So apparently, Aniz started out completely average wonder where he went insane.
And how....
Seriously, did not expect to be laughing at a visual representation of ANIZ.... :erk
He scared the heck out of me when I first read Chapter 1....
I still love Siar and I really must colour that sketch I did.
Huh. So there was (is?) a war between dragons and ALL cubi. I was under the impression that it was just Cyra the dragons were after.
And indeed, that is not how i expected to see Aniz.
This is probably gonna derail the topic big time, if anyone else thinks the mental images I got with this odd train of thought, but I imagined Aniz saying the 'I am a Walrus' line from Breakfast Club, then thought... Cue Walrus Cubi, cue him being pissed. Then went on to imagine said Walrus Cubi wearing a 'No Fat Chicks' T-shirt a la Peter Griffin, carrying a bucket, or wearing one on his head, or saying "They Took My Bucket!" or something. Zedd helped with that last part. Oddly I now want to see Amber's take on a Walrus Cubi.
Well... That sums up nicely why Abel likes hanging around Jyrras. Jy's habit of wallowing is self-pity must be like a free feast to Abel in some ways (aside from Jy being so easy to tease, which is obviously another reason Abel likes to be around him).
The fact that Amber used a kangaroo rat as the example in this comic is like she really wants us to make that connection... although I could still easily be mistaken. =n.n=;
i can see Siar's clan being tax collectors, government employees that deal directly with people, bankers, and repo. >:3
well, you did say misery... >:3
Quote from: Turnsky on April 17, 2009, 03:51:20 AM
i can see Siar's clan being tax collectors, government employees that deal directly with people, bankers, and repo. >:3
well, you did say misery... >:3
How about...
Chiropractors?
Quote from: Jer-oh-me on April 17, 2009, 04:14:35 AM
Quote from: Turnsky on April 17, 2009, 03:51:20 AM
i can see Siar's clan being tax collectors, government employees that deal directly with people, bankers, and repo. >:3
well, you did say misery... >:3
How about...
Chiropractors?
Dentists.
Quote from: Turnsky on April 17, 2009, 04:16:04 AM
Quote from: Jer-oh-me on April 17, 2009, 04:14:35 AM
Quote from: Turnsky on April 17, 2009, 03:51:20 AM
i can see Siar's clan being tax collectors, government employees that deal directly with people, bankers, and repo. >:3
well, you did say misery... >:3
How about...
Chiropractors?
Dentists.
I hate you more now :<
Quote from: Teh_Hobo on April 17, 2009, 03:21:01 AM
Huh. So there was (is?) a war between dragons and ALL cubi. I was under the impression that it was just Cyra the dragons were after.
That may be the case now, but I have heard that that dragons wanted to be rid of the whole 'Cubi race. If the war as a whole has died down, it may be that Cyra's clan is some kind of rogue faction.
It's unverifiable and may be misinformation but it's been rumoured that the Dragons were somehow responsible for creating the 'Cubi race by accident and have been trying to 'correct' that mistake ever since.
QuoteAnd indeed, that is not how i expected to see Aniz.
Quite. Maybe we'll find out what made him lose it. I'd like to think he eventually recovers, but I guess we'll have to wait and see.
...I still wonder whether the fact that Siar did well out of the Dragon War is in some way related to Destania's ire towards Aniz.
Quote from: Turnsky on April 17, 2009, 03:51:20 AM
i can see Siar's clan being tax collectors, government employees that deal directly with people, bankers, and repo. >:3
well, you did say misery... >:3
If it's all done via messaging spheres, it ain't going to work. Except the repo man, and even that might be doable remotely.
Quote from: Turnsky on April 17, 2009, 04:16:04 AM
Dentists.
"Dentistry happens to be the second most popular career choice for
anxiety cubi!" (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_955.php)
So consoling a widow is one way to feed for Abel's clan. :erk
Well it helps the widow while they get a free meal out of it. Even if they help the person their feeding on it's still feeding on the initial sorrow of someone.
But it strange that Aniz would do some of the things he did at May's suggestion to go to the demon city. Was it for Abel, May, or the both of them?
It's just kind of hard to get a read on Aniz's motives their.
Quote from: joshofspam on April 17, 2009, 04:27:00 AM
So consoling a widow is one way to feed for Abel's clan. :erk
Well it helps the widow while they get a free meal out of it. Even if they help the person their feeding on it's still feeding on the initial sorrow of someone.
I forgot to mention that I thought the clergyman guy there was kind of cool, if a bit sinister. Curiously we haven't yet seen a particularly colourful member of Siar clan. Most of them seem to take after natural colours, wings excepted of course.
Now, another thing I forgot to mention was that if you look at the silhouettes in the top panel, they have a mix of headwings. Some are batlike. I guess the reason Aniz was so ecstatic about Abel's weird appearance compared to the rest of the clan members we've seen is something we have yet to learn.
QuoteBut it strange that Aniz would do some of the things he did at May's suggestion to go to the demon city. Was it for Abel, May, or the both of them?
First thing that springs to mind is that things would have got rather ugly for his project if they'd split up.
EDIT:
Quote from: PinkKitty on April 17, 2009, 03:46:20 AM
Well... That sums up nicely why Abel likes hanging around Jyrras. Jy's habit of wallowing is self-pity must be like a free feast to Abel in some ways (aside from Jy being so easy to tease, which is obviously another reason Abel likes to be around him).
Interesting, but that doesn't explain why he has been so consistently eager to
stop Dan from being miserable.
Quote from: Fa'LinaHe was completely average for his age.
A troublemaker, rebellious teen, I see.
"Look at him, causing joy and laughter. That kid will come to no good, I tell you."
With regards,
Ted
This strip kind of makes me wonder how clan Siar was hunted down to extinction. If they managed to increase in power during the dragon wars, an even which, I take it caused a lot of clans to become weaker, how did they end up losing it all?
Obviously, a lot of things could have happened in between present comic date and the war. Still, I figure if they were one of the more powerful clans. I suppose since Aniz and Abel don't have wing-heads, something might have happened to Siar, and likely being an unpopular clan, they were soon nearly exterminated afterward. Still, it seems a bit odd for a powerful clan to deteriorate so.
... They attacked Fa'Lina's clan. You think possibly she might have done something about that?
Quote from: The1Kobra on April 17, 2009, 07:10:34 AM
This strip kind of makes me wonder how clan Siar was hunted down to extinction. If they managed to increase in power during the dragon wars, an even which, I take it caused a lot of clans to become weaker, how did they end up losing it all?
We may find out, since Fa'Lina seems to be giving a potted history of the clan.
EDIT:
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on April 17, 2009, 07:37:22 AM
... They attacked Fa'Lina's clan. You think possibly she might have done something about that?
They didn't think much of her ideals, but I'm not sure we know that they actually attacked her outright.
Quote from: Tapewolf on April 17, 2009, 07:38:38 AM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on April 17, 2009, 07:37:22 AM
... They attacked Fa'Lina's clan. You think possibly she might have done something about that?
They didn't think much of her ideals, but I'm not sure we know that they actually attacked her outright.
"Anything except save your own clan from genocide"
"Always have to try to save us all, one by one... I'm sorry that my clan took that as a sign of weakness."
(here (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Ab_016.php) and here (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Ab_018.php))
Hrm. Okay, I grant you it's not specific, but those two are fairly indicative, wouldn't you say? "Genocide" doesn't absolutely require an attack, but still...
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on April 17, 2009, 07:54:33 AM
"Anything except save your own clan from genocide"
"Always have to try to save us all, one by one... I'm sorry that my clan took that as a sign of weakness."
Hrm. Okay, I grant you it's not specific, but those two are fairly indicative, wouldn't you say? "Genocide" doesn't absolutely require an attack, but still...
I read it as them not helping (or maybe pointing and laughing) rather than actively working against Fa'Lina's clan. Anyway, just because Aniz knows what happened to her clan doesn't necessarily mean that his clan was involved.
Gotta say it. The career that would cause the most misery?
Lawyers.
:P
Does anyone else seem to think that this juxtaposition implies that the Cubi-Dragon war was fairly recent, at least of the time of Abel's strip? Do we have any idea how long SAIA has been there?
Quote from: Corgatha Taldorthar on April 17, 2009, 09:11:07 AM
Does anyone else seem to think that this juxtaposition implies that the Cubi-Dragon war was fairly recent, at least of the time of Abel's strip? Do we have any idea how long SAIA has been there?
Something like over 7,000 years, I think. Dee went there as a young cubi (Fa'lina compares Dan to her at the same age) and Dee's supposed to be about that old, IIRC.
Aniz looks so much like Dan it's uncanny
Quote from: Corgatha Taldorthar on April 17, 2009, 09:11:07 AM
Does anyone else seem to think that this juxtaposition implies that the Cubi-Dragon war was fairly recent, at least of the time of Abel's strip? Do we have any idea how long SAIA has been there?
SAIA was founded approximately 7000 years prior to present-day DMFA. This was when the Clan War was at it's height - whether this is the same event or an offshoot of the Dragon War is not currently clear. It has been suggested that the Dragons sparked it in an attempt to get the Clans to exterminate each other thus doing their dirty work for them, but this is speculation.
Quote from: Tapewolf on April 17, 2009, 04:40:59 AM
Curiously we haven't yet seen a particularly colourful member of Siar clan. Most of them seem to take after natural colours, wings excepted of course.
Says the man who's most colourful Creature is Daryil. And that's just what he wears!
Quote from: Pagan on April 17, 2009, 09:42:43 AM
Says the man who's most colourful Creature is Daryil. And that's just what he wears!
Actually, it was my own failings that prompted me to raise that point...
Quote from: Tapewolf on April 17, 2009, 09:45:20 AM
Quote from: Pagan on April 17, 2009, 09:42:43 AM
Says the man who's most colourful Creature is Daryil. And that's just what he wears!
Actually, it was my own failings that prompted me to raise that point...
I was just teasin' ya. No offense meant.
Personally, if they want to find misery, they should walk on over to a college campus. They'd get filled there.
I think it's probable that this is at about the last panel is about four hundred and forty years ago. Seeing as Aniz is four hundred and sixty-four (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Ab_012.php), even if he doesn't act like it.
Quote from: tiggertoo on April 17, 2009, 09:27:23 AM
Quote from: Corgatha Taldorthar on April 17, 2009, 09:11:07 AM
Does anyone else seem to think that this juxtaposition implies that the Cubi-Dragon war was fairly recent, at least of the time of Abel's strip? Do we have any idea how long SAIA has been there?
Something like over 7,000 years, I think. Dee went there as a young cubi (Fa'lina compares Dan to her at the same age) and Dee's supposed to be about that old, IIRC.
Fa'Lina could have known Destania before she founded SAIA.......... There is no reason to have to connect the two events.
Quote from: Corgatha Taldorthar on April 17, 2009, 10:00:51 AM
Fa'Lina could have known Destania before she founded SAIA.......... There is no reason to have to connect the two events.
I don't know if they knew each other before, but Destania was approximately Dan's age when she was sent to SAIA. Unwillingly, if Fa'Lina's speech in 489 is true.
Quote from: Pagan on April 17, 2009, 09:52:06 AM
I was just teasin' ya. No offense meant.
None taken.
Quote from: Corgatha Taldorthar on April 17, 2009, 10:00:51 AM
Quote from: tiggertoo on April 17, 2009, 09:27:23 AM
Quote from: Corgatha Taldorthar on April 17, 2009, 09:11:07 AM
Does anyone else seem to think that this juxtaposition implies that the Cubi-Dragon war was fairly recent, at least of the time of Abel's strip? Do we have any idea how long SAIA has been there?
Something like over 7,000 years, I think. Dee went there as a young cubi (Fa'lina compares Dan to her at the same age) and Dee's supposed to be about that old, IIRC.
Fa'Lina could have known Destania before she founded SAIA.......... There is no reason to have to connect the two events.
Nor is there any reason not to.
Quote from: GabrielsThoughts on April 17, 2009, 09:31:21 AM
Aniz looks so much like Dan it's uncanny
I can't really see it. :S I mean, yeah.. they're both feline incubi with a flat base colour.. but that's about it all the similarities that I see.
Quote from: Alondro on April 17, 2009, 08:38:49 AM
Gotta say it. The career that would cause the most misery?
Lawyers.
:P
Have to agree here as no matter which way a case goes, someone is miserable.
Quote from: Mao Laoren on April 17, 2009, 10:39:13 AM
Quote from: GabrielsThoughts on April 17, 2009, 09:31:21 AM
Aniz looks so much like Dan it's uncanny
I can't really see it. :S I mean, yeah.. they're both feline incubi with a flat base colour.. but that's about it all the similarities that I see.
I think that Gabriel meant that Aniz looked like a clown. Dan normally acts like a fool as well. Not a physical resemblance, but the two look similar because of their actions.
Oh, wow...
An entire cubi clan of Scientologists!
Aniz as a goofy teenager is not one I've expected to see. Also, my first thought when I saw the Roo-rat was "Earzilla Junior!" My second thought was "Is that a widower or a widow?"
As for Jyrras being miserable... I'd call him mopey and a bit of a worry-wart, but aside from that bit where he though Alexsi was being a jerk to Abel, I don't think he's been truly miserable for as long as he's known Abel. Jyrras might be enough for an appetizer, but Abel doesn't seem to be encouraging Jyrras to be miserable or anything like that. Maybe Abel is kind of resisting his clan's inclinations or something like that.
Quote from: Ganurath on April 17, 2009, 10:49:13 AM
Oh, wow...
An entire cubi clan of Scientologists!
*snrk*
Quote from: Pagan on April 17, 2009, 10:47:18 AM
I think that Gabriel meant that Aniz looked like a clown. Dan normally acts like a fool as well. Not a physical resemblance, but the two look similar because of their actions.
When I get home to my usual editing station, I'll take you up on that.
Quote from: Jairus on April 17, 2009, 10:50:09 AM
Aniz as a goofy teenager is not one I've expected to see.
I'm not convinced it was so long ago. He hasn't been one of the most mature characters we've seen - that may have been his SAIA leaving party for all we know.
QuoteJyrras might be enough for an appetizer, but Abel doesn't seem to be encouraging Jyrras to be miserable or anything like that. Maybe Abel is kind of resisting his clan's inclinations or something like that.
More to the point, SAIA. Abel tries to prevent Dan becoming depressed at virtually every turn. Arguably that is another reason he took Jyrras under his (head) wing.
Pppht. Aniz was silly!
Quote from: Turnsky on April 17, 2009, 03:51:20 AM
i can see Siar's clan being tax collectors, government employees that deal directly with people, bankers, and repo. >:3
well, you did say misery... >:3
Hmmmmm...We already saw undertakers... How about gym teachers, or going along the more benevolent ones, psychiatrists and oncologists? Sure they make you feel better, but you show up to them with a lot of pain.
Quote from: Tapewolf on April 17, 2009, 10:56:57 AM
Quote from: Jairus on April 17, 2009, 10:50:09 AM
Aniz as a goofy teenager is not one I've expected to see.
I'm not convinced it was so long ago. He hasn't been one of the most mature characters we've seen - that may have been his SAIA leaving party for all we know.
Good point. I suspect we'll have clarification next week.
Quote from: Tapewolf on April 17, 2009, 10:56:57 AM
QuoteJyrras might be enough for an appetizer, but Abel doesn't seem to be encouraging Jyrras to be miserable or anything like that. Maybe Abel is kind of resisting his clan's inclinations or something like that.
More to the point, SAIA. Abel tries to prevent Dan becoming depressed at virtually every turn. Arguably that is another reason he took Jyrras under his (head) wing.
Methinks that someone who feeds on depression might eventually learn how to prevent it or at least help get people past it. Not a natural skill, but the possibility exists.
Quote from: Black_angel on April 17, 2009, 11:01:45 AM
Pppht. Aniz was silly!
Quote from: Turnsky on April 17, 2009, 03:51:20 AM
i can see Siar's clan being tax collectors, government employees that deal directly with people, bankers, and repo. >:3
well, you did say misery... >:3
Hmmmmm...We already saw undertakers... How about gym teachers, or going along the more benevolent ones, psychiatrists and oncologists? Sure they make you feel better, but you show up to them with a lot of pain.
What about dentists? I usually leave their office in more pain than when I arrived.
I'm probably restating the obvious but the way Fa'Lina says it and how its depicted makes me think that Aniz is one of Siar's direct sons.
Also in the second panel what is coming in to that window?
Quote from: The_one_who_is_odd on April 17, 2009, 01:02:29 PM
Also in the second panel what is coming in to that window?
A 'cubi. There's the arm holding up the window and a wing tentacle (with draconoid head, so either a 'cubi with a living founder or a great deal of power)
Quote from: The_one_who_is_odd on April 17, 2009, 01:02:29 PM
I'm probably restating the obvious but the way Fa'Lina says it and how its depicted makes me think that Aniz is one of Siar's direct sons.
I'm not sure that would work date-wise. As I understand it, Tri-Wings can't have children. While it's possible that she was taken down more recently, the height of the Clan Wars was supposedly about 7000 years ago (remember, Fa'Lina is just under 9000 years old at this point, so if these are her recollections, they could go back a long, long time).
I took 'children' as meaning 'clan members'.
QuoteAlso in the second panel what is coming in to that window?
A Siar-clan 'Cubi breaking and entering.
Quote from: Mao Laoren on April 17, 2009, 10:39:13 AM
Quote from: GabrielsThoughts on April 17, 2009, 09:31:21 AM
Aniz looks so much like Dan it's uncanny
I can't really see it. :S I mean, yeah.. they're both feline incubi with a flat base colour.. but that's about it all the similarities that I see.
(http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k216/tapewolf/dmfa/daniz.png)
http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k216/tapewolf/dmfa/daniz.png
Apart from adding Dan on the left for reference, this was all done through chroma manipulation of the original image.
(And yes, I'll have to slap my wrist for the double-post)
The resemblance is almost uncanny.
Tape, I think your Photoshop skills need a little more work. That or you've gotten a bit rusty.
The left side of the Aniz/Dan's hair is outlined in Really dark blue.
Also, about the two looking alike, I think it's because of similar base color and a similar hairstyle. And fluffy wings as well<3
Quote from: Tapewolf on April 17, 2009, 02:35:22 PM
Quote from: Mao Laoren on April 17, 2009, 10:39:13 AM
Quote from: GabrielsThoughts on April 17, 2009, 09:31:21 AM
Aniz looks so much like Dan it's uncanny
I can't really see it. :S I mean, yeah.. they're both feline incubi with a flat base colour.. but that's about it all the similarities that I see.
(http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k216/tapewolf/dmfa/daniz.png)
http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k216/tapewolf/dmfa/daniz.png
Apart from adding Dan on the left for reference, this was all done through chroma manipulation of the original image.
(And yes, I'll have to slap my wrist for the double-post)
No offense Tape, but if you have to alter base characteristics such as fur color, feather color and eye color I would hardly call it 'uncanny' as the post I was responding to did. As I pointed out, the only real similarities between Dan and Aniz were highlighted by your alteration. They're both Feline and 'Cubi.
Quote from: Baal Hadad on April 17, 2009, 03:18:40 AM
And how....
Seriously, did not expect to be laughing at a visual representation of ANIZ.... :erk
He scared the heck out of me when I first read Chapter 1....
You weren't around for the intermission (http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k216/tapewolf/dmfa/no_this_isnt_his_backup_plan.jpg), were you?
"Let's all go to the lobby, let's all go to the lobby!"
Fun fact: Not every Abel's Story thread needs to talk about the Edward-Aniz theory, guys. CAN WE GO FOR ONE THREAD WITHOUT DOING SO? D: I'll give the people who manage to avoid talking about it a cookie.
No, you don't each get a cookie. You all get one cookie. To share. Sharing is caring.
I loved this comic, though. Siar looks great, and her clan's tendencies probably explain part of Aniz's modus operandi. Although not even the image of him looking silly with chopsticks hanging out of his mouth can make me like him :<
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on April 17, 2009, 04:44:30 PM
Fun fact: Not every Abel's Story thread needs to talk about the Edward-Aniz theory, guys. CAN WE GO FOR ONE THREAD WITHOUT DOING SO? D: I'll give the people who manage to avoid talking about it a cookie.
Sorry, Keaton, it doesn't work that way: the very nature of a conspiracy means that anytime something even remotely related comes up, the conspiracy will always be mentioned.
To apologize for shooting your request down, here, have a cookie. :mowcookie No, bad Mow! Put that cookie down!
And the thing with the chopsticks... it just shows how far Aniz has fallen. Like the difference between Harvey and Two-Face in
The Dark Knight. It's a little... sad.
Quote from: Rambon on April 17, 2009, 03:22:31 PM
Tape, I think your Photoshop skills need a little more work. That or you've gotten a bit rusty.
The left side of the Aniz/Dan's hair is outlined in Really dark blue.
Or I spent five minutes doing it?
Quote from: Mao Laoren on April 17, 2009, 03:45:59 PM
No offense Tape, but if you have to alter base characteristics such as fur color, feather color and eye color I would hardly call it 'uncanny' as the post I was responding to did.
I beg to differ. To me, they look quite similar because I did not have to change his
structure to get a reasonable impression of Dan. If it was Abel or Devin, I'd have to change the tail, redraw the ears and in Abel's case airbrush out all the spots. With Dan? Change the colours.
QuoteAs I pointed out, the only real similarities between Dan and Aniz were highlighted by your alteration. They're both Feline and 'Cubi.
More to the point, they're both the same kind of feline. As mentioned, I would not be able to get Devin or Abel to resemble a wingless Dan by changing his hue and value.
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on April 17, 2009, 04:44:30 PM
Fun fact: Not every Abel's Story thread needs to talk about the Edward-Aniz theory, guys. CAN WE GO FOR ONE THREAD WITHOUT DOING SO?
Keaton, I very deliberately
did not do that.
Quote from: Tapewolf on April 17, 2009, 05:02:28 PM
Keaton, I very deliberately did not do that.
I know
you weren't, Tape.
I seem to have Epically Failed in a roundabout way, though, now that I really think about it. :< Carry on, folks.
I could be evil and comment on how Dan's eyes take after his mother's, while in general halfbreeds take after the non-cubi in looks, but eh, he has his father's hair and skin color. But hey, we're bound to find out what happened with Aniz within the next four years! Surely we can wait that long. ^_^
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on April 17, 2009, 05:05:58 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on April 17, 2009, 05:02:28 PM
Keaton, I very deliberately did not do that.
I know you weren't, Tape.
I seem to have Epically Failed in a roundabout way, though, now that I really think about it. :< Carry on, folks.
My guess is it was the comparison to Edward's
son, Daniel, that probably made you think of the classic murderously annoying to some theory that is Edward = Aniz.
...at least they can't start Aniz = Daniel.
Quote from: Janus Whitefurr on April 17, 2009, 07:44:55 PM
...at least they can't start Aniz = Daniel.
Don't tempt me >:3
Eh, I just took a look at the hair, and while it resembles that of Aniz, it in fact resembles that of his mother even more. Facial shape also similar to both, probably just the typical feline face shape, pointy chin and round cheeks?
Quote from: Janus Whitefurr on April 17, 2009, 07:44:55 PM...at least they can't start Aniz = Daniel.
My ex has already (jokingly) considered it :<
... awww.... turn that frown upside down... and if that saying doesn't work... well... what about the possibility no one's yet mentioned... Aniz is actually Lorenda's father :U
that way, he is dead, and so are all other possible conspiracies... :3
There was also a beaver (http://missmab.com/Comics/Ab_044.php) that looked similar to Dan. I'm not seeing the resemblance in Dan and Aniz, either.
BUT BACK ON TOPIC!
I liked this one. A lot. I've liked Aniz, from his official introduction..but I'm starting to think I might actually like him even more. :U
Also..where are you people seeing a roo-rat? I thought that yellow thing was a bunny..
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on April 17, 2009, 07:59:21 PM
Quote from: Janus Whitefurr on April 17, 2009, 07:44:55 PM...at least they can't start Aniz = Daniel.
My ex has already (jokingly) considered it :<
*Charles ohs?* Your 'ex', you say? So that means... you're available. :kruger
*Charline gets a cold chill!* Wow... that even creeped me out! :erk
Well, you know that there is another possible reason for the two characters looking similar. Amber drew both of them.
I also think this forum has reached the point where no theory will ever stand out because of its outlandishness.
It has been said that a really good pun (or bad, depending on your point of view) is one where nobody can look at you for a day after. Should we try using that as a criteria for posting theories. If so, I have posted a few in the past that would stop people looking at me for a week. (Fortunately, forumites can still post without seeing each other.)
(http://24.106.113.210/otown/Ab_052cr.jpg)
Wat a minute...
I'm not getting the connection between seduction and misery...
If you seduce a person away from somebody else, the other person will be miserable?
So I would say middle of the road for Aniz is he's in between the preacher who's consoling the widow and the more darker side of his clan.
You know, he could care but doesn't mean he always does. He may have been great friends with the current group at the inn if he didn't go crazy.
I mean could you see Abel and the uncrazy Aniz having a time convincing JY JY that cubi ate their ugly young. Oh to the things that three cubi could get in trouble for at the inn. :rolleyes
Sigh, but it would never happen. We have plenty of chaos and Aniz might make that go over the edge of reasonable chaos. :P
Quote from: Rafe on April 18, 2009, 12:27:26 AM
Wat a minute...
I'm not getting the connection between seduction and misery...
Seduce your victims. Make them fall for you. And then dump them. Much misery to feed on! :dface
Or you could always marry them, have a kid, and run off 25 years later, leaving them as shattered husks of their formers selves. That seems to work... :<
Quote from: insidexml on April 18, 2009, 12:32:30 AM
If you seduce a person away from somebody else, the other person will be miserable?
I kind of agree with Tezkat he beat me to it by a few seconds.
If you break up the relation ship with the person you made to cheat on their relationship that person is miserable too.
you feed when you tell the person your not staying right after you make them break up. Then you take the place of the person that that left the other person. Drinking it all in, it might be a common way how this particular clan has their children. :erk
Plain old seduction, I still don't see. Anything could cause misery if you use it to screw someone over. Still, I guess it would give you a lot of easy opportunities for woe.
Guy: My wife and I were very happy for twenty years...
Other Guy: What happened?
Guy: We Met.
That is plain old seduction, as far as I know; make someone fall for you when you don't care about them, and then use, abuse, and dispose of them at your whim. That's the whole original purpose.
Quote from: techmaster-glitch on April 18, 2009, 01:01:33 AM
That is plain old seduction, as far as I know; make someone fall for you when you don't care about them, and then use, abuse, and dispose of them at your whim. That's the whole original purpose.
Yeah, if you care about them and plan to make a permanent relationship, then it's called
courtship.
Due to a freak accident involving Mab's cooking, Dan was thrust back in time several millenia. He changed his identity and eventually founded a clan under it, clan Siar. Ultimately, he found a way to return to the future, rejoining Mab and leaving his clan founderless. All of this is part of a Xanatos gambit by Mab.
Quote from: Alondro on April 17, 2009, 10:21:23 PM
*Charles ohs?* Your 'ex', you say? So that means... you're available. :kruger
Oh, grow up.
Quote from: Tezkat on April 18, 2009, 12:43:55 AM
Seduce your victims. Make them fall for you. And then dump them. Much misery to feed on! :dface
Or you could always marry them, have a kid, and run off 25 years later, leaving them as shattered husks of their formers selves. That seems to work... :<
I don't buy it. In both cases, the victim will be miserable, but because you've got rid of them, they'll be miserable
away from you and you won't be able to absorb it.
In the latter case, which is what Aniz did to Abel, he had 25 years of very little misery and then a massive binge at the end. What you really want is lots of continuous misery...
Quote from: Tapewolf on April 18, 2009, 05:45:34 AM
In the latter case, which is what Aniz did to Abel, he had 25 years of very little misery and then a massive binge at the end. What you really want is lots of continuous misery...
Oh, I don't know. The 8 years at the start, back in the small town, wouldn't have been too bad.
I do have to wonder how much of a hand Aniz had in Cindy's death. It wouldn't be too hard to speak to a third party - or a fourth - and persuade them to think the way you want them to about Cindy. ie, Aniz talks to the grocer, who then persuades the butcher to make unkind remarks in Cindy's hearing... Aniz has his hands clean and clear, Cindy is miserable. If Aniz was doing that sort of thing, then it'd keep going after they left, and would explain why Cindy got sadder and sadder. And it's very very hard to defend yourself against that sort of smear campaign.
As for once they moved to Zinvth, it's a big city. There'll be miserable people all over the place. And even if not, there's lots of other emotions to feed on. After all, it's not like preferences mean you can't nom down on other emotional types.
Marry a woman and have a kid who has wings. That then puts her through the misery of public gossip.
Twenty five years later, batter your wife and kid, kill your son's best friend, drag him off to a strange school, and threaten to kill his mother.
Then adopt a new identity, return to your wife, and console her about the fact that her husband was a cad, she'll probably never see her son again, and the fact that she blames herself.
After she dies of old age, invite Abel back for the funeral and reveal that you've been living with your wife for a good many years under a different identity.
That should produce a lot of misery to feed on.
And I have not mentioned the conspiracy theory that shall not been named.
I doubt Aniz would go back to Zinvth, despite the potential he has to torment May. I'm sure someone there can pick up 'Cubi, and if Fa'Lina is to be believed, offing Hennya produced some very bad blood. It's probably too dangerous for him to show his face, unless he has some *really* airtight disguise. I'd bet he's probably moving on to some random city and doing his thing.
Quote from: Alondro on April 17, 2009, 10:21:23 PM
*Charles ohs?* Your 'ex', you say? So that means... you're available. :kruger
*headlocks!* I am noooot! >:[
Quote from: Tapewolf on April 18, 2009, 05:45:34 AM
he had 25 years of very little misery and then a massive binge at the end.
It sounds to me that being in that kind of situation would resemble being anorexic or bulimic to a cubi.
Quote from: Tapewolf on April 18, 2009, 05:45:34 AM
I don't buy it. In both cases, the victim will be miserable, but because you've got rid of them, they'll be miserable away from you and you won't be able to absorb it.
In the latter case, which is what Aniz did to Abel, he had 25 years of very little misery and then a massive binge at the end. What you really want is lots of continuous misery...
:shapeshifters
Just because you dump someone in one guise doesn't mean you can't stick around in another. Indeed, you could get a lot of mileage out of this one. Crush someone's heart. Catch them on the rebound as someone else. Rinse and repeat until the poor thing is too devastated to open their heart to anyone again.
The possibilities widen even further if you add dream manipulation to the mix. >:]
Most Cubi don't
need to eat. Unless they're very powerful to begin with, just the ambient emotional energy in a populated region should suffice for maintenance. (For a guy like Dan, the emotions in a little place like Lost Lake were too much and gave him headaches.) So there's something to be said for quality over quantity.
If you didn't need to eat to survive, would you chow down at McDonald's every day or sit down to dine at a gourmet restaurant once a month?
Quote from: Tezkat on April 18, 2009, 02:30:49 PM
Most Cubi don't need to eat. Unless they're very powerful to begin with, just the ambient emotional energy in a populated region should suffice for maintenance. (For a guy like Dan, the emotions in a little place like Lost Lake were too much and gave him headaches.) So there's something to be said for quality over quantity.
If you didn't need to eat to survive, would you chow down at McDonald's every day or sit down to dine at a gourmet restaurant once a month?
Okay, yeah... that would make some sense, but I discounted the idea of them hanging out with the victim afterwards in another identity because I assumed that they wouldn't really be open to that until after they were no longer all that miserable.
Well... you could be the shoulder to cry on, too. The bartender who lends an ear as they drown their miseries. Or perhaps the nasty onlooker who gloats at their failings. Maybe even the perfect, beautiful coworker against whom they could never ever measure up.
You can be all sorts of things when you have the power to be anyone. Especially when you have many ageless years to put your plans into motion. Why, you could run a veritable misery farm! >:]
Quote from: The_one_who_is_odd on April 18, 2009, 01:09:55 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on April 18, 2009, 05:45:34 AM
he had 25 years of very little misery and then a massive binge at the end.
It sounds to me that being in that kind of situation would resemble being anorexic or bulimic to a cubi.
Sounds more like a sex session that took a quarter of a century to reach a climax to me.
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on April 18, 2009, 05:35:39 AM
Quote from: Alondro on April 17, 2009, 10:21:23 PM
*Charles ohs?* Your 'ex', you say? So that means... you're available. :kruger
Oh, grow up.
*Charline triples his size, akin to Fi in the latest comic!* Nyah ha ha! It worked! >:3
I wonder how many of Abel's clan were Wallstreet speculators and bankers. They're sure reaping the misery from the current economic downturn!
Quote from: Shadowcatcher on April 19, 2009, 12:19:11 PM
I wonder how many of Abel's clan were Wallstreet speculators and bankers. They're sure reaping the misery from the current economic downturn!
...Cramer...
Quote from: Shadowcatcher on April 19, 2009, 12:19:11 PM
I wonder how many of Abel's clan were Wallstreet speculators and bankers. They're sure reaping the misery from the current economic downturn!
Can you say "Thousand-year mortgage"? 'Accidentally' sold to Beings instead of Creatures?