Everyone is dead. All of the camio's are dead. There's a story you don't want to be in.
Glory lives! Though without the sense of sight.
What brought you to this conclusion?
Because one's lying bloody on the floor and the other is nailed to the wall! Can't you see them! They're right there!
No honor among demons, eh?
I have to take a look again.
http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_56.php (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_56.php)
http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_70.php (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_70.php)
Here, check them out.
Once again, DMFA's cameo logic takes place!
*Charles thinks* Well, that eliminates Glory from the list of suspects, not that she was ever very high on mine. I considered that a very far-left-field possibility. Hmm, still no clue at to the identity of the evil creature Kria's talking to. We already have enough old-enough candidates for evil to make guessing rather difficult.
*Charline smirks* It sounds like me, actually. >:3
*Charles erfs* Anyone pure evil sounds like you. :mowtongue
*Charline sighs* Well, no denying that fact... :3
I saw the strip they are all dead except Glory alive but blinded. It has to be Dark Pegasus there's no other choice it has to be him.
Quote from: Meech on February 02, 2007, 09:29:56 PMGlory lives! Though without the sense of sight.
Glory DOES live, though I think she always WAS blind, now that I think about it.
Look back on previous strips, and how different her eyes are up close from everybody else's. While everybody else's has some sort of 'shine' to them, hers are a glassy, very two-dimensional shade. Just look here (http://missmab.com/Comics/Abel_58.php) and compare. This means she may rely on some supernatural other sense to navigate.
As for the comic itself, oh-my-effing-god. My heart just stopped. It freaking stopped. When I saw the look left on Devin's face, and the tears there... oh my god. Poor Devin... poor everybody. At least Devin and Xander weren't COMPLETELY dropped from the subject altogether, but I can't help but feel mournful. *clings to her Devin Yappity*
But now I want to strangle that Demon who was talking to Kria. So he not only has everyone prey on people for the sake of some sort of sick Demonic tutelage, but he's willing to let his comrade have the blame for the entire massacre pinned on him. Wow. What a complete and total dip@$^&.
~Keaton the Black Jackal
Quote from: Keaton the Black JackalGlory DOES live, though I think she always WAS blind, now that I think about it.
Look back on previous strips, and how different her eyes are up close from everybody else's. While everybody else's has some sort of 'shine' to them, hers are a glassy, very two-dimensional shade. Just look here and compare. This means she may rely on some supernatural other sense to navigate.
That would explain why she doesn't look up at Devin while she's
speaking to him. But that wouldn't explain why she knows Abel has wings...
*Charline merely chuckles* That's the nature of evil, my dear. We care for nothing but our own power and survival. All others are either resources for us to use or obstacles to be eliminated. We of the intelligent evil are the ultimate in evolution! Our genes survive because of our aggression and willingness to do whatever it takes to outlast everyone else, and our careful plotting to ensure we are not discovered until we're too powerful to stop. I admire whoever is behind this sinister act. Allowing flunkies to take the blame and die is a perfect plan. No one will remain to give away the truth of who instigated it, save for the Master's pupil, Kria.
*Alondro suggests* Could it be Senator Palpatine? :B
Quote from: HaZ×MaT on February 02, 2007, 09:50:22 PMBut that wouldn't explain why she knows Abel has wings...
Like I said, she could be using some sort of sixth sense or even a kind of magic to help her see.
~Keaton the Black Jackal
Glory's blind. Meh. Most paladins are already blinded by their own hubris. ;) But now I am worried about Abel. Let's just hope he doesn't get attacked on the way home.
Quote from: Meech on February 02, 2007, 09:29:56 PMEveryone is dead. All of the camio's are dead. There's a story you don't want to be in.
Dorian is very dead, but I don't think that we can necessarily say the same for Kammi. I'm pretty sure that the guy nailed to the wall is Selev.
Did Zina ever have Dorian as a real character, or just sketches?
Quote from: Meech on February 02, 2007, 09:29:56 PMGlory lives! Though without the sense of sight.
I forsee a lucrative career in fortune telling. Either that or a job selling balloons to Peter Lorre, if the gods decide to strike Glory male.
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on February 02, 2007, 09:46:37 PMGlory DOES live, though I think she always WAS blind, now that I think about it.
Look back on previous strips, and how different her eyes are up close from everybody else's. While everybody else's has some sort of 'shine' to them, hers are a glassy, very two-dimensional shade. Just look here (http://missmab.com/Comics/Abel_58.php) and compare. This means she may rely on some supernatural other sense to navigate.
You may be right, but I think not. Either Glory's Daredevil good, or she has sight. She seems to be able to track objects, and she knew something about Abel. It's possible that she has some sort of creature-sensing powers, but I'll have to use Ockham's Razor and prefer that she was blinded in the battle.
Quote from: Alondro on February 02, 2007, 09:53:21 PMCould it be Senator Palpatine?
That is why you fail.
It looks like kria's feeling bad, probably knows about abel's friendage with the dead devin there.
Glory being blind from the start does seem to make more sense, really, and that she's guided by something else. She did seem to sense the magic before it even struck them. I'd even be willing to bet that she could tell Abel was a 'cubi rather than just someone with wings but isn't so 'blind' as to classify all 'cubi as bad. She probably knows something of the different clans and the fact some are peaceful. Being blind, after all, does tend to enlighten you in other ways.
Quote from: superluser on February 02, 2007, 09:58:16 PM
Quote from: Meech on February 02, 2007, 09:29:56 PMEveryone is dead. All of the camio's are dead. There's a story you don't want to be in.
Dorian is very dead, but I don't think that we can necessarily say the same for Kammi. I'm pretty sure that the guy nailed to the wall is Selev.
It can't be, unless Selev has breasts. The character nailed to the wall is female, or a herm. Also, Selev was frozen solid in a chunk of ice.
Quote from: Meech on February 02, 2007, 10:10:18 PMIt can't be, unless Selev has breasts. The character nailed to the wall is female, or a herm. Also, Selev was frozen solid in a chunk of ice.
Agreed, but let's also think about the magnitude of Devin's ice spell. You would think that something that ENORMOUS would've resulted in a much messier death than a simple nail to the wall.
~Keaton the Black Jackal
*ahem*
And as an aside, the little valentines Fa'Lina donations box is too cute!
Looks so rather painfuls
i'm pretty sure the person stuck against the wall is one of the good guys...
Aw, Dorian. A for Effort.
Amber told me from the very beginning that this will be Dorian's fate. All things considered, I'm surprised he made it this far without dying.
Dorian was quite the ass. No one will miss him.
Well, except for maybe a little bee.
I doubt the off-screen demon is Dark Pegasus for one simple fact. From what we can tell against Kria's wing, it has a defined hand. DP has hoof-like claws if you look back at the 'Warrior for Hire' arc.
But, Amber may well make the mystery demon DP, she may not. I rather think that she is planning on Cubi parent or some other new character that may make a come-back later to haunt Abel.
-Nar
I would actually agree that it might be DP, it does seem to be his style. Condescending and higher-than-though, though I wonder if not all demon "teachers" are kinda like that.
One thing at least, I actually like and respect Kria a bit more. In this comic it does prove that she does have a good side, somewhat motherly...of course we know that with Lorenda, but when she was raising Lorenda, she tried teaching her to be evil.
Whoever it may be...The fate of Devin and Xander can never change
Quote from: Narethlian on February 02, 2007, 11:19:22 PM
I doubt the off-screen demon is Dark Pegasus for one simple fact. From what we can tell against Kria's wing, it has a defined hand. DP has hoof-like claws if you look back at the 'Warrior for Hire' arc.
Bravo. Well discerned, there.
Also, try checking the hairstyle of Kammi in the 'Glory's group' picture to the person nailed to the wall.
Quote from: Meech on February 02, 2007, 10:10:18 PMIt can't be, unless Selev has breasts. The character nailed to the wall is female, or a herm. Also, Selev was frozen solid in a chunk of ice.
Selev was in the tower when the spiky ice blast hit. Whoever that shadow is is also in the tower, impaled on an icicle. It broke off when the body collapsed. What you call a breast looks like a shoulder to me. The joint is leaning forward and the arm is turned back. Either that or the character has breasts sticking out of her collar bone.
Dorian never made it up. Glory was last seen (by the teacher) running, presumably outside. So either Kammi alone made it up but didn't come out or it's not Kammi.
I also note that Devin's eyes are shaded, not flat like Glory's, so that might not be indicative of blindness.
Edit:
Quote from: Ink on February 02, 2007, 11:39:12 PMAlso, try checking the hairstyle of Kammi in the 'Glory's group' picture to the person nailed to the wall.
You have a good point. Unless Kammi has more cartilage in the ears than we expect, the ears are too high and too small to be hers.
Said demon could be Devin's dad.
Well the wind will blend along and cross the plains the harmony of us cubi all will speak of bloodshed,horror,and sadness of this young boys happyness pulled away from him much like a piece of paper while burning hard as the cosmos of space!
EEK! :erk
That's just brutal! I was going to make a joke about "death by nosebleed" but I know you guys like Devin too much to appreciate the humor. I like him too... :cry
This is a extremely dark story considering Amber's normal works, which fall along the line of cute and funny. Poor Abel had to suffer through all this. No wonder he wants to be alone all the time...
As an aside, I really believe that when Abel and Kria meet up in the main storyline, it's going to be nuts, plot-wise. So many possibilities...
QuoteBut that wouldn't explain why she knows Abel has wings...
she never said Able had wings... all she said was "Are you aware of the condition of the third member of your party" (or some such) that could have meant anything...
now that i've gone back and looked at it... i agree with the thought that Glory was blind from the start. in the panel where she and Devin are facing each other, he's looking down at her, she's staring blankly at something close to his waist.
Quote from: katzklaw on February 03, 2007, 12:00:02 AMin the panel where she and Devin are facing each other, he's looking down at her, she's staring blankly at something close to his waist.
I don't like the idea for some rather deep-seated reasons, but I will admit that it's possible. I would think that Glory would be looking up somewhere nearer Devin. If she were truly looking straight ahead, that would be about 30 degrees off of Devin's face.
If you look more carefully, she actually is looking up. Following her gaze, she appears to be looking at Devin's...lips? Was there something going on between these two?
Also! If Glory knew that Abel was an incubus, wouldn't she have said something along the lines of, ``Well, the wings coming out of his back, yes. But what about the wings coming out of his head?''
Quote from: Zedd on February 02, 2007, 11:57:29 PMWell the wind will blend along and cross the plains the harmony of us cubi all will speak of bloodshed,horror,and sadness of this young boys happyness pulled away from him much like a piece of paper while burning hard as the cosmos of space!
Barkeep! One of whatever Zedd's having.
Quote from: superluser on February 03, 2007, 12:10:36 AM
Following her gaze, she appears to be looking at Devin's...lips? Was there something going on between these two?
You are thinking WAY too much into it.
I mean, why is this even an issue? The way Amber colored Glory's eyes is typically the way people normal show 'blindness' in characters. Glory was blind the entire time.
I would think that the dead silloutte is the other cameo character *Kammi? Is that her name? I can't say I'm too certain* judging by the fact that the profile of the face is humanoid-shaped, not a muzzle. Kammi did not have a muzzle, she had an actual nose and mouth, it is one of the things I noticed about her design immediatly.
I'd say the profile matches up with her ears and hair just fine, you just have to realize that you're looking at them in certain angles, and since all you can see is the black outline, you'll lose details. I'm partially tempted to try and make a sketch of it just to provide a visual. :/
We're a little thrown off in that Glory's eyes are pale blue, instead of grey, which is how most people show that a character is blind.
Quote from: Zina on February 03, 2007, 12:14:29 AMQuote from: superluser on February 03, 2007, 12:10:36 AMFollowing her gaze, she appears to be looking at Devin's...lips? Was there something going on between these two?
You are thinking WAY too much into it.
I will note that I was being silly when I suggested that there was something going on.
Quote from: Talonr on February 03, 2007, 12:16:58 AMI'd say the profile matches up with her ears and hair just fine, you just have to realize that you're looking at them in certain angles, and since all you can see is the black outline, you'll lose details. I'm partially tempted to try and make a sketch of it just to provide a visual.
Natural position of Kammi's ears (http://inhuman-comic.com/comic190.php). In Abel's Arc, they're straight out (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_56.php), and curving a little forward. Since she would be dead, the muscles would relax, and the ears drop down, unless she's got massive cartilage in the ears and her head is turned slightly toward the audience. In that case, we should expect to see the other ear sticking out just past the nose, since it's that large.
Quote from: superluser on February 03, 2007, 12:43:21 AM
Quote from: Zina on February 03, 2007, 12:14:29 AMQuote from: superluser on February 03, 2007, 12:10:36 AMFollowing her gaze, she appears to be looking at Devin's...lips? Was there something going on between these two?
You are thinking WAY too much into it.
I will note that I was being silly when I suggested that there was something going on.
Quote from: Talonr on February 03, 2007, 12:16:58 AMI'd say the profile matches up with her ears and hair just fine, you just have to realize that you're looking at them in certain angles, and since all you can see is the black outline, you'll lose details. I'm partially tempted to try and make a sketch of it just to provide a visual.
Natural position of Kammi's ears (http://inhuman-comic.com/comic190.php). In Abel's Arc, they're straight out (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_56.php), and curving a little forward. Since she would be dead, the muscles would relax, and the ears drop down, unless she's got massive cartilage in the ears and her head is turned slightly toward the audience. In that case, we should expect to see the other ear sticking out just past the nose, since it's that large.
The shadow has a human nose, it's got to be Kammi.
I also think Glory was blind from the start. Still, why would Amber put that in and then not let us know until this comic? How weird, I wonder if it has any significance.
Quote from: HaZ×MaT on February 02, 2007, 09:50:22 PM
Quote from: Keaton the Black JackalGlory DOES live, though I think she always WAS blind, now that I think about it.
Look back on previous strips, and how different her eyes are up close from everybody else's. While everybody else's has some sort of 'shine' to them, hers are a glassy, very two-dimensional shade. Just look here and compare. This means she may rely on some supernatural other sense to navigate.
That would explain why she doesn't look up at Devin while she's speaking to him. But that wouldn't explain why she knows Abel has wings...
Actually, Glory never one said anything about wings. She asked Devin about the "condition of his friend". Devin responded with flippently, and Glory pretty much dropped the subject right there. So maybe she saw Abel for what he really was.
Thumbs up for displaying those dead heros like peices of meat. I expect more great work in the future.
Quote from: superluser on February 03, 2007, 12:10:36 AM
Barkeep! One of whatever Zedd's having.
Quote from: Zedd on February 02, 2007, 11:57:29 PMWell the wind will blend along and cross the plains the harmony of us cubi all will speak of bloodshed,horror,and sadness of this young boys happyness pulled away from him much like a piece of paper while burning hard as the cosmos of space!
I am a poet by nature...But I was being bluntfuly honest what I ment
Quote from: HaZ×MaT on February 02, 2007, 09:50:22 PM
Quote from: Keaton the Black JackalGlory DOES live, though I think she always WAS blind, now that I think about it.
Look back on previous strips, and how different her eyes are up close from everybody else's. While everybody else's has some sort of 'shine' to them, hers are a glassy, very two-dimensional shade. Just look here and compare. This means she may rely on some supernatural other sense to navigate.
That would explain why she doesn't look up at Devin while she's speaking to him. But that wouldn't explain why she knows Abel has wings...
I have a little idea about that. There are some blind people who can see with sound like a bat maybe Glorya can do that to
Quote from: Zedd on February 03, 2007, 02:06:03 AMI am a poet by nature...But I was being bluntfuly honest what I ment
OK. What did you mean by this?
Quotethis young boys happyness pulled away from him much like a piece of paper while burning hard as the cosmos of space!
I could dissect that and provide reasons why it's bad poetry, but I'd rather say that it's very creative use of words, and while I'm not sure that being able to write this way would be a good thing, I do believe that it would be a fun thing, and I'd like to be able to do it.
I would not be surprised if Glory was blind, and yet it lends such a...despair, almost, to the comic if she was not. Gut wrenching, almost.
Quote from: superluser on February 02, 2007, 11:52:05 PM
Quote from: Ink on February 02, 2007, 11:39:12 PMAlso, try checking the hairstyle of Kammi in the 'Glory's group' picture to the person nailed to the wall.
You have a good point. Unless Kammi has more cartilage in the ears than we expect, the ears are too high and too small to be hers.
While it did take a bit of checking this out, it is her. It's just the perspective being different that throws you off. But I can tell what's what now. What you may see as back of the head, is one of the ponytails. Which also explains why it's a bit higher on the top. As for the ears, Well, I'm not sure. They look to be the right size, but sweeping back slightly. Collar is also on target.
This I suspect is why you don't let Amber cameo you for Abel, just might not come back un-zombified for a while :) Still, this ahs been showing Kria's "soft spots" as stated in her profile which has been interesting which does show nder all that rampaging there still manages to be that niggle.
Though wonder if she'll ever see Abel in the main? Talk about akward.
"Now all his little friends are dead
But for some reason
Whatever killed them
Has never come for him"
--Joel Veitch, "A Frightened Boy"
Oh, that's rather sad. Now I suppose we'd better see Xander's corpse again, just so we know that the demon isn't him... >:3
it's a good point that we haven't seen xander yet...
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on February 03, 2007, 05:13:58 AM
it's a good point that we haven't seen xander yet...
Well, it's probably just that Amber ran out of panels so I don't think it matters.
You know, I don't care how homicidal, thieving, power-mad and even sadistic characters are, as long as they have some sort of honor.
Kria seems to have some sort of honor. But not whoever she is talking to. This was very low from him. I hate him!
As for Amber's donation request: I can't help it, it seems very weird. On the one hand, Matilda talking fashion would be very cute. On the other hand, it strikes me very odd that someone is giving fashion lessons who is always nude!
Xander is dead. Why keep beating a dead horse? (To quote it bluntly, do not argue semantics here.)
Xander died in Abel's and Devin's line of sight, just beyond the cart. The attackers were coming from the other direction.
If he was the mentor, it would not explain Kria didn't see (or expect) anything in front of her; whereas the mentor came from behind her.
Besides which, it should not matter.
~
And; honour is overrated.
I am really starting to hate Abel for his weakness. He could have saved lives if he was willing to fight.
I bet 100 brownie points that Abel will head home and will be found by an angry bunch of beings. They will know of the massacre at the outpost, see the demonic charm, and will immediately accuse Abel of the genocide. I doubt that he could fight off their accusations due to the wretched state that he is in.
The donation counter looks spiffy, though!
Oh, and Pyroduck will be annoyed to hear that the cameos are dying off, even though we heard their names http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_070.php (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_070.php)
Seems to be breaking his rule of thumb.
Who's to say Xander didn't die earlier, elsewhere? It's nothing to put away, and it's fun to play on. The whole "I'm a fake dead body" thing hasn't been used that much ever, has it?
Anyone know where I can get a copy of the January donation image?
Didn't get around to copying it.
Is Xander really Kria's examiner?
Against
- Highly improbable - Occam's razor
- Too many fingers
- Wrong type of clothing
- Abel saw him fall and began crying
- We only saw the wrist from his corpse - he could be too badly kibbled for Amber to show
For
- Highly improbable - Amber's razor
- Looks like a demon with the red eyes (remember the forum chat when he first appeared?)
- Disappeared for an hour or so as soon as the party reached the fortress, came back claiming it was deserted and with some story about a lantern causing all the smoke
- Conveniently disappeared again immediately before the attack to send a message (to his pupils?)
- We know nothing of his past - he seems to have met Devin within the last year or so
- We only saw the wrist from his corpse - he could be superficially injured/faking it
Xander claiming it was empty and the lantern brings up an interesting point. Why wasn't he killed then? Were the creatures waiting for a larger group to show up so they could kill more adventurers? But in that case, slaying Xander would have brought the rest anyway, as they'd come searching for him. They'd have come more cautiously, but as the creatures had the high ground it wouldn't have made much difference as the first attack allerted the adventurers as it is, and thus nothing would have changed much.
Or was Xander involved somehow and leading the rest to their doom? Perhaps he was paid off and betrayed, or perhaps he IS the master!
Time will tell... >:3
Quote from: RushFox on February 02, 2007, 11:59:11 PM
As an aside, I really believe that when Abel and Kria meet up in the main storyline, it's going to be nuts, plot-wise. So many possibilities...
We know that they have to meet up sooner than that so that Kria can get her amulet back. That meeting will be very interesting. This may be how Abel gets to the SAIA.
But she's apparently already got it back in the main storyline... And that's what rush is talking about... things outside of abel's story.
Awwwww... *misses Dorian* :<
Quote from: Manawolf on February 03, 2007, 12:24:09 AM
We're a little thrown off in that Glory's eyes are pale blue, instead of grey, which is how most people show that a character is blind.
Blind people's eyes can be any color. Sorry to disappoint those brown-eyed people who may believe they're safe from the possibility of going blind. They do have some more resistance to bright light, but that's all.
And all that speculation is going way too far, in my opinion.
Quote from: Ink on February 02, 2007, 11:39:12 PM
Quote from: Narethlian on February 02, 2007, 11:19:22 PM
I doubt the off-screen demon is Dark Pegasus for one simple fact. From what we can tell against Kria's wing, it has a defined hand. DP has hoof-like claws if you look back at the 'Warrior for Hire' arc.
Bravo. Well discerned, there.
Also, try checking the hairstyle of Kammi in the 'Glory's group' picture to the person nailed to the wall.
It's also, most likely, feline because you can sorta tell there's a claw on the index finger *nudges hand with a stick*
Quote from: Kattuccino on February 02, 2007, 11:52:17 PM
Said demon could be Devin's dad.
That's what I was going to suggest *does a woot-ful cheer* I wasn't the only one thinking it! ^^
*edit* Oh, and did anyone notice that, when Kria gave her amulet to Abel, the eyes turned from red to green? I wonder if that means anything...
Quote from: MT Hazard on February 03, 2007, 06:17:27 AM
Anyone know where I can get a copy of the January donation image?
Didn't get around to copying it.
.. you mean http://missmab.com/Images/January_Counter.gif ?
Quote from: Narethlian on February 02, 2007, 11:19:22 PM
I doubt the off-screen demon is Dark Pegasus for one simple fact. From what we can tell against Kria's wing, it has a defined hand. DP has hoof-like claws if you look back at the 'Warrior for Hire' arc.
But, Amber may well make the mystery demon DP, she may not. I rather think that she is planning on Cubi parent or some other new character that may make a come-back later to haunt Abel.
-Nar
cast page:
QuoteDark Pegasus' hooves are very sharp, though he can soften them if he chose to.
DP hasn't shown up with blunt fingers, but judging from the shape of Kria's and Lorenda's hands when not in "claw mode" we could assume his would be similar. so that doesn't exclude him from the suspects list.
it could also be the demon with the game.com on #365 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_365.php)
ans I'm not sure if the impaled person in the shadow is Kammi... I can't figure how she'd be posing to result in that silhouette
Quote from: Gabi on February 03, 2007, 07:51:11 AM
Quote from: Manawolf on February 03, 2007, 12:24:09 AM
We're a little thrown off in that Glory's eyes are pale blue, instead of grey, which is how most people show that a character is blind.
Blind people's eyes can be any color. Sorry to disappoint those brown-eyed people who may believe they're safe from the possibility of going blind. They do have some more resistance to bright light, but that's all.
And all that speculation is going way too far, in my opinion.
Wait, we do? I was just saying that I've seen other artists represent blindness by making the character's eyes gray.
Quote from: Gabi on February 03, 2007, 07:51:11 AMQuote from: Manawolf on February 03, 2007, 12:24:09 AMWe're a little thrown off in that Glory's eyes are pale blue, instead of grey, which is how most people show that a character is blind.
Blind people's eyes can be any color. Sorry to disappoint those brown-eyed people who may believe they're safe from the possibility of going blind. They do have some more resistance to bright light, but that's all. And all that speculation is going way too far, in my opinion.
Um... actually gabi, I'm not really aware of any sighted people with eyes looking like glory's... We're not talking about what natural color someone's eyes are, but rather how they turn out in blindness... and usually it's depicted with unusual pale colors like that... Which I'm pretty sure normal people don't usually have.
Yes, Mana, at least accodring to a statistic I've been conducting for years. My guess is that dark-colored irises absorb more light, so not so much of it reaches the retina. On the other hand, I have a better eyesight than most people I've met, so I can't complain. :D
Aridas, correct me if I'm wrong, but blindness doesn't normally cause the irises to change colors. Unless it was caused by some strange substance falling right on the eyes. >_>
Why does a comic have to be exactly like real life, then? Blind peoples' eyes are just about always depicted by a faded appearance, so why WOULDN'T this still be true now?
Quote from: Gabi on February 03, 2007, 07:51:11 AMQuote from: Manawolf on February 03, 2007, 12:24:09 AMWe're a little thrown off in that Glory's eyes are pale blue, instead of grey, which is how most people show that a character is blind.
Blind people's eyes can be any color.
They may be any color, but they'll usually turn grey pretty quickly. The muscles atrophy, and then the color of the iris turns to grey. Look up Essential Iris Atrophy (warning: contains images of people with freaky looking eyes).
Now, I know that Amber's not an ophthalmologist, but it does make sense for us to expect that.
Quote from: Tycoon on February 03, 2007, 05:52:23 AMI bet 100 brownie points that Abel will head home and will be found by an angry bunch of beings. They will know of the massacre at the outpost, see the demonic charm, and will immediately accuse Abel of the genocide. I doubt that he could fight off their accusations due to the wretched state that he is in.
No. Kria wants to place the blame on Selev's brother, Abel is walking away from Cantiv, and Zinvth is unlikely to allow trials of Creatures by Beings.
Another possible item against Xander being the instructor--if a shapeshifter dies, what happens to the shape? Does it revert back to the nominal form, or does it stay in the changed form? If the former, that's probably the real Xander whom we saw bloodied. I can't figure out either the means or the motive to alter someone in the ways necessary to impersonate Xander.
You know with the demons leaving this would be the perfect time for a wandering necromancer to stumble on the scene...
Yay hot Xander on Devin zombie action
*giggles*
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on February 03, 2007, 12:26:20 PM
... and usually it's depicted with unusual pale colors like that... Which I'm pretty sure normal people don't usually have.
What are you saying? *
looks at him with a pair of decidedly grey and somewhat pale eyes*
And why would anyone say that the figure up in the tower is a demon? Though it's shadowed, it most probably is the orange girl from before who's been impaled upon the handle of her own hammer. Icicles don't break with jagged ends like that, wood does.
Quote from: superluser on February 03, 2007, 01:01:53 PM
Another possible item against Xander being the instructor--if a shapeshifter dies, what happens to the shape? Does it revert back to the nominal form, or does it stay in the changed form? If the former, that's probably the real Xander whom we saw bloodied. I can't figure out either the means or the motive to alter someone in the ways necessary to impersonate Xander.
Perhaps you're a step or two ahead of me but my theory (which I don't hold much hope for) is that dead Xander has just got up, brushed himself down and admonished Kria for letting Abel go. So while I suspect that 'cubi revert to their base form when they die, it doesn't really matter here since the theory was that he isn't dead. >:3
Quote from: Stygian on February 03, 2007, 01:19:18 PMAnd why would anyone say that the figure up in the tower is a demon? Though it's shadowed, it most probably is the orange girl from before who's been impaled upon the handle of her own hammer. Icicles don't break with jagged ends like that, wood does.
It can't be her hammer; it's too tapered. Kammi's hammer's handle looks to be roughly cylindrical (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_56.php). This thing looks virtually conical. And smooth. So unless they have a belt sander in there, it's not the hammer.
I still say that the perspective looks too far off to reasonably be Kammi, but I do know that Amber sometimes has problems with perspective...
Quote from: Tapewolf on February 03, 2007, 01:39:05 PMPerhaps you're a step or two ahead of me but my theory (which I don't hold much hope for) is that dead Xander has just got up, brushed himself down and admonished Kria for letting Abel go. So while I suspect that 'cubi revert to their base form when they die, it doesn't really matter here since the theory was that he isn't dead.
The way I understand it is that there are two Xander's not dead theories. One is that Xander was the instructor all along, and the other is that the thing that came back wasn't Xander, and whoever that was really died. That latter theory is what I was commenting on. It wasn't very likely to begin with, but this makes it ever so slightly less likely.
Thanks to learch n'n'daCorna and modelincard for the link.
I've been thinking, what would be the weirdest colour for a human eye? What eye colour would make your really stare?
Solid black or solid white are good contenders.
an to think this could have all been avoided if someone had invented the bullet proof vest or phazers instead of aluminum siding.
Come on... don't you think that it's easy enough for a well-trained cubi to mimick an injured and dead person? A good example for demonstration is that Dr. Ink can transform into entire rooms, complete with furniture and attirailes.
So masking as a dead Xander ought to be not quite that hard...
Quote from: Stygian on February 03, 2007, 02:28:02 PM
Come on... don't you think that it's easy enough for a well-trained cubi to mimick an injured and dead person? A good example for demonstration is that Dr. Ink can transform into entire rooms, complete with furniture and attirailes.
So masking as a dead Xander ought to be not quite that hard...
I know it's a differnt world but I remember in Madness Season there was a scene where they explained that death was the hardest thing from a shapshifter to mimic correctly. Since to do it right brings to to the edge of death ourself. The slightest slip in control and it's all over
Everyone else has probably long noticed this but I only just did. Devin has tears in his eyes, the last thing he thought about was very interestingly Xander. "Oh Xander, I'm so sorry... I never told you that-"
Yes I've been spending the past 15 minutes or so trying to read a much of that scrawl as I could so sue me :<
Quote from: Stygian on February 03, 2007, 02:28:02 PMCome on... don't you think that it's easy enough for a well-trained cubi to mimick an injured and dead person? A good example for demonstration is that Dr. Ink can transform into entire rooms, complete with furniture and attirailes.
Once again, it's not exactly a strong point, but it is still a point.
Quote from: Karu Dragon on February 03, 2007, 03:13:59 PMEveryone else has probably long noticed this but I only just did. Devin has tears in his eyes, the last thing he thought about was very interestingly Xander. "Oh Xander, I'm so sorry... I never told you that-"
I'm pretty sure that while you're dying, you can't exactly control your tear ducts. His tears might have nothing to do with Xander, but just be an involuntary reaction.
It's generally considered a variable, for a slow death depending on frame of mind and thought. This is of course unless you have one of those absolutely stupid emotional triggers which could indeed set off at any given time.
Quote from: Karu Dragon on February 03, 2007, 03:36:13 PMIt's generally considered a variable, for a slow death depending on frame of mind and thought.
No, you're right, for the most part. I just seem to be in a very contrarian mood today, and it would make little sense to try to infer meanings from those tears in the real world.
Well we were not the ones who wrote not drew the comic so ideas will appear from the downright bizzare to the very plausible. In that sense it's kinda fun trying to work these things out or spot things you missed previously or overlooked even if just to come up with something that makes no sense. It's like Where's Wally without the hat and shirt :)
Quote from: Stygian on February 03, 2007, 02:28:02 PM
Come on... don't you think that it's easy enough for a well-trained cubi to mimick an injured and dead person? A good example for demonstration is that Dr. Ink can transform into entire rooms, complete with furniture and attirailes.
So masking as a dead Xander ought to be not quite that hard...
I somehow doubt that our mysterious fiend is a 'cubi of some sort. They are hardly the only creatures capable of such dastardly deeds. Not to mention that teaching how to properly rampage would be done within the confines if SAIA where a demon, such as Kria, would proably not be in attendance... or likewise, if a rampaging field trip was in order, again I doubt the students would be anything other than 'cubi themselves.
Has anyone pointed out that the little skull that Kria gave Abel seems to hide any type of wings? Also, the impaled figure inside the building is shadowed, making it hard to tell who it is. Going with the point that the object that is impaling said person isn't the shape of the hammer, and the fact that the person isn't shaped right says that it probably isn't Kammi. But they are obviously female. And as a random theory, maybe Selev was actually a woman pretending to be a male! You never know... He was said to be in the tower dead. And poor Devin...
The fort has two towers. The tower on the left was given the ice-treatment by Devin. Kammi could have been killed in the right-hand tower.
Quote from: Tapewolf on February 03, 2007, 07:21:26 PMThe fort has two towers. The tower on the left was given the ice-treatment by Devin. Kammi could have been killed in the right-hand tower.
Why would she be in the other tower? We are postulating that there are four creatures: Selev, his brother, Kria and the instructor. The instructor should be near the students, so if the second tower were occupied, there would have to have been two instructors. If there were two instructors, the other one would have to be Selev's brother, and that just smacks of conflict of interest.
Of course, there could be another creature who was the other instructor. In which case, it could be the other creature, not Kammi, who is dead in the tower.
It is possible that Glory's party went to the other tower to set up an attack, and Selev's brother followed them there, but I think Ockham's Razor suggests that it's the same tower and an icicle.
A powerful demon does not need to babysit other demons that hard, or want to, evidently. So there is no need for more than one instructor. Flawed.
Occam's Razor does not aid you in this, twit. Consider just a bit.
Quote from: Stygian on February 03, 2007, 10:59:58 PMA powerful demon does not need to babysit other demons that hard, or want to, evidently. So there is no need for more than one instructor. Flawed.
How, exactly, can an instructor evaluate the performance of his pupils without watching them in action? It may be pass/fail, but unless that were the final, the instructor would be expected to give feedback. In addition, if it were the final, the instructor would probably want to observe, just to make sure that no one's cheating. (If the targets aren't fighting back, then maybe someone's holding their kids hostage)
Quote from: superluser on February 04, 2007, 01:22:19 AM
How, exactly, can an instructor evaluate the performance of his pupils without watching them in action? It may be pass/fail, but unless that were the final, the instructor would be expected to give feedback. In addition, if it were the final, the instructor would probably want to observe, just to make sure that no one's cheating. (If the targets aren't fighting back, then maybe someone's holding their kids hostage)
Your thinking on this seems to be to structured on a classroom type lesson, This is something more akin to the training missions shown in Naruto. the instructor doesn't have to be physicly near a student to evaluate there preformance. Pluss in a combat situation like this clusting together is a real bad move. I'd say the students own choices of there defensible positions and there opening targets would all be part of the lesson.
In fact having the teacher absent from the actual location would be important to my thinking. One with the teacher gone it leaves the student with no illusions, "I'll be okay Professer Warren is here watching my back". And two it protects the teacher from the students screw ups, If the student picks a bad location, or chooses the wrong target and draws down more fire then he can handle having the teacher absent prevents losing valuable teaching staff because of a rookie's mistake and prevents unworthy students from passing simply because the teacher was forced to step in to save there own life.
The instructor can still critique those who pass the lesson, He mearly neededs to observe from a deacent vantage point. He can discuse the merreits of there choices of location, the timming of there attacks, the coardination between the fighters, target choices and selection of spells. All this can be don by a detached observer watching the battle from a safe distance. The instructor doesn't have to watch every move the student makes, plus being forced to stay with the student would hinder his ability to critique the student. By distancing himself from the actual student he can see no just what the student does but how the enemy reacts, and how the student addapts to the situation.
Quote from: thegayhare on February 04, 2007, 01:47:44 AM
Quote from: superluser on February 04, 2007, 01:22:19 AM
How, exactly, can an instructor evaluate the performance of his pupils without watching them in action? It may be pass/fail, but unless that were the final, the instructor would be expected to give feedback. In addition, if it were the final, the instructor would probably want to observe, just to make sure that no one's cheating. (If the targets aren't fighting back, then maybe someone's holding their kids hostage)
Your thinking on this seems to be to structured on a classroom type lesson, This is something more akin to the training missions shown in Naruto. the instructor doesn't have to be physicly near a student to evaluate there preformance. Pluss in a combat situation like this clusting together is a real bad move. I'd say the students own choices of there defensible positions and there opening targets would all be part of the lesson.
In fact having the teacher absent from the actual location would be important to my thinking. One with the teacher gone it leaves the student with no illusions, "I'll be okay Professer Warren is here watching my back". And two it protects the teacher from the students screw ups, If the student picks a bad location, or chooses the wrong target and draws down more fire then he can handle having the teacher absent prevents losing valuable teaching staff because of a rookie's mistake and prevents unworthy students from passing simply because the teacher was forced to step in to save there own life.
The instructor can still critique those who pass the lesson, He mearly neededs to observe from a deacent vantage point. He can discuse the merreits of there choices of location, the timming of there attacks, the coardination between the fighters, target choices and selection of spells. All this can be don by a detached observer watching the battle from a safe distance. The instructor doesn't have to watch every move the student makes, plus being forced to stay with the student would hinder his ability to critique the student. By distancing himself from the actual student he can see no just what the student does but how the enemy reacts, and how the student addapts to the situation.
Wow just wow...How much tea do you drink hun? Or you just..Witty and smart :blink
Stygian, there is no need to call names. Unless you've been talking to Amber yourself and KNOW what is going on, other people's thoughts are just as valid as your own.
LOL
not much tea Zedd mostly diet strawberries and cream pepsi
but I grew up an army brat so you learn a few things
Damaris
I've never understood why twit is considered an insult... (I agree with you that name calling is uncalled for here)
I just wonder why it's offensive to be called a pregnent goldfish
Quote from: thegayhare on February 04, 2007, 12:06:16 PM
I just wonder why it's offensive to be called a pregnent goldfish
Caviar and golden skin... that's usually a status symbol. o:
Quote from: thegayhare on February 04, 2007, 01:47:44 AMThe instructor can still critique those who pass the lesson, He mearly neededs to observe from a deacent vantage point.
Well, fair enough. I'm already assuming that he wasn't in the part of the tower that got iced, but I really do think that the other tower would not be a good vantage point.
Quote from: superluser on February 04, 2007, 01:01:42 PM
Well, fair enough. I'm already assuming that he wasn't in the part of the tower that got iced, but I really do think that the other tower would not be a good vantage point.
neither do I
In fact I don't think he was in the fort at all. I'd say he was most likely in the trees behind Xander and Devins position, where he could observe the battle with out interfearing. I'm saying that selev's brother was in the other tower. the teacher was no where in the building
TGH:
Twit- 3. Slang A foolishly annoying person.
That would be why. Yes, it's not the rudest thing ever, but there is still no need.
And so? I am usually very considerate, conceding even at times. But sometimes I just get tired. And there are times when it is better to simply speak your mind, are there not? I wanted to be clear, for once. And hopefully point something out by being so.
Also, who is to say that the demon master simply used a scrying spell? Really... He is quite willing to sacrifice some students, and you suppose that he would want to check on them at all times? Perhaps he even wanted them all dead and is simply not telling Kria. Hells...
Then the demon teacher is weeding out the weakest demons to find the strongest and henceforth Kria passed with flying colors. But there is that mothering soft side to her which we never seen here in DMFA. I have a feeling that this incident will not be forgotten but it will grow to the boiling point of utter revenge if Abel ever finds out that Kria was there when this whole thing went down and Abel wants his pound of demon flesh.
Quote from: ShiningShadow on February 05, 2007, 07:20:04 AMif Abel ever finds out that Kria was there when this whole thing went down and Abel wants his pound of demon flesh.
How's he going to get that without a drop of blood? :B
There is a difference between telling someone they are acting like a twit, and calling them a twit, Stygian. Just because they don't agree with you doesn't mean they're stupid. You are not the forseer of all, unless you have a much closer relationship with Amber then I thought.
Quote from: Damaris on February 05, 2007, 08:04:20 AMJust because they don't agree with you doesn't mean they're stupid.
You know I can still hear you guys, right?
I mean, you know how I enjoy being reminded that someone thinks that I'm a twit for three days... :|
Quote from: superluser on February 05, 2007, 08:32:13 AM
Quote from: Damaris on February 05, 2007, 08:04:20 AMJust because they don't agree with you doesn't mean they're stupid.
You know I can still hear you guys, right?
I mean, you know how I enjoy being reminded that someone thinks that I'm a twit for three days... :|
There will always be someone with a bad opinion of you, and that doesn't mean he/she's right. More often than not it means that person has a problem.
Nothing personal against Stygian either, I just mean to say there's no reason to let it get to you.
Quote from: superluser on February 05, 2007, 08:02:21 AM
Quote from: ShiningShadow on February 05, 2007, 07:20:04 AMif Abel ever finds out that Kria was there when this whole thing went down and Abel wants his pound of demon flesh.
How's he going to get that without a drop of blood? :B
He could become a barber, as long as it's still attached hair could technically be considered flesh (abusing the definition very much). Don't think I want to see a bald Kria though!
Quote from: Damaris on February 04, 2007, 10:07:28 PM
TGH:
Twit- 3. Slang A foolishly annoying person.
That would be why. Yes, it's not the rudest thing ever, but there is still no need.
Oh I know ma'am
Mostly I was just being silly but truthfully I ponder how it became and insult
It haunts me a in the dead of the night... Some time I wake up screaming "WHY.... Why the goldfish"
*giggles*
Well, it's a good thing Goldy's a paladin. She can heal her sight, and if any of her comrades survived, she can heal them up as well. Otherwise, they'd be screwed.
Problem with that, Aleolus. From what I've read, Glory was already blind when she came in, so if she was able to fix up her eyesight, she'd likely have done it a long time ago.
I've never heard of paladins being able to restore eyesight or anything like that from any sort of setting that'd include them anyway. :/
Neither have I and I played enough RPG's to know this. Unless there is a Shaman maybe capable enough to restore sight. I don't know I'm just speculating here.
Dragon Shaman's from D&D can restore sight with their touch of vitality, but they have to be of a pretty high level to be able to use it for that purpose. Cleric's can use it at their 2nd spell level, but by the looks of things there isn't enough divine intervention floating around Furrae for that. While D&D is swarming with deities to worship and be granted power from, the most we've heard of religion in Furrae was the cults dragons have tried to start, and while they can be powerful, they are not of the same caliber as a deity.
Quote from: Manawolf on February 05, 2007, 12:04:02 PM
Dragon Shaman's from D&D can restore sight with their touch of vitality, but they have to be of a pretty high level to be able to use it for that purpose. Cleric's can use it at their 2nd spell level, but by the looks of things there isn't enough divine intervention floating around Furrae for that. While D&D is swarming with deities to worship and be granted power from, the most we've heard of religion in Furrae was the cults dragons have tried to start, and while they can be powerful, they are not of the same caliber as a deity.
Cool I never saw it that way before. Make me more appreciated on the D&D series. Thanks for that insight.
Quote from: Gabi on February 05, 2007, 09:15:17 AMThere will always be someone with a bad opinion of you, and that doesn't mean he/she's right. More often than not it means that person has a problem.
I'm actually not offended by anything that's been said here. I'm mainly bothered by the fact that there's a discussion about me going on, but everyone's talking around me, and I don't seem to be invited to the discussion.
Quote from: Aleolus on February 05, 2007, 11:23:55 AMWell, it's a good thing Goldy's a paladin.
No, no. Glory's a paladin. Goldy's a twit.
See, the main problem i have with the theory that thats not Kammi in second panel is that the ice spell that hit Selev burst through the whole tower in a wide building encompassing area of effect, also breaking windows. The figure in the second panel not only has enough room to show their full figure, but the windows are unbroken. Now sure you could say the ice melted, but then, why didnt whats impaling them melt too? Also, why isnt the window broken. Only answer, thats Kammi, not Selev, and thats not the tower Devin hit.
Well the impalement object looks too smooth and linear to be ice, anways. Ice lances and shards don't tend to be that smooth.
Either way... dead body silhouettes are always a nice touch.
Besides. It's not as if only two out of 3 dead bodies they actually show are going to be the good guys >.>
Not to mention who has to be the cleaner to dispose of the bodies...And make sure they stay hidden
Sorry, superluster. Although it was less of a discussion, and more of a e-whap to Stygian's head, if that makes you feel any better.
Quote from: Damaris on February 05, 2007, 08:04:20 AM
There is a difference between telling someone they are acting like a twit, and calling them a twit, Stygian. Just because they don't agree with you doesn't mean they're stupid. You are not the forseer of all, unless you have a much closer relationship with Amber then I thought.
I never stated anything in the first place, but simply wanted to end the pointless comments and get on with something more engaging pertaining to the comic. The freedom to express one's opinion also applies to my words. And I was not flaming. Now, if any of these three statements are untrue, you can go ahead and smack me about it.
As for my relationship to the good Ms. Amber... when did we get on that topic? What does that have to do with anything? I am a forumite. That's all. And not once have I claimed to be anything more.
So get off my back, please? I will not speak anymore of this! Take that as a hint.
I'm sorry, forumites tend to not give admins hints. You called someone a name, period. Everyone else just as much right to discuss the points they want to (without it degrading into a fight) as you do. Just because you find it pointless doesn't mean that everyone agrees with you.
Now, you've annoyed me. Apologize to superluster, and give him a hug, or you're grounded.
*edited to add parentheses- the point was a little difficult to see.
Quote from: Teroniss on February 05, 2007, 02:07:47 PMSee, the main problem i have with the theory that thats not Kammi in second panel is that the ice spell that hit Selev burst through the whole tower in a wide building encompassing area of effect, also breaking windows. The figure in the second panel not only has enough room to show their full figure, but the windows are unbroken. Now sure you could say the ice melted, but then, why didnt whats impaling them melt too? Also, why isnt the window broken. Only answer, thats Kammi, not Selev, and thats not the tower Devin hit.
Now that is a good point. It still leaves the problem of what the person was impaled on. I still think that if that's a woman, she's got breasts growing out of her neck.
But in any case we don't know that being being impaled on the wall is a demon or Glory's group. If i'm a betting man I say it's the demon on the wall with the ice lance impaled on his or her chest. I seen icicles that is very smooth that can be used as a impaled weapon.
1. To answer you super, if thats a shoulder thats making that hump and not a breast, then its a very dislocated should, because even in a major slouch, getting a should at that angle is really difficult.
2. To answer you Shining, please refer to my above post. There were 4 Demons, Selev, shadowed demon speaking to kria, kria and selev's brother. Selev was in the tower shooting fireballs when Devin used the Ice spell on it, all but obliterating the tower. Therefore, it cant be Selev.
Quote from: Teroniss on February 06, 2007, 04:55:01 PM1. To answer you super, if thats a shoulder thats making that hump and not a breast, then its a very dislocated should, because even in a major slouch, getting a should at that angle is really difficult.
Yeah, the only ways you'd be able to get the arm into that position would involve death or serious injury...
...oh wait.
(http://www.missmab.com/graphics/ow.jpg)
Don't say I never gave ya anything.
Anyways, to clear up a misconception...the reason for the sillouette was that unlike Zina, who I had been able to talk to days prior to drawing, I wasn't able to get ahold of Soshi(Kammi's character) and get full approval over the nature of her characters death. While I had told Soshi I'd be killing off the cameos, I wanted to get a full ok about the graphicness. Since I wasn't able to get a hold of her, I went into sillouette mode.
But yes. Thats Kammi. And whatever killed her did so by effectivly snapping her hammer in half an impaling her on it. Had I gotten permission I wouldn't have done the blackout, but thems the breaks....no pun intended.
FWIW, it was done well.
Heck, the fact that people are arguing over who it was shows you how well you drew it :-)
You dont waste time do you Amber
Sigh. I guess I asked for it. I'm still perplexed about the neck-breasts, how the handle got tapered, and the erect ears.
But I was wrong, and I'll shut up now.
Well, one more. Does this mean that Kammi's dead in Inhuman? Or...did she already die (http://inhuman-comic.com/comic200.php) (warning: gore) or what? (I don't read Inhuman)
Should have gone with the Adamantine, not so easy to snap on its weilder, but it sure can crack an enemy skull, helmeted or not.
Quote from: superluser on February 06, 2007, 09:23:21 PM
Well, one more. Does this mean that Kammi's dead in Inhuman? Or...did she already die (http://inhuman-comic.com/comic200.php) (warning: gore) or what? (I don't read Inhuman)
I would say no, and no. Kammi is taller than that girl, redder than that girl, and wearing overalls.
See http://inhuman-comic.com/comic196.php
Thanks Amber that clear it up on this side. I thank you again
Uh, OW. That's one hell of a death, Amber. You literally made me wince there with the idea of Kammi's bigass hammer being used to impale her, but I take my hat off to you. XD *takes notes*
~Keaton the Black Jackal
"The power of shattering your enemy's hammer and impaling her with its fragments is nothing next to the power of the Force."
Sorry, I had to say it the moment it that entered my mind. It's Star Wars night afterall. :)
Wow... o: You guys speculated so much and so badly that Amber actually gave you information!
Keep up the good work! :rj
Sure beats than trolling Amber with smart knowlage and along getting lawsuits