Hnn...Devin and Abel at the creek. For some reason I think Devin and Abel will both find out he's a cubi there...but that's just me. *shrug*
Im sorry but I kinda almost beat you to the punch almosts...
Quote from: Zedd on September 23, 2006, 12:17:55 AM
Im sorry but I kinda almost beat you to the punch almosts...
Almost xD By a little less then a minute, eh? Doesn't matter to me which one we keep up, as long as there's a thread for Abel's arc.
That'll kill any adventuring career before it starts.
Quote from: Manawolf on September 23, 2006, 12:22:29 AM
That'll kill any adventuring career before it starts.
Unless of course they found a quick and effective way to kill things without blood. My friend and I were discussing different types of magic and whether or not mages that dealt with air based magic could deprive their opponant's lungs of air...
Well, at least now we won't be wondering who dies to make Abel get his phobia. n_n
Amber and Abel are bothing experincing the same problem...Very tender tummys..But I do hope the creek is clean..I mean..Yesh..Some animals do their bussiness in there O.o; But seriously the tender tummy bit..Quite ironic
Quote from: Zedd on September 23, 2006, 12:24:53 AM
Amber and Abel are bothing experincing the same problem...Very tender tummys..But I do hope the creek is clean..I mean..Yesh..Some animals do their bussiness in there O.o; But seriously the tender tummy bit..Quite ironic
...the creek no longer seems all that clean to me o_o; Ewww
Maybe it's upset tummy day? Hn, which I missed because I had a headache today, not an upset stomache. *pout*
Musta been born with it I guess...
What do you do against things that don't have to breath, then? Plus, you still end up with a dead body, and that very fact may be what's freaking Abel, not just the sight of blood (that's just an aspect of it).
"He rose to power in bloodless coup...all stranglings."
Edit: Here's the stuff. He either has Necrophobia, or Hematophobia (fear of blood).
:mowdizzy ew! gross blood and stuff.
Quote from: Manawolf on September 23, 2006, 12:30:15 AM
What do you do against things that don't have to breath, then? Plus, you still end up with a dead body, and that very fact may be what's freaking Abel, not just the sight of blood (that's just an aspect of it).
"He rose to power in bloodless coup...all stranglings."
Edit: Here's the stuff. He either has Necrophobia, or Hematophobia (fear of blood).
Ah, yeah...I guess Abel's adventuring career is already down the tube, then ^^;
Heh. Proof that Abel has had a problem with blood since childhood.
And likely evidence pointing that his problem is probably not caused by trauma, as such trauma would more likely than not already have been shown already in the story. :P
Gah..poor Abel ;;
Now...Devin and Abel at the Creek...alone....
the mixed-breed smirks as an idea runs through her mind.
I have this eerie premonition that we've just seen the last of Spotty. I hope I'm wrong, he's kinda cool.
Quote from: Slipdance on September 23, 2006, 12:53:31 AM
I have this eerie premonition that we've just seen the last of Spotty. I hope I'm wrong, he's kinda cool.
That thought hadn't even run through my mind. D:
Not Xander! He's so spiffy >< Aw, I hope he doesn't get killed.
Hn, if he does, would it be by whatever killed the other people or by something else? *ponders*
Oh god, I just had the worst parody in mind.
"Maybe he's born with it, maybe it's abelline"
What's with the black panels? Is that Abel's POV passed out? xD
*Charline snickers* Abel, you wuss! Even Charles isn't that squeamish! Of course, he still can't make it through watching those surgery shows on TV without squirming a bit, but Abel looks like he'd be unconscious if he were forced to watch it.
*Charles is reminded of the second part of the "Who's Cartman's Father" episode of South Park, and Stan's weak stomach* Yes, I can hear the needle scraping against the bone... Dude you barfed into the incision! Heh, I suspect Abel would behave quite similarly. >:3
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on September 23, 2006, 01:01:18 AM
Oh god, I just had the worst parody in mind.
"Maybe he's born with it, maybe it's abelline"
:laugh
Up the Creek without a Canoe! D:
So I herd u like mudkips. :B
...
Baaaad.
Y'know, I'm kinda drawn to Devin's face in that second panel.
Quote from: RJ on September 23, 2006, 01:31:34 AM
So I herd u like mudkips. :B
...
Baaaad.
Yah, I noticed that too when I first open the page. I was like
(http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l229/C-P_06/wtfowl.jpg)
Pokemon? Is there Pokemon present?
I'm just assuming it was a random thing Amber remembered from the old forum. So big argument about an image or other. It was boring. :B
Quote from: ×HaZ×MaT× on September 23, 2006, 01:06:47 AM
What's with the black panels? Is that Abel's POV passed out? xD
It's symbolic of the darkness within their souls... which are black, like this rose...
Nah, it's probably just used to avoid both overcrowding and excessive white space.
Or maybe not... WHO KNOWS? (perhaps the Shadow?)
Quote from: Roureem Egas on September 23, 2006, 01:44:30 AM
I'm just assuming it was a random thing Amber remembered from the old forum. So big argument about an image or other. It was boring. :B
It's a 4chan meme based upon a comment made at deviantArt.
Now Devin and Abel will be alone by the creek...
*cue porno music*
Well aint that quante....I am sure Abby is fine
What's with all the porn lately? D: Even in another forum I go to, we've been talking more about porn than we ever have! It's like national porn week or something! :B
Quote from: Reese Tora on September 23, 2006, 12:42:14 AM
Heh. Proof that Abel has had a problem with blood since childhood.
No, it's just that he became a librarian instead of an adventurer. If he sticks around with it enough he'd get over it. I still say the haemophobia comes later (it has to be pretty bad to last 400 years).
isn't haemophobia just one's natural instincts over-reacting?
funny to think about a creature like 'cubi (who are often the predators) who would have this sort of instinct :P
About Xander - he's already searched the building alone and come back to tell the tale. He's also an adventurer capable of taking down an Angel and quite possibly a Creature himself. Abel is arguably the weak link here.
I wouldnt say weak link but you follow real point there Jak
A brief prediction for the future. Abel, down by the creek, gets his second headwings. Since he's already freaked out he really loses it and starts slinging magic everywhere in his panic. Devin shows up about here; he already has called Abel a demon before, and now he sees Abel with all the features of a rather nasty breed of demon going crazy soon after they see evidense of a demon's handywork. The procedure's pretty obvious.
I not sure if you can have Hemophobia from birth but I'm sure its not impossible. All phobias are an over the top reaction to a perceived danger and pretty much all of them are connected to one or more of three things, death, insanity or being maimed. Its pretty much instinctive to know blood should stay inside the body, so it could be your mind interpreters a bloody mess as "I'm next".
Oh and Cubi would be bloodless feeders soul sucking probably doesn't leave any physical wounds.
On the kill the adventuring cCareer topic I imagine Fa'lina is heavily anti adventure seeing her reaction to Merv and the fact her whole clan was killed by them, this probably who be passed on to Abel.
How doe you work the add quote feature by the way?
Hematophobia, folks. Hematophobia. I think Niles from Frasier had it too (just to name an example).
hematophobia is a synonyme for hemophobia :meh
Quote from: Weleho Rogan on September 23, 2006, 11:45:37 AM
hematophobia is a synonym for hemophobia :meh
...and haemophobia is the UK English version.
I'm not sure Abel's about to get his headwings yet - I think he needs a bit more emotional energy first (from someone else, I might add - not his own). Besides which, I don't see even Devin going to blame him for something which happened while Abel was with them and for something which Abel couldn't stomach..
Quote from: Boogeyman on September 23, 2006, 09:23:47 AM
A brief prediction for the future. Abel, down by the creek, gets his second headwings. Since he's already freaked out he really loses it and starts slinging magic everywhere in his panic. Devin shows up about here; he already has called Abel a demon before, and now he sees Abel with all the features of a rather nasty breed of demon going crazy soon after they see evidense of a demon's handywork. The procedure's pretty obvious.
Who do you think he is, Ballos?
Dont worry...Be worried much when Zedd sprouted his head wings too...He cried liek for 2 days and a half till someone slugged him in the jaw
i'm pretty sure your own stories don't count.
the process of getting wings doesn't seem to be painful in any way
http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_303.php
Dan's misery due to wings is caused by him not wanting to be a 'cubi
Quote from: Weleho Rogan on September 23, 2006, 05:29:38 AM
isn't haemophobia just one's natural instincts over-reacting?
funny to think about a creature like 'cubi (who are often the predators) who would have this sort of instinct :P
Heh, one of my first incarnations on Furc was a Haemophobic Vampire... but people said that was lame so I turned him into an 'igor' like sidekick who liked to boss people about...
Quote from: Weleho Rogan on September 23, 2006, 12:57:38 PM
the process of getting wings doesn't seem to be painful in any way
http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_303.php
Dan's misery due to wings is caused by him not wanting to be a 'cubi
Actually, previous strips show that the headwings induce headaches before finally sprouting.
Quote from: Manawolf on September 23, 2006, 01:09:29 PM
Quote from: Weleho Rogan on September 23, 2006, 12:57:38 PM
the process of getting wings doesn't seem to be painful in any way
http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_303.php
Dan's misery due to wings is caused by him not wanting to be a 'cubi
Actually, previous strips show that the headwings induce headaches before finally sprouting.
Not quite: http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_488.php
Quote from: Manawolf on September 23, 2006, 01:09:29 PM
Quote from: Weleho Rogan on September 23, 2006, 12:57:38 PM
the process of getting wings doesn't seem to be painful in any way
Dan's misery due to wings is caused by him not wanting to be a 'cubi
Actually, previous strips show that the headwings induce headaches before finally sprouting.
True, but he also has headaches afterwards as well. Fa'lina then demonstrates that this is caused by his lacking a mental shield.
That said, I think it was the overload which allowed his headwings to appear. Amber said it was like his energy reserves reached a certain point which allowed/caused them to form. If you cast spells a lot it would probably be less painful, but it seems to me it would also take longer for your headwings to appear since you'd be siphoning off the energy they need.
ITOS seems to have got there first..
I have a wonderful friend...who has had a phobia of needles for almost as long as I can remember. She's never had any bad incident involving needles...in fact she's said that outside of her own panic and paranoia all the doctors who have ever had to use needles were very professional and trauma-free. She's just always been scared of them.
I've never understood why some people insist that there has to be some major traumatic event to really alter someones psyche. Not every serial killer has had events in his past that pushed him over the edge...nor not every extreme-feminist has had horrible abuse suffered that has caused her to be resentful.
Granted upcoming events might not be the most helpful to the situation or issue...but it doesn't necessarily mean they are the cause and reason...
Hmm today's comic made me think about this one: http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_625.php
Seeing as Devin's hands are pretty bloody
wow well done :)
Abel even tries to say something beginning with "han", he could be trying to say something about hands...
(stuff I've heard about phobias:
Some phobias are given by birth, but almost any phobia can be aquired by traumatic events.. some traumas are gained by 'experience', which is not necessarily anything traumatic. It is possible, that some reaction a person notices as a baby reflects on the person later on in life, an example of this would be arachnophobia which is one of the most common phobias. Any trauma can be cured some way, but firth given phobias which are usually natural instincts over-reacting (for example, haphephobia - fear of touch) when a person feels that every touch is an attempt to attack, offend, so on :) Even this can be gained through trauma but many many phobias are birth given, such as fear of heights which I had as a kid. There was no explanation for my fear of heights, also it didn't occur when flying in a cessna, only when it was a building or such :B then it just disappeared.)
Abel and Devin... together... wet... :mowhappy
We all have phobia in one case or another. But in Abel's case something must have happen early on in his life before he met Devin. It has to be that event that made Abel *well* Abel.............................
Quote from: Weleho Rogan on September 23, 2006, 03:35:48 PM
wow well done :)
Abel even tries to say something beginning with "han", he could be trying to say something about hands...
(stuff I've heard about phobias:
Some phobias are given by birth, but almost any phobia can be aquired by traumatic events.. some traumas are gained by 'experience', which is not necessarily anything traumatic. It is possible, that some reaction a person notices as a baby reflects on the person later on in life, an example of this would be arachnophobia which is one of the most common phobias. Any trauma can be cured some way, but firth given phobias which are usually natural instincts over-reacting (for example, haphephobia - fear of touch) when a person feels that every touch is an attempt to attack, offend, so on :) Even this can be gained through trauma but many many phobias are birth given, such as fear of heights which I had as a kid. There was no explanation for my fear of heights, also it didn't occur when flying in a cessna, only when it was a building or such :B then it just disappeared.)
Ooooh...he coulda been saying something about hands! *thinks if she knows of anything else that begins with 'han' that could be in Abel's arc* Good catch O_o
How old were you when it just disappeared? I've had a bad fear of heights since I was born and I can't even go on the second story of in-progress houses...I can't even go on the stairs of them, gosh darnit ><
Hiya Abel, I've come to clean up!
Hu--? *GLORP!*
Oh Devin, you cad.
I'm eager to see where this is going though and personally, I'm wondering what Xander saw in the last panel. His tail has this "WTF?!" expression to it. I'm likely just reading too much into that, though.
I just noticed that the headaches of Dan might occur due to his inability to control the emotion flow that comes into his head.
http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_670.php
Quote from: Amber Panyko on September 23, 2006, 01:16:07 PM
I have a wonderful friend...who has had a phobia of needles for almost as long as I can remember. She's never had any bad incident involving needles...in fact she's said that outside of her own panic and paranoia all the doctors who have ever had to use needles were very professional and trauma-free. She's just always been scared of them.
*shudders* Cursed needles! Oh how I hate you! But like your friend, I never had anything bad happen with needles before... I JUST HATE THEM!! I can never watch when they stick me (or others) with one.
Well me I was afraid of heights then I went to a six story building and went out to the fire escape all night. It cured my phobia of heights. So I got others but slowly and surley will cure them. Until then have a nice day :P
As others know my health wasn't the best and even after constant needles, I'm still not over my serious dislike over them and likely never will. Heck, I've (accendently) cut myself with knives and stared at it as if it was nothing, but I still hate those needles.
*James dieing on a hospital bed*
Lady: *pulls out needle* We need to draw your blood so we know what's wrong with you.
Me: Do you have to?! *cries*
Quote from: Smiles on September 23, 2006, 05:52:32 PM
How old were you when it just disappeared? I've had a bad fear of heights since I was born and I can't even go on the second story of in-progress houses...I can't even go on the stairs of them, gosh darnit ><
I was 12 years old.
I have ansolutely no idea why the phobia scrammed and why it didn't occur to me ever on planes. I simply looove planes and I pity the people who fear flying from the bottom of my heart :3
Human mind, go figure :)
Quote from: James StarRunner on September 23, 2006, 06:09:42 PM
As others know my health wasn't the best and even after constant needles, I'm still not over my serious dislike over them and likely never will. Heck, I've (accendently) cut myself with knives and stared at it as if it was nothing, but I still hate those needles.
*James dieing on a hospital bed*
Lady: *pulls out needle* We need to draw your blood so we know what's wrong with you.
Me: Do you have to?! *cries*
Dang button... delete this.
I have a weird attitude with needles, I'm not so bad about people taking bits from me as long as I know what tests are going to be run, I also don't mind being injected with something as long as I know what's going in. I suppose I have more of a fear of patronizing and impatient Doctors than I do of needles.
As for heights ... I'm actually absolutely terrified of heights but for some reason, I love it. I'll get dizzy, I'll almost pass out and then I'll find myself asking; Can we do it again?!? :D This is further proof I suppose that I have little to nothing in the way of survival instincts.
hmmm.. maybe it is because nothing DIDN'T happen, right? :)
'coz if you get in a plane and enjoy the funnehs of negative G and high positive G, it's exactly the same- and I surely don't lack survival instincts considering how paranoid I can be at times :B
That's true; it could just be because he doesn't like blood. Or at least doesn't like to see blood going out in public. Can't think of many people who do, really.
Well let me tell you this when my mother was pregnant with me they injected a experimental serum for TB till the day I day I die every time I take a TB test it always come out positive. Then they take a chest x-ray and *viola* negative. All because of that serum I carried the TB in my body............. :mowsad :mowsad :mowsad
back when I was in elementray school, there was this girl who fainted 'coz one of my classmates got his knee opened big time when we were playing football. Don't know which got everyone freaked out more, girl fainting or guy having a knee with a flowing cut in it :P
But that's prolly why I decided to get as much info on first aid as possible, even if I was only 7 years old :)
Quote from: ShiningShadow on September 23, 2006, 06:23:57 PM
Well let me tell you this when my mother was pregnant with me they injected a experimental serum for TB till the day I day I die every time I take a TB test it always come out positive. Then they take a chest x-ray and *viola* negative. All because of that serum I carried the TB in my body............. :mowsad :mowsad :mowsad
I assume that you're talking to me. That sucks with the TB confusion. Everyone has their problems.
Quote from: Rowne on September 23, 2006, 06:13:36 PMAs for heights ... I'm actually absolutely terrified of heights but for some reason, I love it. I'll get dizzy, I'll almost pass out and then I'll find myself asking; Can we do it again?!? :D This is further proof I suppose that I have little to nothing in the way of survival instincts.
Much like the flashback time where Dan and Jyrras fly/glide/jump off a cliff and land in the bushes with a few scratches? ;)
Quote from: James StarRunner on September 23, 2006, 06:03:04 PM
Quote from: Amber Panyko on September 23, 2006, 01:16:07 PM
I have a wonderful friend...who has had a phobia of needles for almost as long as I can remember. She's never had any bad incident involving needles...in fact she's said that outside of her own panic and paranoia all the doctors who have ever had to use needles were very professional and trauma-free. She's just always been scared of them.
*shudders* Cursed needles! Oh how I hate you! But like your friend, I never had anything bad happen with needles before... I JUST HATE THEM!! I can never watch when they stick me (or others) with one.
I don't like needles, but I'm not sure I'm afraid of them. I didn't mind them until I got blood drawn when I was five or so and the doctor DREW A SMILEY FACE IN MY HAND >< Geez, it was a medical facility, not a tattoo parlour.
The only unexplained fear I have is fear of heights, and I even tried getting over it last summer. I was going to go in a glass elevator in an eleven story mall, but I froze up before even getting on.
You could always yell something random when getting pricked with a needle. Dunno, I always say 'rabbits!' and it seems to help. *shrugs*
Quote from: Weleho Rogan on September 23, 2006, 06:24:52 PM
back when I was in elementray school, there was this girl who fainted 'coz one of my classmates got his knee opened big time when we were playing football. Don't know which got everyone freaked out more, girl fainting or guy having a knee with a flowing cut in it :P
But that's prolly why I decided to get as much info on first aid as possible, even if I was only 7 years old :)
That's cool it shows you that you are prepared for such an emergencies.....
To this day I haven't spoken to my parents anger issues and such anywho. I think the whole medical community and such is EVIL, EVIL, EVIL. Where my MEDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: Smiles on September 23, 2006, 06:35:27 PM
You could always yell something random when getting pricked with a needle. Dunno, I always say 'rabbits!' and it seems to help. *shrugs*
I'd probably get scared of rabbits after. (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v129/jaguarstarrunner/emotes/Jamestongue.gif)
You really don't have fear of needles til you've met Dr. Schabbs.
From the 2nd episode of the oldschool Wolfenstein? Ya, I met him. Never played that episode since.
gotta love Wolfenstein and Wolfenstein:Spear of Destiny
I still find it quite funny that it was written Wolfenstein: Sod
I played those games awesome for the violence and the guns nuff said..................
Sheridan: Pretty much just like that, yes.
It's funny, when it comes to my data, I'm paranoid and protective over that. It'll likely last centuries, it'll outlast my organic existance anyway. Hopefully it'll find its way into an archive of some sort and perpetuate its existance through writ and idea.
With my life, eh. I probably take too many risks for my own good. I realize rational and calculated risks but I try not to let fear be in charge. It's just a biological response anyway. Instead I tend to go with Dan's approach, those feelings are far more appealing. I suppose it's all down to that one will only live once and all that. Probably.
I admit though that I do have knee-jerk reactions, like to blood. I'm not a big fan of blood myself.
Me I used to the blood and gore I watche every Dawn of the dead flick enough to shake a stick at and CSI. I'm used to it and it dosen't bother me at all........................
Quote from: James StarRunner on September 23, 2006, 06:39:15 PM
Quote from: Smiles on September 23, 2006, 06:35:27 PM
You could always yell something random when getting pricked with a needle. Dunno, I always say 'rabbits!' and it seems to help. *shrugs*
I'd probably get scared of rabbits after. (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v129/jaguarstarrunner/emotes/Jamestongue.gif)
Whoah.. flashback time. In high school, my geography teacher said that if, on the first day of a month the first thing you said when you woke up was "rabbit", then you would have good luck for the rest of the month. Of course, I always screwed up and mumbled something first. :rolleyes So I still have no way of knowing if he was telling the truth.
Also, I happen to have an irrational fear of wasps. Every time I hear a buzzing sound, I panic. I ended up writing an award-winning essay about it, though, so it all evens out.
Even Karma have one.................... :mowcookie :mowcookie
Im stil afraid of the dark....And I dont know why I try to hide it...
To celebrate Abel's fear, this topic needs more blood. Anyone wlling to donate? :rj
Sure thing. I donate blood all the time.
... well, I used to back in NZ. Sometimes. When I remembered. And I wasn't too busy. All right, half a dozen times or so, ok? But ihad no trouble with it, despite being on the very bottom edge for iron content, weight, and missing breakfast pretty much every day...
I'm not allowed to donate blood
Alright TGH, I'm curious now. Why not?
I don't want the thread to devolve into a political discussion and the reason has some politics behind it. So I'll just say it's because I have had sex once in my life, and cause that one time was with a guy I can never donate blood.
Wow, that's a craptastic rule. "You can't save lives ever because you've had sex in a taboo way".
But it's ok, we don't need the blood to be "good". Just not coagulated. :3
If you dont want people to ask, don't bring it up where there's people who worry about you :P
And yeah, that rule is crap. What, do they think you can CATCH gayness or something?
Quote from: Boogeyman on September 24, 2006, 11:27:39 AM
And yeah, that rule is crap. What, do they think you can CATCH gayness or something?
No, it's a precaution against HIV. I didn't know they still did that.
CJD is another good one for blood - in Canada and possibly also the US, they won't take British blood, or blood from people who have stayed in Britain or something. Afraid of the beef they are, yes..
Quote from: thegayhare on September 24, 2006, 10:43:10 AM
I don't want the thread to devolve into a political discussion and the reason has some politics behind it. So I'll just say it's because I have had sex once in my life, and cause that one time was with a guy I can never donate blood.
How can they tell? I can understand not taking blood from those known to have this that or the other disease, but it's not like they can examine you and say :analprobe "Oh, yeah, you've been doing the nasty with the wrong people, no blood giving for you."
I'm sure people are afraid and bigots to you Hare...Sides I want to give them a piece of my mind...The American way! With violance and stupidity! >:3
Can't donate blood, though I've considered it a few times.
Under the weight limit for it to be 'safe'.
Quote from: Janus Whitefurr on September 24, 2006, 04:09:27 PM
Can't donate blood, though I've considered it a few times.
Under the weight limit for it to be 'safe'.
Obviously your grandma(s) were not good at fattening you up as a child. Get this man a grandma who knows how to cook! D:<
some people just don't get fat :<
I have always eaten as much as I can, but I still have such a slim frame. It really is annoying, 'coz I'd really love to have more meat between my skin and bones, my shoulders look unnaturally wide when I wear a T-shirt.
Quote from: Tapewolf on September 24, 2006, 12:15:40 PM
No, it's a precaution against HIV. I didn't know they still did that.
CJD is another good one for blood - in Canada and possibly also the US, they won't take British blood, or blood from people who have stayed in Britain or something. Afraid of the beef they are, yes..
Interestingly, the States are all fanatical about Britain checking every single critter for Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy, but, so I'm told, only check one in a thousand of their own. Or one in ten thousand, or something horrific.
Wait, it gets better. Early signs of Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease look a lot like Altzheimers. See if you can guess what the prevalence of Altzheimers in the States, as compared to overseas, is higher by... just about what would be explained by a widespread trail of CJD...
The numbers are pretty vague, though, I haven't seen any sources, and statistics will prove whatever you want anyway, but it makes you wonder, doesn't it....
(edited to spell the diseases correctly. :-)
Yeah, we tend to put dumb people in charge. It's a bad habit.
Thats why we need smart young people in charge not old farts
llearch
thats why most contries won't import american beef
Tapewolf
I do know the suposed reason for the ban but it's still implemented badly. all donations are tested afterwards anyway pluss the rules for there "High risk" populations are unevenly enforced.
I mean a female prostitute only has to abstain from sex for pay (not from sex entirly) for 7 years before she coulf donate blood. But a gay man in a 10 year monogomous relationship is banned forever.
"tested afterwards" is all well and good, but the tests a) take time, and b) don't always catch things they should.
The problem with a) is that it slows down them moving the blood out to where they can use it - 1 unit of blood, from one person, can work out, after processing, in 8 units of various bits - the anticoagulants, the haemoglobin, the white cells, etc etc - but it takes time to get it processed, and they can't -start- until the tests are done (presumably they put more than one unit into the machine, or they'd have to strip it down completely after each unit, or something) and every hospital is pretty much -always- short of blood - shortly after 9/11 in the states was about the only time they've had excess. Seriously.
Bear in mind that one person in a car accident may use up 4 units of blood in the ambulance on the way -to- the hospital - often with enough holes in them that the blood goes in one side and out the other, and the only reason it's being poked in is to keep the blood pressure of the patient above zero... usage in hospitals can go -way- above what you can cope with in mobile units....
The problem with b) is obvious. :-/
Not that I'm criticising you, here, Bunnyboy. I agree, the rules are silly, in some cases. Just thought I'd drop my 2p into the water and see what it did to the oil on the top... :-)
I'm pretty sure there's a lawsuit in this situation somewhere...
My complaint is that they have made donating blood is a pain in the... arm. The Red Cross makes you read like 10 pages of basicly how everything you might do is evil. Only after you've signed that you've read all the pages do they give you THE FORM where you have to testify that you've never done any evil blood polluting things, like leave the country, get a tattoo or piercing, eat beef, have sex, use drugs, know anyone who has sex or uses drugs, ever have any health problem (except asthma), had a shot (even from your doctor), had the sniffles in the past year, etc. Then, after you've signed the paperwork that you haven't done anything to mess up their pretty blood you have to go behind the screen to put on the secret bar code to tell them if you lied when you signed the paperwork.
And then they whine about not getting enough donators. Sometimes I want to shout "How many vegan virgins imprisoned in antiseptic bubbles do you think there are?"
I prefer to donate directly to the hospital. Less bull****, comfy chairs, and they give tee-shirts.
D: They give t-shirts? ...all we've been getting is aprons.
I should go donate plasma. More painful, actually leaves you lightheaded, and earns you a couple hundred bucks. >.>
Can I have one your aprons kitty boy?
I've got a ton of black aprons from work, never been used
I forget the legistics, but I think the Red Cross is actually not a government-operated system but more a volunteer and non-profit institution...which can unfortunately mean they can pull particular rules on certain things. It also means that changes can be very very slow. However I do think in Indiana's blood-drive groups...the questionarre actually asks if you have ever had gay sex(unprotected) before a particular period of time.
*checks the official site*
QuoteHIV, AIDS
You should not give blood if you have AIDS or have ever had a positive HIV test, or if you have done something that puts you at risk for becoming infected with HIV.
You are at risk for getting infected if you:
* have ever used needles to take drugs, steroids, or anything not prescribed by your doctor
* are a male who has had sexual contact with another male, even once, since 1977
* have ever taken money, drugs or other payment for sex since 1977
* have had sexual contact in the past 12 months with anyone described above
* received clotting factor concentrates for a bleeding disorder such as hemophilia
* were born in, or lived in, Cameroon, Central African Republic, Chad, Congo, Equatorial Guinea,Gabon, Niger, or Nigeria, since 1977.
* since 1977, received a blood transfusion or medical treatment with a blood product in any of these countries, or
* had sex with anyone who, since 1977, was born in or lived in any of these countries. Learn more about HIV Group O, and the specific African countries where it is found.
The big cutoff date is 1977...most likely since that was when laws and regulations and the push for contraceptives really took off. I really have no intention to pry into TGH's personal affairs. But I guess it is one of the unfortunate side effects that the gay community is still somewhat under tighter scrutiny in terms of HIV. This might change later on as the generations roll over though.
When I can I try to give blood...but odds are once I am in Canada it will be a while before I do such things again.
Hmmmm well thats kinda harsh when you think about it...But serioously thanks to spred a point across Amber but any place should adcept blood no matter what...Sides...Its not like I am a vampire or anything but geeze...Donating blood is taken too seriously now
Testing donated blood is a big problem. It's very costly so they try to limit the risks as much as possible. They can only afford to test batches of blood, so if one contaminant gets it, they have to scrap the whole batch. And lawsuits are another huge problem. One person gets HIV from blood, all the lawyers in the region suddenly get the dollar-sign eyeballs. Of course, now that HIV is everywhere, it hardly matters anymore. The last time I gave blood, I was asked about any sexual activity at all. There's also the risk of hepatitis viruses and bacterial diseases they ask about.
And I feel your pain, Janus. Until I finished college I was technically anorexic with a BMI of 12. I was 5' 9" and weighed 105! But I ate about 4000 calories a day! My metabolism was through the roof. :)
As for CJD, it's clinical pathology is very different from Alzheimer's and involves a different protein: prior-precursor protein versus beta-amyloid. Alzheimer's plaques are also different than prion disease plaques. The diagnosis can now be easily made with an immunohistochemical assay. (works in biomedicine)
The cutoff date of 1977 is due to, as I recall, the date that they believe HIV began to suddenly explode in prevalence and spread internationally. They have actually discovered why HIV is lethal in humans while SIV does very little to chimps and monkeys. Their T-cells have a very high expression level of a particular receptor protein which interferes with SIV's binding efficiency to the immune cells. Humans have far less of this cell surface protein and thus HIV binds far more easily. This discovery is a major breakthrough and could lead to a drug to simulate the effect, or we could genetically engineer everyone to overexpress the receptor... I like the latter idea. Playing with humanity's genes appeals to me. >:3
Quote from: Zedd on September 25, 2006, 12:50:36 AM
Hmmmm well thats kinda harsh when you think about it...But serioously thanks to spred a point across Amber but any place should adcept blood no matter what...Sides...Its not like I am a vampire or anything but geeze...Donating blood is taken too seriously now
You kid right? There was a reason some inner-city areas stopped offering money for donations due to the issue where people would try to donate their blood and plasma in order to pay for illigal things?
I don't agree with some of the legal-hurdles involved, but I can understand the reasons behind it. There needs to be standards in terms of donation because when you are using a blood transfusion...there is few things worse than finding out that transfusion has faulty effects or worse...some form of transmittable deseise in it.
Donating blood is a volunteer project. And as such, the volunteers should be responsible...even if that means they are responsible only by not donating blood rather than running possible risks by lying on the tests because they feel its the better thing to do. While I don't think banning gay-males from donations is fair, I respect TGH for being honest about the situation and not trying to skirt the rules they put down. It is after all...their loss.
But no Zed. I dont think places should accept blood no matter what. There are lots of dangerous factors out there...and there is the possibility that some tests might miss something. It is far better to cut down the risks as much as possible, even if it means being somewhat callous and cruel to a minority.
In the Philippines commercial blood banks have just been phased out. Partly because its in injurious to the people who will recieve the blood [Even with all the tests, its not possible to rule out all kind of blood related sickness from it] and because people abuse themselves, some people would even try to sell their blood once a week to different commercial blood banks for money.
I donated blood once, I dont mind the forms, when I decided I wanted to do some good, I knew that it wouldnt be as simple as go there, get poked by a needle and get a cookie. Id be more pissed if I donated all my blood then it brings sickness to someone else.
I know...I was agreeing with Gay amber...And plus I know..Its their loss
Yeah so I could have had fun 2 years before I was born
Ohh I'm just pissy cause there is always a shortage of blood. Especialy durring deasasters I don't have money, or alot of time I could donate so it just frustrates me that I can't even do that little bit.
I understand the arguments for an against
It's just a sore spot with me
*shrugs*
Sowwy
That's Okay TGH those thing cannot be your fault and you should not blame yourself.............
-We- like you. Does that make up for it? :-)
I enjoy leaning about Abel, I never know he had a hard life.
Quote from: Demont on September 27, 2006, 03:48:37 AM
I enjoy leaning about Abel, I never know he had a hard life.
*looks left and right*
Heh,
I'd give Abel a hard life :mwaha
Oh come on you gave Abel a hard life to begin with try not make it worse or else Abel will suckerpunch you before you know it...................
and then HE VILL BURY HYU with crates :laugh
anyone get it? :P
Yah. Und den ve get a drink, no? Ve ain't no veak, tea-drinking moon-cows like de Baron's airship crew.
:-)
yay :)
you get the points :P
but there's more to it than that ;)
Really I thought we get points for our intelligent way to see thing or say hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Maybe I'm mistaken on this maybe I just a dumb blonde here........... :laugh :laugh
Unless you're blonde, you probably shouldn't say you're a dumb blonde o.o
Nah brunette but As I see it as the story progress. You will see the real Abel as we see today..................