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Title: 2016/02/01 [DMFA #1640] Bases Touched
Post by: ZacAttac21 on February 01, 2016, 02:52:39 AM
... Wait. Wait wait wait. Waaaaaaaaaiiit......

Am I reading this right? BIGGS WAS A GIRL!??1!

Mind =  Blown :boggle
Title: Re: 2016/01/25 [DMFA #1640] Burning Bridget
Post by: LoneHowler on February 01, 2016, 03:13:35 AM
Twins?
Edit: Check Biggs character page. It did hint at this under his history
Title: Re: 2016/01/25 [DMFA #1640] Burning Bridget
Post by: Viking ZX on February 01, 2016, 03:20:35 AM
I ... What? Must resist urge to archive trawl for mention of Bridget! But there is definitely something here!

Body surfer, maybe? We did get the answer that actually swapping a gender is pretty tough to do, IIRC.

Dang, that was a surprise.
Title: Re: 2016/02/01 [DMFA #1640] Burning Bridget
Post by: Tapewolf on February 01, 2016, 03:36:53 AM
Interesting, but I'm not sure it really makes much difference.  Though it is fun to see how quickly that smirk from last week got wiped off his face.
Title: Re: 2016/02/01 [DMFA #1640] Burning Bridget
Post by: ZacAttac21 on February 01, 2016, 04:28:54 AM
Quote from: Viking ZX on February 01, 2016, 03:20:35 AM
Body surfer, maybe? We did get the answer that actually swapping a gender is pretty tough to do, IIRC.


The only thing I remember on that subject was the fact that 'Cubi can't entirely swap genders.

EDIT: Looks like we were both remembering correctly: http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1422.php
Title: Re: 2016/02/01 [DMFA #1640] Burning Bridget
Post by: Tapewolf on February 01, 2016, 04:50:54 AM
Quote from: CubiKitsune on February 01, 2016, 04:28:54 AM
The only thing I remember on that subject was the fact that 'Cubi can't entirely swap genders.

AFAIK, they can't really do it at all - they can only assume the appearance of another gender.  They'll remain genetically male or female unless they actually get their DNA recoded.
Title: Re: 2016/02/01 [DMFA #1640] Burning Bridget
Post by: ZacAttac21 on February 01, 2016, 04:58:07 AM
Quote from: Tapewolf on February 01, 2016, 04:50:54 AM
Quote from: CubiKitsune on February 01, 2016, 04:28:54 AM
The only thing I remember on that subject was the fact that 'Cubi can't entirely swap genders.

AFAIK, they can't really do it at all - they can only assume the appearance of another gender.  They'll remain genetically male or female unless they actually get their DNA recoded.

That's what I meant.
Title: Re: 2016/02/01 [DMFA #1640] Burning Bridget
Post by: Jasonrevall on February 01, 2016, 05:00:21 AM
Whether you know this or not Amber this reveal meant a lot to someone I know. So I'd say it was worth touching on even if it's only one page. In fact that's even better as it makes the focus about the character. So thank you :3
Title: Re: 2016/02/01 [DMFA #1640] Burning Bridget
Post by: Kuzma Volkov on February 01, 2016, 05:25:24 AM
So..

Now the question is... Did he know it was Dan all along and was fulfilling his child hood crush while getting to see Dan squirm?
Title: Re: 2016/01/25 [DMFA #1640] Burning Bridget
Post by: Merlin on February 01, 2016, 06:10:54 AM
Quote from: LoneHowler on February 01, 2016, 03:13:35 AM
Twins?

I feel I should point out twins don't have to be the same gender anyway
Title: Re: 2016/02/01 [DMFA #1640] Burning Bridget
Post by: Wanderer on February 01, 2016, 06:47:08 AM
So... was Biggs originally a girl who had some sort of gender reassignment, magical or otherwise? Because I don't recall anything that hinted towards that at all at all. At all.
Title: Re: 2016/02/01 [DMFA #1640] Burning Bridget
Post by: Puyon on February 01, 2016, 07:00:30 AM
Trans Biggs...? That's something I didn't see coming but am glad that happened nonetheless. Never really see enough FTM lately... and c'mom Jyrras, it's extremely rude to bring up someone's dead name!

It does bring up some interesting points, since the concept of trans characters hasn't been brought up in a long time besides... this (http://'http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_891.php') instance, it could just be the character's opinion, but is being Trans frowned upon in Furrae? And it's funny this is brought up now because I was reading through the archive earlier and saw comic 1422 and saw the note about the magical/medical blend that could change one's biological sex and thought 'wow, that's one near alternative to HRT.' And being that it's also noted that it's not accessible on whimsy and that one has to be serious about it when they undergo the process, it'd make sense for Biggs to use it as a means of fully transitioning.

One more interesting point for me though... is that gender identity and sexual orientation do not correlate. And why I bring that up is... is that it may even still be possible for Biggs to have a thing for Dan. Though I get it, childhood crushes usually don't last that long and he's probably moved far past it. Biggs seems super focused on gorgeous ladies (or at least a gorgeous pair/set of legs attached to one) so maybe he's just full-on heterosexual (or compensating. Who knows!)

Ah. This. Turned out longer than I thought but the update really excited me...? I really wasn't expecting this and I'm glad too because boy, does it get tiring when the reveal is usually something like 'Oh! You were a girl all along and the hints were so obvious!!' And the character would revert to showing traits more traditional of their originally assigned gender. But Biggs is a character in extremely high power, he's always seemed like a naturally masculine character even if he's been very gross and disrespectful in the past but that's one of the best parts: he's not a trans character with the personality of cardboard who was just thrown in for audience appeal!! And I think that's great!

I'm sorry this did end up getting very long but I really can't understate my excitement? Biggs has been one of my personal favorite characters since I started reading and having this trait has helped me love him a bit more just... as someone who falls under the trans umbrella, I'm really glad you revealed/included this at all. I thought I was going to stop counting my blessings at Mink (and a good non-binary character is usually also a lot to ask for??). Sorry this got really long oh man I'm just really... happy...
Title: Re: 2016/02/01 [DMFA #1640] Burning Bridget
Post by: lilpuppy23 on February 01, 2016, 12:25:29 PM
Is it just me or am I completely unable to read out how Biggs was a girl?
Am I missing something?

As far as I'm concerned, in a magical fantasy setting, a guy having the name Bridget is not the least of your worries.
Title: Re: 2016/02/01 [DMFA #1640] Burning Bridget
Post by: Raskahn on February 01, 2016, 12:31:03 PM
Hah! Good 'ol Amber. Still gets me to go "Whuuuuuut?!"

Though, now I'm curious about what transpired.
Title: Re: 2016/02/01 [DMFA #1640] Burning Bridget
Post by: Delian Williams on February 01, 2016, 01:02:46 PM
Ambaaargh used fan service and plot twist... Wombo Combo!
"I'm whatever for Biggs" may become a thing, now.

The B bling works for Bridget as well, so well played. And considering Biggs' middle name is Dee, well played in-dee-d.

Actually, in a universe, in which sentences like "when Dan was a Meowth" or "when Dan became a priest" make sense,
there may still be a relatively easy explanation for Biggs' Bridget form. Still, I'm confused.

On a different note, I just realized how much power is combined in Lost Lake's denizens and patreons:
Like the head of Jycorp and "you wouldn't like me when I'm angry" Wildy, the sister of the twinks' leader.
Alexsi, who can make cubi hide under her staircase. Pyroduck, a dragon, who, by the way, can just call up
the phoenix oracle. Lorenda with her links to the soulstealer family. Abel with Fa'Lina and Kria as friends.
Excellent relations with a number of adventuring guilds. Oh, and a certain fae named Mab.
Title: Re: 2016/02/01 [DMFA #1640] Burning Bridget
Post by: Jasonrevall on February 01, 2016, 02:05:26 PM
Quote from: Puyon on February 01, 2016, 07:00:30 AM
I really wasn't expecting this and I'm glad too because boy, does it get tiring when the reveal is usually something like 'Oh! You were a girl all along and the hints were so obvious!!' And the character would revert to showing traits more traditional of their originally assigned gender.

I agree. Amber handled this reveal very well. Me and some of my friends were very happy about this update too.
Title: Re: 2016/02/01 [DMFA #1640] Burning Bridget
Post by: Puyon on February 01, 2016, 02:17:17 PM
For everyone confused I think I do have an explain?

Biggs is Wildy's twin. At birth, there would have been two little ferrets  you can say 'it's a girl!' for. That would be because... Wildy is female. We know this. She has been a girl always. Biggs would also have been designated female at birth and thus named Bridget. Wildy and Biggs would have had the same childhood friends but, presumably, Biggs was Bridget for the course that Dan knew him.

So why the change from Bridget to Biggs?

The answer is simple: Biggs is transgender. Now of course this could still be in the territory of headcanon but for me it's the most logical answer. For those unaware, being transgender means identifying as a gender other than the one you were assigned at birth. Biggs could have lived through his childhood as Bridget but may have later come to the discovery that he much prefers he/him pronouns, a masculine name and demeanor, masculine appearance...

Like... say he was suddenly changed from his Bridget form to his Biggs form. Would he be the same person if he didn't willingly become Biggs? I do not think so. Characters who have their body unnaturally changed into something vastly different from what they were before usually want to have their old form back and... wellll considering Biggs is in such a position of power, don't you think he would have the resource to change back if he pleased?

So to conclude... Biggs, despite what he was designated at birth, is male now. He doesn't use the name Bridget, he would probably beat you if you called him a girl or used she/her pronouns on him, and it's probably safe to say that it will stay as 'I'm gay for Biggs'
Title: Re: 2016/02/01 [DMFA #1640] Burning Bridget
Post by: Xiombarg on February 01, 2016, 03:28:58 PM
*crawls back from obscurity*

Ok. Do I need to start a "Let's See the back-story Flash-back" type movement?

Am I the only one that would like to see this, or am I alone, so terribly alone?

There is another theory here as well: What if Biggs was merely a cross-dressing, gender-curious child who was more-or-less a young Trap that Dan didn't trigger as a young adventurer? Maybe, growing up, Little Biggs didn't realize he wasn't a girl, because he had Wildy as a sister, and she wouldn't accept that she didn't actually have a twin sister... :ipod After all, it's not like Wildy ever imposes her will upon others, no matter how "off" her perceptions might be, right? Right?!? *ehem*

The depth of this can be quite staggering, if you let the void stare back at you long enough.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: 2016/02/01 [DMFA #1640] Burning Bridget
Post by: Jasonrevall on February 01, 2016, 03:31:14 PM
Quote from: Puyon on February 01, 2016, 02:17:17 PM
For everyone confused I think I do have an explain?

Biggs is Wildy's twin. At birth, there would have been two little ferrets  you can say 'it's a girl!' for. That would be because... Wildy is female. We know this. She has been a girl always. Biggs would also have been designated female at birth and thus named Bridget. Wildy and Biggs would have had the same childhood friends but, presumably, Biggs was Bridget for the course that Dan knew him.

So why the change from Bridget to Biggs?

The answer is simple: Biggs is transgender. Now of course this could still be in the territory of headcanon but for me it's the most logical answer. For those unaware, being transgender means identifying as a gender other than the one you were assigned at birth. Biggs could have lived through his childhood as Bridget but may have later come to the discovery that he much prefers he/him pronouns, a masculine name and demeanor, masculine appearance...

Like... say he was suddenly changed from his Bridget form to his Biggs form. Would he be the same person if he didn't willingly become Biggs? I do not think so. Characters who have their body unnaturally changed into something vastly different from what they were before usually want to have their old form back and... wellll considering Biggs is in such a position of power, don't you think he would have the resource to change back if he pleased?

So to conclude... Biggs, despite what he was designated at birth, is male now. He doesn't use the name Bridget, he would probably beat you if you called him a girl or used she/her pronouns on him, and it's probably safe to say that it will stay as 'I'm gay for Biggs'
Yes I fully agree. That's the same line of thinking I had. I think it's pretty obvious with the buildup of the world and how its just as hard if not harder to get a full permanent transition in this world as it would be in ours. Also I think I should also mention my group of friends were excited because one of my friends is trans and was very happy to see this.

*EDIT* I should also mention again the clarifcation of my friends was to clear up confusion about my previous statement as to why it meant a lot to my friend.
Title: Re: 2016/02/01 [DMFA #1640] Burning Bridget
Post by: Viking ZX on February 01, 2016, 03:54:41 PM
Everyone's throwing out that "He totally did this because he wanted to be male!" without looking at any other possible explanations.

What if Biggs is currently male because he made enough enemies that "Bridget" had to disappear? Almost died after a demon attack and took it as a chance to escape old foes?

There's a lot of possible reasons as to why Biggs is Biggs. It could have something to do with becoming the leader of the Twinks. It could have something to do with what happened to his mother.

There are a lot of reasons Biggs could have for switching sexes. For all we know, it's all part of this big master plan he's got going, and he'll go back to being Bridget again. We simply don't know.

It'll be interesting to find out, however.
Title: Re: 2016/02/01 [DMFA #1640] Burning Bridget
Post by: Cassi-kun on February 01, 2016, 04:08:38 PM
Just realized it's possible Biggs DID recognize Dan (kidnapping Alexsi "by mistake" WAS a deliberate ploy to let Dee see her again) and now I'm cracking up at the idea of the crossdressing incident just being Biggs going for broke at having the chance to hit on his childhood crush at last.
Title: Re: 2016/02/01 [DMFA #1640] Burning Bridget
Post by: Jasonrevall on February 01, 2016, 04:36:46 PM
Quote from: Viking ZX on February 01, 2016, 03:54:41 PM
Everyone's throwing out that "He totally did this because he wanted to be male!" without looking at any other possible explanations.

What if Biggs is currently male because he made enough enemies that "Bridget" had to disappear? Almost died after a demon attack and took it as a chance to escape old foes?

There's a lot of possible reasons as to why Biggs is Biggs. It could have something to do with becoming the leader of the Twinks. It could have something to do with what happened to his mother.

There are a lot of reasons Biggs could have for switching sexes. For all we know, it's all part of this big master plan he's got going, and he'll go back to being Bridget again. We simply don't know.

It'll be interesting to find out, however.

You're overlooking the fact that it's incredibly dangerous to fully transition in this world. Out of all the options to go into hiding why take the one that has a high chance of death and then possibly try that again to go through the chance of death again?

Also maybe some of us want to believe he is trans its just as valid as any other theory. You don't need to shoot it down so hard. If you have your own theory we'll happily hear it. No need to be hostile to other theories.

But you're right we don't know and it's possible we never will and thats fine. It's his business not ours.
Title: Re: 2016/01/25 [DMFA #1640] Burning Bridget
Post by: tikitori on February 01, 2016, 05:35:43 PM
Quote from: LoneHowler on February 01, 2016, 03:13:35 AM
Twins?
Edit: Check Biggs character page. It did hint at this under his history

Actually, Biggs is the little bro (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_089.php).
Title: Re: 2016/01/25 [DMFA #1640] Burning Bridget
Post by: Merlin on February 01, 2016, 06:12:54 PM
Quote from: tikitori on February 01, 2016, 05:35:43 PM
Quote from: LoneHowler on February 01, 2016, 03:13:35 AM
Twins?
Edit: Check Biggs character page. It did hint at this under his history

Actually, Biggs is the little bro (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_089.php).


Well sure, but twins aren't born at exactly the same time. I call my twin "little bro"
Title: Re: 2016/02/01 [DMFA #1640] Burning Bridget
Post by: Eboreg on February 01, 2016, 06:16:36 PM
Maybe being a woman would have created problems for gaining control of the Twinks?
Title: Re: 2016/01/25 [DMFA #1640] Burning Bridget
Post by: Jasonrevall on February 01, 2016, 06:25:48 PM
Quote from: Merlin on February 01, 2016, 06:12:54 PM
Quote from: tikitori on February 01, 2016, 05:35:43 PM
Quote from: LoneHowler on February 01, 2016, 03:13:35 AM
Twins?
Edit: Check Biggs character page. It did hint at this under his history

Actually, Biggs is the little bro (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_089.php).


Well sure, but twins aren't born at exactly the same time. I call my twin "little bro"

Yeah it's actually very common. My dad calls his identical twin brother little brother.
Title: Re: 2016/02/01 [DMFA #1640] Burning Bridget
Post by: Tapewolf on February 01, 2016, 06:32:16 PM
Quote from: Eboreg on February 01, 2016, 06:16:36 PM
Maybe being a woman would have created problems for gaining control of the Twinks?

It's worth noting that Wildy is due to be married off (see p.1169-70).  Since there doesn't seem to be a Mrs. Biggs (is there?), it's quite possible that it's only the females that get married off.  While getting your DNA reset as a male is a bit extreme, it might help tip the balance...
Title: Re: 2016/02/01 [DMFA #1640] Burning Bridget
Post by: HaDDea on February 01, 2016, 07:11:14 PM
Heh, turnabout is fair play, Biggs. And it seems there's still something of an old torch still burning for Dan, too? Oh dear.

I can see how having that little chestnut revealed might upset the B-ster's delicate control over the Twink territories. Reactions would be varied and possibly disastrous, depending on how the Twink Culture works.   

One thing I want to know: what on earth did Biggs/Bridget do to Dan to actually piss him off enough to theoretically rethink kicking a person into a wall at a later date??? 'Cause we've seen how Wildy treated Dan and they're still friends.
Title: Re: 2016/02/01 [DMFA #1640] Burning Bridget
Post by: Turnsky on February 01, 2016, 07:48:41 PM
Huh... not much of a startling revelation to be honest, more of a "huh", and let's face it, this is still the same biggs who thought Dan was a girl in that robe back in the maiden caper.

seriously folks it's not even remotely "shock horror" these days.. and it's a world loaded with magic, shapeshifters, and tight leather pants.

I'm fairly sure transitioning is far less of a big deal over in furrae than a lot of you macguffins are making it out to be. =p
Title: Re: 2016/02/01 [DMFA #1640] Burning Bridget
Post by: Rambon on February 01, 2016, 08:15:37 PM
Quote from: HaDDea on February 01, 2016, 07:11:14 PM
One thing I want to know: what on earth did Biggs/Bridget do to Dan to actually piss him off enough to theoretically rethink kicking a person into a wall at a later date??? 'Cause we've seen how Wildy treated Dan and they're still friends.

This (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_086.php)
Title: Re: 2016/02/01 [DMFA #1640] Burning Bridget
Post by: Kalatash on February 01, 2016, 08:53:20 PM
Whelp, that was a twist. Nice to see Biggs being on the receiving end of an information exchange. Though I still want Destania to be hit in the face with a hammer.
Title: Re: 2016/02/01 [DMFA #1640] Burning Bridget
Post by: Lying Foo on February 02, 2016, 12:42:50 AM
Huh.  Biggs is trans?  Interesting.

Then again, Jyrras's phrasing, plus the fact that this is a fantasy setting, makes me wonder if he might instead have been the victim of some magical mishap... but "trans" still seems more likely.
Title: Re: 2016/02/01 [DMFA #1640] Burning Bridget
Post by: Shadowdancer on February 02, 2016, 02:39:05 AM
I think Tapewolf's idea is the most likely.

Quote from: Tapewolf on February 01, 2016, 06:32:16 PM

It's worth noting that Wildy is due to be married off (see p.1169-70).  Since there doesn't seem to be a Mrs. Biggs (is there?), it's quite possible that it's only the females that get married off.  While getting your DNA reset as a male is a bit extreme, it might help tip the balance...

The situation being avoided is highly likely. Also, it would also stand to reason that Bridget faked her own death, or simply vanished, mainly to get out of said situation, and hence doesn't want anyone finding out. After all, if the groom-to-be was sufficiently loaded, they could force Biggs to change back.
Title: Re: 2016/02/01 [DMFA #1640] Burning Bridget
Post by: Cassi-kun on February 02, 2016, 02:42:51 AM
Quote from: Shadowdancer on February 02, 2016, 02:39:05 AM
I think Tapewolf's idea is the most likely.

Quote from: Tapewolf on February 01, 2016, 06:32:16 PM

It's worth noting that Wildy is due to be married off (see p.1169-70).  Since there doesn't seem to be a Mrs. Biggs (is there?), it's quite possible that it's only the females that get married off.  While getting your DNA reset as a male is a bit extreme, it might help tip the balance...

The situation being avoided is highly likely. Also, it would also stand to reason that Bridget faked her own death, or simply vanished, mainly to get out of said situation, and hence doesn't want anyone finding out. After all, if the groom-to-be was sufficiently loaded, they could force Biggs to change back.
I dunno, that may be a slap in the face to the mythos who did it - to work so hard and then have SOMEONE ELSE say "you need to undo it."
Title: Re: 2016/02/01 [DMFA #1640] Burning Bridget
Post by: Tapewolf on February 02, 2016, 03:45:29 AM
Quote from: Shadowdancer on February 02, 2016, 02:39:05 AM
I think Tapewolf's idea is the most likely.

Again, given the inherent risk and IIRC they won't even do this kind of thing until you've been through a slew of counselling about it, I'm not sure he'd change sex simply to come out on top in a patriarchy.  The "I'm in the wrong body" scenario seems more likely.   But it might well have helped.
Title: Re: 2016/02/01 [DMFA #1640] Bases Touched
Post by: Shadowdancer on February 02, 2016, 05:03:20 AM
Perhaps, but what is the attitude towards marriage in furrae? Does it have the traditional seriousness of a few hundred years ago, or is it the more modern version where divorce doesn't make you a complete social outcast?

It would also depend heavily on who Bridget had been betrothed to.

Also, if Bridget had a crush on Dan, I'm not sure there is a right body given the current state-of-play. It's more like Biggs would need a few of Jycorp's bracelets.

I did entertain the idea of it being necessary to become twink leader, but I imagine sexism is less of an issue when gender has little influence on how well said person is at incineration.

Kria did mention the next phase has started. It doesn't mean it's the last one yet, but I think they are here to try and get Jy to build the bomb/gun/whatever Mab was referring to when quizzed about zero-magic engineering.
Title: Re: 2016/02/01 [DMFA #1640] Bases Touched
Post by: Tapewolf on February 02, 2016, 05:57:56 AM
Quote from: Shadowdancer on February 02, 2016, 05:03:20 AM
Perhaps, but what is the attitude towards marriage in furrae? Does it have the traditional seriousness of a few hundred years ago, or is it the more modern version where divorce doesn't make you a complete social outcast?

I think that's too large a question to answer.  Clearly it is not homogenous since Dan thought the arranged marriage thing was strange.
Title: Re: 2016/02/01 [DMFA #1640] Bases Touched
Post by: DarkwingDude on February 02, 2016, 08:44:28 AM
Can we start calling him Biggs Jenner now?  :)
Title: Re: 2016/02/01 [DMFA #1640] Bases Touched
Post by: Turnsky on February 02, 2016, 08:57:41 AM
Quote from: DarkwingDude on February 02, 2016, 08:44:28 AM
Can we start calling him Biggs Jenner now?  :)

Can we call you Spanky, then?
Title: Re: 2016/02/01 [DMFA #1640] Bases Touched
Post by: Keleth on February 02, 2016, 09:00:32 AM
Quote from: Turnsky on February 02, 2016, 08:57:41 AM
Quote from: DarkwingDude on February 02, 2016, 08:44:28 AM
Can we start calling him Biggs Jenner now?  :)

Can we call you Spanky, then?

His name is now Blast Hardcheese
Title: Re: 2016/02/01 [DMFA #1640] Bases Touched
Post by: Turnsky on February 02, 2016, 09:01:11 AM
Quote from: Keleth on February 02, 2016, 09:00:32 AM
Quote from: Turnsky on February 02, 2016, 08:57:41 AM
Quote from: DarkwingDude on February 02, 2016, 08:44:28 AM
Can we start calling him Biggs Jenner now?  :)

Can we call you Spanky, then?

His name is now Blast Hardcheese

Beef Slabchest!
Title: Re: 2016/02/01 [DMFA #1640] Bases Touched
Post by: DarkwingDude on February 02, 2016, 09:15:15 AM
Quote from: Turnsky on February 02, 2016, 09:01:11 AM
Quote from: Keleth on February 02, 2016, 09:00:32 AM
Quote from: Turnsky on February 02, 2016, 08:57:41 AM
Quote from: DarkwingDude on February 02, 2016, 08:44:28 AM
Can we start calling him Biggs Jenner now?  :)

Can we call you Spanky, then?

His name is now Blast Hardcheese

Beef Slabchest!

I just wish that I had Jesse's girrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrl!
Title: Re: 2016/02/01 [DMFA #1640] Bases Touched
Post by: Turnsky on February 02, 2016, 09:20:57 AM
Quote from: DarkwingDude on February 02, 2016, 09:15:15 AM
Quote from: Turnsky on February 02, 2016, 09:01:11 AM
Quote from: Keleth on February 02, 2016, 09:00:32 AM
Quote from: Turnsky on February 02, 2016, 08:57:41 AM
Quote from: DarkwingDude on February 02, 2016, 08:44:28 AM
Can we start calling him Biggs Jenner now?  :)

Can we call you Spanky, then?

His name is now Blast Hardcheese

Beef Slabchest!

I just wish that I had Jesse's girrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrl!

Yes, Butch Deadlift~
Title: Re: 2016/02/01 [DMFA #1640] Burning Bridget
Post by: Scow2 on February 02, 2016, 02:12:58 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on February 01, 2016, 06:32:16 PM
Quote from: Eboreg on February 01, 2016, 06:16:36 PM
Maybe being a woman would have created problems for gaining control of the Twinks?

It's worth noting that Wildy is due to be married off (see p.1169-70).  Since there doesn't seem to be a Mrs. Biggs (is there?), it's quite possible that it's only the females that get married off.  While getting your DNA reset as a male is a bit extreme, it might help tip the balance...
It seems to me that both the males and females get "married off" by their families. But we know for sure that the females are the ones that get to choose, at least out of the available candidates. If it's anything like real-world precedent, the males don't have a say in the matter, and if they're completely undesirable, they're shipped off to the first cause to get them killed (Usually the army).
Title: Re: 2016/02/01 [DMFA #1640] Bases Touched
Post by: Amber Williams on February 02, 2016, 02:52:00 PM
I cannot deny that there is always a bit of nervousness when it comes to revealing a very personal aspect of a character.  I think ultimately my biggest worries were that some folks would assume it was done as a means of pandering, or heaven forbid that it was being added as a means to suddenly make an unlikable character more sympathetic and likable.  Which goodness I hope that isn't the case...if anyone thinks Biggs is a sleazy weasel (both figuratively and literally) then hopefully their impression of Biggs hasn't changed with this reveal.  Cause while ultimately this is a facet of Biggs as a character...it was never meant to be his definition as a character.  Even if an emerald gets a new side, it is still an emerald.  And Biggs is still the same smarmy troublemaker that he was two updates ago. 

As some folks have likely pieced together, Biggs is the younger twin of Wildy (by about half an hour. More than enough for the average twin to declare themselves the big sibling if my experience with twins is anything to go by).    Biggs was also part of Wildy, Dan, and even Mab's (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1514.php) childhood. (Though the real question could be what order did they all become friends)  Which meant that when Jyrras became Dan's friend, Biggs was likely an individual in Jyrras' childood.  It's also mentioned that Wildy and Biggs mom died and Biggs was exiled within a short time-span of one another (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1170.php).  Or as Biggs may put it...  "It was a difficult time for me" (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1637.php).    The exact details are still vague, but one would get that's likely due to storytelling build.  (And now I imagine even more folks are like "Dangit I wish Regina won the backstory war!")  I will say that those events took place before Biggs rose up as the leader of the twink territories. 

At the end of the day, Biggs is very much Biggs. Leader of the twink territories, plotter and schemer and probably up to no good (or maybe more good than one expects) and even more likely to keep his true feelings and intentions well guarded. 
Title: Re: 2016/02/01 [DMFA #1640] Bases Touched
Post by: Keleth on February 02, 2016, 03:05:04 PM
Bigg's reveal had me go "Huh, well that's interesting"

And then I was back to wondering what the evil plan is :P

It didn't change how I see the character, so much as reveal that background aspect.
No big suprise, no big shock, they are who they are, and the story will proceed~
Title: Re: 2016/02/01 [DMFA #1640] Bases Touched
Post by: TFSKnight on February 02, 2016, 05:33:41 PM
..... if some ever tells dan, his poor brain is going to Impode....
Title: Re: 2016/02/01 [DMFA #1640] Bases Touched
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on February 02, 2016, 06:47:41 PM
Quote from: Jasonrevall on February 01, 2016, 04:36:46 PM
Also maybe some of us want to believe he is trans its just as valid as any other theory. You don't need to shoot it down so hard. If you have your own theory we'll happily hear it. No need to be hostile to other theories.

Easy, easy. Perhaps ease back a little, there.

I don't read this as shutting down options hard. Heck, I read it as providing more options. And sure, everyone gets their own preference until Ambaargh lets us know what's actually the case. And sure, Biggs being trans is the most likely option (even before Ambaargh weighed in again, although you'll note, please, that she still hasn't said specifically, even in her heavily hinting post just a few up from this - sneaky one that she is) - but it's not the only one.

This forum has always been about madly going nuts with ideas, at least in my opinion. Let's not get snotty with each other for having different ones, hey?

Good chat. Carry on...
Title: Re: 2016/02/01 [DMFA #1640] Bases Touched
Post by: Jasonrevall on February 02, 2016, 07:54:27 PM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on February 02, 2016, 06:47:41 PM
Quote from: Jasonrevall on February 01, 2016, 04:36:46 PM
Also maybe some of us want to believe he is trans its just as valid as any other theory. You don't need to shoot it down so hard. If you have your own theory we'll happily hear it. No need to be hostile to other theories.

Easy, easy. Perhaps ease back a little, there.

I don't read this as shutting down options hard. Heck, I read it as providing more options. And sure, everyone gets their own preference until Ambaargh lets us know what's actually the case. And sure, Biggs being trans is the most likely option (even before Ambaargh weighed in again, although you'll note, please, that she still hasn't said specifically, even in her heavily hinting post just a few up from this - sneaky one that she is) - but it's not the only one.

This forum has always been about madly going nuts with ideas, at least in my opinion. Let's not get snotty with each other for having different ones, hey?

Good chat. Carry on...

He said that "everyone" was saying that it was he wanted to be male and it was mostly 2 people openly and some of my friends. I just meant that theres no need to single that one argument out as being less plausible than another especially when he really didn't have a counter other than quick throw away possibilities to add other than to point out that we could be wrong. No need to call someone snotty for it.

I also never really intended to go farther than my first comment but after Puyon commented I just felt like saying a bit more. Didn't mean for this to cause grief.
Title: Re: 2016/02/01 [DMFA #1640] Bases Touched
Post by: Puyon on February 02, 2016, 09:59:47 PM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on February 02, 2016, 06:47:41 PM
And sure, Biggs being trans is the most likely option (even before Ambaargh weighed in again, although you'll note, please, that she still hasn't said specifically, even in her heavily hinting post just a few up from this - sneaky one that she is) - but it's not the only one.

Welp. Didn't think I'd have to do it like this...

Here is Amber on Twitter using the exact sequence of words 'Biggs is trans': https://www.twitter.com/Ambaaargh/status/694201695010754564

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Title: Re: 2016/02/01 [DMFA #1640] Bases Touched
Post by: Jasonrevall on February 02, 2016, 11:32:55 PM
Quote from: Puyon on February 02, 2016, 09:59:47 PM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on February 02, 2016, 06:47:41 PM
And sure, Biggs being trans is the most likely option (even before Ambaargh weighed in again, although you'll note, please, that she still hasn't said specifically, even in her heavily hinting post just a few up from this - sneaky one that she is) - but it's not the only one.

Welp. Didn't think I'd have to do it like this...

Here is Amber on Twitter using the exact sequence of words 'Biggs is trans': https://www.twitter.com/Ambaaargh/status/694201695010754564

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Thank you very much for sharing that. I'm glad that you brought in that clarification I wasn't sure what else I could say at this point.
Title: Re: 2016/02/01 [DMFA #1640] Bases Touched
Post by: Shadowdancer on February 03, 2016, 02:59:50 PM
Quote from: Jasonrevall on February 02, 2016, 11:32:55 PM
Thank you very much for sharing that. I'm glad that you brought in that clarification I wasn't sure what else I could say at this point.

But... but I wasn't finished jumping to conclusions yet!  :mowsad
Title: Re: 2016/02/01 [DMFA #1640] Bases Touched
Post by: D'ymkarra on February 04, 2016, 05:13:33 AM
Quote from: Jasonrevall on February 02, 2016, 11:32:55 PM
Quote from: Puyon on February 02, 2016, 09:59:47 PM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on February 02, 2016, 06:47:41 PM
And sure, Biggs being trans is the most likely option (even before Ambaargh weighed in again, although you'll note, please, that she still hasn't said specifically, even in her heavily hinting post just a few up from this - sneaky one that she is) - but it's not the only one.

Welp. Didn't think I'd have to do it like this...

Here is Amber on Twitter using the exact sequence of words 'Biggs is trans': https://www.twitter.com/Ambaaargh/status/694201695010754564

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Thank you very much for sharing that. I'm glad that you brought in that clarification I wasn't sure what else I could say at this point.

Apparently Twitter is becoming like Facebook, showing only bits and pieces of what friends post; Even if I scroll back manually her tweet doesn't show up. Tenkyu for the link.. :)
Title: Re: 2016/02/01 [DMFA #1640] Bases Touched
Post by: Sofox on February 05, 2016, 09:48:19 AM
D'ymkarra, from what I understand, if the person replies directly to another user, you'll only see that tweet in your timeline if you follow that user too. For instance, with this Amber tweet, you'd only have seen it in your timeline if you followed @TheOtherDibbler. The idea is that people are only interested in a conversation between two Twitter users if they follow both people (which of course isn't necessarily true). On the other hand, it does prevent long back and forths appearing on your twitter between people you're interested in and complete strangers.

Now, some people get around this by "dot replying", where they put a full stop at the start of their post. Instead of "@TheOtherDibbler I shall " it is ".@TheOtherDibbler I shall ". This means that even though the tweet is a reply, everyone following the original poster can see it. This is a conscious act on behalf of the poster, so it's kinda like speaking up loudly in the middle of the conversation if there may be people in the vicinity are interested in hearing. Certain people use it maliciously too to "sic" their followers on someone who they may be arguing with, but you need several factors to be in play before you're able to pull that off (not that you should want to, in fact, it's a pretty terrible thing to do).
Title: Re: 2016/02/01 [DMFA #1640] Bases Touched
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on February 05, 2016, 04:22:54 PM
Quote from: Shadowdancer on February 03, 2016, 02:59:50 PM
Quote from: Jasonrevall on February 02, 2016, 11:32:55 PM
Thank you very much for sharing that. I'm glad that you brought in that clarification I wasn't sure what else I could say at this point.

But... but I wasn't finished jumping to conclusions yet!  :mowsad

Me, either. ;-]
Title: Re: 2016/02/01 [DMFA #1640] Bases Touched
Post by: ArchTeryx on February 05, 2016, 09:16:35 PM
Quote from: Amber Williams on February 02, 2016, 02:52:00 PM
I cannot deny that there is always a bit of nervousness when it comes to revealing a very personal aspect of a character.  I think ultimately my biggest worries were that some folks would assume it was done as a means of pandering, or heaven forbid that it was being added as a means to suddenly make an unlikable character more sympathetic and likable.  Which goodness I hope that isn't the case...if anyone thinks Biggs is a sleazy weasel (both figuratively and literally) then hopefully their impression of Biggs hasn't changed with this reveal.  Cause while ultimately this is a facet of Biggs as a character...it was never meant to be his definition as a character.  Even if an emerald gets a new side, it is still an emerald.  And Biggs is still the same smarmy troublemaker that he was two updates ago.

There's quite a bit of Real World evidence for this.  My fiancee's insane landlord recently transitioned to being a landlady, and continues to plague her existence.  She's been tempted to label *all* transgenders as insane, selfish buggers, and I keep telling her: He was a self-centered idiot as a man, and she is a self-centered idiot as a woman.  The gender may have changed, but the core person changed not one whit.  Being transgender had nothing to do with it.
Title: Re: 2016/02/01 [DMFA #1640] Bases Touched
Post by: D'ymkarra on February 06, 2016, 04:13:56 AM
Quote from: Sofox on February 05, 2016, 09:48:19 AM
D'ymkarra, from what I understand, if the person replies directly to another user, you'll only see that tweet in your timeline if you follow that user too. For instance, with this Amber tweet, you'd only have seen it in your timeline if you followed @TheOtherDibbler. The idea is that people are only interested in a conversation between two Twitter users if they follow both people (which of course isn't necessarily true). On the other hand, it does prevent long back and forths appearing on your twitter between people you're interested in and complete strangers.

Now, some people get around this by "dot replying", where they put a full stop at the start of their post. Instead of "@TheOtherDibbler I shall " it is ".@TheOtherDibbler I shall ". This means that even though the tweet is a reply, everyone following the original poster can see it. This is a conscious act on behalf of the poster, so it's kinda like speaking up loudly in the middle of the conversation if there may be people in the vicinity are interested in hearing. Certain people use it maliciously too to "sic" their followers on someone who they may be arguing with, but you need several factors to be in play before you're able to pull that off (not that you should want to, in fact, it's a pretty terrible thing to do).

Unless the other person's tweets are protected or they have you blocked, you should be able to see both sides of the conversation; Twitter has done the same with friends' timelines where all parties involved were mutual followers..
Title: Re: 2016/02/01 [DMFA #1640] Bases Touched
Post by: Lying Foo on February 06, 2016, 04:30:41 AM
You can see it, but you have to click "view conversation" or "tweets and replies."  It won't show up in your timeline.
Title: Re: 2016/02/01 [DMFA #1640] Bases Touched
Post by: Nightmask on February 13, 2016, 03:05:24 AM
The impression I get comes off more that Biggs was born male but raised as a girl by his mother for some reason for why he so pointedly hides his past.  Obviously a minority impression but the one I got in reading things.