Ah, so the student did betray the master... or at least in Destania's eyes. Wow. I guess we can really discount that theory that they secretly had the hots for each other. But that speech of hers... it's really kinda creepy.
Also, Abel's face is awesome. Why am I laughing?
I'm not sure why you're laughing.
But then again, I'm tired and cranky. I'm sure there is some subtext to this conversation. I don't have proof, but my gut is telling me that Destania is really talking to Fa'Lina through Abel here. What she's trying to say though, is past me at the moment. I'm going to sleep on it.
Creepy, maybe, but also very telling. Abel obviously did not stay out of her way, judging by #734 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_734.php), so he must have taken up her offer at some point. I'm connecting this all the way back to #297 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_297.php)... Maybe, 26 years ago, she and Abel left to finish off Aniz, but Abel chickened out and left her alone to fight off-his-rocker Aniz. I don't know think his doing Destania too much damage is very likely, but it would explain why Abel would owe a debt to Edward Ti'Fiona... He might have saved his teacher when Abel abandoned her.
Hi there. Delurking for the third time... don't mind me. Also, tell me if none of that makes sense. I'm so tired my hands are shaking. :U
edit: can't read, sorry
Hmm. Personal theory here. I'm thinking that Abel will go along with Destania, and attempt to destroy Aniz. However, Destania will probably do things that cross a line for Abel, or he will discover that while he despises Aniz, he doesn't to destroy him. At least not completely, like Destania seems to want.
Also, Abels face did make me laugh, but then the creepiness of that speech set in.
It kind of shocks me how this vile, evil, torturing teacher of evil became Mrs. WonderfulMom. Well maybe not wonderful but caring I guess fits better.
P.s. anyone mind explaining to me how you post the the link but all there is the umber of words like what indy did with the comic numbers.
Edit: thanks (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_933.php)
The code is [url.=Some random link here]And text here.[/url.] without the dots breaking it :)
I'm gonna agree with maybe Dee went for a line that Abel wasn't willing to cross, he's seen so many friends killed in a very short space of time so it wouldn't surprisse if the need for revenge meshed then with a never wanting to see it again at some point in his life. That or there was blood and that screwed him over...
Tis gonna be an interesting one.
Quote from: Feather Dancer on March 19, 2009, 04:10:17 AM
I'm gonna agree with maybe Dee went for a line that Abel wasn't willing to cross,
I'm thinking he maybe figured that while Aniz is/was a right bastard, losing his soul is going way too far for what she did.
There are two things which just scream at me from this strip:
1. Why the hell is she on payroll? She makes Aniz seem quite sensible by comparison. Destania might be the best pain and terror instructor in all Furrae, but if it were me running the Academy, she'd be out the door. Or dead (and that's not something I usually prescribe). That kind of vendetta against a former student is gross professional misconduct as far as I'm concerned.
Fa'Lina: "...and this semester you'll be taking 'Introduction to Pain and Terror' as taught by Professor Destania..."
Student: "
What? Are you insane!?"
Fa'Lina: "You need to. It matches your clan affinity."
Student: "Get real... I know all about her! She eats her former students! If you think I'm going to risk my very soul over a set of stupid grades you've got another think coming!"
2. Why in all Furrae did Aniz leave? Fa'Lina's offer was tantamount to protection and/or mediation. Even Destania would never dare to murder a student within the Academy.
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 19, 2009, 05:20:00 AM
1. Why the hell is she on payroll? She makes Aniz seem quite sensible by comparison. Destania might be the best pain and terror instructor in all Furrae, but if it were me running the Academy, she'd be out the door. Or dead (and that's not something I usually prescribe). That kind of vendetta against a former student is gross professional misconduct as far as I'm concerned.
And for all your misgivings and comments that students would flee from her and that she should be killed, I would stake that there is equally as many students who would fall over themselves for the chance to learn the same sorts of terrifying skills from such a powerful and talented (in her pain and terror department) succubus. Cubi fall all over the moral scale from good to evil, remember? Nor does Furrae or the Creatures in general have to prescribe to the same codes of moral conduct as Beings or indeed, the real world.
And unlike our plot-relevant Fa'lina, you are not locally omniscient. Knowing what the best outcome is does not mean getting there will be an easy, or even kind journey.
Quote from: Janus Whitefurr on March 19, 2009, 05:41:08 AM
For all your misgivings and comments that students would flee from her and that she should be killed, I would stake that there is equally as many students who would fall over themselves for the chance to learn the same sorts of terrifying skills from such a powerful and talented (in her pain and terror department) succubus.
That may be, but it's one hell of a gamble. Would you risk being destroyed more completely than death because you failed to live up to her standards or otherwise upset her? I don't know the specifics of what Aniz did, but that did may not matter so much as the rumours.
QuoteCubi fall all over the moral scale from good to evil, remember? Nor does Furrae or the Creatures in general have to prescribe to the same codes of moral conduct as Beings or indeed, the real world.
My moral judgements are optional to the argument. If you prefer, think of it in terms of self-preservation where the students are concerned.
The other point is that the Academy is (supposedly) set up to nurture the 'Cubi race, not eat them. As I understand it getting the rival clans to have their young meet under one roof was itself a major undertaking - if Destania is allowed to run wild, rivals of Cyra clan are liable to think twice about sending their kids there, IMHO.
QuoteAnd unlike our plot-relevant Fa'lina, you are not locally omniscient. Knowing what the best outcome is does not mean getting there will be an easy, or even kind journey.
Very true.
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 19, 2009, 05:56:09 AM
My moral judgements are optional to the argument. If you prefer, think of it in terms of self-preservation where the students are concerned.
I think he was speaking about the moral judgements of the students, not yours. Not that it changes your argument, mind.
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 19, 2009, 05:56:09 AM
That may be, but it's one hell of a gamble. Would you risk being destroyed more completely than death because you failed to live up to her standards or otherwise upset her? I don't know the specifics of what Aniz did, but that did may not matter so much as the rumours.
My moral judgements are optional to the argument. If you prefer, think of it in terms of self-preservation where the students are concerned.
The other point is that the Academy is (supposedly) set up to nurture the 'Cubi race, not eat them. As I understand it getting the rival clans to have their young meet under one roof was itself a major undertaking - if Destania is allowed to run wild, rivals of Cyra clan are liable to think twice about sending their kids there, IMHO.
Why would the majority of the students worry about that? You are being presumptuous that Destania would destroy any and all students who failed to meet her expectations. The idea of the rumour mill is also a dangerous one - so she has a plan to utterly destroy and annihilate Aniz. This happens, no doubt, -outside- the Academy, in a -very- wide open world. Playing the odds is dangerous, but what are the chances of random word of mouth getting back to everyone she teaches saying "he used to be her student, Destania is going to kill us all, RUN!"? Not all students are pure shining examples of moral goodness - we've covered that.
Destania isn't 'running wild' by any stretch of the imagination. Here we have a single contained incident with the details of her plans - the individuals present are her, Abel, and Fa'lina. The way you phrased it (really, the term 'running wild' is not one that implies smart thinking or even sensible action), one would think she's telling everyone how she plans to utterly murder/crush/kill/destroy Aniz, which is not very -subtle-. Again, you seem to assume that word of this will somehow get back to everyone else (ie, families outside the Academy)
And if your own moral judgements were optional, you could have done with less "I would have done (x)" commentary at the start of your contemplations. It tends to colour the rest of your argument.
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on March 19, 2009, 06:12:19 AM
I think he was speaking about the moral judgements of the students, not yours. Not that it changes your argument, mind.
Ah. In that case he may have a point. I still think it's not a risk I'd be willing to take, but then again, I'm not a 'Cubi.
Quote from: Janus Whitefurr on March 19, 2009, 06:18:58 AM
Why would the majority of the students worry about that? You are being presumptuous that Destania would destroy any and all students who failed to meet her expectations.
Personally I don't believe she would, but it's something I can easily see going around as a rumour, if only to mess with new students.
QuoteThe idea of the rumour mill is also a dangerous one - so she has a plan to utterly destroy and annihilate Aniz. This happens, no doubt, -outside- the Academy, in a -very- wide open world. Playing the odds is dangerous, but what are the chances of random word of mouth getting back to everyone she teaches saying "he used to be her student, Destania is going to kill us all, RUN!"? Not all students are pure shining examples of moral goodness - we've covered that.
True, but she's stated that it's her intention and basic reason to Abel now and everyone else within earshot. That the deed (if it happens) will occur outside is secondary, if you're arguing that it propagates from a witness outside. Maybe the thrust of your argument is that no-one will know if she succeeds, but if she's that obsessive about it, I doubt any success would remain a secret IMHO.
QuoteDestania isn't 'running wild' by any stretch of the imagination. Here we have a single contained incident with the details of her plans - the individuals present are her, Abel, and Fa'lina.
Unless they have been walking down the corridor - which may indeed be the case - they're just outside a common room full of students. If not then yes, I concur.
EDIT: Then again, Aniz must know. I can imagine him telling people what she has in store for him.
QuoteThe way you phrased it (really, the term 'running wild' is not one that implies smart thinking or even sensible action), one would think she's telling everyone how she plans to utterly murder/crush/kill/destroy Aniz, which is not very -subtle-.
I'm not sure subtlety is a key aspect of what she's doing at the moment. Though of course I'm trying to second-guess someone who would have 6600 years of experience at manipulating people, which is probably not a good idea.
QuoteAgain, you seem to assume that word of this will somehow get back to everyone else (ie, families outside the Academy)
Students don't stay in the Academy forever. I'll agree that if the clans are isolated, as seems likely, word-of-mouth is not going to work particularly well.
QuoteAnd if your own moral judgements were optional, you could have done with less "I would have done (x)" commentary at the start of your contemplations. It tends to colour the rest of your argument.
True.
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 19, 2009, 05:56:09 AM
My moral judgements are optional to the argument. If you prefer, think of it in terms of self-preservation where the students are concerned.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Turnsky/Sketches/milneaquote.jpg)
Quote from: silentassassin on March 19, 2009, 03:43:31 AM
Mrs. WonderfulMom. (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_933.php)
This comic reads a lot differently if you believe Dee would read her own son's mind.
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 19, 2009, 05:20:00 AM
Quote from: Feather Dancer on March 19, 2009, 04:10:17 AM
I'm gonna agree with maybe Dee went for a line that Abel wasn't willing to cross,
I'm thinking he maybe figured that while Aniz is/was a right bastard, losing his soul is going way too far for what she did.
There are two things which just scream at me from this strip:
1. Why the hell is she on payroll? She makes Aniz seem quite sensible by comparison. Destania might be the best pain and terror instructor in all Furrae, but if it were me running the Academy, she'd be out the door. Or dead (and that's not something I usually prescribe). That kind of vendetta against a former student is gross professional misconduct as far as I'm concerned.
Fa'Lina: "...and this semester you'll be taking 'Introduction to Pain and Terror' as taught by Professor Destania..."
Student: "What? Are you insane!?"
Fa'Lina: "You need to. It matches your clan affinity."
Student: "Get real... I know all about her! She eats her former students! If you think I'm going to risk my very soul over a set of stupid grades you've got another think coming!"
Shomehow, I don't think Destania is all "...he betrayed me. So I intend to destroy him." over schoolwork. Just because Aniz was once Destania's pupil doesn't give him pass on what he does later.
Quote from: inuhanyo on March 19, 2009, 07:58:25 AM
Shomehow, I don't think Destania is all "...he betrayed me. So I intend to destroy him." over schoolwork. Just because Aniz was once Destania's pupil doesn't give him pass on what he does later.
Quite. I'll be the first to admit that we have no idea what he did. Most of my arguments are actually about appearances and how it might go around the Academy as a rumour rather than absolute facts.
Also, since some people seem to be taking that dialogue of mine literally, I guess I should point out that it was intended as a slightly tongue-in-cheek example of what might possibly happen. Specifically, if it did happen, Fa'Lina would likely paper over the cracks, which isn't in the dialogue.
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 19, 2009, 08:04:25 AM
Quote from: inuhanyo on March 19, 2009, 07:58:25 AM
Shomehow, I don't think Destania is all "...he betrayed me. So I intend to destroy him." over schoolwork. Just because Aniz was once Destania's pupil doesn't give him pass on what he does later.
Quite. I'll be the first to admit that we have no idea what he did. Most of my arguments are actually about appearances and how it might go around the Academy as a rumour rather than absolute facts.
Also, since some people seem to be taking that dialogue of mine literally, I guess I should point out that it was intended as a slightly tongue-in-cheek example of what might possibly happen. Specifically, if it did happen, Fa'Lina would likely paper over the cracks, which isn't in the dialogue.
either way, if Dee does misbehave.. she might get this..
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Turnsky/Sketches/poodledoom.jpg)
*kaff* Me? take things seriously, surely you jest!.
Poodle of doom, eh?
OK, I know Abel has just been through a LOT, but how long is this Heroic BSOD gonna last? We're on, what, 50 or strips and counting?
(Personally, I would not be surprised if it lasts the rest of this chapter)
Destania proves a lot of theories wrong, and just as many right, when she says Aniz betrayed her. Question is how. The obvious would be that he did something to someone that he was not "supposed" to.....but....
Is it not possible that Destania, even being 7000+ yrs of age, began to trust the guy somehow? And gave a bit more info that she would have normally?.....And said info getting about to the wrong person?
I get the feeling Destania is twisting her story around to make herself seem more sympathetic - or rather, more like a victim, as opposed to the instigator of her and Aniz's feud. Chances are Abel's going to discover something horrible about her in the future which gave him this mindset. (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_811.php)
Also, TURNSKY! That sketch nearly made me choke on my laughter. I OUGHTA SUE YOU. >:[
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on March 19, 2009, 09:21:09 AM
I get the feeling Destania is twisting her story around to make herself seem more sympathetic - or rather, more like a victim, as opposed to the instigator of her and Aniz's feud. Chances are Abel's going to discover something horrible about her in the future which gave him this mindset. (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_811.php)
I dunno, given the look on Aniz's face when he asks if Destania is still at the academy, I think he's done something pretty rotten to her too. Despite the nasty nature of the woman, Destania doesn't strike me as the evil manipulative type. She's pretty upfront with her hatreds it seems and is, ultimately focused on doing what she thinks is best. Even if that does happen to be genocide. That said, given her nasty nature, I'm pretty sure she's going to do and has done plenty of horrible things that will give Abel that mindset.
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on March 19, 2009, 09:21:09 AM
Also, TURNSKY! That sketch nearly made me choke on my laughter. I OUGHTA SUE YOU. >:[
You Americans and your suing things. Yeesh. WHY DON'T YOU SOLVE IT WITH HIM LIKE A MAN? >:O
Quote from: Mao Laoren on March 19, 2009, 09:29:45 AM
You Americans and your suing things. Yeesh. WHY DON'T YOU SOLVE IT WITH HIM LIKE A MAN? >:O
Because she's not a man? :3
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 19, 2009, 09:31:50 AM
Quote from: Mao Laoren on March 19, 2009, 09:29:45 AM
You Americans and your suing things. Yeesh. WHY DON'T YOU SOLVE IT WITH HIM LIKE A MAN? >:O
Because she's not a man? :3
Doesn't mean she can't solve it like one. Are you trying to say that women can't do things that men can do Tape? Sexist.
Also, I know she's not. So before anyone decides to go all incredulous fanboi on me lets get that out of the way. Also, dude is a term that can be applied to any gender where I come from, so don't get your undies in a knot when I inevitably call her one.
Quote from: Mao Laoren on March 19, 2009, 09:33:47 AM
Doesn't mean she can't solve it like one. Are you trying to say that women can't do things that men can do Tape. Sexist.
How about because she's thousands of miles away from Turnsky? Is that better?
Actually a pic of Luke and Keaton brawling might be interesting to see.
Quote from: Mao Laoren on March 19, 2009, 09:29:45 AM
I dunno, given the look on Aniz's face when he asks if Destania is still at the academy, I think he's done something pretty rotten to her too. Despite the nasty nature of the woman, Destania doesn't strike me as the evil manipulative type. She's pretty upfront with her hatreds it seems and is, ultimately focused on doing what she thinks is best. Even if that does happen to be genocide. That said, given her nasty nature, I'm pretty sure she's going to do and has done plenty of horrible things that will give Abel that mindset.
That's what I'm trying to say. Destania is probably "conveniently neglecting" to tell Abel what she has done to Aniz in order to make her seem like the victim. Although she might not typically be manipulative, she might lose a golden opportunity in the form of Abel's assistance if she included that part of her story.
But that too. :B
Quote
You Americans and your suing things. Yeesh. WHY DON'T YOU SOLVE IT WITH HIM LIKE A MAN? >:O
Hey! If a woman can sue a bunch of
girl scouts (EDIT: actually, I forgot, they weren't girl scouts; it was just a goodwill gesture) for leaving cookies on her doorstep, then I can damn well sue Turnsky for drawing a hilarious picture! >:O
Given the sugar and fat content of those cookies, not to mention the price tag, I can understand WHY she sued, eh?
Now, we don't see any reaction from fa'lina yet (what can we expect anyways? 9 times outta ten sh'e's faking her expression), but one has to wonder what the heck she's thinking.
Further, anyone know her favorite type of muffin?
Quote from: Mao Laoren on March 19, 2009, 09:29:45 AM
You Americans and your suing things. Yeesh. WHY DON'T YOU SOLVE IT WITH HIM LIKE A MAN? >:O
Oh yeah? Well, I've a problem with you, Mao. And I
will solve it like a man! I'll see you in court!
</joking>
Either way, I'm not sure Destania is hiding anything. I think she's being perfectly upfront here. It doesn't really serve her purpose to deceive Abel.
Quote from: Pagan on March 19, 2009, 09:40:08 AM
Quote from: Mao Laoren on March 19, 2009, 09:29:45 AM
You Americans and your suing things. Yeesh. WHY DON'T YOU SOLVE IT WITH HIM LIKE A MAN? >:O
Oh yeah? Well, I've a problem with you, Mao. And I will solve it like a man! I'll see you in court!
</joking>
Oh yeah? Well, men in Canada only solve things one way....
Seriously man why you gotta be like that? Here, sit down, have a beer with me and we'll talk it over.
Quote from: Mao Laoren on March 19, 2009, 09:33:47 AM
Also, I know she's not.
I figured. Some people
have mistaken her for a guy, though...
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on March 19, 2009, 09:36:02 AM
That's what I'm trying to say. Destania is probably "conveniently neglecting" to tell Abel what she has done to Aniz in order to make her seem like the victim.
I'd say that's a pretty safe bet.
Quote from: Mao Laoren on March 19, 2009, 09:42:11 AM
Seriously man why you gotta be like that? Here, sit down, have a beer with me and we'll talk it over.
Isn't he underage for the US?
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on March 19, 2009, 09:36:02 AM
Hey! If a woman can sue a bunch of girl scouts (EDIT: actually, I forgot, they weren't girl scouts; it was just a goodwill gesture) for leaving cookies on her doorstep, then I can damn well sue Turnsky for drawing a hilarious picture! >:O
i have my moments. :U
Quote from: Turnsky on March 19, 2009, 09:43:55 AM
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on March 19, 2009, 09:36:02 AM
Hey! If a woman can sue a bunch of girl scouts (EDIT: actually, I forgot, they weren't girl scouts; it was just a goodwill gesture) for leaving cookies on her doorstep, then I can damn well sue Turnsky for drawing a hilarious picture! >:O
i have my moments. :U
(http://i43.tinypic.com/2yvqqno.jpg)
That's me after a Turnsky moment. *nodnods* :3
Heh. Leo. Dumb as a brick, twice as funny.
Now given that how Destania is talking here, is it possible that the "Edward kills Aniz" theory might be thrown out the door?
Quote from: Draken on March 19, 2009, 09:52:25 AM
Heh. Leo. Dumb as a brick, twice as funny.
Now given that how Destania is talking here, is it possible that the "Edward kills Aniz" theory might be thrown out the door?
Unlikely, still has one or two legs to stand on. Remember two things here: 1)Edward is an adventurer (or ex-one) and 2) He married Destania. Most men will go to great lengths for the women they love.
Quote from: Mao Laoren on March 19, 2009, 09:54:04 AM
Unlikely, still has one or two legs to stand on. Remember two things here: 1)Edward is an adventurer (or ex-one) and 2) He married Destania. Most men will go to great lengths for the women they love.
True, but she also mentioned that she wanted to destroy the soul. Doesn't one have to be right there when it happens? Again, there is credence in the fact that there was a few months between meeting and marriage, but still.
AAlso have to consider the years past, and given Abel's thoughts about her, MAYBE that's one of the reasons that he doesn't like her (how she destroyed Aniz I mean)....
Left Field Theory Warning:
Has it occurred to anyone that Abel has a definite disincentive to harm Aniz (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_109.php)?
As such, he may realize that Destania's offers of revenge may even be something he wants to discourage, just in case Aniz assumes Abel's in on it and makes good on said threats?
Quote from: Jigsaw Forte on March 19, 2009, 10:10:12 AM
Has it occurred to anyone that Abel has a definite disincentive to harm Aniz (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_109.php)?
Ooo, good catch. Though one way of looking at it is that he just needs to convince her to postpone it for 50 years or so until she (May) is guaranteed to be dead...
Aw crud, nearly forgot about that....although...
It kinda helps the "Edward did not Kill Aniz" idea.
Think about it? Abel could not only be mad at Destania for the terrible things she did/does to aniz, but also for being the potential catalyst for his mother's death. That would also fuel Fa'Lina's falling out with her (I think there's one, I'm not sure), and Destania's attitude change of the next 300+ years.
Well, there still has to be something that makes Abel care that Dan is Edward Ti'Fiona's son...Ink pushed that specific button for a reason, when he could have said 'Destania's son' just as easily. Even if it wasn't common knowledge at SAIA that Dee had married Edward (otherwise Aary would have known), Fa'lina's file on Dan would surely have included that info.
So just to posit a theory...Edward's involvement with Destania turned her away from pursuing Aniz, and Abel is in some way glad for that?
Is it possible to count the possible argument that Aniz is killed by Destania AND Edward while Dan is very young?
it'd mean Destanita fulfils her vow and would give a reason for Abel to react to Ink's mentioning of Ti'fonia during the SAIA arc
you know, there's also every potential that Fa'lina offs Aniz herself, if he is even dead by the time the main continuity comes around..
Either way, the whole "Aniz betrayed me" kinda puts the whole "Aniz is Edward" arguement in an urn, encased in concrete, and stored with spent nuclear fuel rods, dunnit?
Quote from: Turnsky on March 19, 2009, 11:47:10 AM
you know, there's also every potential that Fa'lina offs Aniz herself, if he is even dead by the time the main continuity comes around..
Either way, the whole "Aniz betrayed me" kinda puts the whole "Aniz is Edward" arguement in an urn, encased in concrete, and stored with spent nuclear fuel rods, dunnit?
Hadn't considered that, and it gives a reason for Destania leaving SAIA. Then again, there are many reasons for Destania leaving SAIA.
(also, side note: your comic rocks)
Quote from: Turnsky on March 19, 2009, 11:47:10 AM
Either way, the whole "Aniz betrayed me" kinda puts the whole "Aniz is Edward" arguement in an urn, encased in concrete, and stored with spent nuclear fuel rods, dunnit?
Sorry, no. We've already been through that a couple of weeks ago. Want me to find the reference?
EDIT:
here (http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php/topic,5713.msg266036.html#msg266036)To summarise, this revelation wipes out the original theory that Destania spared Edward because he was Aniz. No question of that, and I'll probably have to update the wiki page.
IMHO, it
reinforces the argument that 298 depicts Destania finally catching up with him. Indeed, if the theory wasn't already around I'd likely be making the connection myself by now. The odd piece out is the 'laws' line, but that's never made any sense anyway.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the clan marking is the ONLY thing that cannot be hidden by shape shifting, correct? I'm checking comics because something in my mind is just niggling me about it
Quote from: Buhamet on March 19, 2009, 11:59:00 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the clan marking is the ONLY thing that cannot be hidden by shape shifting, correct? I'm checking comics because something in my mind is just niggling me about it
I'm not sure we know that, actually. The marking can't be shapeshifted away, that's true, though it can be covered up and presumably painted over. It's unclear whether shapeshifting your hair long to cover the clanmark on the back of your neck would work.
I don't know that the clanmark is the
only thing that can't be replaced, but it's the only one we know of.
mmmm (this may just sound weird, but bear with me)
I've been looking at comics 297-299, where destania randomly blunders into Lost Lake
from what I can see, Edward can't be Aniz, due to the angles from where Destania is, along with the general (lack of) clothing of Edward. Aniz's clan marking is on his left arm, which was uncovered in 297 meaning people could see it if ed was Aniz........ later on, I admit there was usually a bangle or braclet covering that bit, but hey, if they had Dan they must have seen enough of each other to know who was who
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 19, 2009, 11:52:30 AM
Quote from: Turnsky on March 19, 2009, 11:47:10 AM
Either way, the whole "Aniz betrayed me" kinda puts the whole "Aniz is Edward" arguement in an urn, encased in concrete, and stored with spent nuclear fuel rods, dunnit?
Sorry, no. We've already been through that a couple of weeks ago. Want me to find the reference?
to summarise, it wipes out the original theory that Destania spared Edward because he was Aniz. No question of that, and I'll probably have to update the wiki page.
IMHO, it reinforces the argument that 298 depicts Destania finally catching up with him. Indeed, if the theory wasn't already around I'd likely be making the connection myself by now. The odd piece out is the 'laws' line, but that's never made any sense anyway.
there's prolly a few questions that'd put some nails in its coffin, like for example, Alexsi.. she happens to be Ed's daughter from another marriage.. the Lack of Alexsi not mentioning Abel's clan marking -at all- i could go on all night, but it's 3 am, my hot chocolate's nearly out, and i'm sleepy.
Either way, if all these supposed theories hold true, Dan has one -hell- of a messed up family lineage.. nobody's thought of another possibility, considering people are (if memory serves) basing all this on the supposed fact that Edward
resembles Aniz..
They're related.
Quote from: Buhamet on March 19, 2009, 12:06:05 PM
I've been looking at comics 297-299, where destania randomly blunders into Lost Lake
We don't know it's random. Amber suggested that she was faking her injuries, though she could just be toying with us.
If true, that again suggests the idea that she was stalking Edward himself for whatever reason.
Quotefrom what I can see, Edward can't be Aniz, due to the angles from where Destania is, along with the general (lack of) clothing of Edward. Aniz's clan marking is on his left arm, which was uncovered in 297 meaning people could see it if ed was Aniz........ later on, I admit there was usually a bangle or braclet covering that bit, but hey, if they had Dan they must have seen enough of each other to know who was who
Again, we've covered this. Among random Beings, they have no reason to suspect that it's anything other than a tattoo.
EDIT: Also, word of it may have spread to Biggs' ancestors and thence to Destania, which might even explain her appearance.
Try
here (http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php/topic,5764.msg268958.html#msg268958).
Quote from: Turnsky on March 19, 2009, 12:11:14 PM
there's prolly a few questions that'd put some nails in its coffin, like for example, Alexsi.. she happens to be Ed's daughter from another marriage.. the Lack of Alexsi not mentioning Abel's clan marking -at all-
Nice catch. Abel seems to have been wearing shirts for much of the time, but yes. That may well be an actual, honest flaw in the argument.
QuoteEither way, if all these supposed theories hold true, Dan has one -hell- of a messed up family lineage.. nobody's thought of another possibility, considering people are (if memory serves) basing all this on the supposed fact that Edward resembles Aniz..
They're related.
Could be.
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 19, 2009, 12:16:58 PM
Nice catch. Abel seems to have been wearing shirts for much of the time, but yes. That may well be an actual, honest flaw in the argument.
of course that brings ludicrous suggestions that Alexsi may be a succubi, and the layer-cake of arguements that'd ensue from
that fact being, Fa'Lina nor Alexsi recognized each other on sight, and one would think the big pink Poodle would know that regardless.
Lack of wings (either sets) and lengthy spiels about what isn't there, blah-de-freaking-blah-blah..
Ergo.. Edward =! Aniz.
Quote from: Turnsky on March 19, 2009, 12:23:38 PM
of course that brings ludicrous suggestions that Alexsi may be a succubi, and the layer-cake of arguements that'd ensue from that
Even I don't believe that.
Quotefact being, Fa'Lina nor Alexsi recognized each other on sight, and one would think the big pink Poodle would know that regardless.
I'm not sure what you're getting at there.
QuoteErgo.. Edward =! Aniz.
I think that may be calling it a bit too soon. You've found a hole, that's all.
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 19, 2009, 12:27:36 PM
Quote from: Turnsky on March 19, 2009, 12:23:38 PM
of course that brings ludicrous suggestions that Alexsi may be a succubi, and the layer-cake of arguements that'd ensue from that
Even I don't believe that.
Quotefact being, Fa'Lina nor Alexsi recognized each other on sight, and one would think the big pink Poodle would know that regardless.
I'm not sure what you're getting at there.
*sigh*
If Alexsi
was a succubus, wouldn't it stand to fairly good reason that a semi-omnipotent being like Fa'Lina would be able to 'Sense' a Cubi even in a shapeshifted state?
Quote
QuoteErgo.. Edward =! Aniz.
I think you may have missed the '???' step >:3
Therefore, Aniz is not Edward. that is my entire point there.
fair enough points, sorry for dragging up old arguements.
still, the theory is getting slightly annoying now, because people like me seem to keep bring up old arguements, and I'd rather not make myself look like an idiot
Stop!! You're ruining all of my Dan and Abel Forbidden love fanfics you fiends! I've tried so hard to get them together, have them passionately and madly in love only to find out that they are brothers and that their love can never, ever be!
Quote from: Turnsky on March 19, 2009, 12:30:55 PM
*sigh* If Alexsi was a succubus, wouldn't it stand to fairly good reason that a semi-omnipotent being like Fa'Lina would be able to 'Sense' a Cubi even in a shapeshifted state?
I honestly don't believe she is a succubus. Remember, a 'cubi-Being pair does not automatically give you another 'Cubi.
QuoteTherefore, Aniz is not Edward. that is my entire point there.
I still say you're over-eager. That Alexsi hasn't so far commented on/spotted Abel's clan mark does not constitute sufficient proof IMHO. It gives me something to think about, another argument against for the wiki, and if she ever does comment about it in-strip it could be very interesting.
EDIT:
Quote from: Buhamet on March 19, 2009, 12:31:37 PM
still, the theory is getting slightly annoying now, because people like me seem to keep bring up old arguements, and I'd rather not make myself look like an idiot
Well, I don't think you're an idiot, you just haven't seen the extent of the arguments. It can be argued that it's my fault for not adding them to the wiki - the main purpose being that it moves the debate out of the CMF threads. Which hasn't really worked.
EDIT EDIT:
Quote from: Mao Laoren on March 19, 2009, 12:33:46 PM
Stop!! You're ruining all of my Dan and Abel Forbidden love fanfics you fiends! I've tried so hard to get them together, have them passionately and madly in love only to find out that they are brothers and that their love can never, ever be!
Doesn't that just make it even more forbidden? :P
I think that, if anything, Alexsi might already know what a clan marking is, due to her probably asking Destania why she has one. So, if she saw Abels', she could probably just think "that's his clan marking" and not think any more of it
I find the speculation amusing. Mainly because I could easily turn it off anytime I wanted to with but a sentence.
The fact I let people argue and throw chairs at eachother over it for my entertainment probably doesn't speak well of my sense of humour.
Quote from: Amber Williams on March 19, 2009, 12:43:30 PM
I find the speculation amusing. Mainly because I could easily turn it off anytime I wanted to with but a sentence.
Are you sure you don't want to put it out of its misery? Come on, you know you want to...
*Charline is not surprised at Dstania's thirst for revenge* After all, she's a feline like me. We're like that. And we'll slaughter anyone who happens to be in the way. >:3
Quote from: Amber Williams on March 19, 2009, 12:43:30 PM
The fact I let people argue and throw chairs at eachother over it for my entertainment probably doesn't speak well of my sense of humour.
But you have lots of people who read a comic based upon your sense of humor. Those people being us. So what's it say about us then?
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 19, 2009, 12:44:27 PM
Are you sure you don't want to put it out of its misery? Come on, you know you want to...
NEVAH! Writhe! Writhe for me! :U
Pff, I love watching people fish for information from you, Amber. Don't ever tell them.
Nah, I enjoy possible theories like these, grants a massive amount of space to think up anything like that
if every theory was able to be proven or disproven in a single post by amber/you (dependant on the person reading the post) then we wouldn't have any fun thinking up mad theories like the Edward-Aniz theory
Quote from: Amber Williams on March 19, 2009, 12:46:10 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 19, 2009, 12:44:27 PM
Are you sure you don't want to put it out of its misery? Come on, you know you want to...
NEVAH! Writhe! Writhe for me! :U
it's fun, innit?.. Truth be told, i'm only trying to add more layers to an already convoluted and faceted arguement.. more branches to the proverbial bonsai, as it were. >:3
sides, that grass skirt of yours is still at the dry cleaners, isn't it? :U
Quote from: Amber Williams on March 19, 2009, 12:43:30 PM
I find the speculation amusing. Mainly because I could easily turn it off anytime I wanted to with but a sentence.
The fact I let people argue and throw chairs at eachother over it for my entertainment probably doesn't speak well of my sense of humour.
Heheheheh. You
are so good at this. Are you sure you're not plotting world domination, Doctor Amber?
Quote from: Amber Williams on March 19, 2009, 12:46:10 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 19, 2009, 12:44:27 PM
Are you sure you don't want to put it out of its misery? Come on, you know you want to...
NEVAH! Writhe! Writhe for me! :U
Oh, okay. *writhes* How's that?
Quote from: Turnsky on March 19, 2009, 12:48:34 PM
it's fun, innit?.. Truth be told, i'm only trying to add more layers to an already convoluted and faceted arguement.. more branches to the proverbial bonsai, as it were. >:3
Adding feature creep and bloat to a project until it sinks under its own weight is a technique I'm well aware of, thank you >:3
Quote from: Amber Williams on March 19, 2009, 12:46:10 PM
NEVAH! Writhe! Writhe for me! :U
It ain't me doing the writhing. I'm just caught in the middle here - unable to resist defending the theory, but realising that other forumites don't like it.
**EDIT**
For the record I did not bring the topic up this time. That at least is a habit I'm starting to overcome.
Speaking of mad theories.........
I still maintain that Aniz had some sort of personal problem with Fa'Lina. I'm reasonably sure that SAIA is old enough that Aniz couldn't have been directly involved in the massacre of her clan, but either you hold grudges through clan members, or Aniz did something himself to irk her. At the moment, Abel can't even hurt Aniz, let alone fight him effectively, but Fa'Lina has power to spare. I'm still sure that this is an attempt to aim the headmaster of SAIA at Aniz for some reason, although the specifics (what Aniz did/didn't do, why Fa'Lina is restraining herself) are beyond me.
The idea of Fa'Lina being after Aniz wouldn't surprise me........... everyone who seems to know Aniz wants kill him, by the looks of it
I bow to the genius that is Amber, and offer to make her another batch of popcorn in between bouts of writhing. >:3
I've updated the Edward-Aniz theory on the wiki if anyone's actually interested. I'm going to try and avoid pursuing the theory much more in this thread to help keep the peace :rolleyes
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 19, 2009, 12:44:27 PM
Quote from: Amber Williams on March 19, 2009, 12:43:30 PM
I find the speculation amusing. Mainly because I could easily turn it off anytime I wanted to with but a sentence.
Are you sure you don't want to put it out of its misery? Come on, you know you want to...
Ahem (Way out in left field alert): Amber. is. a. CUBI! >:3
*munch munch munch*
Hmmm. I can't figure out how much I should admire her and fear for Abel's safety. On the one hand, she should know better than to drop this kind of news on a still-rather-traumatized student, but given her affinity and her subject, it's not surprising that she chose to do it this way. On the other hand, she must have at least SOME morals, given what she said about Aniz betraying her. But I wonder if she means that he betrayed her by doing this, or through some other means...
Gargh. There's a lot of subplots in this comic. I wanna sift through 'em with a li'l rake and find the ones we're missing.
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 19, 2009, 05:20:00 AM
2. Why in all Furrae did Aniz leave? Fa'Lina's offer was tantamount to protection and/or mediation. Even Destania would never dare to murder a student within the Academy.
I think Aniz is smart enough to not take a chance at pissing off a Cyra Clan Succubus. Even then, I don't think Destania would let the rules stop her from murdering Aniz.
Quote from: Draken on March 19, 2009, 08:56:18 AM
Poodle of doom, eh?
OK, I know Abel has just been through a LOT, but how long is this Heroic BSOD gonna last? We're on, what, 50 or strips and counting?
(Personally, I would not be surprised if it lasts the rest of this chapter)
It's not so much the BSOD, it's more shock and confusion. Fa'Lina and Destania are putting a lot on him at once. New academy, someone wants to destroy (not kill, absolutely destroy) his father. It'd be a lot on anyone.
Wait I thought that people at the academy took their own classes hence the gardening class Abel took.
Quote from: Minishear on March 19, 2009, 03:38:35 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 19, 2009, 05:20:00 AM
2. Why in all Furrae did Aniz leave? Fa'Lina's offer was tantamount to protection and/or mediation. Even Destania would never dare to murder a student within the Academy.
I think Aniz is smart enough to not take a chance at pissing off a Cyra Clan Succubus. Even then, I don't think Destania would let the rules stop her from murdering Aniz.
Actually, I think the real reason Aniz left, apart from Dee, is that staying around (if Fa'Lina could keep him there), would be that Abel would want to leave. Aniz has thoroughly abused him and his presence there would effectively nullify his ability to function there, and Destania's presence would be 'icing on the cake'. In fact, I think that Destania is trying to encourage Abel to leave SAIA, so that Abel provokes Aniz into killing May, and then she can get Abel's loyalty in trying to take Aniz down. But... there I go again with my projections...
I'm all for The1Kobra's theory of how Dee is trying to do. It seems more logical that way, but then again...Abel might stay, and possibly learn much about Aniz's background story in a way, and what Aniz learned from Dee.
But the way Abel reacted, he might lean towards leaving Saia, but then again it's kind of ether way in my point of view. :L
In truth, we already know what's going to happen
Abel is going to stay, for good
remember dee's reaction of "wait, ABEL?! He actually left?!" when lexsi was kidnapped by biggs
Quote from: Buhamet on March 19, 2009, 05:14:11 PM
In truth, we already know what's going to happen
Abel is going to stay, for good
Amber has said on numerous occasions that she was tempted to kill Abel off in Abel's Story just for the sheer mindf___ factor of doing so...
Gasp! That means he's wearing coloured contacts! How else would he hide his undead eyes?
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 19, 2009, 05:15:56 PM
Quote from: Buhamet on March 19, 2009, 05:14:11 PM
In truth, we already know what's going to happen
Abel is going to stay, for good
Amber has said on numerous occasions that she was tempted to kill Abel off in Abel's Story just for the sheer mindf___ factor of doing so...
lol alternate ending : 3
Quote from: Michael Chandra on March 19, 2009, 05:28:09 PM
Gasp! That means he's wearing coloured contacts! How else would he hide his undead eyes?
Paint. After all, undead don't feel pain...
But now I'm left wondering how undead Able can see through painted eyes... :P
Quote from: Amber Williams on March 19, 2009, 12:46:10 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 19, 2009, 12:44:27 PM
Are you sure you don't want to put it out of its misery? Come on, you know you want to...
NEVAH! Writhe! Writhe for me! :U
What amazes me is that Amber has finally admitted that her goal in life is to make her loyal readers suffer agonizing torment at her hands. What she really needs is a button that she can put on her posts that will go: "BwaaWaaaWaaaHaah Suffer in eternal torment"
Quote from: Terrion on March 19, 2009, 05:45:58 PM
Quote from: Michael Chandra on March 19, 2009, 05:28:09 PM
Gasp! That means he's wearing coloured contacts! How else would he hide his undead eyes?
Paint. After all, undead don't feel pain...
But now I'm left wondering how undead Able can see through painted eyes... :P
The same thing we use to explain everything related to Amber's vagueness/lazieness/plot holes.
Magic :wizlit
But I'm wondering how would an undead cubi work? From what I understand most lose the majority of their powers aside from beings. Who's lacking of any real powers is the only species who gains anything from being undead. Bone wings possibly?
Lexsi has likely seen abel without a shirt on. Also when he walks around lost lake with a shirt and his wings, the shirts have no backs to allow for the wings.
Quote from: Lego3400 on March 19, 2009, 08:55:15 PM
Lexsi has likely seen abel without a shirt on. Also when he walks around lost lake with a shirt and his wings, the shirts have no backs to allow for the wings.
What exactly was the point of that?
Presumably pointing out that Alexi has had ample chance to see Abel's clan mark and remark on it. Or not.
What was the topic again?
Ah, conversation drift. Or, rather, conversation split. Two different trains of thought, both on topic, diverge from the same line. When the two try to converge again... CRASH! I actually heard it after reading silentassassin's comment. *Remembers that old black and white movie with the two trains doing a head-on collision* :mwaha
Quote*Remembers that old black and white movie with the two trains doing a head-on collision*
Aww yes quit creepily satisfying seeing that isn't it?
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 19, 2009, 02:10:16 PM
I've updated the Edward-Aniz theory on the wiki if anyone's actually interested. I'm going to try and avoid pursuing the theory much more in this thread to help keep the peace :rolleyes
Here Tape, you might wanna just add this for the sake of it
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Turnsky/Sketches/iwannabelieve.jpg)
>:3
The truth is out there... you just have to keep searching for it Muld.. er.. Tape.
Quote from: Turnsky on March 20, 2009, 11:20:50 AM
Here Tape, you might wanna just add this for the sake of it
>:3
Hah! I thought of that one months ago!
More seriously, I'm well aware - and the wiki is explicit in this - that the whole thing could be one big coincidence like the Law of Fives. Like I've said, if it's 100% proven wrong I'll gracefully accept defeat and be more careful in future.
**EDIT**
Expect X-files quotes from me in retaliation if it does, by some chance, prove to be more-or-less right.
**EDIT EDIT**
(http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k216/tapewolf/dmfa/idontwannabelieve-1.jpg)
http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k216/tapewolf/dmfa/idontwannabelieve-1.jpg
Though since I just looked at the cast page and see that Abel's favorite food is confusion. Even though he doesn't realize it, hasn't everything been just feeding him.
I hadn't checked in ages, but that's odd. Ink says when he does the evaluation that Abel's affinity is for "misery". Can a 'Cubi's affinity change over time?
Quote from: Corgatha Taldorthar on March 23, 2009, 08:47:22 AM
I hadn't checked in ages, but that's odd. Ink says when he does the evaluation that Abel's affinity is for "misery". Can a 'Cubi's affinity change over time?
I think 'Cubi can have more than one affinity. Also, it's possible that "favourite emotion" and "gives him the most benefit" are two different things.
EDIT: That's "More than ONE affinity" not "more than affinity"
How many affinities can a cubi "specialise" in? is there a limit, or is it just a case of which are the most effective?
Quote from: Buhamet on March 23, 2009, 05:50:30 PM
How many affinities can a cubi "specialise" in? is there a limit, or is it just a case of which are the most effective?
I really don't know, and I don't think it's something they get to choose. I think it's built-in.
Either way, Dan is good with pain, danger and justice if what Ink said in the strip is anything to go by.
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 23, 2009, 07:54:44 PM
Quote from: Buhamet on March 23, 2009, 05:50:30 PM
How many affinities can a cubi "specialise" in? is there a limit, or is it just a case of which are the most effective?
I really don't know, and I don't think it's something they get to choose. I think it's built-in.
Either way, Dan is good with pain, danger and justice if what Ink said in the strip is anything to go by.
It's not as simple as making a choice, but a Cubi's character and personality does seem to have an effect. Dan's adventuring career, and his reaction to it. The inherited clan affinity seems to be pretty strong, at least for young cubi. We don't know if an old Cubi could out grow their clan affinity if their personal tastes incline them in a different direction, or not.
Quote from: Corgatha Taldorthar on March 23, 2009, 08:47:22 AM
I hadn't checked in ages, but that's odd. Ink says when he does the evaluation that Abel's affinity is for "misery". Can a 'Cubi's affinity change over time?
Abel acts like a jerk, but I'd venture to say he dislikes "eating" misery, or having to. Tellingly, he is one of the few 'cubi who still eats, perhaps to make up for this.
But a previous comic during Dan's tests had Ink ask Abel if Abel was upset over his tests way back when. It may be that Ink can tell obviously that Abel has a misery affinity, but later runs the tests for real (or for kicks) and finds McSpotty enjoys confusion as well.
Well that assumes that Ink was telling the truth then and not just taunting/teasing. Aniz caused a lot of confusion. So I think it's possible his clan might be about confusion. Also Aary's cast page lists Pain or Passion so she has two.
Quote from: Tsunari on March 23, 2009, 10:11:52 PM
Well that assumes that Ink was telling the truth then and not just taunting/teasing. Aniz caused a lot of confusion. So I think it's possible his clan might be about confusion. Also Aary's cast page lists Pain or Passion so she has two.
I don't think Ink would dare lie to Fa'Lina (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Ab_021.php).
I think Achronycal nails it:
Quote from: Achronycal on March 23, 2009, 09:51:26 PM
Abel acts like a jerk, but I'd venture to say he dislikes "eating" misery, or having to. Tellingly, he is one of the few 'cubi who still eats, perhaps to make up for this.
But a previous comic during Dan's tests had Ink ask Abel if Abel was upset over his tests way back when. It may be that Ink can tell obviously that Abel has a misery affinity, but later runs the tests for real (or for kicks) and finds McSpotty enjoys confusion as well.
http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Ab_021.php
Hmmm, well Ink didn't do any testing, and just made the clan assumption for affinity. I don't know if it's dry and cut though.
I was under the impression the assumption was what they were going to do with Abel, not what his affinity (affinities?) are.
I got the sense that your personality didn't determine your affinity- but that your affinity decided your personality even before your headwings sprouted. It would explain why not more 'cubi were opposed to the notion of being 'cubi: They would already like pain, terror, passion, or whatever. Dan is unique because his justice affinity (when he thought he was a being) led him to attack creatures instead of beings, so he didn't want to be a creature.
Quote from: N-Cat on March 25, 2009, 08:40:09 AM
I got the sense that your personality didn't determine your affinity- but that your affinity decided your personality even before your headwings sprouted.
Again, they can have multiple affinities. They may well be a contributing factor in their personality, though.
QuoteIt would explain why not more 'cubi were opposed to the notion of being 'cubi: They would already like pain, terror, passion, or whatever. Dan is unique because his justice affinity (when he thought he was a being) led him to attack creatures instead of beings, so he didn't want to be a creature.
I think that's somewhat oversimplified. Abel said that most 'Cubi were like that because they were brought up that way, not because they were born like that. Certainly Abel didn't seem to be a particularly miserable type (until his world came crashing down of course) and come to that, I don't think he's particularly keen on being a 'Cubi either. He sleeps and eats, doesn't like shapeshifting much...
Quote from: N-Cat on March 25, 2009, 08:40:09 AM
I got the sense that your personality didn't determine your affinity- but that your affinity decided your personality even before your headwings sprouted. It would explain why not more 'cubi were opposed to the notion of being 'cubi: They would already like pain, terror, passion, or whatever. Dan is unique because his justice affinity (when he thought he was a being) led him to attack creatures instead of beings, so he didn't want to be a creature.
I'm not sure if that's Dan sense of justice or just Dan's racism.
But as to why Ink said "Misery" in Abel's Story and Abel's character page says "Confusion"? Maybe Amber just goofed.
Quote from: Pagan on March 25, 2009, 08:49:54 AM
But as to why Ink said "Misery" in Abel's Story and Abel's character page says "Confusion"? Maybe Amber just goofed.
If I (with human-like morals) had a choice between feeding on the misery of others, or their puzzlement, I know which my favourite would be.
Don't have to do horrible things to feed on misery. Just go sit near a funeral home. Or a hospital. Or a college campus.
Or any bar, or love motel, or slum, or...
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 25, 2009, 08:55:45 AM
Quote from: Pagan on March 25, 2009, 08:49:54 AM
But as to why Ink said "Misery" in Abel's Story and Abel's character page says "Confusion"? Maybe Amber just goofed.
If I (with human-like morals) had a choice between feeding on the misery of others, or their puzzlement, I know which my favourite would be.
considering you're now in the webcomic biz.
it's Misery.
>:3
A few points:
1: Yes I meant to say affinities and not affinity in my earlier post, sorry about the confusion. My point was that Dan had an affinity that influenced his personality more than the others, so I used the singular
2: My earlier statement about personalities was not an absolute. Just because Dan has a justice affinity doesn't mean that all 'cubi with justice affinities will go fight adventurers or creatures or whatever. No one characteristic is true about all people's personality, like not every child who is abused has a life that is ruined forever.
3: I think (and for some reason, I always do) that Tapewolf is right. It may not be that your affinity is your favorite food, just the one that helps you. As a bad analogy, I know someone who is allergic to chocolate (and thus, is not the most helpful to them) but it is their favorite food. Bad analogy because Confusion doesn't hurt Abel, I know.
*smiles crookedly* A more accurate analogy might then be eating green vegetables being good for you, even though all little kids (and many adults) despise the things.....
I have just had an idea of how Cubi affinities work. My theory is that all Cubi have 2-3 affinities the first being their clans affinity, the second being mostly decided by a constant feeling (like Dan's feeling of justice caused by his adventurer lifestyle) but only in case of a strong feeling in other cases they would only have 2 the third and final affinity would be caused by their strongest feeling just before they get their headwings (Dan's feeling of danger caused by Aryanna and Abel's feeling of confusion during the attack on the outpost).
This theory seams most plausible to me.
Quote from: Garsemor on April 06, 2009, 01:46:13 PM
I have just had an idea of how Cubi affinities work. My theory is that all Cubi have 2-3 affinities the first being their clans affinity, the second being mostly decided by a constant feeling (like Dan's feeling of justice caused by his adventurer lifestyle) but only in case of a strong feeling in other cases they would only have 2 the third and final affinity would be caused by their strongest feeling just before they get their headwings (Dan's feeling of danger caused by Aryanna and Abel's feeling of confusion during the attack on the outpost).
This theory seams most plausible to me.
Two possible holes with the last part of our theory. First possible problem is whether or not danger was the strongest emotion when his headwings came out. It might have been embarrassment from when Alexsi showed his baby picture. The other possible hole is the fact the adventuring has three main emotions involved. The two most prevalent: justice for righting wrongs, and danger (you are a being facing creature who is probably more powerful than you). Coming a close third is pain. Also, Dan has (in my opinion) showed a bit of affinity for danger from an early age. Come on, what sane person would go cliff jumping.... oh wait, bad example ;)
True, but we aren't Dan to know what danger means from his point of view. But if we said things like this Amber wouldn't have any fun. :P
Any way I believe we aren't far from knowing the system on how cubi affinities work.