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Title: 09/11/08 [Hybrids #12] - Hybrid Genetics: Angel Style
Post by: Lego3400 on September 10, 2008, 10:30:55 PM
Pity that. You never wanna see a race die out <.<
Title: Re: 09/11/08 [Hybrids #12] - Hybrid Genetics: Angel Style
Post by: Jairus on September 10, 2008, 10:32:32 PM
Wow... that's kind of a bummer. But it's an interesting bummer, nonetheless.

Hehe... I love Fluffy's last line there.
Title: Re: 09/11/08 [Hybrids #12] - Hybrid Genetics: Angel Style
Post by: Ghostwish on September 10, 2008, 10:52:20 PM
Prft, screw those wingy bastards. Cubi are so much cooler, and less prone to deep plots that ONLY concern themselves.

Die angels die!!
Title: Re: 09/11/08 [Hybrids #12] - Hybrid Genetics: Angel Style
Post by: !KCA on September 10, 2008, 10:58:55 PM
How much would the reproductive problems affect beings who just barely have enough angelic ancestry to give them a slight knack for magic?
Title: Re: 09/11/08 [Hybrids #12] - Hybrid Genetics: Angel Style
Post by: Zedd on September 10, 2008, 11:13:33 PM
Well this can't be good

Hey James you better get busy there! D:
Title: Re: 09/11/08 [Hybrids #12] - Hybrid Genetics: Angel Style
Post by: Jack McSlay on September 10, 2008, 11:16:55 PM
given she has only one wing, you can guess the angel traits are not going well,really
Title: Re: 09/11/08 [Hybrids #12] - Hybrid Genetics: Angel Style
Post by: Cvstos on September 10, 2008, 11:27:33 PM
Well, that sucks. And here I find the Angel race to be one of the more interesting ones. This does nothing to change that but it's STILL a lousy situation.
Title: Re: 09/11/08 [Hybrids #12] - Hybrid Genetics: Angel Style
Post by: Alterationartist on September 10, 2008, 11:46:25 PM
Eh. As far as we've seen, they're worthless. Unless Amber adds an angel character in SOMEWHERE, be it villain, new main character, or anything that isn't an extra or a minor/superfluous characters, they can die for all we care. Most of them aren't even making the world any better to be all that honest. So on that biased note:

SUCKS TO BE YOU, YOU WINGED PRICKS!!

"Blunt only works for tools and violence" - Anonymous
Title: Re: 09/11/08 [Hybrids #12] - Hybrid Genetics: Angel Style
Post by: Jairus on September 10, 2008, 11:49:04 PM
Okay, I will admit that Angels come across as a bunch of jerks, but does that really mean that we have to wish their race ill? Whatever is happening is serious, and could potentially be a problem to other Races on Furrae. I mean, I'm just saying. Though it could be that part of their problem is that they don't have enough genetic variation from not breeding outside their race...
Title: Re: 09/11/08 [Hybrids #12] - Hybrid Genetics: Angel Style
Post by: Alterationartist on September 10, 2008, 11:59:56 PM
HOW???

Like fluffy said, they're pretty much demons with feathered wings, 'cept they use light magic (ooooh, pretty! [/sarcasm]). They don't really contribute to any WORLD-CHANGING causes and as can already be read, the rest of them seem to exist at worsening the world. Most likely, the race will get thinner until ALL OF THEM THAT REMAIN go crazy in some way to revive their species at the cost of other races, and they'll all be killed by the rest who aren't willing to let that happen. FIN!

"Chris, you prick!" -Anonymous (AKA, my shoulder angel named Nat. Be anonymous NOW!)
"(repeat previous message)" - Nat
Title: Re: 09/11/08 [Hybrids #12] - Hybrid Genetics: Angel Style
Post by: Dagardo on September 11, 2008, 12:02:39 AM
Quote from: Alterationartist on September 10, 2008, 11:46:25 PM
Eh. As far as we've seen, they're worthless. Unless Amber adds an angel character in SOMEWHERE, be it villain, new main character, or anything that isn't an extra or a minor/superfluous characters, they can die for all we care. Most of them aren't even making the world any better to be all that honest. So on that biased note:

SUCKS TO BE YOU, YOU WINGED PRICKS!!

"Blunt only works for tools and violence" - Anonymous

The only I see being a prick here right now is you. There's no call to say such things. The only Angels you should call pricks are the evil ones or the ones that hurt or kill others just for fun or other similar reasons
Title: Re: 09/11/08 [Hybrids #12] - Hybrid Genetics: Angel Style
Post by: Alterationartist on September 11, 2008, 12:05:02 AM
CRAP! Now I have you and Nat!
Title: Re: 09/11/08 [Hybrids #12] - Hybrid Genetics: Angel Style
Post by: Dagardo on September 11, 2008, 12:06:37 AM
Quote from: Alterationartist on September 11, 2008, 12:05:02 AM
CRAP! Now I have you and Nat!

Please elaborate.
Title: Re: 09/11/08 [Hybrids #12] - Hybrid Genetics: Angel Style
Post by: Zedd on September 11, 2008, 12:34:11 AM
Sides angels aren't so bad at times, Depends what they did matters most..
Title: Re: 09/11/08 [Hybrids #12] - Hybrid Genetics: Angel Style
Post by: Cvstos on September 11, 2008, 12:44:07 AM
Quote from: Alterationartist on September 11, 2008, 12:05:02 AM
CRAP! Now I have you and Nat!

I really can't help but think of strip 651 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_651.php)...
Title: Re: 09/11/08 [Hybrids #12] - Hybrid Genetics: Angel Style
Post by: King Of Hearts on September 11, 2008, 01:09:19 AM
Demons with feathery wings... so why do they deserve to die out more than the latter?
Title: Re: 09/11/08 [Hybrids #12] - Hybrid Genetics: Angel Style
Post by: Dagardo on September 11, 2008, 01:27:03 AM
Quote from: King Of Hearts on September 11, 2008, 01:09:19 AM
Demons with feathery wings... so why do they deserve to die out more than the latter?

Good question. Maybe they aren't reproducing right, maybe its cause Amber says so... I don't know. No wait, its cause Amber says.
Title: Re: 09/11/08 [Hybrids #12] - Hybrid Genetics: Angel Style
Post by: Amber Williams on September 11, 2008, 01:31:07 AM
Quote from: King Of Hearts on September 11, 2008, 01:09:19 AM
Demons with feathery wings... so why do they deserve to die out more than the latter?

Personally? I find it hard coming up with reasons why individuals deserve to die...much less entire races.  I doubt I would make a fitting judge in regards to deciding what should be allowed life and what should be put to death. I tend to get whimpery if I find dying baby birds that have fallen out of their nests.

Quote from: Alterationartist on September 10, 2008, 11:46:25 PM
Unless Amber adds an angel character in SOMEWHERE, be it villain, new main character, or anything that isn't an extra or a minor/superfluous characters, they can die for all we care. Most of them aren't even making the world any better to be all that honest.

I find that type of logic silly.  And I think you are trolling people Alterationartist. Watch yourself.
Title: Re: 09/11/08 [Hybrids #12] - Hybrid Genetics: Angel Style
Post by: James StarRunner on September 11, 2008, 01:52:34 AM
Do I sense racism for a fictional race? Seriously people, grow up.

Quote from: Zedd on September 10, 2008, 11:13:33 PM
Well this can't be good

Hey James you better get busy there! D:
I was thinking the same thing. XD

P.S. My wife wants to let people know her fictional character is an angel as well and plans on adding more members of the angel race. :3
Title: Re: 09/11/08 [Hybrids #12] - Hybrid Genetics: Angel Style
Post by: Gamma on September 11, 2008, 02:25:01 AM
Sounds like fun. :mowhappy

"When you gotta go you gotta go.
Just don't squeeze the Charmin."
Title: Re: 09/11/08 [Hybrids #12] - Hybrid Genetics: Angel Style
Post by: Turnsky on September 11, 2008, 03:36:27 AM
Quote from: Amber Williams on September 11, 2008, 01:31:07 AM

Personally? I find it hard coming up with reasons why individuals deserve to die...much less entire races.  I doubt I would make a fitting judge in regards to deciding what should be allowed life and what should be put to death. I tend to get whimpery if I find dying baby birds that have fallen out of their nests.


well, you've found one reason a lot of other authors don't really go, genetically reaching "the end of the road" as a species.. given their long lives, it'd take the Angels millennia to die out completely, possibly by then a reason would be found, but given the general nature of long-lived races (slow to age, slow to breed, etc).. it might take a while before a viable population arises..
Title: Re: 09/11/08 [Hybrids #12] - Hybrid Genetics: Angel Style
Post by: Dagardo on September 11, 2008, 04:14:27 AM
Quote from: Turnsky on September 11, 2008, 03:36:27 AM
Quote from: Amber Williams on September 11, 2008, 01:31:07 AM

Personally? I find it hard coming up with reasons why individuals deserve to die...much less entire races.  I doubt I would make a fitting judge in regards to deciding what should be allowed life and what should be put to death. I tend to get whimpery if I find dying baby birds that have fallen out of their nests.


well, you've found one reason a lot of other authors don't really go, genetically reaching "the end of the road" as a species.. given their long lives, it'd take the Angels millennia to die out completely, possibly by then a reason would be found, but given the general nature of long-lived races (slow to age, slow to breed, etc).. it might take a while before a viable population arises..

That has to be the smartest thing Ive read thus far.
Title: Re: 09/11/08 [Hybrids #12] - Hybrid Genetics: Angel Style
Post by: Tapewolf on September 11, 2008, 04:56:39 AM
The first thing that I thought of when reading this was "James' character's just got some free angst."  But yes, it is kind of sad.

Quote from: James StarRunner on September 11, 2008, 01:52:34 AM
P.S. My wife wants to let people know her fictional character is an angel as well and plans on adding more members of the angel race. :3

That's an interesting point.  If you're unlucky you could easily end up with a lot of Being children.  Would they all end up getting shipped off to the orphanage kind of like James was?  >:3
Title: Re: 09/11/08 [Hybrids #12] - Hybrid Genetics: Angel Style
Post by: mopman on September 11, 2008, 05:34:50 AM
So is there a sign up sheet somewhere for volunteers to help them out?

( if you feel this is in any way naughty then the fault lies in your own imagination  ;) )
Title: Re: 09/11/08 [Hybrids #12] - Hybrid Genetics: Angel Style
Post by: Lucheek on September 11, 2008, 07:17:33 AM
Hmmmm....
Is it strange I want to do genetic research and study on a fictional species, to find out the sorce of their problems?

Yes. Yes it is.

I can't even effect this fictional world. Only a fictional character from this world could....so, in theory, I must create a character for this world....and guide it, using it like a glove, to reach in. So this glove of mine could actually do the research.... Hmmmm.

...
This is of course, assuming, that Amber knows (or has) a reason for the Angel-Extinction (sounds like a action flick).

....Hmmm.
Title: Re: 09/11/08 [Hybrids #12] - Hybrid Genetics: Angel Style
Post by: Netrogo on September 11, 2008, 07:21:16 AM
I never actually knew there was specifically an angel race in dmfa. I just assumed all the feathery wings came from crossbreeding with birds.
Title: Re: 09/11/08 [Hybrids #12] - Hybrid Genetics: Angel Style
Post by: Kenji on September 11, 2008, 07:29:15 AM
*holds up a glass of rum in toast*
For the light. For the naar-- oh sorry... wrong paradigm of light.
For the angels.
Title: Re: 09/11/08 [Hybrids #12] - Hybrid Genetics: Angel Style
Post by: Mao on September 11, 2008, 07:43:24 AM
Pity that they're a dying breed.  I find the feathery wings much more beautiful then the leathery wings.  Guess I'll just have to enjoy the cubi a bit more. :(  Or maybe the gryphons, but I'm not big on the beaks.  Can't win 'em all.
Title: Re: 09/11/08 [Hybrids #12] - Hybrid Genetics: Angel Style
Post by: Azraelle on September 11, 2008, 07:48:16 AM
Umm ... your reality check just came in the mail.  It's a fictional species.  In a web comic.  I'm all sad for them and all, and think it would be interesting if this worked its way into the main storyline, but seriously.  They're a concept thought up by an author, and penned into existence solely as a side-note in what is ultimately a form of entertainment.  Let's not get too attached or xenophobic about something that does not exist.
Title: Re: 09/11/08 [Hybrids #12] - Hybrid Genetics: Angel Style
Post by: Dagardo on September 11, 2008, 07:50:14 AM
Quote from: Azraelle on September 11, 2008, 07:48:16 AM
Umm ... your reality check just came in the mail.  It's a fictional species.  In a web comic.  I'm all sad for them and all, and think it would be interesting if this worked its way into the main storyline, but seriously.  They're a concept thought up by an author, and penned into existence solely as a side-note in what is ultimately a form of entertainment.  Let's not get too attached or xenophobic about something that does not exist.

Harsh, even if it is a fictional species. :<
Title: Re: 09/11/08 [Hybrids #12] - Hybrid Genetics: Angel Style
Post by: Tapewolf on September 11, 2008, 07:52:44 AM
Quote from: Azraelle on September 11, 2008, 07:48:16 AM
They're a concept thought up by an author, and penned into existence solely as a side-note in what is ultimately a form of entertainment.  Let's not get too attached or xenophobic about something that does not exist.
That may be, but the fact that people are saddened by this means that Amber is doing a pretty good job, writing wise.
Title: Re: 09/11/08 [Hybrids #12] - Hybrid Genetics: Angel Style
Post by: Turnsky on September 11, 2008, 08:00:50 AM
Quote from: Tapewolf on September 11, 2008, 07:52:44 AM
Quote from: Azraelle on September 11, 2008, 07:48:16 AM
They're a concept thought up by an author, and penned into existence solely as a side-note in what is ultimately a form of entertainment.  Let's not get too attached or xenophobic about something that does not exist.
That may be, but the fact that people are saddened by this means that Amber is doing a pretty good job, writing wise.

it's always a sad thing when a race, a culture is in a state of decline, society wise we do tend to see things like that, as older cultures struggle to survive in today's world..

Suffice to say, the reason behind the sterility of the Angels could be attributed to far too many things for me to discuss here. I suppose many modern techniques such as IVF and genetic engineering could be used to offset such things, however.
Title: Re: 09/11/08 [Hybrids #12] - Hybrid Genetics: Angel Style
Post by: Aisha deCabre on September 11, 2008, 08:40:13 AM
Huh...interesting.  No wonder that we've seen very few angels, if any.  The fact that they like to keep to themselves certainly isn't helping the genetic diversity.  Makes me feel a little bad, and yet surprisingly on the mark, that I have an angel character who can't have children anyway.

Not sad enough to change it though.  :3
Title: Re: 09/11/08 [Hybrids #12] - Hybrid Genetics: Angel Style
Post by: Brunhidden on September 11, 2008, 10:23:41 AM
amber draws some cute preggers, that she does


i would almost think the two likely causes are some other magical species is directly sabotaging the fertility, or they've selectively bred themselves to the point they are no longer as vital in much the same way humans have bred themselves to the point we could no longer eat raw meat or survive without clothes
Title: Re: 09/11/08 [Hybrids #12] - Hybrid Genetics: Angel Style
Post by: Alondro on September 11, 2008, 10:57:11 AM
Ah, I wonder if Angel genetics aren't as similar to the other races.  It could be that interbreeding may be analogous to the situation with ligers and mules.  The initial breeding is successful, but due to the chromosomes not quite being homologous, gametogenesis through meiosis is either partially or completely unsuccessful.

And if hybridization makes up a significant part of the Angel bloodline, they may have ended up dooming themselves.

But then again, a lil genetic engineering can fix that!  I can help.. for a price!   :mwaha
Title: Re: 09/11/08 [Hybrids #12] - Hybrid Genetics: Angel Style
Post by: Amber Williams on September 11, 2008, 11:38:56 AM
Well the thing to keep in mind if it was truly sabatoge, its a really slow and unproductive way of doing so.  Keep in mind Fluffy said that its with each generation, not "oh hey there are no more being born at all", so it isn't like there is a sudden stop.  Many angels still can have children, and even if they did fade out...its gonna be a loooooong time before it ever does.
Title: Re: 09/11/08 [Hybrids #12] - Hybrid Genetics: Angel Style
Post by: Jairus on September 11, 2008, 11:42:01 AM
Quote from: Amber Williams on September 11, 2008, 11:38:56 AM
Well the thing to keep in mind if it was truly sabatoge, its a really slow and unproductive way of doing so.  Keep in mind Fluffy said that its with each generation, not "oh hey there are no more being born at all", so it isn't like there is a sudden stop.  Many angels still can have children, and even if they did fade out...its gonna be a loooooong time before it ever does.
Oh, okay, so they've still got time to reverse it? That makes me feel a little better.

I am feeling worried about a fictional race that we haven't really seen in a webcomic: Amber, you are to be congratulated for pulling that off.
Title: Re: 09/11/08 [Hybrids #12] - Hybrid Genetics: Angel Style
Post by: Ghostwish on September 11, 2008, 12:22:08 PM
Not me. Best time to start an angel killing spree. >:D
Title: Re: 09/11/08 [Hybrids #12] - Hybrid Genetics: Angel Style
Post by: MT Hazard on September 11, 2008, 12:23:42 PM
Quote from: Amber Williams on September 11, 2008, 11:38:56 AM
Well the thing to keep in mind if it was truly sabatoge, its a really slow and unproductive way of doing so.  Keep in mind Fluffy said that its with each generation, not "oh hey there are no more being born at all", so it isn't like there is a sudden stop.  Many angels still can have children, and even if they did fade out...its gonna be a loooooong time before it ever does.

Some races would have the patience (and the life span) to sit out such a long time.

One possible is that they are simply waiting to long to have children (or did at one point) causing fertility problems.

There are many things it could be such as a genetic bottleneck in their early history.

From a story perspective it can be better to leave a question or two unanswered, real life often doesn't have simple answers after all.

And life would be a lot less interesting if we knew all the answers anyway.
Title: Re: 09/11/08 [Hybrids #12] - Hybrid Genetics: Angel Style
Post by: Tapewolf on September 11, 2008, 12:55:23 PM
Quote from: Jairus on September 11, 2008, 11:42:01 AM
Oh, okay, so they've still got time to reverse it? That makes me feel a little better.
The lifespans will help too, if it is an environmental thing.  IIRC that was one of the factors that contributed to the Osprey's survival of DDT etc... they lived long enough to be able to resume breeding after the environment had cleared up.
Title: Re: 09/11/08 [Hybrids #12] - Hybrid Genetics: Angel Style
Post by: James StarRunner on September 11, 2008, 01:16:01 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on September 11, 2008, 04:56:39 AM
The first thing that I thought of when reading this was "James' character's just got some free angst."  But yes, it is kind of sad.

Quote from: James StarRunner on September 11, 2008, 01:52:34 AM
P.S. My wife wants to let people know her fictional character is an angel as well and plans on adding more members of the angel race. :3

That's an interesting point.  If you're unlucky you could easily end up with a lot of Being children.  Would they all end up getting shipped off to the orphanage kind of like James was?  >:3
Heh... It's interesting to see that a few people thought of me right off the bat.

Me and my wife already figured out the kids our characters would have, even down to their personalities.
Title: Re: 09/11/08 [Hybrids #12] - Hybrid Genetics: Angel Style
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on September 11, 2008, 01:24:24 PM
Quote from: James StarRunner on September 11, 2008, 01:16:01 PM
Me and my wife already figured out the kids our characters would have, even down to their personalities.

Heh. That'll work.


Not.
Title: Re: 09/11/08 [Hybrids #12] - Hybrid Genetics: Angel Style
Post by: Alondro on September 11, 2008, 01:25:12 PM
*Charline disposes of her non-Cubi children in an efficient manner*  Burp...  >:3
Title: Re: 09/11/08 [Hybrids #12] - Hybrid Genetics: Angel Style
Post by: Sunblink on September 11, 2008, 01:27:16 PM
Now this is interesting. I've been waiting for the Angel page. >:3 I need to keep this page in mind for my Angel characters.

I should probably cut down on the amount of Angels among my characters, since they seem to be a rarity in the DMFA-verse. :c Kudos to Amber for this. It's a good way to balance out the Angels and Demons, since they seem like two highly destructive forces. Overwhelming the number of either race would probably throw off the entire food chain, so to speak, of Furrae.

I think James can probably be credited with making the first Angel character on the forum, though. XD At least to my knowledge. Angel party!

Quote from: James StarRunner on September 11, 2008, 01:16:01 PM
Me and my wife already figured out the kids our characters would have, even down to their personalities.

Aw, can Keaton be the godmother? :3 I promise she won't kill them.
Title: Re: 09/11/08 [Hybrids #12] - Hybrid Genetics: Angel Style
Post by: Naldru on September 11, 2008, 01:57:55 PM
The fact that Angels live about 1500 years would mean that the disappearance of the Angels would probably take over ten thousand years.  However, this wouldn't necessarily be a problem for the races with really long lifetimes such as the Dragons.

Just a thought about the previous comic with Destania.  She didn't say that the mysterious "they" were killing off cubi.  It could be that she felt that they would get around to destroying the cubi.  Perhaps the mysterious "they" were getting rid of the Angel race.
Title: Re: 09/11/08 [Hybrids #12] - Hybrid Genetics: Angel Style
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on September 11, 2008, 02:10:26 PM
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on September 11, 2008, 01:27:16 PM
Aw, can Keaton be the godmother? :3 I promise she won't kill them.

... yet.
Title: Re: 09/11/08 [Hybrids #12] - Hybrid Genetics: Angel Style
Post by: Brunhidden on September 11, 2008, 02:15:13 PM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on September 11, 2008, 02:10:26 PM
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on September 11, 2008, 01:27:16 PM
Aw, can Keaton be the godmother? :3 I promise she won't kill them.

... yet.

she can godmother one of my children, however many of them i shall eventually crank out- guaranteed to be far more durable then the starrunner kids, although she may have to put up with infants ripping clumps of fur out with their tiny cute little claws
Title: Re: 09/11/08 [Hybrids #12] - Hybrid Genetics: Angel Style
Post by: Tapewolf on September 11, 2008, 02:17:23 PM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on September 11, 2008, 02:10:26 PM
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on September 11, 2008, 01:27:16 PM
Aw, can Keaton be the godmother? :3 I promise she won't kill them.
... yet.

I was going to say "Keaton never harms children", but then I realised you probably meant she would kill them when they turned 25 or something  :rolleyes
Title: Re: 09/11/08 [Hybrids #12] - Hybrid Genetics: Angel Style
Post by: Mao on September 11, 2008, 02:26:24 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on September 11, 2008, 02:17:23 PM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on September 11, 2008, 02:10:26 PM
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on September 11, 2008, 01:27:16 PM
Aw, can Keaton be the godmother? :3 I promise she won't kill them.
... yet.

I was going to say "Keaton never harms children", but then I realised you probably meant she would kill them when they turned 25 or something  :rolleyes

Exactly!  There's not much sport in youngins.. but if you train 'em good, when they grow up they can be great fun.
Title: Re: 09/11/08 [Hybrids #12] - Hybrid Genetics: Angel Style
Post by: James StarRunner on September 11, 2008, 02:32:50 PM
Quote from: Brunhidden on September 11, 2008, 02:15:13 PM
she can godmother one of my children, however many of them i shall eventually crank out- guaranteed to be far more durable then the starrunner kids, although she may have to put up with infants ripping clumps of fur out with their tiny cute little claws
I wonder what kind of mutant kids you would be having? My kids will act like perfect little angels. O:3
Title: Re: 09/11/08 [Hybrids #12] - Hybrid Genetics: Angel Style
Post by: Jairus on September 11, 2008, 02:34:19 PM
Quote from: James StarRunner on September 11, 2008, 02:32:50 PMMy kids will act like perfect little angels. O:3
Conniving, manipulating schemers and plotters?
Title: Re: 09/11/08 [Hybrids #12] - Hybrid Genetics: Angel Style
Post by: Brunhidden on September 11, 2008, 02:36:25 PM
angels, yes, technically

mine, im not sure but they're durable and more then dangerous to give keats a run for her money
Title: Re: 09/11/08 [Hybrids #12] - Hybrid Genetics: Angel Style
Post by: Tapewolf on September 11, 2008, 02:52:05 PM
Quote from: Mowser on September 11, 2008, 02:26:24 PM
Exactly!  There's not much sport in youngins.. but if you train 'em good, when they grow up they can be great fun.
At the risk of derailing the topic by talking about Keaton's story instead of Amber's, Keaton's clan - simply put - had a religion that venerated children as being innocent.  They tortured and murdered thousands (millions?) of adults, but killing children was utterly, totally forbidden.
Title: Re: 09/11/08 [Hybrids #12] - Hybrid Genetics: Angel Style
Post by: Brunhidden on September 11, 2008, 02:53:58 PM
the question however is what happens to innocent children when the parents are dead? leaving the children alone is a death sentence, so i ponder if keaton just has a small hotel full of the hundreds of kids whose parents she slaughtered
Title: Re: 09/11/08 [Hybrids #12] - Hybrid Genetics: Angel Style
Post by: James StarRunner on September 11, 2008, 03:10:50 PM
Quote from: Jairus on September 11, 2008, 02:34:19 PM
Conniving, manipulating schemers and plotters?
Actually, only one of them is and even then it's for somewhat innocent pranks. :P

Quote from: Brunhidden on September 11, 2008, 02:36:25 PM
angels, yes, technically

mine, im not sure but they're durable and more then dangerous to give keats a run for her money
Well you can make your babies adamantine golem warlords if you want. I'll just have fluffy little tricksters. :3
Title: Re: 09/11/08 [Hybrids #12] - Hybrid Genetics: Angel Style
Post by: LionHeart on September 12, 2008, 12:16:25 AM
Quote from: Alondro on September 11, 2008, 01:25:12 PM
*Charline disposes of her non-Cubi children in an efficient manner*  Burp...  >:3
Cronus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cronus) used that method, and it didn't work out too well...
Title: Re: 09/11/08 [Hybrids #12] - Hybrid Genetics: Angel Style
Post by: !KCA on September 12, 2008, 12:44:14 AM
Obviously, Azlan is slowly unconciously warping reality. If Neni can't have children, no angel can!
Title: Re: 09/11/08 [Hybrids #12] - Hybrid Genetics: Angel Style
Post by: James StarRunner on September 12, 2008, 12:57:19 AM
Quote from: !KCA on September 12, 2008, 12:44:14 AM
Obviously, Azlan is slowly unconciously warping reality. If Neni can't have children, no angel can!
*puts out a few angel children into the world*
Title: Re: 09/11/08 [Hybrids #12] - Hybrid Genetics: Angel Style
Post by: King Of Hearts on September 12, 2008, 06:33:09 AM
a slow sabotage is still possible... considering the lifespan of most creatures, granted their attention span is more similar to a being's.

O well hope to eventually some of em soon like how the Amazons showcased three different races themselves.
Title: Re: 09/11/08 [Hybrids #12] - Hybrid Genetics: Angel Style
Post by: Ghostwish on September 12, 2008, 09:11:56 AM
Quote from: Amber Williams on September 11, 2008, 11:38:56 AM
Well the thing to keep in mind if it was truly sabatoge, its a really slow and unproductive way of doing so.  Keep in mind Fluffy said that its with each generation, not "oh hey there are no more being born at all", so it isn't like there is a sudden stop.  Many angels still can have children, and even if they did fade out...its gonna be a loooooong time before it ever does.

Huh.. and here I was thinking it was a demonic plot of some kind.. I don't think the power-hungry and impatient folk would have the foresight to hatch a plot like that then. Maybe it really is the cubi. >:}

Or possibly even one of their own? HA! Fitting fate, plotting and manipulating the lives of so many others, only to be destroyed from within.
Title: Re: 09/11/08 [Hybrids #12] - Hybrid Genetics: Angel Style
Post by: Dracora on September 12, 2008, 12:01:08 PM
Actually, I was thinking it might have something to do with natural balance. The demon race is -thriving- to the point where its outnumbering most races 3 to 1. Maybe whatever is causing that is causing the angels to die? Maybe somehow the demon's strong existence is interfering with the angel births. Maybe they're sensitive to dark magics or some such and that emanates off of the demons.

Also, what happens when an angel and demon breed? I notice its possible to have a half breed between them...

Title: Re: 09/11/08 [Hybrids #12] - Hybrid Genetics: Angel Style
Post by: Brunhidden on September 12, 2008, 03:51:49 PM
Quote from: Dracora on September 12, 2008, 12:01:08 PM
Also, what happens when an angel and demon breed? I notice its possible to have a half breed between them...



its established they hate each other, but its theorized that produces cubi
Title: Re: 09/11/08 [Hybrids #12] - Hybrid Genetics: Angel Style
Post by: Amber Williams on September 12, 2008, 03:55:57 PM
Quote from: Brunhidden on September 12, 2008, 03:51:49 PM
its established they hate each other, but its theorized that produces cubi

Hate eachother? Where did I typo that? The Demon and Angel race love eachother. :U  Of all the halfbreeds the angel race have, over half of them are likely from demon pairings.
Title: Re: 09/11/08 [Hybrids #12] - Hybrid Genetics: Angel Style
Post by: Tapewolf on September 12, 2008, 04:08:13 PM
Quote from: Amber Williams on September 12, 2008, 03:55:57 PM
Hate eachother? Where did I typo that? The Demon and Angel race love eachother. :U  Of all the halfbreeds the angel race have, over half of them are likely from demon pairings.
In one of the HG strips (#3), Fluffy says that some pairings are possible but don't happen because the races hate each other ("look down on" was the precise wording).  It doesn't say which races, so I guess he jumped to a conclusion based on classical mythology.
Title: Re: 09/11/08 [Hybrids #12] - Hybrid Genetics: Angel Style
Post by: Jairus on September 12, 2008, 04:09:14 PM
Quote from: Amber Williams on September 12, 2008, 03:55:57 PM
Quote from: Brunhidden on September 12, 2008, 03:51:49 PM
its established they hate each other, but its theorized that produces cubi

Hate eachother? Where did I typo that? The Demon and Angel race love eachother. :U  Of all the halfbreeds the angel race have, over half of them are likely from demon pairings.
... seriously? Wow, that throws a handful of my theories out the window. But that kind of makes sense: Angels and Demons are fairly closely related, so if you don't want to go too far from your Race a cousin Race is pretty close.

Quote from: Tapewolf on September 12, 2008, 04:08:13 PM
In one of the HG strips (#3), Fluffy says that some pairings are possible but don't happen because the races hate each other ("look down on" was the precise wording).  It doesn't say which races, so I guess he jumped to a conclusion based on classical mythology.
Well, we know Dragons look down on other Races somewhat...
Title: Re: 09/11/08 [Hybrids #12] - Hybrid Genetics: Angel Style
Post by: Brunhidden on September 12, 2008, 05:22:11 PM
Quote from: Amber Williams on September 12, 2008, 03:55:57 PM
Quote from: Brunhidden on September 12, 2008, 03:51:49 PM
its established they hate each other, but its theorized that produces cubi

Hate eachother? Where did I typo that? The Demon and Angel race love eachother. :U  Of all the halfbreeds the angel race have, over half of them are likely from demon pairings.

your not married long enough to realise how that works, but one day you shall see the humor and irony that hate is an attractive force of equal power to love, but its been a few years sinse the demon+angel=cubi theory was put up so im not surprised it has sisne been outdated
Title: Re: 09/11/08 [Hybrids #12] - Hybrid Genetics: Angel Style
Post by: Ghostwish on September 12, 2008, 05:39:29 PM
Quote from: Amber Williams on September 12, 2008, 03:55:57 PM
Quote from: Brunhidden on September 12, 2008, 03:51:49 PM
its established they hate each other, but its theorized that produces cubi

Hate eachother? Where did I typo that? The Demon and Angel race love eachother. :U  Of all the halfbreeds the angel race have, over half of them are likely from demon pairings.

Well dang, shoot my theory down with an AA cannon! I'm really at a loss as to what is causing this angel shortage then.
Title: Re: 09/11/08 [Hybrids #12] - Hybrid Genetics: Angel Style
Post by: Alondro on September 12, 2008, 10:14:00 PM
Quote from: LionHeart on September 12, 2008, 12:16:25 AM
Quote from: Alondro on September 11, 2008, 01:25:12 PM
*Charline disposes of her non-Cubi children in an efficient manner*  Burp...  >:3
Cronus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cronus) used that method, and it didn't work out too well...

*Charline feh*  But his kids were immortal.  The non-Cubi ones of mine are pretty much just Beings, and thus food by default.   >:3
Title: Re: 09/11/08 [Hybrids #12] - Hybrid Genetics: Angel Style
Post by: Aurawyn on September 14, 2008, 11:56:10 AM
Quote from: Alondro on September 12, 2008, 10:14:00 PM
Quote from: LionHeart on September 12, 2008, 12:16:25 AM
Quote from: Alondro on September 11, 2008, 01:25:12 PM
*Charline disposes of her non-Cubi children in an efficient manner*  Burp...  >:3
Cronus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cronus) used that method, and it didn't work out too well...

*Charline feh*  But his kids were immortal.  The non-Cubi ones of mine are pretty much just Beings, and thus food by default.   >:3

Was the theory that  the Being offspring of a Cubi could maybe have a Cubi offspring, proven or disproved? (Basically the Cubi Gene skipping a generation)
Title: Re: 09/11/08 [Hybrids #12] - Hybrid Genetics: Angel Style
Post by: Alterationartist on September 15, 2008, 06:14:38 PM
Quote from: Dagardo on September 11, 2008, 12:06:37 AM
Quote from: Alterationartist on September 11, 2008, 12:05:02 AM
CRAP! Now I have you and Nat!

Please elaborate.
leave it to my email to inform me SO MUCH LATER that there was a topic reply. I was referring to one of my previous posts in the topic at which time, I was having my posts invaded by my figurative "shoulder angel"/friend, Nat. He doesn't enjoy immersing himself in my online communities, and prefers to remain anonymous when mentioned on the board/Deviantart/Youtube(*cough*). I chose to spite him by inserting his name behind one of his invasions into my posts along with "stay anonymous NOW!" Most of his insertions were his negative viewpoint on what I was saying on the subject of angels, effectively dubbing me "prick". You appeared to share that viewpoint which officially marked away anything I said, two to one (and so many gawd damn more! Holy crap!). Eh. I was pissed off that day, something that really shows itself when one has naught better to do. And no matter what anyone says, we've ALL had our bad days on the internet. At least, those who have used the internet for significantly over 3 months, anyway. Here's my emotionally unbiased opinion on angels:

I do think that angels could make a much better name for themselves, considering how close the negative portrayal to demons, but like Cubi (Dan, Abel), Mythos (Matilda), Dragons (Pyroduck) and Demons (Lorenda), there are those willing to uphold the side of righteousness far beyond their own well-being. Chances are they COULD die out, similar to Amber's portrayal of the existence and extinction of vampires in Furrae. Their numbers will slowly decline for different reasons, and they may try one last ditch attempt to up their numbers. The success of this could actually have a higher chance than vampires, of course, based on the many different grounds and likely a superior system assembled with regards to the mistakes of other races. Now I've said most of what I can remember, and am now considering the existence of Rock Band in Furrae. (Fanart idea senses... tingling!)
Title: Re: 09/11/08 [Hybrids #12] - Hybrid Genetics: Angel Style
Post by: Dagardo on September 17, 2008, 08:57:19 AM
Quote from: Alterationartist on September 15, 2008, 06:14:38 PM
Quote from: Dagardo on September 11, 2008, 12:06:37 AM
Quote from: Alterationartist on September 11, 2008, 12:05:02 AM
CRAP! Now I have you and Nat!

Please elaborate.
leave it to my email to inform me SO MUCH LATER that there was a topic reply. I was referring to one of my previous posts in the topic at which time, I was having my posts invaded by my figurative "shoulder angel"/friend, Nat. He doesn't enjoy immersing himself in my online communities, and prefers to remain anonymous when mentioned on the board/Deviantart/Youtube(*cough*). I chose to spite him by inserting his name behind one of his invasions into my posts along with "stay anonymous NOW!" Most of his insertions were his negative viewpoint on what I was saying on the subject of angels, effectively dubbing me "prick". You appeared to share that viewpoint which officially marked away anything I said, two to one (and so many gawd damn more! Holy crap!). Eh. I was pissed off that day, something that really shows itself when one has naught better to do. And no matter what anyone says, we've ALL had our bad days on the internet. At least, those who have used the internet for significantly over 3 months, anyway. Here's my emotionally unbiased opinion on angels:

All I'm getting out of that is Nat is kinda like the part of your conscience that is directed towards the Angel race. Course I don't know how you think so I could be completely wrong. Although I do know I like listening to Rammstein. :) This (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aTxEMJ_eTo) one especially. As for the other half of your post, all I get from that is , there are those who (as part of races that are ether sometimes or generally considered "badguys") are willing to do just the opposite and be "goodguys", although Abel would immediately say otherwise.
Title: Re: 09/11/08 [Hybrids #12] - Hybrid Genetics: Angel Style
Post by: Alterationartist on September 17, 2008, 05:55:49 PM
Nu! Nat is a real person who likes to act like my righteous conscience, but chooses to do so in a manner that would remove anything negative I have to say about anything else, without consider the positives, as I did in my earlier posts. Although I am normally one to see the good in people, rather than their faults, I do this from experience. Since I've seen no angels in DMFA, I based most of my early posts on hearsay... and conclusions... and one very pissy attitude. Until I see one do anything good or bad in DMFA and outside of Dogma (*cough*), I am hearby neutral on them for the respect of their fans, or what little there would be for a yet unseen race, but that's understandable to most people.

That considered, what would people think about a DMFA Rock Band fanart?
Title: Re: 09/11/08 [Hybrids #12] - Hybrid Genetics: Angel Style
Post by: Tapewolf on September 17, 2008, 06:04:38 PM
Quote from: Alterationartist on September 17, 2008, 05:55:49 PM
That considered, what would people think about a DMFA Rock Band fanart?

How do you mean?  Something like this?
http://www.freewebs.com/aperturepodcast/images/StarWarsBand.jpg

I've always thought that a 'Cubi would be awesome on keyboards.  I mean, if we look at Mr. Emerson here:

(http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k216/tapewolf/scraps/ke.png)
http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k216/tapewolf/scraps/ke.png

...the immediately obvious problem is that he's only got two hands.  If he had four wing tentacles as well, he'd be all set.
Title: Re: 09/11/08 [Hybrids #12] - Hybrid Genetics: Angel Style
Post by: Aleolus on September 17, 2008, 08:04:38 PM
I have a theory.  >.>  The Angel race requires a partner who is pure in nature in order to create lots of little angels who will thrive.  Purity is extremely difficult to find, these days <.<
Title: Re: 09/11/08 [Hybrids #12] - Hybrid Genetics: Angel Style
Post by: Alterationartist on September 17, 2008, 09:59:34 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on September 17, 2008, 06:04:38 PM
How do you mean?  Something like this?
http://www.freewebs.com/aperturepodcast/images/StarWarsBand.jpg

I've always thought that a 'Cubi would be awesome on keyboards.  I mean, if we look at Mr. Emerson here:

(http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k216/tapewolf/scraps/ke.png)
http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k216/tapewolf/scraps/ke.png

...the immediately obvious problem is that he's only got two hands.  If he had four wing tentacles as well, he'd be all set.

1. OH MY GOD!!! *ahem*
2. O MAH GAWD!!! *alsoahem*
3. You just gave me an idea that I will likely be unable to pull through with. Yay...
Title: Re: 09/11/08 [Hybrids #12] - Hybrid Genetics: Angel Style
Post by: James StarRunner on September 18, 2008, 01:59:38 AM
Quote from: Aleolus on September 17, 2008, 08:04:38 PM
I have a theory.  >.>  The Angel race requires a partner who is pure in nature in order to create lots of little angels who will thrive.  Purity is extremely difficult to find, these days <.<
James and wife come in to save the day! Yay!

(Both of our characters have full angel blood and we've already figured out their kids.)
Title: Re: 09/11/08 [Hybrids #12] - Hybrid Genetics: Angel Style
Post by: Amber Williams on September 18, 2008, 02:17:34 AM
Disclaimer:

While we here at DMFA like to encourage people to be creative and to not hold back when it comes to creating characters...we would also like to remind everyone that their personal characters are more or less non-canon and that while everyone is free to plot out their characters past/present/future...it is more than likely going to be non-canon and actually not have an impact on the actual DMFA universe.

That is all.
Title: Re: 09/11/08 [Hybrids #12] - Hybrid Genetics: Angel Style
Post by: James StarRunner on September 18, 2008, 04:08:48 AM
Heh... Just having a little fun Amber. Me and my wife were just being teased about having kids since we got married recently and because both of our characters are angels. It's all been playful banter. You yourself at AC (the year I was able to go...) said you wouldn't use my character again (doubly so without permission), so I know James won't have an impact in canon. Truthfully, even though the cameo was amusing, I wouldn't want James in canon anyways. I respect the comic too much to insert any character of mine in it.

Speaking of that cameo... I still would like to give something back for that gift and I think I have something in mind.
Title: Re: 09/11/08 [Hybrids #12] - Hybrid Genetics: Angel Style
Post by: Goatmon on September 18, 2008, 08:42:20 AM
Quote from: Jairus on September 12, 2008, 04:09:14 PM
Quote from: Amber Williams on September 12, 2008, 03:55:57 PM
Quote from: Brunhidden on September 12, 2008, 03:51:49 PM
its established they hate each other, but its theorized that produces cubi

Hate eachother? Where did I typo that? The Demon and Angel race love eachother. :U  Of all the halfbreeds the angel race have, over half of them are likely from demon pairings.
… seriously? Wow, that throws a handful of my theories out the window. But that kind of makes sense: Angels and Demons are fairly closely related, so if you don't want to go too far from your Race a cousin Race is pretty close.

Quote from: Tapewolf on September 12, 2008, 04:08:13 PM
In one of the HG strips (#3), Fluffy says that some pairings are possible but don't happen because the races hate each other ("look down on" was the precise wording).  It doesn't say which races, so I guess he jumped to a conclusion based on classical mythology.
Well, we know Dragons look down on other Races somewhat…

It's kind of hard not to look down on everyone when you're as big as a .... dragon.
Title: Re: 09/11/08 [Hybrids #12] - Hybrid Genetics: Angel Style
Post by: Alterationartist on September 18, 2008, 12:44:14 PM
Quote from: Amber Williams on September 18, 2008, 02:17:34 AM
Disclaimer:

While we here at DMFA like to encourage people to be creative and to not hold back when it comes to creating characters...we would also like to remind everyone that their personal characters are more or less non-canon and that while everyone is free to plot out their characters past/present/future...it is more than likely going to be non-canon and actually not have an impact on the actual DMFA universe.

That is all.
:U Le gasp!

Quote from: Goatmon on September 18, 2008, 08:42:20 AM
It's kind of hard not to look down on everyone when you're as big as a .... dragon.

I'd imagine looking up would have lost its purpose, though.
Title: Re: 09/11/08 [Hybrids #12] - Hybrid Genetics: Angel Style
Post by: Aleolus on September 18, 2008, 01:01:33 PM
Quote from: James StarRunner on September 18, 2008, 04:08:48 AM
Heh... Just having a little fun Amber. Me and my wife were just being teased about having kids since we got married recently and because both of our characters are angels. It's all been playful banter. You yourself at AC (the year I was able to go...) said you wouldn't use my character again (doubly so without permission), so I know James won't have an impact in canon. Truthfully, even though the cameo was amusing, I wouldn't want James in canon anyways. I respect the comic too much to insert any character of mine in it.

Speaking of that cameo... I still would like to give something back for that gift and I think I have something in mind.

Eh?  I do not remember this.  Perhaps yew would be so kinda as to point out this so-called cameo of your character?
Title: Re: 09/11/08 [Hybrids #12] - Hybrid Genetics: Angel Style
Post by: James StarRunner on September 18, 2008, 01:08:07 PM
Quote from: Aleolus on September 18, 2008, 01:01:33 PM
Eh?  I do not remember this.  Perhaps yew would be so kinda as to point out this so-called cameo of your character?
http://www.missmab.com/Demo/Cubi02.php aka my "so-called cameo".
Title: Re: 09/11/08 [Hybrids #12] - Hybrid Genetics: Angel Style
Post by: Jairus on September 18, 2008, 01:11:21 PM
Quote from: James StarRunner on September 18, 2008, 01:08:07 PM
Quote from: Aleolus on September 18, 2008, 01:01:33 PM
Eh?  I do not remember this.  Perhaps yew would be so kinda as to point out this so-called cameo of your character?
http://www.missmab.com/Demo/Cubi02.php aka my "so-called cameo".
Oh cool. So that's you? Neat. Very neat. And you have a very very dirty mind. Why am I not surprised?
Title: Re: 09/11/08 [Hybrids #12] - Hybrid Genetics: Angel Style
Post by: James StarRunner on September 18, 2008, 01:18:12 PM
Quote from: Jairus on September 18, 2008, 01:11:21 PM
Oh cool. So that's you? Neat. Very neat. And you have a very very dirty mind. Why am I not surprised?
It's not canon. James isn't supposed to have a dirty mind. I didn't even know about this until after the dozen or so private messages from others.

Look what you did Amber! My reputation is ruined! 'A'
Title: Re: 09/11/08 [Hybrids #12] - Hybrid Genetics: Angel Style
Post by: Mao on September 18, 2008, 01:21:45 PM
You say ruined.. I say improved.  There's nothing wrong with a 'dirty' mind.
Title: Re: 09/11/08 [Hybrids #12] - Hybrid Genetics: Angel Style
Post by: Dagardo on September 18, 2008, 01:25:06 PM
Quote from: James StarRunner on September 18, 2008, 01:18:12 PM
Quote from: Jairus on September 18, 2008, 01:11:21 PM
Oh cool. So that's you? Neat. Very neat. And you have a very very dirty mind. Why am I not surprised?
It's not canon. James isn't supposed to have a dirty mind. I didn't even know about this until after the dozen or so private messages from others.

Look what you did Amber! My reputation is ruined! 'A'

Canon or not, dirty minds are awesome, like  these (http://www.newgrounds.com/collection/awesome.html) vids.

As for reputation, I think they're stupid. If people don't like that's their problem.
Title: Re: 09/11/08 [Hybrids #12] - Hybrid Genetics: Angel Style
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on September 18, 2008, 02:27:34 PM
Quote from: Jairus on September 18, 2008, 01:11:21 PM
Oh cool. So that's you? Neat. Very neat. And you have a very very dirty mind. Why am I not surprised?

Law books are dirty?
Title: Re: 09/11/08 [Hybrids #12] - Hybrid Genetics: Angel Style
Post by: Jairus on September 18, 2008, 02:30:26 PM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on September 18, 2008, 02:27:34 PM
Quote from: Jairus on September 18, 2008, 01:11:21 PM
Oh cool. So that's you? Neat. Very neat. And you have a very very dirty mind. Why am I not surprised?

Law books are dirty?
Absolutely filthy. You should try reading one sometime, Boxy: all of that law technobabble - once translated back into English - is hot steamy romance. What, did you think "Objection!" actually means that you're objecting to something? Only in the court: outside, completely different. So lawyers get huge sums of money to have incredibly dirty minds. Lucky.
Title: Re: 09/11/08 [Hybrids #12] - Hybrid Genetics: Angel Style
Post by: Alterationartist on September 18, 2008, 04:15:35 PM
Not to mention feed off the misery of others
Title: Re: 09/11/08 [Hybrids #12] - Hybrid Genetics: Angel Style
Post by: Ghostwish on September 19, 2008, 12:25:20 AM
So... Aniz is a lawyer?
Title: Re: 09/11/08 [Hybrids #12] - Hybrid Genetics: Angel Style
Post by: Alterationartist on September 19, 2008, 12:28:47 AM
Not IS, but he has the potential to be. All he needs is a briefcase! *smack'd for Bee Movie reference*