So I guess that he was bored and just decided that Taking over Cid's family was a good way to pass time.
Man I really am starting to hate Aniz.
*fixed the date- Damaris*
*added page number - Meech*
funny. He's just listed approximately half of the reasons that have been speculated on the boards here since he was unveiled.
So was this comic inspired by our endless speculation on the boards, or was it all just a coincidence that she planned all along?
Well, I think we do know a few things for sure, now.
1: Cid and May were married before Cid died.
2: Cid was "replaced" during one adventure(or maybe not. See superluser's post.)
3: Aniz wasn't taking care of May because he felt guilty after killing Cid
4: Aniz does not have some ulterior motive for taking Cid's place. In fact, it seems he didn't have any motive whatsoever.
'course, I could be thinking wrong. I'm good at that! :P
Fuyu, I'm pretty sure that Amber stated the plot of Abel's Story was planned in advance.
I'm lost for comments, other than: Aniz's eyes look feminine in the middle panel.
be silly not to do it that way, but inserting a "throwaway" page isn't too hard. Maybe I could come up with a more valid argument if I actually had a look under the hood about how other artists do webcomics, but from what I've seen, there's no standard of any sort.
According to Abel's cast page, we know that his clan is very few, maybe Aniz took the opportunity to get more members.
Also I'm unsure why Abel hasn't barfed yet because of his mother's bloody nose
Aaaaaaaaaaaaand part of me holds on to hope that this is basically EXACTLY why Aniz did it but throwing all this deception on top lets him get away and (ironically enough) inflict the *least* damage reasonably possible.
But in all likelyhood? Kill him with FIRE. :mowignore
Quote from: Meech on May 12, 2007, 01:02:13 AMSo I guess that he was bored and just decided that Taking over Cid's family was a good way to pass time.
Sounds doubtful. I know I wouldn't want to get trapped alive in a coffin, which must be how Cid's life felt to Aniz.
Quote from: Meech on May 12, 2007, 01:02:13 AMMan I really am starting to hate Aniz.
On the contrary. Panels 3 and 4 seem very realistic, though I'm still at a loss as to what reality they are part of. I've been known to scare off deer, if they don't run from me. It's not good for them to be unafraid of man.
Perhaps Aniz is doing that, and he's not actually as impatient as he's playing. Fa'Lina did that, too. It might be a way to convince Abel that he can't take his life (or anyone else's--or anyone else, for that matter) at face value. In which case, as soon as Abel leaves, Aniz will take to self-absorbed brooding.
I still don't understand the slap, in that case. Unless May knew beforehand and consented. Surely there must be other, more creative ways to prove to Abel that he's evil, like perhaps slowly peeling Abel's skin off to prove that it will regenerate. Or foie gras. That's pretty evil, too.
P.S. Amber missed a perfect opportunity to reference ``All that David Copperfield kind of crap.''
Quote from: Fuyudenki on May 12, 2007, 01:08:07 AM2: Cid was "replaced" during one adventure
Aniz doesn't necessarily claim that. He could have killed Cid when he was on the way to the grocer's, and only figured out that he was an adventurer, later.
Im sure we will find out soon enough people..I have people to kill..Its my birthday and I can slay who I want to...slay who I want to... :idol
I find it amusing that the only thing we can be fairly sure that Aniz isn't lying about is that he's probably lying about everything... And we can't even trust that.
I know Occam's razor says what he say is most likely true, but it's hardly an accurate source - in which case I've a feeling we're not going to find out why all of this happened... which I'm sure will mess up Abel even more, whatever happens to Fake-Cid.
Now are you guys convinced he's a jerk and nothing but a jerk?
Quote from: Regal on May 12, 2007, 02:43:42 AM
Now are you guys convinced he's a jerk and nothing but a jerk?
Never! He's just trying to spare people's feelings by making them think he's a jerk so that when he leaves they won't miss him! YEAH! THAT'S IT!
:eager
Quote from: superluser on May 12, 2007, 01:30:21 AM
Quote from: Meech on May 12, 2007, 01:02:13 AMSo I guess that he was bored and just decided that Taking over Cid's family was a good way to pass time.
Sounds doubtful. I know I wouldn't want to get trapped alive in a coffin, which must be how Cid's life felt to Aniz.
What makes you so sure? I mean, to an experienced Cubi, how long is 25 years really? It seems entirely feasible that some Cubi might plays games that drag on for decades.
I am reasonably sure that Abel is Aniz's son. I bet Aniz will be really thrilled that Abel has already been 'blooded' in battle and thinks that maybe a warrior may be made of a whimp Abel here ...
Quote from: ??? (Hellcat) on May 12, 2007, 01:23:48 AM
Also I'm unsure why Abel hasn't barfed yet because of his mother's bloody nose
Yeah, I brought that up in the last thread, too. And like I said before...
PLOT HOLE, AMBER! :raspberry
Quote from: techmaster-glitch on May 12, 2007, 03:57:44 AM
Quote from: ??? (Hellcat) on May 12, 2007, 01:23:48 AM
Also I'm unsure why Abel hasn't barfed yet because of his mother's bloody nose
Yeah, I brought that up in the last thread, too. And like I said before...
PLOT HOLE, AMBER! :raspberry
His other emotions are probably just over-riding his phobia.
A lot of stuff is happening and his mind is probably a huge mess. Chances are he probably hasn't even registered that her nose is bloody, just she's hurt.
It's good to see Abel looking a little more forceful, rather than cowering behind the nearest convenient shelter.
I must say that I am a little disappointed.
The last page already did almost nothing to further the plot and this page even more so.
Reading Abel's story is becoming quite frustrating to me.
We already know that Aniz is a jerk, even without spreading an information over more than one page that could be compressed in two panels.
Makes me wanna do a music video soon
Quote from: kaskar on May 12, 2007, 03:38:13 AM
I am reasonably sure that Abel is Aniz's son. I bet Aniz will be really thrilled that Abel has already been 'blooded' in battle and thinks that maybe a warrior may be made of a whimp Abel here ...
Reasonably? Dude, he's been playing Cid since before Abel was conceived. What more do you need?
Quote from: Roureem Egas on May 12, 2007, 01:11:35 AM
Fuyu, I'm pretty sure that Amber stated the plot of Abel's Story was planned in advance.
From what I gather, she's planned the core story in advance but how it is finally presented is decided somewhat closer to the day. IIRC she said there were about six different punchlines for #540 and the most difficult part was choosing from them.
Aniz surely has to have a motive. It might be "To see whether I could", "I was bored", "because it was there", "It seemed like a good idea at the time" or something equally trivial, but I don't see an easily-distracted incubus sticking with a charade which caused him noticeable discomfort for 25 years for absolutely no reason at all.
Heck, perhaps he's forgotten why and he's too proud to admit it. :mwaha
Quote from: Zedd on May 12, 2007, 04:39:22 AM
Makes me wanna do a music video soon
I do not grok.
Oh snap, I Just noticed that the shape of the wrist guards that "Cid" was wearing are similar to the wrist of the shadowy hand we see from Kria's teacher. Or did someone else already notice this?
Quote from: Goatmon on May 12, 2007, 05:43:41 AM
Oh snap, I Just noticed that the shape of the wrist guards that "Cid" was wearing are similar to the wrist of the shadowy hand we see from Kria's teacher. Or did someone else already notice this?
http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php?topic=2664.0
Amber seems to be implying he isn't. There are a number of ways of parsing this, though - she might be agreeing with Bill, for instance. Besides, as Superluser said, Amber might have figured that a coke was worth the price for messing with some heads.
I wasn't implying anything, just stating an "Oooh, what if". And Amber's post was just as likely to be a gag as it was to be an actual challenge.
Another theory (that propably has been posted in another topic already) about the Why could be that - he, well, really just loves to mess up things. If he feeds from confusion like Abel, he might currently just try to get the highest kick out of the whole thing by confusing everyone as much as possible... - in a way, including the readers...
Not much you can really take from this page at all. Aniz as much as admits that he's been lying, and still could be. The one thing you do see in all this is how completely lacking in conscience he is and skilled at deception.
If he feels anything, he'd never reveal it. Showing how he feels would make him vulnerable and open to attack. He obviously trusts no one, even those he's been around for .... Hey, come to think of it, doesn't this sound a LOT like Abel? Maybe Abel is more like Aniz than he thought. Maybe he hates himself for it. Then again, given the way he is, we'll probably never know.
You may be onto something there, Rafe. Your posts are always an interesting read. :)
Quote from: Goatmon on May 12, 2007, 03:23:00 AMWhat makes you so sure? I mean, to an experienced Cubi, how long is 25 years really? It seems entirely feasible that some Cubi might plays games that drag on for decades.
We've been over this before. `Cubi live approximately 100 times longer than we do. So divide everything by 100. 25 years becomes .25 years, or three months.
Would you play a game that occupied all of your time (or at least, the majority) and dragged on for three months?
After reading the comic, I thought ' That sure was a slap in the face'
I find in amusing even though it dosent move the story forward any.
Quote from: superluser on May 12, 2007, 07:13:27 AM
Quote from: Goatmon on May 12, 2007, 03:23:00 AMWhat makes you so sure? I mean, to an experienced Cubi, how long is 25 years really? It seems entirely feasible that some Cubi might plays games that drag on for decades.
We've been over this before. `Cubi live approximately 100 times longer than we do. So divide everything by 100. 25 years becomes .25 years, or three months.
Would you play a game that occupied all of your time (or at least, the majority) and dragged on for three months?
Super, really. Just because they live longer dosnt mean a day is any shorter for them. 25 years is still 25 years to them even if its only 3 months in their lives.
I do agree though, pretty long elaborat game to play for only a few minutes of pleasure, unless he plans to tourture them for a few years.
Quote from: Ouari on May 12, 2007, 07:21:56 AMSuper, really. Just because they live longer dosnt mean a day is any shorter for them. 25 years is still 25 years to them even if its only 3 months in their lives.
I might agree with that, but you've mischaracterized the point that I was trying to make. Goatmon was claiming that a day was shorter to them. My point was that, even if we accept that, it's not enough of a difference.
QuoteI do agree though, pretty long elaborat game to play for only a few minutes of pleasure, unless he plans to tourture them for a few years.
I don't know. Assuming this is the sort of emotion Aniz feeds on, consider how much time and effort (not to mention money) some people will put in to a gourmet meal. Perhaps it's the cubi equivalent of 200 year eggs or vintage wine. ^.^
You know what? Aniz is ace. You look at how Abel portrays himself to Dan at first, there's a lot of Aniz in there. Also Devin.
Oh, Abel, when will we see the real you?
The similarities in behaviour have me thinkin that Aniz is going to have a sustained influence on Abel's life over the next while. That's a bit ace. Though it doesn't bode well for May.
Damn! Intruige.
Quote from: Goatmon on May 12, 2007, 05:23:05 AM
Quote from: kaskar on May 12, 2007, 03:38:13 AM
I am reasonably sure that Abel is Aniz's son. I bet Aniz will be really thrilled that Abel has already been 'blooded' in battle and thinks that maybe a warrior may be made of a whimp Abel here ...
Reasonably? Dude, he's been playing Cid since before Abel was conceived. What more do you need?
Well, that's what he
said, at least. Which is not the most compelling evidence. Of course, if he ISN'T, then we go introducing more characters into the situation, which probably isn't parsimonous.
Also, when was Abel 'blooded'? He ran away without trying even a single attack.
Quote from: rabid_fox on May 12, 2007, 08:05:46 AM
Oh, Abel, when will we see the real you?
'bout as soon as Jyrras cracks through that grouchykitty force field long enough to seduce him. :mowwink
Of course at that point he'll get ~super~ protective...
Chaotic Evils: Mesed up Mother****ers.
Quote from: superluser on May 12, 2007, 07:13:27 AM
Quote from: Goatmon on May 12, 2007, 03:23:00 AMWhat makes you so sure? I mean, to an experienced Cubi, how long is 25 years really? It seems entirely feasible that some Cubi might plays games that drag on for decades.
We've been over this before. `Cubi live approximately 100 times longer than we do. So divide everything by 100. 25 years becomes .25 years, or three months.
Would you play a game that occupied all of your time (or at least, the majority) and dragged on for three months?
The answer to your question is yes. People go out and buy an RPG for their PS1,2 or 3 and then spend weeks or months playing it every day to get to the end. There are RPGers who have been playing their non-electronic games for years. Aniz is an RPG addict. He just has the ability to actually become his character.
What do we do when we are bored. We find something to do. Some of us play games. Aniz takes over peoples lives and runs with them.
Quote from: techmaster-glitch on May 12, 2007, 03:57:44 AM
Quote from: ??? (Hellcat) on May 12, 2007, 01:23:48 AM
Also I'm unsure why Abel hasn't barfed yet because of his mother's bloody nose
Yeah, I brought that up in the last thread, too. And like I said before...
PLOT HOLE, AMBER! :raspberry
Sometimes you reach a point where you are just too tired to be affected by things that normally affect you. Abel has been through such hell this day I'd say he's passed that point.
Hmm. I redact what I said about me hating Aniz. The guy does have his share of mocking, evil charisma, and certainly doesn't seem afraid to rub his triumphant boasting in a distraught vicitm's face. My kind of villain.
Of course, it doesn't change the fact he's an asshat. Not any amount of hawtness will change that.
~Keaton the Black Jackal
Well if anything he's displaying atleast one motive. Hes been really, really, extremely bored. This doesn't make him any less evil then he already is, now he's just showing the full extent of his evil. :rolleyes
The fruit that falls the farthest from the tree...rember people..
First I'd like to begin by saying a hearty "Hello!" to everyone here, since this is my first post on the forum even though I have been reading DMFA for about two years now from that little land called the Netherlands (yay!). Second I'd like to say that DMFA is my abolutele number one online comic and I thank Amber for sharing the adventures of her characters with all who read them!
Now, on to the reason for my 'coming out of the lurking depths': ever since the unveiling of Aniz' identity, one picture has been figuratively 'haunting' me. It's the one where you see Abel having fun with his mother and 'father' in Devin's flashback and when Cid and Abel have even put on hats.
http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_52.php
I just can't for the life of me think about ONE evil reason for a cubi to play along with something like that, so there has to be some ulterior motive. Maybe Aniz does have feelings for Abel and even for May, but the reason that he's acting all cruel and nasty is that his performance is being watched or something. Maybe it's some sort of 'graduation' for one of the SAIA courses? I mean, there are bound to be courses on about every possible way of life for cubi's, aren't there?
But then again, I'm a 'proto-slime' on the forum where it comes to spouting theories, so I could be utterly and totally wrong to even suggest something like that.
For now, I'm gonna go back to reading and lurking and such, but who knows: maybe I'll get the hang of this!
Quote from: superluser on May 12, 2007, 07:13:27 AM
Would you play a game that occupied all of your time (or at least, the majority) and dragged on for three months?
For the Hoarde! :U
Quote from: Kragoth on May 12, 2007, 01:21:15 PM
First I'd like to begin by saying a hearty "Hello!" to everyone here, since this is my first post on the forum even though I have been reading DMFA for about two years now from that little land called the Netherlands (yay!).
But then again, I'm a 'proto-slime' on the forum where it comes to spouting theories, so I could be utterly and totally wrong to even suggest something like that.
For now, I'm gonna go back to reading and lurking and such, but who knows: maybe I'll get the hang of this!
Don't worry, Kragoth. Every is in your exact same position when they start out. Yes, some people definately won't be taking you seriously, but most people here are much more understanding and accepting than that. Take my story for instance. The beggining of the road will be somewhat tough, but just grit your teeth and accept the humiliation when you post something that starts a flamewar...against you. Actually, it is VERY doubtfull that you will f**k up THAT bad, but just in case. Just post when you think you have something intelligent to say, vist and post in the other forum areas, and before you know it, you will be right at home.... so much at home, that you can NEVER leave..... MWAHAHAHAHAHA! :mwaha
Quote from: Amber Williams on May 12, 2007, 01:44:42 PM
Quote from: superluser on May 12, 2007, 07:13:27 AM
Would you play a game that occupied all of your time (or at least, the majority) and dragged on for three months?
For the Hoarde! :U
Amen to that. Or, amen to that if I ever actually played WoW. I never have, cuz my mom won't get me anyhting with a montly fee at all, and I have absolutly no source of income except what coins I find on the ground at school, so I can't pay myself. :[
Oh man, I can never return to that game. It was cool and all, but yea the time just goes out the window. Plus the XP just ruined it for me. :sweatdrop
Heh...
Y'know, all the talking and laughing that goes on about the joys and sometimes even morality of 'cubi shape-shifting, seducing and torturing people... just doesn't feel the same when you see it happening to a character you've actually grown to care about, does it? :bat
Oh... he's good. :judges
Now, to fix that damn sig
Quote from: Kragoth on May 12, 2007, 01:21:15 PM
But then again, I'm a 'proto-slime' on the forum where it comes to spouting theories, so I could be utterly and totally wrong to even suggest something like that.
Why? Being wrong hasn't stopped anyone else, why should you let it stop you? :-]
Quote from: Amber Williams on May 12, 2007, 01:44:42 PM
For the Hoarde! :U
You know, I've been meaning to ask. Whose hoard is that? Or is a horde of hoards?
*hides*
Quote from: Violet Dusk on May 12, 2007, 07:52:09 AM
QuoteI do agree though, pretty long elaborat game to play for only a few minutes of pleasure, unless he plans to tourture them for a few years.
I don't know. Assuming this is the sort of emotion Aniz feeds on, consider how much time and effort (not to mention money) some people will put in to a gourmet meal. Perhaps it's the cubi equivalent of 200 year eggs or vintage wine. ^.^
Interesting idea! Then the "Slap" was just a bit of confusion-shock-betrayal seasoning that had to be applied just before serving, to give the dish exactly the right flavor. That's utterly sick and twisted, but for now I'm willing to assume that Aniz fits that description.
Quote from: superluser on May 12, 2007, 07:13:27 AM
Would you play a game that occupied all of your time (or at least, the majority) and dragged on for three months?
Morrowind? U5:Lazarus?
Judging by the people who've already mentioned WoW, I think you're going to regret that question >:3
Quote from: Amber Williams on May 12, 2007, 01:44:42 PM
Quote from: superluser on May 12, 2007, 07:13:27 AM
Would you play a game that occupied all of your time (or at least, the majority) and dragged on for three months?
For the Hoarde! :U
Wow, that just has me imagining Cubi all over the place role playing as beings as a kind of MMORPG where everyone else is NPCs. :erk
I mean, for all we know there could be four Cubi out on a bench somewhere nearby telepathing to one another
HA HAHAHAHAHAH PWNED!!!
LAWL
OO SUX TO B U ABL
FRIGGN SAVED
Quote from: superluser on May 12, 2007, 07:13:27 AM
Quote from: Goatmon on May 12, 2007, 03:23:00 AMWhat makes you so sure? I mean, to an experienced Cubi, how long is 25 years really? It seems entirely feasible that some Cubi might plays games that drag on for decades.
We've been over this before. `Cubi live approximately 100 times longer than we do. So divide everything by 100. 25 years becomes .25 years, or three months.
Would you play a game that occupied all of your time (or at least, the majority) and dragged on for three months?
Depends on how easily I kept myself "Fed" while playing this game, as opposed to being out on my own. Besides, the game thing was just a suggestion. In the last page he's hinting that he doesn't really have a good reason for why he's been doing it, as though it's just been some stupid game to him, which brought me to my earlier conclusion. That's all.
Quote from: MaskedRetriever on May 12, 2007, 03:24:19 PM
Quote from: Amber Williams on May 12, 2007, 01:44:42 PM
Quote from: superluser on May 12, 2007, 07:13:27 AM
Would you play a game that occupied all of your time (or at least, the majority) and dragged on for three months?
For the Hoarde! :U
Wow, that just has me imagining Cubi all over the place role playing as beings as a kind of MMORPG where everyone else is NPCs. :erk
I mean, for all we know there could be four Cubi out on a bench somewhere nearby telepathing to one another
HA HAHAHAHAHAH PWNED!!!
LAWL
OO SUX TO B U ABL
FRIGGN SAVED
No WONDER Most Cubi have a reputation for being jerks...
Quote from: Amber Williams on May 12, 2007, 01:44:42 PM
Quote from: superluser on May 12, 2007, 07:13:27 AM
Would you play a game that occupied all of your time (or at least, the majority) and dragged on for three months?
For the Hoarde! :U
There;'s people still playing Ultima Online, which I was getting excited about back in high school. That's almost ten years ago, and there's people who still play the game who started playing abck when the game was new.
And before that, there was Meridian 59, but I don't think it's possible to play that anymore...
And before that, there were the first MUCKs and MUDs, which IIRC, are still available to play. And there's people who have been playing them all this time.
While the initial charm of a game may wear off after a while, the game itself can just get under your skin and become something that you play because you play it.
Maybe Aniz just has an addictive personality. :3
Quote from: Amber Williams on May 12, 2007, 01:44:42 PM
Quote from: superluser on May 12, 2007, 07:13:27 AM
Would you play a game that occupied all of your time (or at least, the majority) and dragged on for three months?
For the Hoarde! :U
I'm so tempted to start a Dranei hunter named Mab, and get a Wind Serpent pet named Pip. But I'm too lazy, :P
Okay, so since we have established Aniz's full control of the situation...
Where the hell are his backwings?! *twitch*
He must really like wearing that shirt. :U
Quote from: Amber Williams on May 12, 2007, 01:44:42 PM
Quote from: superluser on May 12, 2007, 07:13:27 AM
Would you play a game that occupied all of your time (or at least, the majority) and dragged on for three months?
For the Hoarde! :U
FOR GNOMERGAN!
I'm not sure why people think that Abel not puking is a plot hole. ANYONE who sees a dismembered/shredded/icky body that's been sitting around more than a few minutes for the first time is going to throw up. That doesn't mean that he is going to throw up anytime anyone cuts themselves.
We already know that Abel's story is full of angst and win, so I would bet money that we haven't seen what caused him the huge-ass trauma that leads to his blood issues.
I mean, come on guys. You can't start pointing out plot holes until the end of a story, because there is always the potential that they'll be explained in a perfectly logical and legitimate way, and then you'll look like a tardmunch.
You do realise that we've already seen his blood-puking in the strip? You know. When Devin and Xander still had pulses. And that Devin says he'd been scared of blood ever since he was a kid?
So. There ya go.
A bloody nose isn't going to freak him out when...you know...he's had the day he's had. And May was quick to get a hankie up to it.
Yes, I do realize that. Which is why I said that anyone would most likely throw up when seeing a violent death for the first time. Doesn't mean he's phobic, just that he's... human. Well, you know what I mean.
Quote from: Meech on May 12, 2007, 11:24:28 AMThe answer to your question is yes. People go out and buy an RPG for their PS1,2 or 3 and then spend weeks or months playing it every day to get to the end.
Yes, but they usually take time off to sleep, have a nice, peaceful meal rather than holding a slice of pizza in one hand and the controller in the other, go to work and/or school, &c. I'll bet that pushes it below 50% of their time for most hardcore gamers.
Aniz isn't doing any of that. Even when he sleeps (or pretends to), he's still playing. The only time when he might have broken character is when he was off `adventuring.'
I've been known to pick up a game and then largely disappear for a week, only surfacing for work/food/sleep. But by the end of that week, I've defeated the game.
I couldn't do it for a month, though.
Plus, if the game weren't exciting, I'd drop it like a hot potato. Aniz seems to have been playing a game that he hates for twenty-five years, and he doesn't seem to have the personality of someone who likes to aggro.
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 12, 2007, 03:23:28 PMJudging by the people who've already mentioned WoW, I think you're going to regret that question >:3
Nah. Probably should have rephrased it, though.
Quote from: Amber Williams on May 12, 2007, 01:44:42 PM
Quote from: superluser on May 12, 2007, 07:13:27 AM
Would you play a game that occupied all of your time (or at least, the majority) and dragged on for three months?
For the Hoarde! :U
O.o is that warcraft 3 or WoW?*edit* nvm... :reading
about the puking thing maybe I can clarify why he isn't puking while seeing his mother's blood
When someone goes through a HEAVY emotional rollercoaster like Abel has this day, phobias tend to retreat in the back of the person's mind. Keep to the fact that he has just found out his father is not who he thought he was so he's filled with confusion and anger from his mother being hit. Usually anger tends to override phobias as well as rage. Rage, as we've seen in examples of history, tend to override fear and pain in a individual consumed by it. Abel right now, seems to be seething with a quite anger as he holds his mom close to him in a protective way.
Quote from: techmaster-glitch on May 12, 2007, 03:57:44 AM
Quote from: ??? (Hellcat) on May 12, 2007, 01:23:48 AM
Also I'm unsure why Abel hasn't barfed yet because of his mother's bloody nose
Yeah, I brought that up in the last thread, too. And like I said before...
PLOT HOLE, AMBER! :raspberry
We don't yet know when or how Abel aquired that response. It's quite possibly still in the 'future', though I suspect the very, very
near future, now.
I mean, the total, sickened to nausea by sight of blood effect. Most everyone is affected by such things, and Abel is, too, but I think the true phobia is yet to be 'set' in him.
Now, if Our Current Villain should finish this little chat by ripping May to bloody, gory, gallons-splattered-around bits, you might just suspect why the sight of blood might then have its 'current day' effect on Abel, from memory, Eh?
He certainly seemed to react at the sight of blood when they found all those corpses at the regal post.
Quote from: Zina on May 12, 2007, 04:12:49 AM
Quote from: techmaster-glitch on May 12, 2007, 03:57:44 AM
Quote from: ??? (Hellcat) on May 12, 2007, 01:23:48 AM
Also I'm unsure why Abel hasn't barfed yet because of his mother's bloody nose
Yeah, I brought that up in the last thread, too. And like I said before...
PLOT HOLE, AMBER! :raspberry
His other emotions are probably just over-riding his phobia.
A lot of stuff is happening and his mind is probably a huge mess. Chances are he probably hasn't even registered that her nose is bloody, just she's hurt.
*Charles nods* Very true. Now, he'll likely start vomiting after Aniz tears his mother's heart out with his wing tentacles, then makes Abel watch as he eats it while it's still beating.
*Charline smiles proudly* My evil training has worked perfectly! >:3
:deadhorse
Quote from: SkipSanders on May 12, 2007, 07:11:56 PM
We don't yet know when or how Abel aquired that response. It's quite possibly still in the 'future', though I suspect the very, very near future, now.
:deadhorse we've been over this already. Devin said he's had the problem since they were young kids, and Devin hadn't seen Abel since he was about 5 at the time.(which was when the Rewanz family moved to Zinvth) :deadhorse
And what Devin says is law, dammit.
...I miss Devin.
No what Amber says is Law. She has specificly stated that there was no tramatic event that pracipitated Abels Hemophobia. It's something he's always had.
I'll try to find it
Quote from: rabid_fox on May 12, 2007, 08:18:28 PM
And what Devin says is law, dammit.
...I miss Devin.
...
DEVIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIN
:crying
:cry For Devin...
Quote from: MaskedRetriever on May 12, 2007, 09:54:47 PM
Quote from: rabid_fox on May 12, 2007, 08:18:28 PM
And what Devin says is law, dammit.
...I miss Devin.
...
DEVIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIN
:crying
Yeah, I miss Devin too.
But, he's dead. So we might as well move along.
I would suggest making a new forum post for those who wish to comemerate to his memory so this post won't get flooded with the wrong info (this post is supposed to be about Abel's story so far, not about commemeration to the dead).
Well, at least Devin had a great death-scene. Seriously, that was one of the most gut-wrenching things I've seen in any comic in my entire life. (And when you read Jack, that's saying a lot.)
Perfect exsample how and what you said right there Rafe..pertty much thats the least of the moments we will see there
Quote from: Rafe on May 13, 2007, 02:25:30 AM
Well, at least Devin had a great death-scene. Seriously, that was one of the most gut-wrenching things I've seen in any comic in my entire life. (And when you read Jack, that's saying a lot.)
Seriously. I haven't been that moved by a death in a comic since Trixi & Tet (Arc 3 of Jack), though Devin's scene didn't quite bring me to tears.
Quote from: thegayhare on May 12, 2007, 08:55:49 PM
No what Amber says is Law. She has specificly stated that there was no tramatic event that pracipitated Abels Hemophobia. It's something he's always had.
I'll try to find it
I was under the impression that when it came to phobias there had to be an "Event" that triggered the more severe reactions.. I mean.. one is not just born with an ingrained fear of something, something usually has to happen to cause that fear or reaction...
But.. I could be wrong... :B
Either way, Abel had this before he got back to the house (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_46.php). Even if it was caused by a traumatic event, say, when he was a kid, he's already shown his aversion to blood before Aniz whacked May.
What does Abel face the menace that has just entered his life. Just after retreating from a bloodstained battle, and with the aura of his protector Devin's death still lingering. What does he do now, After Aniz has just bashed May's nose in ? Probably nothing special in revenge, except, maybe really burst out in vomit all over Aniz. Ick ! Attack Aniz !
I am so dreadfully concerned for May right now. Hennya....well, I don't really care about Hennya.
Quote from: kaskar on May 13, 2007, 07:54:17 AM
Attack Aniz !
Special attack: Sneak Vomit Attack. Does 2xd6 damage, where x is the number of recent meals the caster has had.
*cough* sorry.
Quote from: Aurawyn on May 13, 2007, 05:37:16 AMI was under the impression that when it came to phobias there had to be an "Event" that triggered the more severe reactions..
In real-life hemophobia, I am given to understand that you typically have one event, usually in early childhood, where you have the sight of blood, and simultaneously, you have stimulation of the vagus nerve, resulting in vasovagal syncope (AKA fainting).
So, for example, let's say you're a kid in daycare, and you've been refusing to drink your juice. When people don't look, you throw it out, and no one is the wiser. Because of this, you get dehydrated, and when you stand up one day, the dramatic change in blood pressure activates the vagus nerve. You fall and hit something sharp (it's not a well-managed daycare). You feel the pain and see yourself bleeding as you faint.
The brain now makes the connection that blood means fainting. Now, every time you see blood, the brain decides that it must activate the vagus nerve and cause you to faint. It's similar to Pavlov's dog and the bell, but this only requires one event for conditioning.
Imagine the build-up to Abel revealing the traumatic event that caused him to have this severe fear of blood. In Comic X, Panel 3, Abel says, ``You want to know why I have this fear of blood? Fine, I'll tell you...'' Then in Comic X+1, Panel 1, Abel says, ``I got dehydrated once as a little kid, and fainted. On the way down, I cut myself and started bleeding. Now I'm afraid of blood.'' What a letdown!
Quote from: superluser on May 13, 2007, 12:44:54 PM
Quote from: Aurawyn on May 13, 2007, 05:37:16 AMI was under the impression that when it came to phobias there had to be an "Event" that triggered the more severe reactions..
In real-life hemophobia, I am given to understand that you typically have one event, usually in early childhood, where you have the sight of blood, and simultaneously, you have stimulation of the vagus nerve, resulting in vasovagal syncope (AKA fainting).
So, for example, let's say you're a kid in daycare, and you've been refusing to drink your juice. When people don't look, you throw it out, and no one is the wiser. Because of this, you get dehydrated, and when you stand up one day, the dramatic change in blood pressure activates the vagus nerve. You fall and hit something sharp (it's not a well-managed daycare). You feel the pain and see yourself bleeding as you faint.
The brain now makes the connection that blood means fainting. Now, every time you see blood, the brain decides that it must activate the vagus nerve and cause you to faint. It's similar to Pavlov's dog and the bell, but this only requires one event for conditioning.
Imagine the build-up to Abel revealing the traumatic event that caused him to have this severe fear of blood. In Comic X, Panel 3, Abel says, ``You want to know why I have this fear of blood? Fine, I'll tell you...'' Then in Comic X+1, Panel 1, Abel says, ``I got dehydrated once as a little kid, and fainted. On the way down, I cut myself and started bleeding. Now I'm afraid of blood.'' What a letdown!
Yeah, one of my neighbor's sons actually faints at the sight of blood. His parents say that there was no trigger either, so what you're describing probably is the case.
I like how Amber didn't make some huge explaination as to Abel's hemophobia, and that it doesn't really serve a plot purpose. It makes him seem more real.
Yay, second post!
I agree with the notion that the hemophobia isn't something that can be rationalized. While Abel could very well faint when he sees blood, the fact that there's a bigger threat at the moment than the blood itself (which May covered up fairly quickly) may cause his brain to 'override' the 'blood equals fainting'-reaction. Phobias aren't rational at all and there are situations known when people overcame their phobia for something to rescue someone they loved.
Quote from: Caswin on May 12, 2007, 02:06:46 PMHeh...
Y'know, all the talking and laughing that goes on about the joys and sometimes even morality of 'cubi shape-shifting, seducing and torturing people... just doesn't feel the same when you see it happening to a character you've actually grown to care about, does it? :bat
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Exactly{Though I've been doing a lousy job articulating my thoughts ... :mowsmile}
Well, d*mn. That nixes my theory on him coming to genuinely care for May and Abel. Though he does seem to want Abel, if nothing else. (And no, I don't mean "want" THAT way!)