Abel and the attackers survives this...
Well, if Glory didn't see Xander or Devin die, she might just think that Abel killed them.
Also, this should mean that we don't find out why Devin's mom denounced him, but I suspect that the reason will still come out. Maybe Devin's mom was visited by the same incubus as May?
Most usually take pity upon the forms of those who are little more than a broken individual, paralyzed in fear and anxiety. I'm sure there have been more than enough soldiers reduced to such states upon the field of battle.
I really didn't expect Devin would just jump up and go "OMG" , I was kind of more expecting him to look at the headwings with a shocked look and then maybe do something dramatic, but then again I wasn't really expecting the whole, "Oh Abel! Come on, you can do it!" thing either.
But damnit! I liked him! D:<
Why Amber why?!?! 'A'
I don't think Devin is dead quite yet. Personally I think that was how Abel saw the attack. You know something that might fully push him over the edge into unleashing massive cubi dangers.
Still if he is alive he's probably on the ground bleeding to death which would explain Abel's hemophobia in even greater detail.
Ohno! D: Devin! Holy...
Well, unless Glory comes back and thinks that it was Abel who attacked Devin, I'm thinking the poor now-incubus is on his own...
On a slightly lighter note, that's gotta be one of the more memorable lines from that comic. "They're attached!" Heh... :3
Quote from: familyghost on December 22, 2006, 09:54:19 PM
I don't think Devin is dead quite yet. Personally I think that was how Abel saw the attack. You know something that might fully push him over the edge into unleashing massive cubi dangers.
Still if he is alive he's probably on the ground bleeding to death which would explain Abel's hemophobia in even greater detail.
But apparently he's had that problem since he was a kid and never got over it, and I'm still waiting for an explanation for that...D:<
If either of them was going to survive I would want it to be Xander, even though it's not 'logical', it would create more drama (we all love that) and let us see a bit more of him. (And I would love that. <3) One of them has to survive, though, I hope....D:
Also, though this is off-topic, what the hell did Devin's tail come from? It looks kinda anteaterish....Though he looks much like some sort of feline to me....O_o;;
Quote from: familyghost on December 22, 2006, 09:54:19 PMStill if he is alive he's probably on the ground bleeding to death which would explain Abel's hemophobia in even greater detail.
No, it doesn't. He's already shown his hemophobia. I'm looking it up to see when the symptoms usually appear, but I think it's almost a congenital thing.
(Hm, not in the 1911 Britannica, not the DSM-V...)
If Devin didn't die from that hit, I'll be surprised. It looks like it hit him in the more vital parts: i.e. heart and lungs. And add one more thing to break Abel into a sobbing little ball of fur.
Poor poor Abel :cry :hug
"Excuse me, Doctor, but I think I'll just lie down for a bit of a rest..."
Ouch.
Congratulations to those who picked Devin in the DMFA DeathPool! At 5-1 odds, not a bad deal!
Man, watching dead people, then Xander die, and now Devin? Poor Abel :(
NOOOO!!!
Well, to me, it looks like the.. thing... hit Devin on the right shoulder and knocked that arm backwards....
Please be alive!
Quote from: Akisohida on December 22, 2006, 10:43:26 PMMan, watching dead people, then Xander die, and now Devin? Poor Abel :(
Yeah. I'm still not a fan of creating characters just so that their deaths can mess up the main character. I always feel like they should have their own character arc, at least. Ah, well. The art *was* nice on this one.
Quote from: Izkata on December 22, 2006, 10:51:46 PMWell, to me, it looks like the.. thing... hit Devin on the right shoulder and knocked that arm backwards....
You know, he was facing Abel, so he shouldn't have been turned around like that.
Man... talk about yer' bad days... Abel's been to a funeral, been shot at, threatened with sodomy, seen at least 10 dead people, found himself under a hail of fireballs and energy bolts, suffer massive headaches, and had at least one person he knew die right in front of him.. Now he's likely going to be blamed for Devin's death/wound simply because of Devin's stupidity and the fact that he has "the potential" to do such a thing...
Glory is going to come back, see Abel, see Devin, figure Devin wouldn't' be so stupid as to stand up while under fire, figure Abel attacked him(I'm not sure if he was hit through the shoulder or the heart), then try to kill Abel...
Ugg... a real ray of sunshine is on Abel today eh? :mowsad
Damn random surprises! They make people forget about potentials, therefore making you do things that aren't safe.
Damn, Devin is way too stupid to be a real adventurer, if that's what he is. Doesn't even know what 'cubi are. Standing up while under attack. Concentrating on trivial things while under attack. Not the kind of way anyone expected or wanted him to go or be.
Quote from: superluser on December 22, 2006, 10:08:57 PM
Quote from: familyghost on December 22, 2006, 09:54:19 PMStill if he is alive he's probably on the ground bleeding to death which would explain Abel's hemophobia in even greater detail.
No, it doesn't. He's already shown his hemophobia. I'm looking it up to see when the symptoms usually appear, but I think it's almost a congenital thing.
(Hm, not in the 1911 Britannica, not the DSM-V...)
Oh I know that, what I meant was that seeing Devin possibly killed and Xander lying dead could bring it to his near catatonic level we saw with Dan at the mall with the paint. Unless he did that any ways with the dead bodies and we just didn't see it. Anyway I think I've talked myself into a circular arguement so I'll concede I was wrong here and now.
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on December 22, 2006, 11:20:41 PM
Damn, Devin is way too stupid to be a real adventurer, if that's what he is. Doesn't even know what 'cubi are. Standing up while under attack. Concentrating on trivial things while under attack. Not the kind of way anyone expected or wanted him to go or be.
Actually I think he realised his mistake, but still you have a point... He needs a D&D character sheet so it can be remembered properly.
*waits patiently behind his flame shield* <- (In my experience D&D references have only brought me pain outside D&D players)
Oh... oh no... o_o
Noooooo! ;_;
Please let him be alright...
...I think I'm just as surprised as everyone else here. Things... aren't looking good right now. Especially with him getting his headwings just before this happens.
I'm with the people who think that he'll be attacked by Glory and crew if they survive.
I think I just stumbled on something...
That energy beam with the thing circling it looks an awful lot like a caduceus (http://us.inmagine.com/168nwm/photodisc/pdeo003/pdeo003014.jpg). Now, the Caduceus was associated most strongly with Mercury, so much so that it is echoed in his astronomical sign. What was this sign (http://www.indepthinfo.com/mercury/images/mercury-symbol.jpg)?
See where I'm going with this? What if the thing on the roof is from Cyra clan?
But I'm not done. The horns on the top of the Mercury symbol were supposed to represent the wings on his hat (http://www.ctv.es/USERS/hermetica/imatges/Petasus.jpg). The bar on the bottom was supposed to represent part of the Caduceus, but the Cyra clan marking has the bar turned down, as though it were representing another set of wings not unlike the ones that Mercury has on his feet.
And we know that it is rumored that powerful `cubi get another set of wings...and that Cyra is a powerful clan...
Abel's nogginwings may be attached, but Devin's innards sure aren't anymore.
Interesting that a magical attack makes such a...physical...sound upon impact. I would have expected a *shwwrk* or a *zrrk* instead of a *thwack*.
Quote from: superluser on December 23, 2006, 12:05:21 AM
And we know that it is rumored that powerful `cubi get another set of wings...and that Cyra is a powerful clan...
I'm not sure what you're implying but I don't think it's any great secret that Amber had a picture of Cyra in her old gallery and she was a tri-winged Cubi
Quote from: Kasarn on December 23, 2006, 12:19:50 AMI'm not sure what you're implying but I don't think it's any great secret that Amber had a picture of Cyra in her old gallery and she was a tri-winged Cubi
I was mainly going for where and why they appeared.
Quote from: Kasarn on December 23, 2006, 12:19:50 AM
Quote from: superluser on December 23, 2006, 12:05:21 AM
And we know that it is rumored that powerful `cubi get another set of wings...and that Cyra is a powerful clan...
I'm not sure what you're implying but I don't think it's any great secret that Amber had a picture of Cyra in her old gallery and she was a tri-winged Cubi
...she what? Where is this image? I have three figures on the line, so I REALLY need to know where the third set of wings attachs to.
lol, no
Here's the tri-wing from the calender though
http://www.missmab.com/graphics/C_October.jpg
....buttwings.
Butt...wings.
Well, I guess that's one way of dealing with "Silent but Deadly" Syndrome.
Yeah, they were supposed to be on her hips...
Quote from: ChaoSynergy on December 23, 2006, 12:14:13 AM
Interesting that a magical attack makes such a...physical...sound upon impact. I would have expected a *shwwrk* or a *zrrk* instead of a *thwack*.
maybe she was out of shwwrk and zrrk so she used Thwack ..... I would use shoomp
Sound effects are hard. I really need to read more comics, but then again they could be getting them wrong as well. Argh, hard to put sounds into words.
Well, your basic physical SFX are thwack, thunk, crunch and thok. Since it's magic, you'd usually expect something a bit more energy related...zzap, zwip, zrakk, kssh, vorp, etc.
Devin is not dead. I know this is the fact of the impact of the shot and where it landed. I think it got him in the shoulder and the force knocked him back or in a circular fashion and has the wind knocked out of him. Devin is not dead the only thing that is hurting right now it's his pride.
There is a 30/50 chance he might survive...Just with a missing arm
Quote from: ShiningShadow on December 23, 2006, 01:06:02 AM
Devin is not dead. I know this is the fact of the impact of the shot and where it landed. I think it got him in the shoulder and the force knocked him back or in a circular fashion and has the wind knocked out of him. Devin is not dead the only thing that is hurting right now it's his pride.
Along with wherever he got hit, of course.
And you lost a 10 on those odds, Zedd.
ouch, just ouch.
I doubt Devin will survive such a wound, after all, magic can have any number of effects attached to it. For all we know the physical thwack might just be a precursor to something a bit more tortuous. Is this of course if he wasn't hit in a vital organ as some have suggessted.
Personally I favour that Devin's dead, end of sentence.
Quote from: Sid on December 22, 2006, 09:43:36 PM
Quote from: superluser on December 22, 2006, 09:41:17 PM
Anyways, this means that Devin will not be able to save Abel from Glory.
At this rate, Glory might just believe that Abel is one of the good guys, assuming that he'll be kneeling and sobbing next to Devin's fallen form at the end of the battle... and assuming that anybody except for Abel and the attackers survives this...
More likely, at this rate Glory's team gets wasted as well.. considering that we haven't seen Glory do anything except cast a shield. Unless one of them starts to do something about the fiend..
Note, we still don't know who/what the attackers are, or why they returned. The obvious guess is that they sensed the relay Xander sent and returned to finish the job, but somehow I doubt it's as simple as that.
[EDIT: also, seeing how it broke off part of the wagon instead of burning, dissolving, or the like, I'm inclined to believe that the projectile is at least part-physical. So there's nothing wrong with the sound effects.]
I know he's alive bruised ribs maybe a through and through on the arm. I will wait and see waht will happens next.
Quote from: ShiningShadow on December 23, 2006, 01:26:25 AM
I know he's alive bruised ribs maybe a through and through on the arm. I will wait and see waht will happens next.
If you have proof, please share it.
Anyway, from the position of the silhouette, I'd have to say he's been hit straight in the chest, though it might have only grazed his heart or hit it dead on, he is definitely missing a lung at least. If you look closely you'll see that his vest is pulled back by the projectile, allowing a clear view through the arm holes which wouldn't be possible if it hit his shoulder(as people have suggested).
There now this bastards a sniper. I'm betting he's the one who got Xander. This magic is fast, deadly and accurate. Snipping magic, the fireball guy was just the distraction the loud heavy machine gunner you focus on while his partner makes people suddenly not alive
You know with Xander dead and now Devin I keep remembering a scene from Reaper man
In the end Death visits an old Woman who saved him, and a young girl. He takes her out and showsher the time of her life, Well her death anyway since this was her last day alive. And then after the party and the dancing he takes her soul back threw the years, back to the very moment an avalanch killed the young man she was to marry.
As the two souls embraced in the snow he grined (well he can't help it) and said "Where ever you go from here, you'll go together"
I get the same feeling from Devin and Xander. They died moments apart. I'm sure Xander loved Devin, and while Devin may have been scared of it I'm positive he loved the pup back. and where ever they go from here in the next great adventure they go together
Quote from: Valynth on December 23, 2006, 01:35:51 AM
Quote from: ShiningShadow on December 23, 2006, 01:26:25 AM
I know he's alive bruised ribs maybe a through and through on the arm. I will wait and see waht will happens next.
If you have proof, please share it.
Anyway, from the position of the silhouette, I'd have to say he's been hit straight in the chest, though it might have only grazed his heart or hit it dead on, he is definitely missing a lung at least. If you look closely you'll see that his vest is pulled back by the projectile, allowing a clear view through the arm holes which wouldn't be possible if it hit his shoulder(as people have suggested).
Not that I believe Devin would survive, but I don't really think that's the vest it's pulling back, it looks more like his arm.
Better not let Devin die >=/ Xander, now Devin.... no this is not good... kill all the chars who new and good... now i am emo.
Plus if they die now, Xander is officially a stock character. Devin has avoided such a fate thanks to some backstory.
Now realy, Devin isn't a stock char as you say it, and kill him would be an fatal mistake, i love this story, but this realy makes it bad, and i'm honest on this, kill the mayor good characters not an wise thing i suppose. I realy hope he survive this injury.
Quote from: Manawolf on December 23, 2006, 01:51:27 AM
Plus if they die now, Xander is officially a stock character. Devin has avoided such a fate thanks to some backstory.
Quote from: Ice4s on December 23, 2006, 01:57:02 AM
Now realy, Devin isn't a stock char as you say it, and kill him would be an fatal mistake, i love this story, but this realy makes it bad, and i'm honest on this, kill the mayor good characters not an wise thing i suppose. I realy hope he survive this injury.
Look, this comic is more reality based than the other one. And let me tell you, in reality, everyone has a backstory, but they still die. Just because a character dies doesn't mean he doesn't have a backstory and by the same token just because a person has a backstory doesn't mean he'll live through anything and everything. Hence why it has a higher rating because it would shatter the protective bubble of "no one really dies, their just meaty puppets!" that many people seem to have.
I demand a Devin and Xander spinoff series!
Sign the petition at savedevinandxander.com (http://www.missmab.com)
Yes, let's make Amber make even more comics! >:3
look, this is realy a mood killer about the comic, lot of us like these new characters, they carry things, and not just simply alike pupets. One die, thats ok.... but all... now thats gose way to far in my oppinion. We got the drama, truely, but now something good could happen, "good" as not every one die, get hurt, sure, struggle in the battle for survive, sure... but kill them all... just don't do any good.
BACK, BACK BLAST YOU!
*begins beating back the hoard of people who begin to chant for more comics with a mace*
WHAT HAVE I DONE?!?!
Quote from: Ice4s on December 23, 2006, 02:26:22 AM
look, this is realy a mood killer about the comic, lot of us like these new characters, they carry things, and not just simply alike pupets. One die, thats ok.... but all... now thats gose way to far in my oppinion. We got the drama, truely, but now something good could happen, "good" as not every one die, get hurt, sure, struggle in the buttle for survive, sure... but kill them all... just don't do any good.
I'm not saying all will die. I'm saying that not all will live. There is a difference. I'm also saying that characters should not be thought of as through they were items(honestly, "stock character?")
Well... from 2 is 2 so far as it seams... which is 100% rate as well. Or say i'm wrong, Abel is basic he can't die., rest possibly can... Xander, we not know truely anything about him, he is simpatic character, and thats it, now Devin is different, We started to know him, see the good in him, even the way he is jerk at times, as he act... alike Abel in the first times, he also do things, but we did see the good in him, and today, we know him preaty good.
Kill Devin as well would be an fatal mistake.
OH FOR THE LOVE OF....
It's Amber's comic and she can darn well do what she darned well feels like with it! There is no "mistake" or "right or wrong" about it!
It is her comic, not said that she can'T, but it's a mistake if the public isn't like it, yeah i am realy much agents to that Devin die, i'm surely an extream on this out of the many.
I just don'T have good time here, and seen this didn't done any good to me, so thats why i'm this much steamed up on this. Death of a char is natural, the chose of the athor is natura, it's her / his own right. But as an individual, i'm not happy with this what i see now on the last screen if thats mean Devin's death.
I love both comic, and story line, but this is a huge cut, from my personal view it is.
The title of stock character goes more by the role in the story the character recieves rather than who the character is. Since Xander ended up doing little to nothing story-wise, he was practically an extra, but just a little above that rank, so he becomes a stock character.
Of course, if you want a good example of a stock character, look to some of the members of the STARS teams from Resident Evil to get a good idea of how one ends up a stock character.
Holy cripes... And Dan thought his first day as a cubi was rough.
Quote from: Ice4s on December 23, 2006, 02:34:20 AM
Well... from 2 is 2 so far as it seams... which is 100% rate as well. Or say i'm wrong, Abel is basic he can't die., rest possibly can... Xander, we not know truely anything about him, he is simpatic character, and thats it, now Devin is different, We started to know him, see the good in him, even the way he is jerk at times, as he act... alike Abel in the first times, he also do things, but we did see the good in him, and today, we know him preaty good.
Kill Devin as well would be an fatal mistake.
"Fatal mistake" makes it sound like a threat, just so you know.
The comic is one area where I have to say, Amber is pretty much unerring. If Devin dies... it's not a mistake. It's not a flaw. You might not like it, but that doesn't mean she has to go back and "fix" it. She'll do what she wants with the story, and she'll do it on purpose. It's not like she's making this all up as she goes along, there's at least a structured plot involved that specifically involves some people living and some people dying, at Amber's discretion.
I know I sure as hell wouldn't change any of my stories just because the way it all went down was unpopular with some people, and I think it's way out of line for you to demand that Amber do such.
:erk
Does anyone besides me want to lay odds on the chance that rather dissolve into a whimpering pool of snivel as expected, Abel instead might be motivated to some violently vengeful acts of rightous cubi fury?
If so...YAY! (What can I say? Rightous fury is one of my favorite flavors.)
Also, wouldn't it be delicious if the thing on the roof happens to be a relative of Abel's? The lack of faces on his tentacles (at least so far) seems to indicate that whoever Abel's clan founder is, that 'cubi is currently pushing up daisies. I wonder how that happened. ;)
Great, now I'm thinking of that "Leroy Jenkins" thing, with the sniper going, "Kekekekekekekeke."
He must die a horrible and painfilled death.
"God mode turn on."
"A fatal mistake" hah.
Is it wrong for me to think that calling an action a "mistake" when you have yet to see the result of said action a little...irritating?
Fact-Devin may or may not be dead. We wont know for sure until the next comic(possibly)
Fact-We don't know what is going to happen next. We don't know where Amber is going with this. I'm going to take a wild guess and ASSUME that Amber has the story all planned out. That she didn't just spend all this time making the readers actually LIKE Devin and Xander just to kill them off on a whim. I'm going to assume there's a reason behind this, whether it be for plot's sake or character growth.
So...telling Amber she's made a "fatal mistake" when the only person that knows what's going to happen next is Amber herself is just....
Well.
You know.
A tad insulting.
:B
I appolages, sry, as i said as well, i dosen't had the best week, and this dose have the mark on me. :tired :cry
it wont be confirmed he being dead until it is shown where it hit exactly, but for me it seems it hit right his NECK, and exited on his back, not his chest or shoulder
big question is, is Abel gonna keep acting as a wimp or will he go super cubi-jin and blast the guy away in a desperate but effective blow?
I've got a question for you lot:
Would you rather that Amber created only pale two-dimensional characters to tell Abels story?
I think that giving us an incentive to like the people Abel meets, makes his story more vivid.
I won't deny that seeing so many of them die isn't all lolipops and sunshine but what do you expect.
Amber tries to explain to us why Abel is how he is and acts the way he does 'today'.
I feel it's good storytelling whether I like the theme of the story or not.
Poor Xander, poor Devin. May they get to rest in peace.
Poor Abel having such a horrible day.
But yay story progress!
Easy to guess summary: Piccolo kills Devin, Xander's already toast, the paladin lady comes around and sees Abel's headwings (accompanied with an Abel freak out or not) and assumes he is in cahoots with Piccolo. Then Abel either kills them all and is later found by someone, or he is initially chased off by the paladin lady and then goes on a rampage. Somehow, his parents die! I blame piccolo.
Rocks fall. Everybody dies. ¬¬
"It's worse than that - he's dead, Jim."
they're all dead in DMFA's timeline anyway. Give it a rest. >.>
Oh my... :crying :crying
Im speechless. Maybe someone else could express what im feeling right now?
(http://mitglied.lycos.de/colorbysnap/nofunny.jpg)
Also, hasnt this subject already been covered?
http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_159.php
http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_175.php
[rant]
Its incredible that Amber is able to pull of drawing two (quite distinctive) comic strips at the same time, DMFA being the comical "one strip one joke" one, and Abels story the darker story-telling one.
Hell, majority of webcomic ive seen doesnt even manage _one_ properly or sometimes switches between the two.
There are thoussands of webcomics out there putting "story progress" on top of their priority list, thus unfortunately rendering the strip dramatic and "not funny at all". Ive never seen the fascination in that, but maybe its just me being wierd.
Anyway i guess the reason for many people being surprised is the sudden change of pace. We havent really seen enough piles of corpses in Ambers art to be used to them. "Everybody dies" in one of Ambers strips just seems so out of place. And it has never mattered that they included deamons and carnivores and all other kinds of deadly "things with sharp teeth".
Apparently, with Abels story lots of unwritten DMFA rules (no killing besides for comical purposes, funny strip over story progress) have changed or dont apply anymore - which is impressive and well done, but also takes a bit to get used to. I guess back then, it was simply a darker time than "now".
[/rant]
On another note:
I giggled about the line "What, they're attached?". It sounds like Devin really wanted to say something like: "Woa, where did that bat in your hair come from?"
Also, Devins answer shows that he didnt know that cubi had headwings, thus rendering all speculation about Devins reaction null and void.
Rough rule of thumb, 'magic can do anything the author/artist says it can', in this case cause physical damage and apparently larger exit wounds.
Id say it cut though the shoulder, but maybe did damage lower. But then again I'm no expert of blood splatter, could of cut a clean line though. If the creature firing them wanted to kill all of them straight away, wouldn't they aim for the head? Then again it is close to his neck..
Speculation ends here (for this comic anyway)
I good realisation of doom expression on Devin, and the impact shot is fully effective without too much detail.
ouch, poor devin, what's the likelihood of him having some last words, neh?..
either way, i get the mental image (or animation in this case) of Devin tugging Abel's headwings.
Pooooor Devin >.<
Pooooooor Xander! (<3'ed Xander :3)
POOOOOOOR ABEL!
Not only is Glory gonna find an Abel very sad at her friends body, but she might accuse her of doing it, Glory might end up dying too by the cubi institutes headmaster type person because of the recent spike in Cubi nature from Abel. :U
Complete theory though >.>
EDITED CAUSE OF NAME MISTAKE CAUSE I FAIL AT MAINTAINING SPELLING WHEN AWAKE FOR A LONG TIME :U
I like Devin and Xander but that's what ake sit cooler if they are killed off.; you don't see it coming. You don't say 'This guy is a jerk with a 2D personality and no past..He will be dead soon.' You say 'This guy is awsome! I hope we learn more about him! ...Noooo!' I mean, imagine if the real world had Red Shirts 'Dude..You have no personality, keep your eyes open!' ;) Giving characters that are destined to die personalities and making us like them pulls us into the world of the comic and proves what a good storyteller Amber is.
Since when does being like the real world make a comic more fun to read? :erk
only when it involves sex, violence, and videogames.
even then i guess the whole fun is that you can embelish the realworldey stuff
QuoteI tell the truth quite often, yet people are always supprised
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Quote from: Tait-Fox on December 23, 2006, 07:41:53 AM
Glory might end up dying too by the cubi institutes headmaster type person because of the recent spike in Cubi nature from Abel. :U
There's no magical cubi radar that they just find some guy who just got his headwings and scoop him up >_>
*Charline hmphs* Frankly, I think it's a very good manner of storytelling. Not to mention we can't be sure if he's dead yet. There are thousands of comics that have had characters get blasted and appear dead in one scene, only to reveal that they're not quite dead yet in the next. (I think I'm getting better!)
Buuuuut, since Amber knows this, she might well kill him at the end of the next scene... just to be mean to the whiners. I certainly would. (He's died!) >:3
Besides, controversy only increases fame! Forcing people to take a vested interest in a character, invading their minds to the point where they foam at the mouth and begin rioting at the thought of losing one of their precious inked pseudo-people... it's a delightful form of mind control! Then, all the comic creator has to do is say "If you'll invade this country and slaughter all the first born, I'll bring the character back!" And thus, a simple comic artist becomes Empress of the world! *sighs* Ah Amber, you have outdone me in one mode of evil. I'll have to greatly increase my other evil to compensate!
*Charles notes* Until we see exactly where in the chest he was hit, we can't know for sure that it's fatal. Having read many case studies of chest wounds, being hit on the right side is often survivable as long as none of the major blood vessels are severed.
I'm trying to make my thinking clear on these issues, but I'll probably wind up goofing it up again and again until the day I die.
I don't like loosely-defined characters dying. Something strikes me as rather twinky in developing a story where the author is saying something like ``So the main character needs to have an emotional breakdown. I know! I'll invent another character and have him DIE in front of the main character!''
What about Devin? What about Xander? How have their own deaths affected them?
Xander has a sister. How is she going to react? We'll probably never know. Does Xander have any other living relatives or friends? We were never told. The only things that we know about him are from his interactions with the main character or from his interactions with other characters that interact with the main character.
The same is true of Devin. We don't know if any of his relatives are alive, and his only compatriots that we know of are the other adventurers. Surely he has other people that care about him.
It seems rather cheap to view a life through the narrow prism of one social connection. Not to mention that if, in character creation, you have the death be more important than the life, you tend to make the character's personality about his last few minutes, not about the twenty-some years that came before.
Oh, well. That's my view, not Amber's, and I think that reasonable people can disagree about this.
Quote from: Alondro on December 23, 2006, 11:25:56 AM(I think I'm getting better!)
I feel happy!
Quote from: superluser on December 23, 2006, 11:27:44 AM
I'm trying to make my thinking clear on these issues, but I'll probably wind up goofing it up again and again until the day I die.
I don't like loosely-defined characters dying. Something strikes me as rather twinky in developing a story where the author is saying something like ``So the main character needs to have an emotional breakdown. I know! I'll invent another character and have him DIE in front of the main character!''
What about Devin? What about Xander? How have their own deaths affected them?
Xander has a sister. How is she going to react? We'll probably never know. Does Xander have any other living relatives or friends? We were never told. The only things that we know about him are from his interactions with the main character or from his interactions with other characters that interact with the main character.
The same is true of Devin. We don't know if any of his relatives are alive, and his only compatriots that we know of are the other adventurers. Surely he has other people that care about him.
It seems rather cheap to view a life through the narrow prism of one social connection. Not to mention that if, in character creation, you have the death be more important than the life, you tend to make the character's personality about his last few minutes, not about the twenty-some years that came before.
Oh, well. That's my view, not Amber's, and I think that reasonable people can disagree about this.
Generally, there's space limitations in every story. I don't know of any work that can possibly show all of the reactions for a particular character's extended relationship tree. And indeed, perhaps the reactions from different people might even become redundant. I'd probably assume all of them would at least be sad that Xander died, for example.
It's always more important, in my opinion, to keep the story moving. Not harp on one detail.
-Seth
Quote from: superluser on December 23, 2006, 11:27:44 AMOh, well. That's my view, not Amber's, and I think that reasonable people can disagree about this.
Thanks for
being reasonable. :3
I'm not sure, but Devin's injury didn't look immideately lethal... he will probably die slowly and start halucinating from blood loss first.
Quote from: sethtriggs on December 23, 2006, 12:55:35 PMGenerally, there's space limitations in every story. I don't know of any work that can possibly show all of the reactions for a particular character's extended relationship tree. And indeed, perhaps the reactions from different people might even become redundant. I'd probably assume all of them would at least be sad that Xander died, for example.
True enough. I guess my point is that the death of a character should be about that character, and not about someone else.
All right, that's it. >( Right now, I want to find that sniper, grab them by the neck, then rip their face off and watch them die. :cry Why Amber, why? Hasn't Abel suffered enough?
Quote from: Alan Garou on December 23, 2006, 02:02:32 PM
:cry Why Amber, why? Hasn't Abel suffered enough?
No because after all this he still has to go to school
:eek (shock) bu-but D-d-de-d-dev-d-Devin-
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!
:crying 'A' :C
What the hell is the creature why did Abel's wings choose that moment to sprout why Amber WHY!!
(bawls like a little girl) :cry .... I need a hug...
[Angist mood] :boom Their dead..And they live on...In the ground..feeding the wurms... :boom [/Angist mood]
Neverless...Its one those basic comic deaths..Everyone turns out alright maybe...
Quote from: superluser on December 22, 2006, 10:08:57 PM
(Hm, not in the 1911 Britannica, not the DSM-V...)
Just checking, if that's a UK source you'll want to spell it
properly the other way, i.e. "haemophobia"
And as for the strip, let me just say "!!!". Ah well, at least Xander's not going to be lonely.
My guess is that Abel collapses from the psychic shock and is left for dead. Not sure if anyone's suggested that as I'm only able to get online briefly.. just time for a quick scan.
The attack seems to have hit pretty high in the torso, around the collarbone. Not sure if that's immeadiately lethal, but he may still be alive.
One of them must live. [/end]
You're going to hate me for this... but to me, it's like when that guy takes off his helmet in Saving Private Ryan, or when they first see a chestburster in Alien...
Bwahahahahahahahahahaaa...!
That's it, I'm posting that gif as soon as I can find it.
I remember that part in Saving Private Ryan. We watched it in school last year. >:3
Da HAH: (http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/4043/11259290438067ve.gif)
Quote from: Manawolf on December 23, 2006, 06:48:38 PM
Da HAH: (http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/4043/11259290438067ve.gif)
Oh wow, thats so wrong it spirals right back into absolutley awesome. i could watch this all day long.
On topic: Poor Devin. You have issues and it sucks to be you. :tired
Quote from: Tapewolf on December 23, 2006, 04:18:29 PMJust checking, if that's a UK source you'll want to spell it properly the other way, i.e. "haemophobia"
Yes, *thank* you.
I've been checking both ways, since I'm not sure which is more common. Plus, the 1911 Encyclopædia Britannica lists haemophilia in its headwords, so I'm assuming that the EB would list it under haemophobia (it does not list it under either).
Anyways, I can't find anything on it anywhere, except that the Merck Manual (http://www.merck.com/mmpe/sec15/ch196/ch196e.html?qt=hemophobia&alt=sh) says this:
QuotePeople with a phobia of blood, needles, or injury, unlike those with other phobias or anxiety disorders, can actually faint because an excessive vasovagal reflex produces bradycardia and orthostatic hypotension.
Ermm. I know what hypotension (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/hypotension) is! As for vasovagal (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/vasovagal), bradycardia (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/bradycardia) and orthostatic (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/orthostatic), you might have to look it up.
No need for me to look those up. I are a jeaneeus cuz I wurk in a hospitol! :B
Quote from: Alondro on December 24, 2006, 12:21:22 AM
No need for me to look those up. I are a jeaneeus cuz I wurk in a hospitol! :B
We didnt say you was stupid...We just said you was lazy
I don't see why your getting so worked up about this.
There just characters in a story, they aren't real, they don't matter.
Especially silly since these characters were one shots anyways. Abel's story takes quite a bit before the main story, and they wouldn't be in the story anyways.
Quote from: Whitemagebishieboy on December 24, 2006, 05:36:54 AM
I don't see why your getting so worked up about this.
There just characters in a story, they aren't real, they don't matter.
It's because one of the marks of a good writer is the ability to
make people like their characters and get emotional over something that they know isn't real. Caswin had "Fi Lives!" in his signature for something like 2 years until her/its return, so I'd say Amber is very good at it. Some people are more susceptible to this than others, I'll admit.
Quote from: Whitemagebishieboy on December 24, 2006, 05:36:54 AM
I don't see why your getting so worked up about this.
There just characters in a story, they aren't real, they don't matter.
(...)
Uhm, if you dont care about people/characters in stories, why do you bother to read them at all? Of course ficition "doesnt matter" for stuff in real life, thats why people read it for entertainment. Duh.
Quote from: Whitemagebishieboy on December 24, 2006, 05:36:54 AMI don't see why your getting so worked up about this.
There just characters in a story, they aren't real, they don't matter.
They may be fictional, but, like Rorschach test, they give insight into the mind of the creator. For example, have you ever noticed that Mike Myers' films always have some sort of bad father figures? Something's going on there...
That's taking it to a bit of an extreme, but it's still valid to look at the characters and story and see how the author views the world. Indeed, some would argue that that's the only reason.
Quote from: Tapewolf on December 24, 2006, 05:47:59 AMSome people are more susceptible to this than others, I'll admit.
If you're talking about me and my two-year sig-vigil, did it occur to you that I was just lazy? <.<
Quote from: Caswin on December 24, 2006, 01:41:47 PM
If you're talking about me and my two-year sig-vigil, did it occur to you that I was just lazy? <.<
Yes, but we couldn't be bothered mentioning it.... :-)
in my opinion I think that Devin is still alive but on Death's door. If you follow the blood trajectory it olooks like it's coming from his neck, now neck hits can be surviveable but that's incrediably rare due to the fact that neck shots generally take out vital veins and/or arteries (SP) that supply the brain with necessary nutrition and oxygen. Now there are those cases where a decapitated head is still 'living,' it's normally the shock that kills but if that doesn't occur the head still moves, blinks and such for at most 30 seconds (it's horifically true) I think I'll leave it at that.
I wanna see Abel loose his cool and go psycotic on the sniper with some of the magic he knows but I'm quite sure that Abel doesn't know much offensive magic and the offensive magic he knows is probably paralisis spells or something that either vaporises with no trace or halts considering his fear of blood.
If this were the average comic, devin's still alive alright, but just enough to deliver all or most of a death speech. or insult him one last time.
Quote from: Caswin on December 24, 2006, 01:41:47 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on December 24, 2006, 05:47:59 AMSome people are more susceptible to this than others, I'll admit.
If you're talking about me and my two-year sig-vigil, did it occur to you that I was just lazy? <.<
The line you quoted was actually aimed at WMBB (who has shown no reaction whatsoever to Amber's carefully-designed emotional death scene thing) but yeah, the bit about your "Fi Lives!" signature was about you :P
Quote from: Madmann135 on December 24, 2006, 06:34:40 PMNow there are those cases where a decapitated head is still 'living,' it's normally the shock that kills but if that doesn't occur the head still moves, blinks and such for at most 30 seconds (it's horifically true) I think I'll leave it at that.
There's also the case of Mike, the Headless Chicken (http://www.miketheheadlesschicken.org/). The rooster lived for 18 months after his head was chopped off.
Quote from: superluser on December 24, 2006, 10:42:13 PM
Quote from: Madmann135 on December 24, 2006, 06:34:40 PMNow there are those cases where a decapitated head is still 'living,' it's normally the shock that kills but if that doesn't occur the head still moves, blinks and such for at most 30 seconds (it's horifically true) I think I'll leave it at that.
There's also the case of Mike, the Headless Chicken (http://www.miketheheadlesschicken.org/). The rooster lived for 18 months after his head was chopped off.
If you want to get technical, If I remember correctly that chicken only lost half of it's head and was fed through a straw.
The site says he was fed with a dropper, and it wasn't half its head as much as the chicken's brain stem (or at least most of it.. I don't remember the wording) was still intact.
"K-thnk"? that's a crossbow noise...
*GASP*
he got hit with a supersonic crossbow! that's why it would leave weapon trails. >:3
also: RU5|-| T3H 5PL01TER!
(http://www.wowcards.org/images/articles/art-for-leeroy-jenkins-card-revealed-1.jpg)
The thing did look a lot like a shot from a Gauss Rifle, but that's sci-fi.
*Looks again a week later*
As long as we're speculating about it not being fatal... did anyone bring up the possibility that it didn't even hit his chest, but his right shoulder? I'm probably reading too far into the art, but that might explain the blood being obscured by his silhouette.
In any case, the blood's going to send abel into fits... What a crappy weakness to have.
Quote from: Caswin on December 29, 2006, 11:00:34 AM
*Looks again a week later*
As long as we're speculating about it not being fatal... did anyone bring up the possibility that it didn't even hit his chest, but his right shoulder? I'm probably reading too far into the art, but that might explain the blood being obscured by his silhouette.
That's exactly what my boyfriend thought, but personally, I thought it had perforated his neck, making that strike an instant kill (I think). But honestly, if he were to have any last words, for some reason, Final Destination comes to mind, when one of the victims ended up giving the one-finger salute within the final few seconds of his life.
But yikes, poor, poor Abel. <=/ I was really starting to like Devin, too. All of that character development in shaping him into a 3-D character with an actual backstory and making us care about him, and he kicks the bucket. Glory isn't going to be very happy, to say the least, and lord knows how she's going to react when she sees Abel near Devin's (possibly) dead body, sporting a newly-sprouted pair of headwings.
But am I the only one who notices how similar those rapier-like appendages are to Abel's own wing tentacles in terms of coloration? If Amber once said that a trained Cubi could pierce stone with those, a wagon could be a cakewalk to a Cubi like that. Hopefully we won't have to wait long until the assailant is revealed.
~Keaton the Black Jackal
Quote from: Caswin on December 29, 2006, 11:00:34 AM
*Looks again a week later*
As long as we're speculating about it not being fatal... did anyone bring up the possibility that it didn't even hit his chest, but his right shoulder? I'm probably reading too far into the art, but that might explain the blood being obscured by his silhouette.
Yep, I posted that somewhere... It makes more sense, as his right arm appears to be knocked backwards from the impact.
So it seems it was a hit on the near shoulder on the neck bone. We will see where it land by monday or tuesday who knows what will Amber has in mind for us.