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Title: 7/17/06 - Cheating, the non-Balco way.
Post by: bill on July 16, 2006, 08:45:21 PM
Just wondering, is it really in Abel's best interests to be first through that door, and thus, the first Alexsi sees?
Title: Re: 7/17/06 - Cheating, the non-Balco way.
Post by: Netami on July 16, 2006, 08:47:32 PM
I somehow doubt Merlitz didn't contact her about it. It'll probably get them both beaten or something.
Title: Re: 7/17/06 - Cheating, the non-Balco way.
Post by: GabrielsThoughts on July 16, 2006, 09:01:04 PM
so dan is now having a giggle fit
Title: Re: 7/17/06 - Cheating, the non-Balco way.
Post by: Nikki on July 16, 2006, 09:10:25 PM
eep...mallet time...
Title: Re: 7/17/06 - Cheating, the non-Balco way.
Post by: Lucheek on July 16, 2006, 09:47:28 PM
People do that to me sometimes by telling a very good joke (an in-text one compared to an obvious joke.) before going on being serious.

I also have to ask- Abel has spent almost his entire life learning magic and spells. You think ONE of those would include teleportation?
Title: Re: 7/17/06 - Cheating, the non-Balco way.
Post by: Nikki on July 16, 2006, 09:48:48 PM
Quote from: Lucheek on July 16, 2006, 09:47:28 PM
I also have to ask- Abel has spent almost his entire life learning magic and spells. You think ONE of those would include teleportation?
hmmmm...maybe he didn't study that?
Title: Re: 7/17/06 - Cheating, the non-Balco way.
Post by: GabrielsThoughts on July 16, 2006, 10:07:06 PM
Who bothers to learn Teleportation when there are Warp-Aci around?
Title: Re: 7/17/06 - Cheating, the non-Balco way.
Post by: Fresnor on July 16, 2006, 10:18:11 PM
Speaking of which, does Abel even have a personal Warp-aci?  Because Dan sure does... >.>
Title: Re: 7/17/06 - Cheating, the non-Balco way.
Post by: Aridas on July 16, 2006, 10:19:54 PM
Hey, that's not fair! Dan didn't finalize the deal. The race is off! *sets up some roadblocks and landmines* >.>
Title: Re: 7/17/06 - Cheating, the non-Balco way.
Post by: Rowne on July 16, 2006, 10:48:15 PM
Why do I keep getting Bruce Wayne on Joker-gas flashbacks when I read this comic and why can I not help but see Abel now as the Joker?

Oh dear.

I can't help but wonder what state Dan's going to be in when he gets to Lost Lake.  Could you imagine?  I suppose he'd have a good excuse to be out of his mind.

"Oh look, a bug!  Haha-haa, that's funny.  A being on a bicycle wearing a helmet, heeheheeehehehe, so funny!  OMGTHESUN, it's the most hilarious shade of or...aaaahahahaaange!  MUST KILL ABEL!  Wheeee!  MUS... ahahaha!  Oh, hi Alexsi.  Funny story.  Merlitz ran away from home on a random wuzzis of rediscovery and...aaaahahaha... he's probably out there right now, alone and being slain by a Dragon!  Oh, hi Mab.  I forgot that you had a thing for Merly.  A 'thing'.  Aaahahahahahaha!  Hey, wait.  Why are you looking at me like that?  What are you doing?  Mab, what are you doing with that fireball?  Mab, no!  Bad mab!"

See?  Bruce Wayne on Joker-gas.

At least, in my mind.
Title: Re: 7/17/06 - Cheating, the non-Balco way.
Post by: Shakal on July 16, 2006, 11:04:24 PM
Quote from: Fresnor on July 16, 2006, 10:18:11 PM
Speaking of which, does Abel even have a personal Warp-aci?  Because Dan sure does... >.>

Hmmm, good question, where is Fi in all this. Because if Fi is around, Dan can STILL beat Abel home easily.
Title: Re: 7/17/06 - Cheating, the non-Balco way.
Post by: Paladin Sheppard on July 16, 2006, 11:50:50 PM
You do realise that we're talking about Dan here, he is not exactly the sharpest tool in the shed..
Title: Re: 7/17/06 - Cheating, the non-Balco way.
Post by: Nikki on July 16, 2006, 11:53:11 PM
Aye...Dan could still beat him..DDR moves XD
Title: Re: 7/17/06 - Cheating, the non-Balco way.
Post by: Zedd on July 17, 2006, 12:38:05 AM
That seems fun to do that to antheor Cubi X3
Title: Re: 7/17/06 - Cheating, the non-Balco way.
Post by: xHaZxMaTx on July 17, 2006, 12:58:01 AM
Quote from: Rowne on July 16, 2006, 10:48:15 PM
Why do I keep getting Bruce Wayne on Joker-gas flashbacks when I read this comic and why can I not help but see Abel now as the Joker?
Warning, Bad Photoshopping Ahead!
(http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v451/xHaZxMaTx/NFSUG2_User_Bar_2/th_Nuh-nuh-nuhBATMAN.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v451/xHaZxMaTx/NFSUG2_User_Bar_2/Nuh-nuh-nuhBATMAN.jpg)
Title: Re: 7/17/06 - Cheating, the non-Balco way.
Post by: Manawolf on July 17, 2006, 01:33:22 AM
This Webkilla.  Now he can pull off some comic remixing.  Squirrely too.

Also, pulling out a secret the other guys didn't know and thus couldn't ban, definitely not cool.  Makes the people who work hard feel terrible.  I know that's how it felt for me.
Title: Re: 7/17/06 - Cheating, the non-Balco way.
Post by: Rowne on July 17, 2006, 03:54:34 AM
That's awful Haz, funny but awful.

Speaking of which, I can't help but wonder if Dan is going to figure out this and they're going to abuse their powers by jamming each other.  Probably in front of a very confused Lost Lake bystander.

Could you imagine Alexsi or Jyrras standing nearby as they had such a battle, with rapidly switching emotions being rampant?

I could see some really funny scenes arising from this.

Dan: I ... I love you, maaan.
Jyrras: o.O;;;
Dan: DAMN YOU, ABEL!!!!
Title: Re: 7/17/06 - Cheating, the non-Balco way.
Post by: Tapewolf on July 17, 2006, 04:58:37 AM
I'm curious as to why Aary never tried this with Dan when he was being uncooperative.  Maybe he hadn't quite developed the ability to parse emotions (as opposed to eating them), or maybe Aary thought it was beneath her.
Title: Re: 7/17/06 - Cheating, the non-Balco way.
Post by: ITOS on July 17, 2006, 05:24:00 AM
Quote from: Tapewolf on July 17, 2006, 04:58:37 AM
I'm curious as to why Aary never tried this with Dan when he was being uncooperative.  Maybe he hadn't quite developed the ability to parse emotions (as opposed to eating them), or maybe Aary thought it was beneath her.

Wait, it's not like mind control? It just changes the emotion the person is feeling, not the view he has? (http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h18/ItosAtio/Smilies/confused.gif)
Title: Re: 7/17/06 - Cheating, the non-Balco way.
Post by: Netami on July 17, 2006, 05:36:02 AM
If it takes Cubi a long time to truly read someone's mind, then I doubt this is anything more than a baseline abuse of an untrained cubi's emotions. It's not mind control, even if Dan has little mind to take.
Title: Re: 7/17/06 - Cheating, the non-Balco way.
Post by: Aridas on July 17, 2006, 05:40:44 AM
I think it's all just basically emotional influence through a constant bombardment, like I think he said... You know, like... well, i'm not sure what it's like.
Title: Re: 7/17/06 - Cheating, the non-Balco way.
Post by: Tapewolf on July 17, 2006, 05:43:59 AM
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on July 17, 2006, 05:40:44 AM
I think it's all just basically emotional influence through a constant bombardment, like I think he said... You know, like... well, i'm not sure what it's like.
Abel still uses this trick to get his way, as he tried to do with Jyrras (who can't read emotions).  Given 400 years of experimentation, I'm sure I could come up with a way of using this to make Dan more pliant, or at least less hostile.
Title: Re: 7/17/06 - Cheating, the non-Balco way.
Post by: Zedd on July 17, 2006, 06:22:11 AM
Im 400 years old yet sadly I joined the SAIA at 12 ao moat my poqwers are still hidden and a second note...Many wishes of hope for you Amber onto the future *salutes* 
Title: Re: 7/17/06 - Cheating, the non-Balco way.
Post by: Alondro on July 17, 2006, 09:13:48 AM
*blink*  Abel... Joker... *chokes on his coffee and gags, trying not to laugh and spew all over his computer*  That was so bad it was hilarious.   :mowhappy
Title: Re: 7/17/06 - Cheating, the non-Balco way.
Post by: Suwako on July 17, 2006, 10:58:18 AM
It's the reason why Dan shall make rulles about racing.  :mowtongue

Abel is evil...
Title: Re: 7/17/06 - Cheating, the non-Balco way.
Post by: Raskahn on July 17, 2006, 12:37:10 PM
Quote from: Aiyno Wolf on July 17, 2006, 10:58:18 AM
It's the reason why Dan shall make rulles about racing.  :mowtongue

Abel is evil...

Yup, we should have learned by now, to fear the cute and the evil.
Title: Re: 7/17/06 - Cheating, the non-Balco way.
Post by: Rowne on July 17, 2006, 06:19:57 PM
Quote from: ITOS on July 17, 2006, 05:24:00 AMWait, it's not like mind control? It just changes the emotion the person is feeling, not the view he has?

Iono so much about that.  After all, the basic manipulation of feelings (if the person is unaware of another entity tampering with their emotions) can lead to a result in which they're vulnerable enough to make them malleable.

For example, first of all, jam him up with paranoia about his friends, then make a few off-handed suggestions to fuel that paranoia.  Around his friends, jam him up with anger so he's very snappy, leading to an uncomfortable environment around everyone.

Finally, jam him up with loneliness, sadness and general emo emotions and this, combined with the memories of paranoia and anger past might be just enough to have him begging for a one-way ticket out of Lost Lake.

I'd rather think that Aary believed that such scheming was below her.  She was too proud to be the trickster.

---- Edit

Oh, hey!  Maybe there are SAIA-bound laws about jamming, perhaps a 'cubi isn't allowed to jam another 'cubi up with feelings that they detect to be undesirable.  For example, if a 'cubi feels that another 'cubi doesn't particularly want to be sad, then it might be against the rules/laws of SAIA to actually make them sad.

This might be why Abel chose to make Dan laugh instead of having him turn into a goth.
Title: Re: 7/17/06 - Cheating, the non-Balco way.
Post by: Netami on July 17, 2006, 06:40:36 PM
Aary does seem like the goody-goody teacher's pet type to not abuse rules like that, or lower her standards to that of a trickster.
Title: Re: 7/17/06 - Cheating, the non-Balco way.
Post by: Rowne on July 17, 2006, 06:49:52 PM
That's the way I see it.  Most of us aren't Vulcans after all and the decisions of many a folk are influenced largely by how they feel at the time.  Do they buy copious amounts of candy when they're on a diet?  Depends on whether the person is feeling merry or depressed.  With that sentiment, if I were to possess emotion modification capabilities then even I could achieve total mind-control without hundreds of years of training.

Of course, the real crux is whether the other person knows it's possible.  If they know their emotions can be modified, they could just exercise will against it and act stubbornly.  Dan wasn't aware at the time though so goodness knows what he could've been jammed with had Aary felt so inclined.

Actually, now that I think of it, I have another explanation.  Aary has often claimed to be proud of her race and that she'd so anything to help a fellow 'cubi.  It might also stand to reason then that Aary, under no circumstances, would never do anything to hurt or hinder another 'cubi, even if it was to aid in the success of her own plans.  Even sending Dan off to SAIA, she genuinely believed she was doing the right thing for Dan.

So there's that, too.
Title: Re: 7/17/06 - Cheating, the non-Balco way.
Post by: ITOS on July 18, 2006, 05:23:19 AM
Quote from: Rowne on July 17, 2006, 06:49:52 PMOf course, the real crux is whether the other person knows it's possible.  If they know their emotions can be modified, they could just exercise will against it and act stubbornly.  Dan wasn't aware at the time though so goodness knows what he could've been jammed with had Aary felt so inclined.

But like you said, being stubborn can help you and Dan is known for being stubborn. That is why I don't think Aary would succeed in trying to use emotions to change Dan's mind.
Title: Re: 7/17/06 - Cheating, the non-Balco way.
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on July 18, 2006, 06:21:37 AM
No, I think she'd be forced to try to use them. The only problem is, she'd be, as mentioned, too much of a goodie-two-shoes to try it.

.. whereas Abel is the sneaky sort who *fits* in with Dan, since he'll use whatever he has to hand to beat Dan, and Dan will have to learn -fast- to catch up and stand up to him.

I can see Abel succeeding where Aaryanna just didn't stand a chance. And I can see Fa'Lina having the appropriate mentality to send Abel out, teach him from Dan, and teach Dan from him - and get Aary back as a lecturer at the Academy - three birds, one stone. Sorted. :-)

Can't you just see Fa'Lina chess-mastering such a move? :-)
Title: Re: 7/17/06 - Cheating, the non-Balco way.
Post by: Rowne on July 18, 2006, 06:26:56 AM
I truly can see Fa'Lina doing that.  *Nod.*

As for Dan being stubborn, Dan is only stubborn when he knows precisely what's going on.  Fortunately for him with Aary, Aary made her thoughts very clear.  However, when Dan doesn't know what's going on, he can be very emotionally unstable and vulnerable.  Far from the stubborn Dan we know when he's in control of a situation.

My wings tried to make me coffee!
Title: Re: 7/17/06 - Cheating, the non-Balco way.
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on July 18, 2006, 06:33:15 AM
Good point. And Abel is *very* *very* good at keeping people on their toes.

... I wonder if Dan will revert back to Adventurer Skills and show himself to be much *better* at keeping his balance with a sword in his hand? I note that way back, just after the coffee incident, he seemed to find solace in holding one of his swords - quite possibly, although offscreen and hence unknowable (unless Amber decides to let us in on it :-) doing some sort of kata with it.

Thinks, thinks, thinks.
Title: Re: 7/17/06 - Cheating, the non-Balco way.
Post by: Rowne on July 18, 2006, 06:37:19 AM
Oh my, Dan might either end up stronger thanks to this or he might end up mentally broken to the point of no return.  So the end result is that we'll either see a Dan that's more confident and less of an idiot or we'll see a Dan that's out to ...

Freud: You know vat you must do, you must keell zem, keell zem all ...
Dan: Ye~es.
Title: Re: 7/17/06 - Cheating, the non-Balco way.
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on July 18, 2006, 08:47:23 AM
Quote from: Rowne on July 18, 2006, 06:37:19 AM
...or we'll see a Dan that's out to ...

... sit in a corner muttering "Can't sleep, Abel will get me. Can't sleep, Abel will get me. Can't sleep, Abel will get me..." ?
Title: Re: 7/17/06 - Cheating, the non-Balco way.
Post by: Rowne on July 18, 2006, 08:57:58 AM
Maybe, it could go either way with Dan.  I was personally thinking of the fanweek skit where he had a dream about killing a fellow adventurer.

That and I really want to see a DMFA character go over the deep end thanks to an imaginary freud... er, friend.
Title: Re: 7/17/06 - Cheating, the non-Balco way.
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on July 18, 2006, 09:16:21 AM
Was that a freudian slip, there, Rowne? You know, where you say one thing and mean your mother? :-)
Title: Re: 7/17/06 - Cheating, the non-Balco way.
Post by: Aisha deCabre on July 18, 2006, 03:44:25 PM
((Post carried over from the other forum...warning.  :p ))

Haha! Now that's a perfect thing to do...torture without actual pain. IE, the dreaded tickle.  :P  Actually, when I was a kid, I had what felt like nightmares about being tickled under the armpits.   :erk

An interesting insight from the comic though...Cubi seem to be an interesting bunch, emotions either out in the open or hidden cleverly, or perhaps being bluffed, avoiding the potential emotion-jammer.

I remember hearing about how, with people, males (and not only is this out of habit, but it seems they're "programmed" to this...) have a worse time talking about their feelings than females. They use only one part of their brain for contemplating emotions, while the other half is tuned for thinking about what they are talking about. Females contemplate and speak with both sides of their brains, so it's easier to speak feelings.

With Cubi, it seems, feelings, male or female, don't seem to have much of a boundary. Literally they feed on said feelings and emit many of the same things on their own, yeah?...So, Cubi males could, if out of habit, be a little more apt to letting their feelings be known just a bit more than say, your average being male...who of course always keeps his thoughts to himself.

Heh, I just HAVE to bring this up...perhaps this is why there sometimes is a confusion with what alignment a Cubus's "preferences" are.  I say it's just something to think about...but until I get it from a source, or am missing something...Abel's straight.   :cool
Title: Re: 7/17/06 - Cheating, the non-Balco way.
Post by: Drake Manaweilder on July 18, 2006, 04:37:43 PM
I personally see Dan (amidst a fit of giggles) remembering Fi, calling him, then warping back to Lost lake to rub it in... or at least taunt him a bit.

Dan:  :mowtongue
Abel:  :U
Title: Re: 7/17/06 - Cheating, the non-Balco way.
Post by: Tapewolf on July 18, 2006, 05:00:04 PM
Quote from: Drake Manaweilder on July 18, 2006, 04:37:43 PM
I personally see Dan (amidst a fit of giggles) remembering Fi, calling him, then warping back to Lost lake to rub it in... or at least taunt him a bit.

Yeah.  If he doesn't, maybe we could ask TalonR or someone to draw it, because it has to be done. :twisted
Title: Re: 7/17/06 - Cheating, the non-Balco way.
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on July 19, 2006, 08:45:11 AM
Quote from: Drake Manaweilder on July 18, 2006, 04:37:43 PM
I personally see Dan (amidst a fit of giggles) remembering Fi, calling him, then warping back to Lost lake to rub it in... or at least taunt him a bit.

Dan:  :mowtongue
Abel:  :U

... and still losing. :-)
Title: Re: 7/17/06 - Cheating, the non-Balco way.
Post by: Zedd on July 19, 2006, 08:52:09 AM
Quote from: Rowne on July 18, 2006, 06:26:56 AM
I truly can see Fa'Lina doing that.  *Nod.*


My wings tried to make me coffee!

Are you nuts! *throttles you liek mr. ragmuffin*